Horsepower vs Hollywood: Car Nerds Drag Race Movie Buffs in Break/Fix Crossover

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• Gone in 60 Seconds
• Vanishing Point
• The Italian Job
• Get Carter
• Death Race
• Herbie
• The Fast and the Furious

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Steve & Izzy: Yeah. Hey everybody. I’m Steve. And I’m Izzy. And we’re with everything I learned from Movies and Tonight. Oh, too Nice.

We’re talking car movies with break fix. Woo.

Crew Chief Brad: That’s right. Tonight. Tonight. Tonight in one of the ultimate No Prep Showdowns of the year, we attempt to pit original versus remake in a best of car

Steve & Izzy: adjacent movies. Drag Race. That’s right and the movie Buffs. Steve and Izzy, from everything I learned from movies, are joining us tonight on this Car [00:01:00] Nerds versus Movie Buffs Break Fix crossover episode.

So why do we get this drag race started? Wait, we’re not racing for pinks, are we? I’m not sure that’s up to them. Look, I got a lot to put on the line here. I drive a 96 Honda Accord and I’m sorry. I’m very sorry for you. I got some hot wheels. Oh, I just found my micro machine. So yeah, there we go. Uh, I can talk almost as fast as the micro machines guy.

I’m getting close these days. You know, it’s the Red Bull really doesn’t talk that sometimes you can talk really, really fast, especially if you’ve had a couple of good drinks. But yeah. So let’s hit the stage a little bit. Let’s hit the rules, just like our, what should I buy episodes. I think this one deserves a little bit of context for our listeners.

Just like in the car world, the movie world is often debated, you know, new versus old, is Star Wars episode one just as good as a new hope or, you know, vice versa? The answer is. Yeah, maybe, but in some cases, absolutely not. The rule of sequels comes into play. The Joel Shoe micro versions of Batman were terrible, and [00:02:00] we all know that the Tim Burton ones are fantastic.

I’m just gonna leave it at that. That being said, cars are also remade over and over again and their original image and sometimes, you know, morphed into something completely reimagined. But they’re always sequels. So are they better? And so let’s try to answer those questions about car related movies and whether they are better.

And let’s talk about the cars that are featured in those films. Steven? Izzy, why don’t you kick us off? What do you wanna talk about first? Look, if you guys are gonna sit around here and justify the Bronco two, I’m out.

Crew Chief Brad: No, but I wanna correct Eric on something. These aren’t sequels to the original movies.

These are remakes.

Steve & Izzy: This is like a new Thunderbird, I mean. Yeah, well, we’ll talk about it. You guys heard our, uh, gone in 60 seconds episodes, kind of how we were introduced. Uh, absolutely. Let’s, let’s start with the old versus new for Gone in 60 seconds.

Crew Chief Eric: Absolutely. And we too did a movie Mixed Bag episode where we talked about the original Gone in 60 Seconds and [00:03:00] that movie

Crew Chief Brad: Trash,

Steve & Izzy: it’s tragic.

It really is. I mean, it’s, it’s akin to the Red Death, holy crap. Right. The DMV safety videos they used to show you in like the eighties and stuff like this might happen to you if you don’t wear your seatbelt.

Crew Chief Brad: That that movie is, if GTM members. Had an unlimited budget and said, Hey, let’s make a movie.

Steve & Izzy: And by and unlimited you mean 20 grand and a six pack and about

Crew Chief Brad: 15 Mustangs.

Steve & Izzy: Hell yeah. Yeah. True. Well, but but but it was back in the seventies so you could get ’em for like $2,000. That’s true. And legend has it according to our researcher. Right. We always have to fact check some of the stuff we do. There was only one Mustang used in that movie. It’s the same pile of crap through that entire 90 minutes.

Yeah. Oh wow. Even Dukes of Hazard had a couple spares. They had like 79 chargers they use over the course of that show. Yeah, and there’s another one to talk about remakes and sequels there too. The Duke’s a hazard. Oh, Jessica Simpson [00:04:00] Hutch and, oh God. Oh, that was terrible. Its Snoop Dog was Huggy Bears when Thirsty Met Hutch.

So let’s reference for those that don’t know, the 1970s classic. Gone in 60 seconds. HB Helleck used a 74 Mustang, which actually wasn’t a Mach one, but he modified to look like one, which was the hot ticket upgrade package for the Mustang at that time. And he did all his own stunts, much like Jackie Chan, Jason Statham, and Tom Cruise.

But it didn’t turn out so well for Eleanor at the end of the movie. As you guys, you know, kind of walked that through for the audience. And most people can’t stand to make it through that film. But when gone in 60 Seconds with Nicholas Cage came out, I think they just. Turned the whole thing on its nose.

67 GT 500 Mustang. Where’d that come from? I mean, Eleanor, the original one wasn’t one of those. Does that make it better? Does it make it worse? I don’t know if the acting was any better in the second movie. What about you? Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Academy Award winner, Nicholas Cage [00:05:00] as Memphis Range. We almost named our cats after that character.

He said, we, Cameron and Poe, you know. But did Nicholas Cage come into himself yet at that point, compared to other movies? Just after the Rock and Con Air and Face Off and, oh, yeah. Leaving Las Vegas, which he won an Academy award for. Yeah, yeah. This, this was before, you know, the, the divorces downturn, the, yeah, the divorces of the team.

This was his heyday. Yeah, this is Peak Nicholas Cage. Action star. You kidding me? This is like the end of the peak. This is like National Treasure Nicholas Cage.

Crew Chief Brad: This is how he earned all his money to buy all those castles and shit.

Steve & Izzy: Yeah. I mean Rex T-Rex skull and Yeah. And, and various wives from other nations and Yeah.

And I hear the Ferrari in National Treasure was his too. So a little bit of millionaire trivia there. Yeah.

Crew Chief Brad: Before the bill collectors took it

Steve & Izzy: and the, uh, it was, and the pyramid that he purchased for the uh, the sequel that didn’t get made. Oh yeah. National Treasure three St. Louis Cathedral number one.[00:06:00]

Check it out. You know, I would’ve watched that movie ’cause I was a big fan of the first two. So, Hey, I am just saying hate everybody. I’d still watch it. I should probably let the listeners at home know that, uh. Nicholas Cage is the, probably the patron saint of our podcast. We have interviewed his brother, a bunch of his directors, his standin.

So we’re coming for you, Nick. We’re kind of circling around his stand in. Actually. He’ll get wind, I think. What exactly are you, what exactly are you circling though? That’s what I want to know. The Nicholas Cage, we’re we’re, I’m sorry. We are orbiting Nicholas Cage and eventually we’re gonna crash through that atmosphere and boom.

Since you’re a satellite or moon around Nicholas Cage, is there a, is there a name for this? Steve, what is the name of our podcast? From movies and all the major pod catchers and follow us at EIL F movies on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. Brilliant. So also Steve’s nickname is Ship Plugger Steve. ’cause you plug Arch anywhere.

That’s right. Nice. Oh, and then I mentioned Patreon [00:07:00] because us $2 a month Anyway.

Crew Chief Brad: But I have to say Nicolas Cage is so desperate right now. I’m surprised that he hasn’t actually called you guys to come on your show.

Steve & Izzy: Look, look. He’s far too busy to be talking to us. Yeah. But uh, here’s the thing. Everybody thinks he’s desperate.

Yeah. Nichols Cage is really at a really interesting point in his career because he’s free to do all these little movies. He’s doing so many characters right now. Free to

Crew Chief Brad: do has to do, oh no,

Steve & Izzy: he is, he’s going through and like choosing wildly different characters and putting a cage spin on him. Like, if you keep watching these, he’s doing some really, really interesting stuff.

And by the way guys, think of it this way. If he were to do, you know, national Treasure three and get $20 million, how much of that does he actually get? Five, how many you’ll compare to his ex-wives and managers? Oh, well, yeah. Yeah. It’s a, it’s like trickle down Reaganomics at that point, you know? Yeah. So he’s like, just getting enough to get by and, you know, the, the tax man or whatever’s like, well, we can’t have this guy living out of a shoebox.

[00:08:00] You know,

Crew Chief Brad: he’s like the, uh, the Hollywood version of Michael Strahan. He had to keep playing in the NFL to appease his ex-wife.

Steve & Izzy: Yeah. Or, or he just goes, wherever Wesley Snipes went after demolition, man, you know, it’ll be okay in 20 years. It’ll be fine. Two steps ahead

Crew Chief Brad: of the tax man. Exactly.

Steve & Izzy: Exactly. Be, but yeah, he’s able to express himself different ways to all these odd things that he wouldn’t be able to do if he was.

I don’t know, playing Nick Fury or something in the Avengers movies or something like that. Yeah, he, he gets to do a lot of different characters. I’m gonna point to a Willy’s Wonder world. Willie’s Wonderland. Yes. Willie’s won Wonderland. That’s it. Or where was Will’s? I dunno. That movie is amazing and he doesn’t say a word.

Crew Chief Eric: I think where he’s peaked though now for me is that, what is it? The history of curse words or whatever he did on Netflix.

Steve & Izzy: Yeah, that was good stuff. That was fantastic. Some best comedy ever. I’d say the first two or three episodes were fantastic, and then it kind of went on. Yeah, and that was not Nick Cage’s fault, that was the writer’s fault.

You could tell where they lost. Steam and we’re just make having fun.

Crew Chief Brad: The whole premise of that show was around fuck. And then they didn’t know what to do after [00:09:00] that. A hundred percent.

Steve & Izzy: Wait, is Dick a bad word we’re gonna talk

Crew Chief Brad: about? Heck

Steve & Izzy: yeah. So going back to this drag race between the, the original guy 60 seconds.

Yeah. Try. Is that

Crew Chief Brad: what we’re doing here,

Steve & Izzy: Memphis? So going back back to the Drag Race, I love RuPaul. What? Yes. But the reason I say is the new one better than the old one? Yes. And is the acting any better in the new one than the old one? Yes. Is, well, I’ll put it this way. The old one didn’t have much in the way of dialogue.

And in those old seventies movies, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. If you’ve ever watched the movie Lamonts by Steve McQueen, there’s about three minutes of acting and talking in a three hour movie, and it’s glorious. And more, more of those old films should be that way. However, when you get to the new Gone in 60 seconds, there’s just some really just.

