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This special episode of ‘The Drive Thru’ delves into the latest news and controversies surrounding Tesla’s Cybertruck. Sponsors like HPDEjunkie.com and Garage Style Magazine help support the show. The hosts discuss ongoing issues with Tesla and the Cybertruck, such as build quality, maintenance challenges, pricing surprises, and the overall consumer experience. Various anecdotes highlight the car’s susceptibility to rust, performance in adverse weather conditions, and unconventional design choices like the visor-mounted shifter. They also touch on Tesla’s trouble scaling production and reflect on Elon Musk’s surprising admission that the Cybertruck might have been an ill-conceived venture. The episode ends with lighter, humorous takes on Tesla’s marketing stunts and potential future recalls, capturing the hosts’ skepticism and critique of this highly-publicized electric vehicle.

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Showcase: Brad’s CyberTruck buying Journey

Tesla's Cybertruck Could Be A Lot More Expensive Than People Thought, And Some Are Cancelling Their Reservations

One anonymous Cybertruck buyer says Tesla offered them a tri-motor truck for over $100,000  ... [READ MORE]

Tesla Cybertrucks Keep Getting Stuck In Snow

Seems like those factory tires aren't good for much when the flakes start piling up  ... [READ MORE]

YouTuber Takes Tesla Cybertruck On Cross-Country Road Trip, Stops 12 Times To Charge Over 1,340 Miles

From in-car glitches to worse-than-expected efficiency, nothing about this trip sounds fun.  ... [READ MORE]

Tesla Cybertruck Vs. Porsche 911 Drag Race Was Pure Spectacle

The electric Cybertruck beat a gas-powered Porsche 911 Carrera in drag race while towing a 911 Carrera, of course  ... [READ MORE]

Elon Musk: We dug our own grave with the Cyber Truck

 ... [READ MORE]

Tesla Cybertruck owners complain their new vehicles are rusting

 ... [READ MORE]

2024 Tesla Cybertruck vs. Rivian R1T vs. Ford F-150 Lightning: The Only Comparison Test You'll Need

We test the Cybertruck’s mettle against two prime painted-pony rivals and find stark differences and a reality that contradicts some Tesla claims. ... [READ MORE]

WhistlinDiesel Got His Hands On A Tesla Cybertruck And Ford F-150

The future doesn't look bright for the full-size trucks which are going to star in a new video by "the CEO of destruction" ... [READ MORE]

Tesla recalls over 11,000 Cybertrucks over trim detaching and wiper issue

 ... [READ MORE]

You Can Just Peel Open A Cybertruck Like An Orange

With a little effort, a thief in Atlanta, Georgia was able to gain entrance into the incredibly secure Tesla Cybertruck  ... [READ MORE]

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Everything you wanted to know about the Cyber Truck but were afraid to ask! 

For a list of all the articles and events referenced on this episode check out the show notes below.

Financing

Lowered Expectations

News

Recalls

Truck Thangs!

Washing & Detailing

Welp!

TRANSCRIPT

Executive Producer Tania: [00:00:00] The Drive Thru is our monthly news episode and is sponsored in part by organizations like HPTEjunkie. com, CollectorCarGuide. net, Project Motoring, Garage Style Magazine, The Exotic Car Marketplace, and many others. If you are interested in becoming a sponsor of The Drive Thru, look no further than www.

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Crew Chief Eric: I guess we would be remiss if we didn’t talk about Tesla.

Executive Producer Tania: Oh, didn’t we talk about him enough already?

Crew Chief Eric: Was that

Executive Producer Tania: the Law and Order music? Yep.

Crew Chief Eric: What kind of shenanigans is Elon up to this time? Have you noticed that we have begun to really split hairs on Tesla? I remember when it was just, we would be remiss. And then it became Teslagate, and then it became stupid shit that Elon [00:01:00] does, and now the Cybertruck has its own segment by itself, because it is a spectacle.

Crew Chief Brad: Yes.

Crew Chief Eric: I love how it’s all inclusive. It’s the car, it’s the man, it’s the company, just all rolled up into one.

Crew Chief Brad: There you go, there’s their new slogan, the car, the man, the company. Musk. They should just drop Tesla. They should just be Musk. Are you driving? God, I can’t even say it. Are you driving your Musk? Yes, I got my Musk.

Riding in my Musk.

Crew Chief Eric: What was the name of that perfume in Anchorman where he was like, Musk. Jaguar bottle. He would open it up and it would like smell like hell. Like that’s exactly what I’m thinking here.

Executive Producer Tania: Sex Panther? Was that what it was?

Crew Chief Brad: Musk. But before we dig in to the showcase, I have breaking news. I received an email from Tesla.

Executive Producer Tania: They, uh, hacked your account and have all your personal info.

Crew Chief Brad: They would like

Crew Chief Eric: you to reset [00:02:00] your password.

Crew Chief Brad: Yes. There was a security breach and the, no, I’m kidding.

Crew Chief Eric: We found out a little secret when we were doing a

Crew Chief Brad: crossover episode. With one of our guests, Elon Musk snort my hundred dollars up his nose. Is that what happened?

Crew Chief Eric: Well, he must’ve spent it on something because you didn’t get your day one t shirt that you were supposed to get as a reservation holder.

Crew Chief Brad: Did you get it as a reservation holder or after you place your order?

Crew Chief Eric: No, you were supposed to get it when you placed your reservation. Oh, I didn’t get anything.

That’s what we were told. Remember, you were all upset about that.

Crew Chief Brad: It wouldn’t fit me now anyway. I don’t know what happened to my t shirt.

Crew Chief Eric: You know what’s funny is that t shirt might be worth more than that Cybertruck allotment at this point.

Crew Chief Brad: If everybody got one and there’s like millions of people put in orders for Cybertrucks.