I wanna say cringey stuff with Giovanni Robi and, uh, you know, what’s her face? Angeline, Angeline, Julie? Yes, but what Sway or whatever her name is. But what [00:10:00] gets me is, is Nick Cage basically acting much like a young William Shatner. Like every time I watch the movie, I’m like, there’s. A car in a C container.

Oh, let’s get it. And you’re just like, come on man. What is this? He’s playing the straight man, the deep one. He’s, he’s lived too much life already. Yeah. They all can’t be, you know, Delroy Lindo and Robert Duval and Hai McBride. Both movies though are very much of their time. Yeah. Like a hundred percent something.

They’re like looking at Gone in 60 Seconds as like a new movie. But that movie’s like 25 years old now. Yeah. It it be what, 2000 I think when it came out. Yeah. There are people listening to this podcast that were born after that movie came out. Did you see the, uh, the road sign on the way into the podcast that says BoomTown Exit now.

Welcome, welcome to Boomer. You’re here,

Crew Chief Brad: BoomTown.

Steve & Izzy: That’s all right. I’m pretty sure we’re geriatric millennials at this point. I thought we were elder millennials. Oh Lord. [00:11:00] Zals. I would say, if we’re gonna put some numbers on this, I’d say off the line, big old burnout, both of ’em hit you in the face right away.

I mean, big clouds of smoke from both movies that get your attention. I think in the eighth mile, they’re pretty much tied in terms of satisfaction and entertainment. But when it comes down to, what did you get outta the movie at the end? My vote is the new one wins and so does the new Eleanor. And for one big reason, nobody has a picture of a 74 mock one Mustang on their bedroom wall.

I think everybody of our generation probably and still has a picture of the GT 500 Eleanor in their garage or in their wall or somewhere in their. Yeah, that’s a good point. Oh yeah. Would you guys agree? I think the new one definitely wins over the old one. Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah, it it’s got like the jokes like it’s very nineties, but it’s a fun nineties.

Yeah, it has like a hacker’s element to it with cars. Exactly. Exactly. I was a certain age when it came out. I’m a hundred percent in

Crew Chief Brad: it [00:12:00] still holds up now though.

Steve & Izzy: I will agree. I mean, both have their place in cinematic history. I mean, the original gone in 60 seconds for everything that went into that movie.

The mass amounts of illegal things they did in that movie. When you really dive into that film, it’s a big wow factor. And we do cover it on that other episode. So, you know, I’m not gonna belabor that point. So I think both of them have their place in history, much like an old Mustang drag racing against a new one.

Right. It’s cool to see them side by side, but I think we gotta move on to another film that’s just as. Awkward.

Crew Chief Brad: But, but, but before we move on, so the, if we’re keeping score, the new movie is up by one and the old movies are down to zero still, right?

Steve & Izzy: Yes.

Crew Chief Brad: Just make sure we keep, keep track of that

Steve & Izzy: and now we’ll continue.

So, vanishing point. Vanishing point. Yeah. The original vanishing point with the 70 Challenger and the naked girl riding a motorcycle. Oh yeah. That shit, that’s pretty hard to beat. I’m not him alive. That movie is amazing. I wanted to be Kowalski and I was born 20 years too late for that. Your [00:13:00] dad was Kowalski though?

Oh yeah. My dad was probably Kowalski at one point. Steve’s dad was a canine cop. Yeah, he had the aviators and the mustache. So picture that movie, but with a dog in the seat. And that was Steve’s dad. So I agree with you, and it’s another one of those seventies films where the amount of dialogue is next to zero.

I mean, how many times does Barry Newman actually talk in that movie? At all, right? Yeah, yeah. The, the, the talking versus nudity in that movie, it’s like, yeah, they’re woke about five minutes and the rest is just, you know, being, and that motorcycle scene can be deleted and it doesn’t take away from the film, but of course not.

But it does add having it in, but it adds much value. But, you know what does really bring it home for me though, is like the, uh, I can’t remember the name of the guy who was the, in the radio booth and was kind of egging him on and giving him all the pointers. Immediately my mind goes to Poodie Tang. Yeah, why love that movie?

Chop the Towel. The other one can what a t [00:14:00] But in the other corner, in, in lane number two is an actual remake of the seventies Vanishing Point with Vigo Mortenson and Jason Priestly. I haven’t seen this one. I can’t seem to like really find it anywhere streaming, but found out about this, uh, like a year or two ago and I was like, holy shit, Vigo did this.

I, I gotta see it. Yeah. I didn’t realize you hadn’t seen that. I

Crew Chief Brad: think this is like that Sinbad Kazam movie that like, it doesn’t exist, but everybody thinks it exists and they’ve seen it.

Steve & Izzy: We all saw that movie. It’s

Crew Chief Brad: legit. Yes, we did. It’s a conspiracy.

Steve & Izzy: So I happen to see this movie and I think I have a copy somewhere.

I gotta go dig it up. And I will say, when the cars pull up to the Christmas tree. It’s the same car. It’s not. Chrysler used this as an excuse to debut the New Challenger because it was too early for that. Right? The new Challenger didn’t come out till the two thousands. So here we are in 1997 and yet another 70 71 Challenger RT in White.

Same thing. It’s the same story. It’s a literal remake. It’s not even a sequel. It’s [00:15:00] not even reimagined. There’s more dialogue. Vigo Mortenson plays a role. It’s, I’m gonna just put it that way. Yeah. But Jason Priestly plays Kowalski in the movie. And if you have, if you’ve seen the original movie, it ends pretty much the same way.

Nothing really earth shattering there. It was just like, Hey, did you guys hear about this film that we did in the seventies? Oh no. Well, here, check this one out. Well, okay, so it sounds like the original’s gonna take this one far off in a way. Like, like, like the other one blows a tire or something off the line.

What about 2000 sixes or six or eight? I forget. Death proof where we get the 70 Challenger. Driven by like Zoe Bell and uh, yeah, uh, Sidney Poitier and all that. The lady Sidney Poitier. I dunno. So if we’re, if we’re gonna do it, if we’re gonna do it as a drag race and we got Kowalski in lane number one, Jason Priest is out.

He just got thrashed. Yeah. This next challenger pulls up in lane number two. [00:16:00] I think it’s another thrashing by the original Challenger from Banishing Point with Kowalski behind the wheel because of the originality of that film, because of its epicness. I mean, it’s got a cult following. Anything else we’d bring to the line with a challenger outside of maybe fasten the Furious.

Six or seven or 12 or 14, however many, however many gear shifts they use on a, in a quarter mile is the only thing that might stand up to it. But I think Kowalski wins every time.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. So going back to death proof real quick, because one, Eric, I think you’re wrong. So is this the Quentin Tarantino double feature death proof?

Yeah.

Steve & Izzy: From the Grindhouse double feature? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Crew Chief Brad: Okay. So, so that one wins for sure because of the story and everything. And I think that movie’s awesome. Honestly, this is an unpopular opinion. I did not like the original vanishing point. I was bored to tears. I fell asleep like two or three times.

Steve & Izzy: Uh, so I’m not gonna lie, I am. Sort of with you entertainment value wise? It’s not the highest, but I respect it the way [00:17:00] that I respect, like Citizen Kane. Yeah. It’s not what I refer to as like a, uh, it’s what I refer to as like a popcorn movie. It’s like, yeah, put it on. I’m gonna watch it. I’m gonna consume it.

I’m gonna enjoy it. But I so appreciate what it did for car movies and the industry and everything. And yeah. The, the second one is sort of like the remake of Psycho. Did we need It? Is it a bad version? No, but did we need it at all? Vigo only plays two characters. He plays stoic and he plays a wooden board that everybody else acts around and he kind of would, wouldn’t morden this one.

I swear I saw a wooden board with the same name at IKEA once. Right.

Crew Chief Brad: Well I have to say we have to times stamp this episode ’cause this is the first time in human history where Banishing Point has been compared to Citizen Kane.

Steve & Izzy: Right. Ah, that’s true. That is a first. Yeah, it’s like eh, you know, it’s like, yeah, I respect Easy Rider, but Torque or Biker Boys is so much [00:18:00] better because it ticket that next level

Crew Chief Brad: biker boys because the new kids

Steve & Izzy: and you know it.

That’s right.

Crew Chief Brad: Death proof wins this race and it’s not even in it.

Steve & Izzy: I think it’s a bracket race and they all come in at the same time because that’s the way it works.

Crew Chief Brad: These, these two Honda Civics are running and then the deaf proof charger

Steve & Izzy: comes barreling past them

Crew Chief Brad: on the highway and laughs as it drives by.

All

Steve & Izzy: right. I’ll give you that. I’ll give you that. Somebody put a blower on that Challenger and that’s why it’s winning compared to the other two. Normally aspirated. 71 Charger rts. All right, let’s go with that.

Crew Chief Brad: With five cylinders

Steve & Izzy: comes outta nowhere, plow race over. Next up to the line in the left lane is Mel Gibson, 1979 Ford Falcon, XBGT from Mad Max and Tom Hardy and Charlize Theron in the 2015 remake of Mad Max Fury Road.

My heart, I love all of them so [00:19:00] much. Yeah. I’m gonna make it even closer. Let’s go Road Warrior versus Fury Road because Okay, the, the original Mad Max 1979. Love the Aussie movies from the seventies. So many great stuff. Yeah, definitely. Just the, an Aus exploitation movie. A hundred percent. Yeah, it, it’s fantastic.

The story of, it’s basically Mel Gibson’s a cop and is it post-apocalyptic or just Outback Australia, where the law really doesn’t mean much. All of the above. Yeah.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. That, that’s just the outback. That’s just how it is even today.

Steve & Izzy: I mean, if you watch Top Gear Australia, it’s like an episode of Mad Max.

Yeah, there we go. But then when we get to Road Warrior, then it’s like, okay, this movie, this, this is a world now. Same car though. Same car. So, okay. And same limp. He’s got the same limp. It is. He’s doing a stanky leg. And then Fury Roads just probably the best movie I’ve seen in 10 years easily. Steve, who was my favorite character when we came out of watching Fury Road.

Oh, the war rig. It was the war rig. The war rig, absolutely. [00:20:00] That truck is phenomenal. Da.

The thing that gets me about that though is they would’ve been the bad guy cars in the original Mad Max trilogy. Yeah. We’re pulling up to the line with basically an armored truck or a tank against this Ford from Australia. So how do we compare that, right? Because I guess the equivalent obstruction bur Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Mad Max demo derby. Remind me, how did the cars end up, didn’t it get destroyed in Fury Road? The Warrick? Uh, yeah, no, the, the Falcon or, uh, well the Falcon survived two and a half movies, right? ’cause it was there at the beginning of Thunderdome Thunderdome and then he a abandons it. So I would say longevity wise, it lasted longer than the, uh, the war wagons and all that kind stuff.

What happened to those vehicles? Inferior. I’m trying. Remember the war rig? Oh, they blow it up. No. Yeah, that’s right. The, uh, the, in the beginning or whatever, the wild boys or whatever. Catch up to ’em and take him to the prison, [00:21:00] wherever. I assume they dismantled it or something, or not, you know, at the, the end of the movie, remember they sacrifice it to get away.

Oh shit. That’s right. That’s the one that blows up at the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like, I legit almost cried. Yeah, that’s right. That wonderful 3D moment where he got like the steering wheel coming at the screen and my, because my husband leaned over and was like, they always kill your favorite character.

That’s awesome. So Brad, let’s, let’s think about that. Is that a forfeit on the part of the new movie because the vehicle didn’t survive?

Crew Chief Brad: I guess we’re not lumping in all, like the trilogy, the Mad Max trilogy, just the first movie. Technically, or the second movie,

Steve & Izzy: road Warrior is the second movie.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. Okay.

Because, because if we’re throwing in Thunderdome, then it’s like Schrodinger’s cat. We don’t know if the car survived or not.

Steve & Izzy: So we bring in the Gyro captain. Yeah, the gyro cop. I mean, I think at the race world, the Falcon wins. There’s the coolness factor there, the the cult classic side of it from just the car perspective.

I’m sorry. The war rig doesn’t have a coolness [00:22:00] factor. No. You know why? Because Eric Bana makes the Falcon super cool when you watch the movie Love the Beast because he owns one of those XB gts and that just brings the, the wow factor to like 11.

Crew Chief Brad: But Charise Theone actually owns a war. A war rig.

Steve & Izzy: If we’re going by coolness.

Wouldn’t the real winner be the guy with the flame thrower guitar and the speakers behind him? Yes.

Crew Chief Brad: Yes.

Steve & Izzy: Yeah, that’s true.

Crew Chief Brad: Giant speaker truck, that guy. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Steve & Izzy: Guitar G wins for coolness.

And see, I say that and you all know exactly who I’m talking about. Yeah. And then that same character ended up in that Jack Black video game that was all about like death metal. And they had vehicles like that. How do we run this race? Which is better. Well, I mean, the war rig gets its Academy Award nomination ’cause she sacrifices herself to save the others.

So that’s true. Best supporting actress. Best actor. Supporting actor. Yeah. But as movies go, they both, again, kind of have [00:23:00] their place in history in a way. Because yeah, that that whole Mad Max trilogy had been untouched. And then we know that Mel Gibson became persona non grata. In Hollywood, like a lot of other people recently, and then they decided to redo it.

It was a big wow factor there. So I’m wondering if maybe this is a draw. We’ll say they’re in different race classes or something, so Yeah. Yeah. It’s, yeah,

Crew Chief Brad: the wind has to go to the original because people still talk about the original people don’t talk about Fury Road unless you bring up Fury Road. Um,

Steve & Izzy: that’s a valid point.

I bring it up every week. No, I was gonna say, somebody doesn’t listen to very many movie podcasts or some, and somebody definitely didn’t go to Comic-Con, you know, in the befall full time because there is tons of fur fan art out there.

Crew Chief Brad: Are there a lot of war rig, uh, cosplays out there? Oh, that’d be great.

Steve & Izzy: Oh my God. I would, that’s new Conga line. I mean, we have, we, we have Mad Max Furry Roads. Featuring osa. Whoa, that’s a

Crew Chief Brad: different con.

Steve & Izzy: [00:24:00] On, on our wall. It is. Mad Max’s cats with the war rig in the background. And next to that is our artwork. Clever Wives, where it’s the war rig and all the wives have been replaced with Velociraptors.

So they talk about Fury Road all the time. Yes. The rest of the world is like, what? Yeah, we and the cool cats talk about fear ruin nonstop, but no, so I’m thinking, I, I, I don’t know. I we gotta, we gotta figure this out. I’m, I’m feeling like two points to the vintage Lane One and maybe one point to Lane two right now.

Like the old movies are winning and we’re competitive. We like to keep score.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. Well, if Vanishing Point didn’t win old or new, I mean that Death Proof won that races, but Death

Steve & Izzy: Proof is considered new. So we’re putting that in lane two. Right. So that’s one point for new, since we brought up the Majestics, Charlize Theron, why don’t we just slip right into the dms?

Love the Italians job. Woo. I love these movies. Yeah, they’re both pretty [00:25:00] good. Michael Kain and Marky Mark Marky. Marky the fucking Mo. And I’ve said it before and I said it on the episode with Brian, I was like, I have a soft spot for Michael Kane and it’s gonna be one of those soul crushing moments when we get that notice that says, you know, Michael Kane has, has left us.

Right. And, and that I had that same moment when Ron Williams passed and a couple other people. And I’m just like, oh God. Yeah, exactly. And you’re just like, oh, it’s like, it’s just, it’s earth shattering. Any Michael Kane movie for me gets mad props. I’m like, I think he’s excellent in everything he’s done. I haven’t seen a bad movie yet.

Even Alfie was, so Jaws revenge is your favorite Jaws movie. Hundred percent. Hundred percent. Anything with Michael Kane? I am on board, so, but the Marky Mark and the funky bunch version of the Italian job With what? Seth Green, Edward Norton, Jason Statham, Mo Death, and whoever that random guy they called Wrench.

That was supposed to help out Handsome Rob. Like who was that dude? Right.

But you know, I [00:26:00] recently rewatched this film and it’s got some definite replay value. Right. It’s a lot of fun. That is a super fun one. It’s a lot like gone in 60 seconds that way. Like maybe even a little more so just ’cause it’s a little more, uh, a little more stylized I guess. I don’t know. It’s of its time.

Yeah. Well, it’s a little bit more James Bond, I feel. It’s got this espionage feel to it versus like your classic Michael Kane film where it’s like, all right guys, here’s the plot. We’re gonna go rob a bank and they rob, they rob a bank and that’s the end of the movie. You know, you’re like, all right, whatever.

Yeah, it’s a lot like Ocean’s 11 kinda. Definitely exactly’s 11 vibes. Yeah. It a heist movie. Yeah. One’s a job movie and one’s a heist movie. That’s true. I did like, and I don’t know if you guys picked up on this, ’cause again, I recently rewatched this with kind of new eyes. All the little hints and little clues and little throwbacks to the original movie.

One of the obvious ones, Charlize comes out in an original mini, which by the way was a classic mini, but a relatively new one. If you look at the [00:27:00] interior, because they built those alongside. Of the next generation minis, right up until the early two thousands and whatnot. Okay. But there was some, also some other hints they talk about, oh, just like we did in the Italian job, you know, referencing, you know, not even just the beginning of the movie with Donald Sutherland and all that kind of stuff, but even the original movie.

But one of ’em that got me, and you gotta pay really close attention. There’s a scene where marking Mark and Seth Green are doing a like surveillance and they’re looking across the street from another building into this guy’s like apartment. And they’re watching it and they’re like, oh yeah, blah, blah, blah.

And all this guy does it. He is like watching TV and on the screen is Michael Kane and you have to see it through the blind. So that’s one of the other little kind of subtle, you know, nods back to the original movie. He’s, yeah. And I thought it was super cool. So it’s full of stuff like that. If you’re really like, kind of nerd out on it, it’s a, it’s a lot of fun.

Nice. Yeah, it is been a while since I’ve seen the original, but we watched the new one. What. A month or two ago. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it’s a lot of fun. I can give it that. Super, super fun. And then in Hobbs and Shaw, they have an [00:28:00] Italian job reference when they go into hiding. And Jason Statham has his, like his burner cars and there’s a mini, and they mention like, yeah, it’s for a job, just a little job.

I will say in the original movie, the heist part of it and the whole, you know, the way they orchestrated the traffic lights and all that kind stuff, it was kind of cool. It was different. It was part of that, just the making of that film. The acting was what it was for the time and it was good. Michael Kane, sir Michael Kane, right?

He always does a great job and I think there’s two big moments. In that film, one is the chase scene itself, you know, through the tubes and they’re rocking the car and doing, you know, running through the buildings and all that was super cool, but it wasn’t overly exaggerated, like the cargo payload that they were moving in, those old Austin minis wasn’t literally 2,700 pounds like they were trying to do in the new movies.

So the realism was a little bit more acceptable, I think in the old film. For me it wasn’t, you still have to suspend disbelief, but it wasn’t like over the top exaggerated. The other big moment in that [00:29:00] film is actually the end of the movie where you know, they’re celebrating and then they, everybody’s cheering and whatever, and then they turn the bus sideways and then they’re hanging off the cliff and they literally leave you in a cliffhanger and you’re like, okay, whatever.

But in the second movie. There’s just so many things where you’re like, uh, really? I know I’ve driven those cars. I’ve instructed in those cars. They can’t do that well, but they talk about how they retrofit ’em. Yeah, yeah. They do the throwaway line. Yeah. Suspension’s been uploaded so we can load the 2,700 pounds.

Yeah. You know, they had that little course. They’ve been, you know, practicing their drifting on and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. We upgraded, steering the suspension on these. They’re not like your regular one. And, and then yeah, basically takes it to the realm of, okay, and now they’re all bat mobiles or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like, I like that trope. That’s why I like the Fast and Furious movies. You have the one throwaway way line, like, don’t worry about it. I modified it and then it’s like, yeah, you have a fucking Batmobile now. And I, I bought a foot it, no, I got magnets. I like that trope in movies.

And I love the trope where one character [00:30:00] doesn’t speak any English and everyone understands them perfectly. Those are two of my favorite tropes in movies. That was in the Fast and Furious too, right? The two dudes with the, the trash truck and I forget which. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which one it is. Uh, like Leo and Bragga or something.

Exactly. Now I will say this, I have to give mad props to the sound engineers in the new movie. One of my major pet peeves with car films is them basically just regurgitating soundtracks from other cars and they don’t mash up. And classically a. A lot of TV and film and I mentioned this on the episode with Brian, they tend to steal the sound of a nine 11, which is extremely distinct.

Flat six has a weird sound. The one thing I gotta give to this movie is they actually used the sounds of a proper mini. You hear the supercharger wine, it’s a four banger. Even the shots from the outside, it’s got that raspiness to it. I’m like, cool. They did it right for a change. It’s not like a Hemi V eight and we’re looking at these little go-karts running around la Yeah, terrible.

It drives me nuts like so I was, I get [00:31:00] mad props Major points to this movie for that. We live on a mountain road and if somebody exhaust or muffler is loose, every car can sound like it’s gotta VE It or Trash Truck, one or the other. Now, I am disappointed that they didn’t make a sequel to this movie, and I had heard rumor.

Of the title. Do you guys remember what that was? The French job? You’ll like it. The Blow job? Yeah. The space job, the Brazilian job. Ooh,

and that’s a Fast and Furious Five. Yeah, fast five. The baseball.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. That’s just the end of Fast and Furious five.

Steve & Izzy: Exactly right. So it all comes full circle. It comes full circle. Jason states finally gotta go to Brazil. I’m thinking we got these two minis at the line revving their motors all, you know, less than 200 horsepower that they make combined.

I think my vote goes to lane number two for the new movie because it’s much more fun as a ton of replay value. You really [00:32:00] have to be into old films to really like the original Italian job and watch a Michael Kane movie on repeat. So I’m thinking my vote goes there. What about you guys? Oh yeah, I’m for the second one.

Again, I, I love the original one and I love that all the Easter eggs are in the remake. Like that makes the remake even better for me. But yeah, the second one. The second one’s just got the high entertainment value. And imagine how fast thoses cars can go once you take all that gold out. Right? You could probably like drive up the side of a building or something, like they’re gonna borrow ’em from the fast and furious universe.

Yeah. Magnets maybe. Yes. To use a drag raising term, I think we could give lane number one, the vintage mini 15 in the kick and that new car is still gonna beat him. Either way. Well, he is got a

Crew Chief Brad: broken axle,

Steve & Izzy: one wheel drive. Mm-hmm. Since we’ve been talking about both Michael Kane and Jason Saham, there’s two movies that are, we’re gonna kind of unpack here, which are also car adjacent movies. I think [00:33:00] I just wanna start with yet another Michael Kane movie. And this one is a little different, but staying with the whole heist idea, gangsters, you know, all that kinda stuff.

And that’s Get Carter, I think this is a lesser known and underappreciated film and a lot of people don’t realize there’s actually a remake of this movie in 2000 with Slice Stallone. So pulling up to the line is both of the Get Carters. Hey guys. I’m gonna be honest, I haven’t seen either. I didn’t know Get Carter was a remake until like three years ago.

Blasphemer Get Carter, like, it’s not like Get Mustang or something. Like I didn’t, all I knew about Get Carter was, yeah, there’s a Stallone movie about it and I think he’s a gangster or something. Like, I completely lost interest as. From the trailer, I had no idea it had anything to do with cars. Okay, hold on, hold on.

I’m gonna nerd out for a moment. Get ready. You guys can come back in 10 minutes, take a pee break, whatever. But the original movie is based on a series of [00:34:00] books, which are excellent. And so they made this original film with Michael Kane and Michael Kane is the good guy, gangster, right? His brother is killed.

It’s tied up into all this kind of stuff and he wants to exact revenge. So he goes on this, you know, 90 minute tirade of going after people and hunting down. Who the killer is and this whole kind of like the prisoner’s way, who is number one and who do you work for? You know, that kind of like, just vibrato, right?

Like all films of that era and especially European films, it ends tragically. So I don’t wanna give away the ending. Put it this way. There are some really interesting car chase scenes in that movie. There’s with some vintage British cars, you got a Sunbeam Alpine, you’ve got a Jaguar xj, and they’re chasing around some stuff in a parking garage.

It’s kind of cool. And then I will spoil this part, spoiler alert that, uh, one of the characters, he knocks her off literally off of a pier and, uh, you know, takes out his revenge by keeping her locked in the trunk as the sunbeam sinks into a, into a lake. The interesting part about the new movie is it kind of took everybody’s by surprise.

Kind of [00:35:00] like, you know, Stallone did Oscar. And you’re like, what, what is this about? It’s like clue, right? But kind of set to a musical, but not Tim, Tim Curry’s in both of the films. And so it’s the same premise. It’s the same story, but it’s, it’s, it’s much grittier, it’s much darker, it’s actually much more graphic and it gets your attention.

But what nails you right away is the soundtrack. And most of the soundtrack is done by like Mint Royale. It’s a lot of like techno and synth wave and stuff like that. And it really draws you in because it’s, the soundtrack is designed to go with the action in the film. But what’s really cool about this, and if you really nerd out on the film, you realize that Michael Kane is in the second movie and he plays the opposite role.

The remake. Right. So that makes it super cool and it makes a tie in back to the original film. Awesome. Car Chase scenes in that movie. Slice Stallone is behind the wheel of a Cadillac, DTS, so it’s a Deville and it’s a Jaguar that he’s being chased after [00:36:00] just like in the original movie. So it’s yet another tieback, yet another throwback to the original film.

And unlike Vanishing Point where it’s like, eh, okay, the acting’s actually really good. The soundtrack is good. It keeps you engaged. I’ve showed it to a bunch of people and they’re like, wow, I didn’t even know this film, like was a thing. And then they get hooked For me, I, I really enjoy this and I think it’s awesome and I can’t recommend it.

You know enough, the new one’s streaming on Hulu, so we’ll definitely have to check that out in uh, yeah, definitely. The old, the old one’s on like Amazon for like four bucks, so. Exactly. But I gonna say, I think we have a third contender that’s gonna pull up since we’ve mentioned Sylvester Stallone. Oh yeah.

And vintage cars. One of our favorite Stallone movies with a spectacular car, Cobra. Oh, I knew you were going there. Mer. With the 50 Mercury Monterey, such a terribly bad good movie. It’s the best movie where the main character cuts cold pizza. Eat pizza with scissors. I mean, it has all the same [00:37:00] tropes as like commando and, and some of those other ones where it’s like, you know, we have to save the damsel and distress, and you’re like, oh God, here we go again.

But it still has that Rambo flare to it, which I guess kept me engaged when I was younger, but rewatching it now. I don’t know. It’s kind of cringey. I could watch Get Carter all day long. I mean, like eyes wide shut, not so wide shut, uh, clockwork Orange style with my eyes, you know, glued open. I, I’d be okay with it.

Crew Chief Brad: I think a Better Stallone car movie is Driven.

Steve & Izzy: Driven, yeah. Oh, Winnie Harland maybe. Can you hear me hitting my head on the table? Not, not the expendables, any of them. I was thinking you were going there, but Cobra was like my gut reaction, but I thought you were gonna go there. ’cause he drives that whole Chevy pickup.

We can’t, we can’t do expendables. They drive motorcycles and planes and that. He’s always got the car at the very beginning and the very end. ’cause he’s gotta bring his personal car in. Oh yeah, that’s right. That truck is super cool. I mean, oh, that truck is so good. I mean, it has more skulls than I usually go for in a vintage vehicle[00:38:00]

that was done by like guys at Gotham Works’ Garage. I think they like, they love that stuff more than me. Like Hood emblem or the gear. And the gear shift. It’s just asking to be pulled over. Right? A hundred percent. I mean, if you can catch it, I mean it’s a profiling for a reason. What do we think, I mean, I know you guys aren’t the experts on this movie, but based on the way I pitched and positioned this, do you think it’s a draw between the two?

Like they’re both worth. Investigating and engaging. We’ll just call it a zero. It’s a no win for either side. Yeah, but they both sound great. I know. I haven’t seen the second one or the, the remake. I genuinely don’t remember if I’ve seen the first one or not. Yeah. Might be one of those like, wait, was that, am I thinking Italian job or am I thinking get Carter or Right.

Or Mr. Brown or Dirty Rotten Sund drills could be anything that’s true. Jaws four phi, you know, whatever. I thought that movie was about an alpha, a male, and I was severely disappointed when I watched it, but, you know, hey, whatever.[00:39:00]

Yeah, I, I would call it a draw. We’re good. So we’re tied Two. Two. New versus old. I’m okay with that. We mentioned Jason Statham, and he’s been in a ton of car movies. I mean, you name dropped Fast and Furious, Hobbes and Shaw. I mean, we gotta say the transporter, especially the original one, right? Oh, yeah.

Expendables. Exactly. I mean, knives are faster than guns. We all know that, right? Yeah. Yeah. They say bring a knife to a gunfight. Duh. That’s a cliche for a reason. One of my favorite scenes in that movie was literally that scene where he is like, let’s go, you know, there’s all these guys, all the terrorists standing around.

They’re like, what are, what are they arguing about? And then bullets and knives start flying. It’s fantastic. And Dolf, lre iss just epic too. I mean, come on. You know he’s spectacular. Yeah. And then in the sequels, when they talk about like what happened to him, drugs. He used to be a rocket scientist. You know he is actually a chemical engineer.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, it’s a coolest thing. You chemical engineer that Grace Jones went, Hey, that guy’s really good [00:40:00] looking. You wanna come with me and be in a movie? And then from there, his first movie, James Bond View to a Kill. We could segue for a moment and talk about James Bond, the best James Bond movie View to a Kill.

I have said this on other podcast. It is the essential oil of James Bond movies. It is Every James Bond trope distilled down into its purest form. You don’t have to like it, but that is the most James Bond movie that exists. One of Connery’s last ones, right. No, that’s Roger Moore’s last. Oh, Roger. That’s where I thought, okay.

Okay. Yeah. Is he the best bond? No. Oh. I mean, I like your, we’ve had debates though. I, I don’t think so. I, I think he’s the best. Roger Moore.

I mean, there’s Roger Moore than it’s like, yeah, it’s Roger Moore, EE. Even when he’s playing like a Nazi soldier and escape from Athena, it’s like, yeah, that’s Roger Moore. You’re not Yeah. A hundred percent right. Or he’s in, uh, what was the, the Spice Girls movie? Spice World. Right? It’s still Roger Moore, right?[00:41:00]

Yeah. That, here’s my argument. Pierce Brosnan is the best James Bond. He’s the epitome of James Bond with the worst scripts I give you that, and Timothy Dalton had the best premise and the worst. Time is bonds, right? Yeah. And I’m not gonna lie, I like Lazenbys. I think that we should have given Lazenby more.

Yeah. Did you see the documentary on him? I haven’t seen that yet. Oh. There’s a mockumentary called like The Man Who Would Be Bond because he only did one Bond movie. Right. And it’s, it’s Epic Man, Connery come back. Yeah. And he’s, he’s so funny. And it’s one of those mockumentaries, much like framing John DeLorean, where they brought in actual actors to play out the scenes as he’s describing ’em.

And I was literally in tears. It is so funny. And he tells it just so nonchalantly, and there’s some very touching moments, like throughout the mockumentary, but if you have not seen it, it was on Hulu for like forever. You definitely gotta check it out. We And who would be Bond. All right. Gotcha. We’re adding it to the list.

I’ve just given you like 12 more episodes now, but oh, for July, we are doing [00:42:00] the oh oh seventh month. This is our second year in a row doing it. Uh, the premise of our podcast is, uh, bad movies. We are going through, uh, the ones people generally don’t love and justifying why, really they’re all great. Can I tell you what my favorite Bond movie is?

Of course. Never say never again. Coming in this next month. Ah, keep your holes open. It’s coming. Can I tell you another little bit of trivia? Oh. So as you guys know, Barbara Carrera, the mother of Tia Carrera, she is, uh, Fatima Blush in that movie, right? Yeah. And do you remember she, in that movie, there’s a chase scene between Sean Connery.

’cause that was the movie he came back for in the eighties to be in, and he’s chasing her on a BMW motorcycle with all these, you know, trick gizmos that Q puts are on there and all that kind of fun stuff. Yeah, the gadget. So that little red car in that movie, it’s a French sports car, right? Homologated rally car.

It’s known as the Renault Turbo Two, right? Mm-hmm. It, it’s actually mid-engine and it’s actually very [00:43:00] quirky and very French, and I got an opportunity to drive one and write a review on that car. It holds status with a few other cars that I’ve said many times. Never drive your heroes. And if you wanna learn more about that experience, read the article, visit our website, but I, I got an opportunity to drive one of those cars and it, it, it was very interesting.

I’ll put it that way. Oh ha. It opens up with. It’s not a eo. Wait, we were talking about Statham, right? And we got a little bit sidetracked about Bond, I think. Yeah, that’s right. To kind of wrap up the whole bond, you know, discussion there. I think if we lined up all the bond mobiles and drag race them, it would be a hard tie between the original DB five that Sean Connery had and probably one of the later DBSs that Daniel Craig drove.

What do you, what do you think Brad

Crew Chief Brad: Craig is my favorite bond?

Steve & Izzy: Hmm.

Crew Chief Brad: Obviously the Craig cars for sure. It

Steve & Izzy: wasn’t the underwater. Yeah, he, he’s super into the, uh, the Ford Hybrid that they drive through the desert, not Guam soles. Oh [00:44:00] God, that Ford Flex or whatever. Yeah, the underwater lotus from octopus. You know, that’s, that’s another great car.

Now we’re talking.

Crew Chief Brad: No, I actually, I do, my, my favorite bond car is actually the Z eight.

Steve & Izzy: That was cool. And they made a handful of those things, and they’re gorgeous.

Crew Chief Brad: They are. I’ve, I’ve had, I’ve had the pleasure of seeing a couple in, you know, in person and they’re just, they’re stunning to look at. I hear they’re terrible to drive, but they’re stunning to look at.

They’re

Steve & Izzy: also made of unobtainium and that’s their price on Bring a trailer these days too. So that’s

Crew Chief Brad: everything’s price on bring a trailer.

Steve & Izzy: The, uh, moon buggie from diamonds are forever. That’s that’s my, yeah. Yeah. I forgot about that. He’s pretty good. Maybe I’m confusing Fast. And the Furious with bond.

No, there was a bond one where they had wings and he flew over a boat, right? Oh yeah. He has the, the little gyro copter, the, um, yeah, yeah. The, so what they call the little something. Yeah. Uh, yeah. I’m gonna look it up. Um, is it, you only live twice? It was the Japanese. Yeah, yeah. The Japan lived twice. Japan.

[00:45:00] That’s right. Japan. Yeah. But I remember the fun fact about it. It was like, like the Little Eddie or little Edith or something. Yeah. And they made that, it was a, a one person, basically a bicycle helicopter. They made it for the movie. And like British intelligence and US intelligence got a hold of the prop guy who made it, said, does that actually work?

And he said, yeah, it really works. And they were like, you have to make these for us. And he made them for them, and they made their own versions of stealth things out of it. So that was one that started as a prop and became a real vehicle. Look at that trivia. It’s, it’s everywhere. Yeah. What facts. So since we’ve done a couple, uh, donuts there, now we’re gonna talk about Statham again, right?

Yeah. I am down to talk about statham. Circling, circling back just like Nicholas Cage. He’s circling back. Let’s go with Death Race, 1975, David Carradine versus 2008 Jason Statham. What do we think? That’s really hard. I have a huge crush on Jason Statham. [00:46:00] Mr. Statham, I know you’re listening. Uh, go ahead and hit us up on everything I learned from movies.

We’d love to interview you because I know he listens to this. Well, they could call right now, but the original death race is so spectacular. Steve and I had the opportunity in the before four times to host a screening of the original death race at our local theater. That is spectacular on the big screen, by the way, guys.

It’s great. Low budget in the seventies, like a million dollars or whatever. But it’s like great satire, but also mixed in with some pretty cool car stunts and Yeah. You know, obviously over the top design kind like even like Prem Mad Max where it’s more like just the crazy zany, kinda like plaster bodies.

Yeah. Yeah. Like just silly fiberglass bodies. Yeah, fiberglass. That’s it. But some really good, yeah, he said really good stunt driving. Steve’s possibly favorite joke in all a moviedom. It’s a hand grenade. Ugh. It catches me every time too. Just when he pulls it out and it’s like, oh God. That’s right. I like the carmageddon [00:47:00] style sequence where they’re at, like the old folks home and they’re like wheeling ’em out in the wheelchairs and the numbers start popping up and stuff.

Like we’re what? We’re in Pacman or something. It’s craziness. Oh, they wheel out the old folks and then Carradine goes for the nurse instead. Yeah. Points. So it’s been a while since I’ve seen the 2008 one though. Like what? Obviously you’ve seen it directed by Paul WS Anderson before, like exclusively made, uh, resident evil movies and stuff.

But I’ve also seen like all the sequels that starred like Dominic Purcell and uh, what, what was it, 2050 that came out a couple years ago. Oh yeah. With a bunch of the background guys from Fury Road. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you’re, you’re talking about the new Death race, right? Yeah, yeah. The new the, yeah, the new.

Yeah. And I’ve, I’ve seen, seen exactly. I’ve seen those too. And they’re prequels to the Jason Statham movie, which makes ’em a trilogy because it tells the story of what’s his name, Frankenstein or, or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I, I really enjoyed them. And it actually, for the audience, if you [00:48:00] haven’t seen those prequels, those directed DVD or probably VHS or Blockbuster, you can pick it up tomorrow.

I, I recommend it. I mean, they’re totally the one blockbuster that’s left in the us. I, I mean, I totally recommend them. They’re super cool because it does fill in the backstory into that almost comic like world that was created around death race. Oh. Have you guys seen Doomsday? Superman tubes? No. Okay. Uh, so around, yeah, around the same time, like 2008, 2009, maybe 2010, director Neil Marshall, who did like the descent and like some of the better episodes of Game of Thrones and stuff like that.

Okay. And then Hellboy, but he did this movie called Doomsday. And if you like Mad Max and like the Death Race 2000, or you know, the Death Race with, uh, Jason Statham, I would highly recommend you check out Doomsday. ’cause it, it’s like mad. Super fun Max. Without the The trademark. Yeah,

Crew Chief Brad: I think I’ve seen Doomsday.

That’s the one where they end up in the world of Excalibur and the Yes. The middle. Yeah. Okay.

Steve & Izzy: Medieval Times or what? Wait, I [00:49:00] thought that was time. I thought that was timeline with Paul Walker. Paul Walker, yeah. Yeah. Timeline. I don’t end up in 13th century France because they time travel using mirrors.

Nope. That’s a different movie. Dude. That book, I’m a huge Creighton fan. The book is fantastic. The movie that is one of the best books. The books. Books are always great. That’s why Michael Creighton doesn’t let him make movies from him anymore. You guys keep fucking it up. Well, he’s also dead, so that doesn’t help either.

I’m sorry. His estate, it’s no sphere. Don’t worry, they’re nocturnal. They’re only poisonous at night. That’s not what that means. Alright. Alright. I’m gonna, I’m gonna say it again because I’ve said it a million times before. Westworld is amazing. Inspired by Creighton in the original movie Y Brenner and all that, but still the New West World.

Fantastic. I mean, it’s no runaway, but yeah. What can be, oh, if you guys have not seen Runaway. Oh, so yeah. Death Race. No. So circling back to death race, I mean, so many circles. [00:50:00] They’re hard. Yeah, we’re, we’re just doing donuts now. It’s like, you know, it’s like Drift. It’s a drift course not a drag race anymore.

But I think the first movie kind of like Vanishing Point, so the other ones, it holds a place in cinematic history because it was so different. It was so new. You, it Campy is all get out, but in the same way as the gumball run. Right. And so like Raul Julio is in that and, and some other films that were like car related where it’s like on these epic journeys and all that kind of thing.

World. Yeah, exactly. Death Race is like Water World meets Mad Max meets like a bunch of other stuff And it, I thought it was fun though, and I will rewatch it. I think what’s cool about it, unlike the scene in the Italian job with Statham, where you know, the guy wrench comes to help him. And I laughed when I saw that again and I’m like, who is this clown?

Because in my mind that same scene was played out in Death Race and it was machete instead. Right. And you’re like, eh, you know, it’s stuff like that is what made. Death race the new one for me because it added [00:51:00] that extra level of grit that it just, it just needed to get it beyond like, this is just kind of dumb and video game, like where it became fun and re watchable and something you could just throw on your iPad on an airplane and go, we’re gonna kill it for the next two hours.

Literally kill it. ’cause that’s what they do in that movie. It’s in the title A board game, an unofficial board game for death race. And it’s super fun. Is this like the jump to conclusions game in office space? Like what are we doing now? I don’t know. It’s a real one. I don’t know. It’s a, it’s a real, it’s a real game.

And what, like there? Yeah. So it’s a board game. It’s sort of set up like the game of life. Like you got the little road you go down. Oh, so it’s the sequel to ra. I got it totally set up. Like little different people. There’s the kids, there’s the old folks, there’s the women, there’s the men. You get different points if you can land on their square and hit ’em.

I like this. I gotta find this. It’s pretty fun. I mean, I get, my daughters would get the concept of just ramming into the people with matchbox cars. But[00:52:00]

yeah, same with the, the death race is the, the old one’s the classic, but really love the old ones so much. I love the camp value. The old one’s got Carradine, it’s got Sly Stallone, it’s got other people in it. The new one, if you took out Jason Statham and replaced him with. Nicholas Cage, would it be just as good?

Oh, no, no, no, no. Statham is great. Statham iss great. Statham can stay. I guess what I’m getting at is if you replace the draw of the Statham, the sexiness and the appeal, and the British accent, is the movie as good? Is it still a rose by any other name? Oh, does that sexiness

Crew Chief Brad: bring you in?

Steve & Izzy: Yeah. Yes, it brings all the boys to the yard.

All right, moving on. Yeah, I, I, I’d rather watch state than David Carradine. I’ll put a, I got you. I got you. I’ll go with the new one. I’ll go with the new one. All right. I think I put my points in lane two. What about you, Brad?

Crew Chief Brad: The new one for sure. So,

Steve & Izzy: so this now puts the new movies one up on the vintage ones.

Ooh. [00:53:00] Hmm hmm. We gotta switch gears a little bit. We’re not gonna split our car in two or in half, or run the rear end, past the front end like they did in Herbie. And there have been many sequels to the Herbie franchise. Many. So pulling up to the line in lane number one is a 1963 WW Beetle and in lane number two as a drunken Lindsay Lohan.

So it’s Lane one. Let’s move on.

Although friend of the podcast, Dana Gould star in one of those Herbie sequels in the nineties I think So. We all fall on hard times, Steve. Yeah, right. You gotta pick some money. Everybody’s gotta keep their side card up. I mean, you’re right. 1968, Dean Jones, I mean the original Love Bug and, and the Herbie movies.

I am a big fan of Herbie Ghost of Monte Carlo. I just, whatever. I love that movie. I think it’s fantastic. The new one, you know, for Herbie, fully Loaded, supposed to pay homage to the original. As much as I [00:54:00] love Michael Keaton, and I’m gonna say it again, he needs to do Batman Beyond before he, he passes away at some point.

Yes, yes. Right as Bruce Wayne, he just needs to do it. Yes. Oh my God. I’ve been screaming this on our podcast for years. I’m so happy to hear somebody else echo it. I posted it on Brian’s Take two universe page on Facebook. Go back and check it out. I found a picture of Michael Keaton where they grade him and put him in a wheelchair on an episode of Frazier.

He was playing a conman and I snapped it and I said, boom. Living proof. Michael Keaton can do elderly. Bruce Wayne in Batman Beyond. Let’s get it done. I put it out in the universe. We’ll get a Elaine Moosey to play night Wing. Oh, that’s great. Come on. Doesn’t really get your shit together. Alright, we’re gonna talk Volkswagens again for a minute.

Oh yeah, yeah. So Michael Keaton mad props. The man is invincible in my mind. He is Batman. He is a lot of things. Birdman, not so much, but Batman. Yes. Lindsay Lohan, eh. We could have replaced her with anybody else. The whole cast of descendants would’ve been better than Lindsay Lohan in that movie. But there’s a [00:55:00] third Love Bug movie that a lot of people forget and it stars yet another one of my childhood heroes.

Do we know who it is? Is it The Chin? The Chin, the Bruce? My name is Bruce Campbell and he starred in another remake in the late nineties. And if you haven’t seen this film, have you guys seen this film? Yes. I was in middle school when this came out. So I was still enough of a kid that I was in the target demographic.

Do you remember the importance of this movie? No. ’cause I ha don’t think I have seen it since it came out. Alright, Steve, do you know why this movie’s important? No, there’s two big reasons. Well, three. Number one, Bruce Campbell’s in it. Number two. Dean Jones cameos in the film, and it’s supposed to be the Herbie, the original Herbie in that movie.

And three, it is the only Herbie film that actually depicts and tells us Herbie’s origin story, the entire paranormal [00:56:00] background of Herbie. So we get the inside view into all that. And if there’s a three B, they also take a totally Michael Knight spin on this and develop the car. You know, there was Kit and there was Car, the bad version of Herbie.

There is a bad version of Herbie in this movie as well, which makes it delightful and entertaining and a complete waste of 90 minutes. But getting that origin story is epic, and it brings a lot of closure to people going like, okay, I get it. It’s Disney, you know, fairy magic and all that stuff. Why a car?

Why? And so when you watch that film, then you get that big reveal. Speaking of Big Reveal, do you know who directed that movie? The The Love Bug with Bruce Campbell apparently was Peyton Reed, the director of Ant Man, and like several episodes of The Mandalorian and Mr Show with Bob and Dave and Oh yeah, it was like one of his first movies.

It looks like he holds that in high regard, I’m sure, and I’m sure, yeah, yeah, just near the top of the resume. Even Disney forgot that it was in the vault. They were like, man, this movie’s tragic. [00:57:00] Hey, there’s a bunch of movies they forgot in the vault. Do you know how hard it is to find the devil in Max Devlin?

Is it with you and me and Kwan G? Because I want to talk about, my name is Bruce. But seriously let, since you brought up the chin, you know him and Jay Leno being a big car guy. I mean, they are number one and number two for putting him in lane one and Lane two. Bruce Campbell versus Jay Leno. Which chin wins the drag race?

Who’s Jay

Crew Chief Brad: Leno By a chin?

Steve & Izzy: No, no, no. It’s gonna be Bruce Campbell. ’cause Jay Leno’s gonna get distracted and go drive off down like the PCH for hours at a time Car. Or a turbine or something ridiculous.

Crew Chief Brad: But Bruce is gonna get stopped by Evil Dead and Zombies and well that, and he drives a

Steve & Izzy: four speed Tercel that only runs on three cylinders.

It’s not getting very far. And the man’s made a whopping 5,000 bucks in his cover here. Right? So it’s a, it’s a, it’s a three banger Tercel versus a Stanley Steamer.[00:58:00]

So Bruce, my man, Bruce. If there’s any ho one you’re voting for, we get it. No, no. I want, I wanna segue for a moment like we did with Bond, right? Where we’re gonna put Bruce on a segue and it’s gonna be fantastic. Briscoe County Junior himself. Ah,

Crew Chief Brad: I think he wrote a segue in, burned it or see he just got a boner.

Steve & Izzy: Think he just came. Briscoe County Junior. Oh, oh God. If you had only said jack of all trades, it would’ve been over burn notice. Sidekick Sam Ax for the win. So that brings me to the point of what I was getting at here. What’s the best Bruce Campbell movie? Oh, Congo. He is pretty good in his five minutes in Calgo, his one day of shooting, was it when he played autologous in Zeno Warrior Princess.

Oh, that’s right. He was in that. Yeah, he was.

Baba Hot. [00:59:00] Oh, that Pustule got its own credit. How the hell do you make the Mummy worse? Baba eb. They’re so bad, but they’re so excellent. Every one of them. So much charisma that it is fun to watch him in movies that would be completely unwatchable with almost anybody else in that role. Absolutely. And he could reprise the role of Errol Flynn whenever he feels like it.

That’s that’s, oh yeah. Yeah. Uh, I kinda liked his role in Dark Man. Oh, there’s another MO with Arnold Volu going back to The Mummy. Yeah, that’s a poll right there. Nice job. Like, I don’t think a lot of people know that. That’s doesn’t say a word does. He just kind of shows up at the end. Yep. That’s my new face.

Now with Herbie, it goes to the original right? Whether it’s Bruce Campbell or not, I think it goes to the original. So we’re tied once again, three. Three here. So I’m gonna pull one out from underneath a rock. And many people don’t realize that the Fast and the Furious is actually a remake of a nightmare.

Oh, that [01:00:00] Roger Corman Baby 1954. Yes. John Ireland and Dorothy Malone starring in the Fast and the Furious, and they have nothing to do with one another other than the fact, the fact that there’s scars, they’re cutting towards Mexico. Yeah, nothing gets airborne or explodes in the original film. There is no danger to manifold and the paint schemes are quite bland.

Crew Chief Brad: How many shifts?

Steve & Izzy: Four Speed. That’s pretty much it. Yeah.

Crew Chief Brad: I can’t even tell you

Steve & Izzy: what the car is. It’s such an unmemorable film and I have it in my collection, the original Fast and Furious and then Fast and the Furious, and then, you know, the 19 other films that came after that. And that’s pretty much it.

All right. Sorry, I looked it up for, uh, fast and Furious 1954. It’s a Jaguar XK one 20. Oh yeah. Okay. That’s right. Donated by a local Jaguar dealer.

Crew Chief Brad: And it didn’t run,

Steve & Izzy: uh, well, apparently they had to pull it with a Chevy. Apparently Corman set up a deal that he was going to borrow them, but they couldn’t crash any of them, and none of them were able to be returned to the dealership.

Interesting. Even back then, look at that. But [01:01:00] I think in this case, the new one definitely crushes the old one. So

Crew Chief Brad: I think, I think for the, the sake of this argument, we get rid of the 1954 Fast and Furious It grandma drives to the track to sit on the sidelines and watch the rest of the young kids race.

Okay. So now we need to figure out which of the Fast and Furious, you know, saga is the better, is the best film I, I think. All

Steve & Izzy: right. All right, all right. Hold on, hold on. We’re not gonna talk about chronology, we’re not gonna talk about plot holes that you can literally drive aircraft carriers through. Do we count five and six as one movie?

Two parts to the same movie. Wait, fast Five and Fast Six. Yeah, they’re two. They’re two parts. They’re part A and part B. Okay. Here, here’s, here’s the thing. Like based on the uh, timeframe, like between movies and stuff, the eight movies or whatever that have happened so far, hasn’t it been over the course of like three years?

I think it’s been like two weeks. Timeline. Weeks. Like shouldn’t Dom’s Kid be like in the sixth grade or something by now or it’s like an episode of 24. That’s what you don’t realize. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, if we are gonna pit [01:02:00] Fast and Furious movies against each other, the reason I wanna bundle five and six together because they really are one big four hour movie.

’cause that’s the, the sequence I would pit against any of the other films, whether it be the original one, Tokyo Drift Fast and Furious Four, that’s got two flat tires and a busted turbo that’s on the side of the, the track. It’s not even running, but even the newer ones, right, I’m thinking five and six together because I can’t put five and six against one another.

You know what I mean? But what would you put up against that movie or movies? Well, everyone knows Hobbes and Shaw is the best ho the one, but Hobbs, far as hos the best one. Like driving one far, the cars Hobb and oh, I think it was seven that had, uh, the bad guys had the, those cars that were like the basically like indie cars or whatever, but they, you know, death proofed out or whatever and mm-hmm.

I don’t know, some sort of jet engines. Slash magnets. I don’t know what, but that made ’em like invincible. We gotta remember too, that this franchise starts out with, uh, a brother and sister who own a sandwich shop and drag race on the weekends, [01:03:00] also fund their sandwich shop by stealing zoo players out of the back of semi-truck driven by Hercules himself.

That’s right. Kevin Zerbo. Kevin Zobo drives the, uh, the big rig. I also wanna throw out there with the, the adding of the rock and Jason Statham to the Fast and Furious universe, Steve and I discovered any Easter rig. Ooh. That we don’t know if they’re gonna fully cash in on, but they’ve already started to, in Tokyo.

Drift Han is not dead. Ha’s not dead, but, but it gets better than that in Tokyo Drift. When they have the last race against the Yakuza. When Sonny Chiba iss gonna kill everybody if they don’t win the race, which is already amazing in itself. Twinkie little Bow Wow. Is live streaming the race on his flip phone because Japan, they’re in the future.

Why not? And he says to his phone, yo Uncle Deck, check this out. Then they bring in a character named Deckard Shaw, who we find out from Hobbes. And Shaw was basically [01:04:00] brothers with Idris Elba, who supposedly died a few years ago. ’cause Jason Statham had to put him down. So is Uncle Deck Deckard Shaw is Bow Wow.

To Bow Wow. And that’s how they’re gonna bring him back into, I don’t know, fast. 10 fast in space is is bow wow in the Japanese international, uh, prep school because his dad died in the line of service. You guys have just blown my mind in like the whole NBC, the more you know sort of way. I’m like, holy smokes.

And you guys can go back and rewatch it. We have replayed that scene so many times. We wore a DVD out, I’m pretty sure, because we wanna make sure we heard what we heard and I’m, we heard what we heard. I mean, that’s like me watching, my name is Bruce and pausing when they go to the trailer full of his stuff and I’m playing, I spy, you know, inside the room to figure out which show is in there.

Wow. No, I am, my mind is blown. I’m my, my valves are bent and [01:05:00] my manifold is melted at this point. Well ’cause the first one they bring Jason Staman, they go back to Tokyo Drift with him, quote unquote killing Han. And then they’ve sort of skipped over, I’m hoping. And then they explain it more about how actually Deckard was helping out Han.

Right. I’m guessing to escape the Yakuza. So interesting. I’m, well, we’ll see what they do with that. We’ll see what they do with that. I mean, once the franchise has hit 90 movies, I’m sure they’ll do a TV show on like Hallmark channel and it’ll be fantastic and you know, we’ll just love it for the next 50 years.

So whatever. Right. Live and love a quarter mile text Guys. Guys, this potentially means that there’s a movie out there with Jason Statham, Iris Salba, and Han in their like early days, like a prequel. That is true. And they all know each other apparently. If you had to pick any two people from the Expendables to be in the Fast and Furious, which is basically expendables with cars, who would you pick?

Well, we’ve already got Jason Statham, so there we go. Yeah, we got, we already got the good one, but two [01:06:00] more. Two more. You’re gonna pull two more Dol L Grin and Terry Cruz though. I mean, let’s face it. Yeah, that’s, that’s who else we meet in this franchise. I was, I was thinking Terry Cruz and Jean Claude Van Dam.

Jean Claude is pretty good. Jean Len. Yeah.

He only gets to drive French cars though.

Crew Chief Brad: He only gets to ride on top of a Volvo rig.

Steve & Izzy: He gets the brown Volvo from Jalopnik. That’s what he gets to drive. End of story.

It tough. So a lot of people will argue that Tokyo Drift is probably one of the best movies in the franchise. So do we put that in lane number two against maybe the original? I’ve heard it said before. I’ve been told, I’ve heard it said as well. It, it’s, it’s pretty good. I thought it was straight to DVD, but apparently it made like $200 million in theaters.

Everybody thought it was straight to DVD and yet it made a shit ton of money. Here’s the thing, the main kid. Not a great actor. The plot very interesting. The [01:07:00] side characters very interesting. When you rewatch it, you can sort of look past our main characters. Sort of a nothing because the rest of the movie’s very good.

It was so good. It brought Vin back, right? He was like, oh no, I about to lose another franchise I’d you come back. Triple X isn’t working out for me. Yeah, right. It’s the same movie. I’m like, come on. So that’s Furious. Yes. They don’t wanna talk about Sean’s. Give it the Furious six. Sorry, Eric. So over on our podcast, during the lockdown, we actually did quarter April at a time and we did review every single Fest and Furious movie.

Because we were just making content, including the Roger Corman one, and Hobbes and Shaw and the entire universe. So nice. We’re well versed in this. So, I mean, there’s so many other films that we could talk about that aren’t sequels from the same general era and genre of car film, right? The French connection to Live and Die in la, the seven [01:08:00] ups bullet, Lamonts, grand Prix, even Rendezvous.

If you’ve never seen that, you should check it out. Probably one of the, I don’t wanna say the oldest car films, but it’s right up there with no redeeming dialogue, but lots of action. We need a tiebreaker here. Right? I think we’re still like three. All if I remember, and we need, we need something to break it up, to throw out a movie.

We’ll just go for it. And that’s, that’s gonna be it. What? What’s it gonna be? Congo. No, let, let, let an action. Yeah, the movie or something. Action. Car movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, whatever we gotta throw, I mean, we’re tied three. All we gotta, we gotta settle this old versus new. Do the sequels win, do the modern movies kick ass tonight or do we hand it to the, the vintage guys, you know, loping away with their big V eights.

Wait, was it Fast and Furious? The tiebreaker. So it’s gotta be the new ones.

Crew Chief Brad: We you, yeah. We never got a definitive answer. He’s just throwing out.

Steve & Izzy: Yeah. Uh, well, I mean, fast and the Furious is like, are we drag racing or are we demolition derby at that point? Right. I mean, they’re just all crashing into each other.

And it depends

Crew Chief Brad: on which movie you’re talking about.

Steve & Izzy: It’s, yeah. It starts [01:09:00] at with their drag racing. We’ll keep it with the first three where, yeah, it’s like racing. So, so they start out, they start out as racers, they become sort of demolition derby guys. Then it becomes a car superhero franchise. So now we’re into car superheroes.

I think they’ve been disqualified for cheating and we need to find a better time breaker.

Crew Chief Brad: Let me think. Lemme think. Look,

Steve & Izzy: you’re just mad because they drove between two towers in Dubai. Alright. The van and a team old versus new. Oh, that’s a good pull. That’s a good pull. I like that. The A team. I just remember that there was a new A team and it was like, yeah, there we go.

No, I, I forgot about that movie. And the sad part is I really like the new movie and I think, I think it’s really good. It’s basically the same van. So is it really? Or, or I guess we gotta compare the movie now because the vehicle’s the same. We, we pull ’em up to the Christmas tree. They’re, they’re gonna run the same lap time.

So what are we thinking, Brad, old a team as Corn ball as it was. You know, I love it when a [01:10:00] plan comes together or the new stuff, corn ball. I’m glad when a plan comes together,

Crew Chief Brad: I’m, I’m gonna stick with my millennial roots and say the new one,

Steve & Izzy: Ooh, I gotta go with the new one because it has John Ham in it, even as a Yeah.

Yeah. And, and yeah, it’s a, it’s a good little action movie. I’m surprised it didn’t make sequels, but I guess it didn’t make a whole lot of money. Like, I’m trying to remember like the old, uh, a team episodes and I just remember them being very repetitive. Like, it’s always like, Hey, we gotta go into this compound.

And then you get. Uh, like, how are we gonna sneak in? I don’t know, but I’ve got a plan. And then it ends up like the van’s on like a hot air balloon and goes over the fence and then they shoot, get the hostages and shoot their way out. Ha. Freeze Frame created by Dick Wolf or whatever. It’s, who’s the, who’s the guy?

Uh, Rockford F uh, Jerry Canal. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, and we actually talked about Dick Wolf. He was part of a, a movie that we reviewed in our movie Mixed Bag episode. So go back and check [01:11:00] that out. It’s actually a lot of fun that starts, uh, DB Sweeney and Charlie Sheen in that film as well. So I get your point about the, A team, and people are gonna hate me for saying this, but I always.

Put it into this category of, it’s just like Voltron and people are like, what the hell are you talking about? It’s just like Voltron. If you go back and rewatch the old episodes of Voltron, not the new stuff on Netflix, which is actually really, really good, you’ll realize very quickly that there’s only about 37 seconds of new content and every episode of Voltron and it’s just canned stuff repeated over and over again.

And that’s how I feel about like the A Team and Hawaii five oh and like Gilligan Island and all those old shows. All right. What’s the new little piece that we’re adding to the same old crap we’ve been watching over and over again? I can see it All right. Time breaker movies too. I’m gonna throw another one out there for you guys.

Smokey and the Bandit. The original three versus the four they made for, uh, country music television. Yeah. Good old CMT directed by Burt Reynolds, apparently. [01:12:00] Oh, oh, oh, oh. I It’s hard to go against the original Smokey and the Bandit. What? You didn’t like Bandit. Bandit Bandit or Bandit Goes Country or, but then they had on what became the cw Right.

They had the Bandit television show where he drove a Dodge stealth and that was absolutely horrendous. I can’t remember the actor’s name ’cause I don’t think he did anything else. It was career tanked after that. But that was along with all those other shows that they were, they were having at the time, like name was Hugh Jackman.

What, what? No bless femur. Got Sully Zi charade. Do not, do not Sully the name of, of Hugh. He apologizes for making Wolverine. But other than that, his, his career is completely un blemished. It’s okay. 43.

That about that one, didn’t you? Oh, that’s terrible. [01:13:00] Uh, smoking the banana, I mean, the original one was awesome. I have, I didn’t like the second or the third movie. And I, and I love, oh, you didn’t like the elephant? Well get that some bitch, but you know, I don’t know. There’s something Pursuit. Come on anus.

So apparently the third one, oh my God, my brain, Jackie Gleason, Jackie Gleason was supposed to play every single character right. Right. Including the Bandit, but he got sick, you know, right. During filming. So they couldn’t do that. I don’t think it would’ve been a better movie. Nope. Wasn’t that the one where Cletus, AKA, the Snowman introduces to us, to Fred and his girlfriend Freda?

Yes. Yep. That’s the most memorable part of that movie for me. Because you imagine if every single character was Jackie Gleason, that’s like a simple Jack, right. That, that’s how I would view that turning out at the end of that film. It just like, like it wouldn’t have been better, but it would’ve [01:14:00] been interesting.

It would’ve been a piece of cinema. It would’ve been a piece of something. You’re right about that. So, so the old ones wins, right? The original. I, I, I think so. I really do. So I mean, we’re tied yet again, you know, new a team, old Smokey in the band. I think we just keep going back and forth, but we’re having a lot of fun doing it.

Right. Car movies are awesome. They need to make a come. Okay. The Fast and Furious movies. Fantastic. Although half of the stunts and everything in it, C-R-C-G-I, we need more Mad Max Fury Road type shit. Where Yeah, we need real cars, real CARSs just banging and just people jumping from car to car, hood to hood and let’s break the truck.

Jump record. Where’s Hal Em when you need them? Ray Richard Smith is still alive. Let’s make this happen. Come on Australia. You know what’s up now we movie, podcast. Sorry. Gearheads people don’t watch Tucker ’cause they wanna find out about how a guy bankrupt the car company. You watch that. I [01:15:00] watch, I wrote an article about that movie with uh, with that which had Jeff Bridges from Tron a so, uh, ’cause we’re on the car podcast.

I have to brag a little. When I was a kid, my dad was an antique automotive mechanic. Oh cool. His specialty was pre-World War II cars and he worked on not one but two Tuckers and I had to write both of them for the test drive. What was it like riding in a helicopter engine powered rear wheel drive monstrosity?

Honestly, it was sort of like driving it, riding in any car from like the twenties or thirties. But I was also like six, so, oh, well there you go. And you know, we did have one of those Stanley steamers and he would take it apart and just store it in the garage until somebody asked him if it could be in a parade and he’d spend three days putting it back together.

Nice. And you know what, I know how we’re gonna wrap this episode up. I think we’re gonna do it. Break fix style. Brad, why don’t we ask him a couple pit stop questions while we’re at it. Okay.

Crew Chief Brad: From down

Steve & Izzy: guys, I bring my own toilet paper. [01:16:00] Oh, pit stop hack number one. We talking NASCAR Pit stop or Formula one.

Oh, road trip. I, I was thinking run down a Valero station in the middle of Nevada. You just reminded me of Rat Race where the girl’s like, she, she hangs her ass out the window. Dude, I gotta go. I’m Prairie dog. It Oh, so good. That and sex drive where? Where the girl has to fill the radiator on the side of the road.

Oh, that scene is incredible. But no.

Crew Chief Brad: What’s the best looking car of all time?

Steve & Izzy: Ooh. Best looking car. Sexiest. I like the like 69, like Laman, Chevelle, like that kind of muscle car body. That’s my favorite. Nice, nice. Uh, I am super, super, super biased. ’cause one of these [01:17:00] has been on my mom’s side of the family, in the family for, well, almost a hundred years now.

Uh, I really like a 36 Ford Cabrio. Oh, that’s a good pull. That’s the first time somebody’s gone that far back. Mm-hmm. That’s awesome. That’s a good looking car. I agree. And so when we flip that on its nose, ugliest car of all time. We’re talking ugly. We’re talking FI mean, uh, 1987 Ford, Mustang. Anything hatchback?

Anything Scion. Yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We got a fox body on one side and we have a Toyota Corolla basically on the other side. Wow. No, no, no. Toyota Corolla’s are beautiful. This is, if Duplos had an abortion, I’ve never heard it referred to that way, but that’s that’s great. I love it. Stop me when I’m wrong.

Now I will say there’s people like shaking their fists and, and getting their pitchforks and their torches lit. Now, when you mention the Fox Body Mustang, ’cause that that is sacred, that that’s a national treasure right there. That’s like, look, crocodile [01:18:00] Dundee, you guys got ripped off in the eighties. I, I apologize on behalf of the Foreign Motor Company for putting out that shit.

I’m sorry you were 19. The engines are great, but the body Yeah, no, I thought you were gonna say the other thing. Everybody seems to like the body and they go that 3 0 2. Five liters of 180 horsepower. What is that? Yeah. Yeah. That is odd. But it’s so you could have that 5.0 on the side of that horrible body.

All right, I’m done. If you could have any one car from television or a movie, what would it be? What was that car in Octopussy? No, I’m just kidding. Um, you just wanted to say octopus again? Yeah. Yeah. Ooh. This is a, that is a tough one. Any car from any, can I have the war rig from fa? Yeah. Any war road. I, I would like a big rig that has gun turrets attached to it.

And flame throwers. We used to live in the San Francisco area. I’ve sat in traffic. I’d like a big [01:19:00] rig. I’d like to do that anymore. So you want, you want Optimist Prime is what you’re saying? Oh, no, no, no. Oh, no, no, no. She, she wants the war rig. Like, I want the war. Oh. Oh, I know you said semi. I I just went Transformers.

So I was like, all right. Yeah, no, no, no, no. I believe the war rig could blow up. Optimist Prime.

So it’s funny when we had Brian on the show, and he mentioned that he wanted the, uh, the dog mobile from Dumb and Dumber. So, you know that that’s high up on the list there. Do that. Wait, I, I, I like, uh, DeLorean with a Mr. Fusion in the back. Nice. Watch capacitor. See, DeLorean are cool again. I keep saying that.

You know, they always were. I want the tank from Tank. Oh. Uh, you just want James Gardner’s vehicles. Like, I’ll take, I’ll take the Rockford. Uh, God, what was that, a 72 Thunderbird or something like that? Yeah, yeah. I do, I do like that seabird nerds. Now, you know, this pit stop is quickly becoming the, uh, the scene with ogre at the [01:20:00] urinal.

So we white flag one lap to go. Now, I guess we’re approaching the checker here. Yeah, we passed

Crew Chief Brad: the checker.

Steve & Izzy: I’m gonna do this. I’m gonna give. Steve and Izzy an opportunity for yet another shameless plug after I thank them for coming on this epic crossover episode. I hope the Petrolhead and the movie buffs alike enjoyed this episode and kind of realize how much crossover there is between all these films.

And hopefully we presented some films that you haven’t seen before in a new way. And you know what? Go bake off some of these films for yourself. It’s an easy way to kill, you know, four and a half hours on a, on a Wednesday night. Yeah. Well, I, I feel like we’ve talked about our podcast. Everything I learned from movies enough.

Uh, babe, are you on social media at all? I am. I’m actually an artist. You can find my art pretty much everywhere under untidy. Venus. That’s a goddess who’s beded housework. I’m all over, especially over on Etsy, where I have my own little shop where Steve and I make awesome creations and sell them. That’s untidy Venus.

Well guys, again, thank you so [01:21:00] much. For our listeners on Break Fix, be sure to tune into Steve and Izzy’s show everything I learned from movies, they’re available on all the majors as they plug several times on the show. It is delightful. The episodes are a lot of fun, and again, I have to tip my hat to both of you for reaching a number that maybe one day we’ll get there.

Folks, they are closing in very quickly on 500 episodes. I mean, that is woo, quality over quality. Woo. You can’t stop us. You guys are epic. You guys are an absolute delight and I cannot thank you enough for coming on the show. This has been a lot of fun. Yeah, thanks for having us much. You’ll have to Thank you so much.

Come on our show when we, uh, get car movies coming on. Yeah. Hey, we’re gonna take you up on that. We’re gonna take you up on that. Mm-hmm. Oh yeah. And by the way, the secret to longevity is sleep with your co-opts.

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Skip ahead if you must… Here’s the highlights from this episode you might be most interested in and their corresponding time stamps.

• 00:00:00 Special Guests: Steve and Izzy from EILFM
• 00:00:43 Ultimate No Prep Showdown: Original vs. Remake
• 00:02:50 Gone in 60 Seconds: Old vs. New
• 00:12:40 Vanishing Point: A Cult Classic
• 00:18:41 Mad Max: Road Warrior vs. Fury Road
• 00:24:46 The Italian Job: Heist Movies Compared
• 00:32:59 Get Carter: A Tale of Two Gangsters
• 00:41:22 Mockumentary Madness: The Man Who Would Be Bond
• 00:45:36 Jason Statham and Death Race
• 00:53:03 Herbie: The Love Bug Legacy
• 00:57:11 Bruce Campbell: The Chin’s Best Roles
• 00:59:53 Fast and Furious Franchise: Old vs. New
• 01:07:49 Car Movie Classics: A Nostalgic Debate
• 01:15:48 Wrapping Up: Pit Stops, Shameless Plugs and Farewells

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