Executive Producer Tania: Man, those were some expensive t shirts, 100.

Crew Chief Brad: Where is your order? Have you received Dogecoin? Your limited edition Foundation Series Cybertruck is ready to order. Did

Executive Producer Tania: you say limited edition?

Crew Chief Brad: Limited edition Foundation Series. Cybertruck is ready to order. I have been spending all my time literally 24 7 for the [00:03:00] last month Trying to cancel my order and and just not having any luck Canceling my order because I got in with my deposit on day one So i’m one of like the first couple hundred as an early reservation holder.

You have been invited to order Your foundation series, Cybertruck with early access to delivery. I’m guessing that means 2027, maybe. I don’t know. It says further on that they’re delivering trucks in California and Texas, and they’re delivering as early as 2024. I don’t know, whatever. Warm

Crew Chief Eric: climates. Okay.

Yeah. Well, we’ll get into that. We’ll get into that.

Crew Chief Brad: So yeah, I need to call Tesla and get my a hundred dollars back. That’s what’s going to happen with that. So let’s dive into the showcase. If you haven’t been able to tell, we are talking about all things, Cybertruck. That’s

Crew Chief Eric: right. I am so glad you’re back.

This is going to be a hell of a winter recap. Obviously, congratulations are in order. You had your second son, you know, that’s an awesome big event in your life, but maybe not as big as getting the opportunity

Crew Chief Brad: to

Crew Chief Eric: pick up this Cybertruck.

Crew Chief Brad: Yes, yes, yes. [00:04:00]

Crew Chief Eric: So to quote Steven Izzy from our Everything I Learned From Movies episodes, what have we learned about the Cybertruck now that people are taking delivery of these things?

Crew Chief Brad: We’ve learned that they’re available, but they’re not available. Tesla really doesn’t want to sell any because they’re trying to offer you money to buy another Tesla. So you don’t sit around waiting for a cyber truck that may or may not exist. All the ones that are out there running or doing funky things like crashing and weird things like that.

All good things. Let’s start with this. You’ve got that email.

Crew Chief Eric: Does it give you any details? Are you able to go in and maybe spec it out and figure out how much it’s going to cost? Because I’ve heard some rumors about what may be the real price. is for these

Crew Chief Brad: Cybertrucks. So this one’s going to be expensive.

Your Cybertruck will be fully optioned. It will include limited edition laser etched badging, premium accessories, charging equipment with PowerShare home backup hardware, all terrain tires, full self driving [00:05:00] capability.

Executive Producer Tania: Wait, all terrain tires?

Crew Chief Brad: All terrains.

Executive Producer Tania: She

Crew Chief Eric: got hung up on all

Executive Producer Tania: terrain

Crew Chief Eric: tires?

Executive Producer Tania: Wait, what do we mean?

The tires that can’t get up a hill in the woods? Or when there’s like snow?

Crew Chief Brad: Be the ones. I don’t know which all terrain tires they are offering, but they’re probably not Duratrax, which means they’re probably not very good. Don’t ruin it for everybody. But here’s the part I thought Tanya would have honed in on.

Self driving capability.

Crew Chief Eric: That’s what I thought too. She got hung up on these all terrain tires. I wasn’t listening

Crew Chief Brad: Full self driving capability that will need to be recalled before I even take delivery. Yeah, because that’s false advertising So maybe I should take this email and just sue tesla.

Executive Producer Tania: Well, the lawsuit’s not over yet That’s why that’s why they can still use it I guess

Crew Chief Brad: but still

Crew Chief Eric: no talk about

Crew Chief Brad: what it costs Well, I can continue to my account.

I haven’t logged into this in like three years, four years, maybe five. When was it first announced?

Executive Producer Tania: Like 15 years ago with that

Crew Chief Brad: steampunk kind of like cyberpunk.

Executive Producer Tania: Wasn’t it in the year before [00:06:00] COVID? The year 2000. And the time before?

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, it was like in the before times. Yeah. It was like in the November. BC

Executive Producer Tania: before COVID.

Yeah.

Crew Chief Brad: Before COVID. I was working at that terrible mortgage company. Oh

Crew Chief Eric: man, that was a while ago then. Yeah, 2019. Jeez, five years since you put this deposit down. And the one thing that makes your particular deposit special is you actually went full in on the tri motor version of this thing. So it is like the upper echelon of Cybertrucks if it ever comes to fruition.

Crew Chief Brad: That’s why it’s the top of the line limited edition. Some or other. Limited

Crew Chief Eric: to

Crew Chief Brad: somebody. Limited to my imagination.

Crew Chief Eric: What I’ve read is They had all these bargain basement prices. Oh, you can get a cyber truck. It’s going to be the cheapest truck in town. Blah, blah, blah. 30, 000. You know, all these numbers that you never sure.

It’s sort of like Christmas time where they double the price and then put it on sale 50 percent off. One of those kinds of deals. But I’m reading over a hundred grand for these things.

Crew Chief Brad: So the all wheel [00:07:00] drive foundation series tri motor. Fully loaded 99, 990 before taxes. Yeah. Well, they lost the tax credit, didn’t they?

So you can’t get that. You can get the cyber beast. I can upgrade if I wanted to, to the cyber beast for 119, 990. Stop playing games. Tesla a hundred thousand dollars or 120, 000 is dropping that 10 off does not make it any better. I apparently had very lofty goals for my income when I put the order in on this truck, I will tell you

Crew Chief Eric: what.

But, but let’s put that in perspective though. We already know that pickup trucks are expensive to begin with, but how much truck, real truck can you buy for a hundred grand these days?

Crew Chief Brad: I mean, you can get a fully optioned out. Diesel 3500 dually or something like that. F 250 King Ranch or something like that.

Crew Chief Eric: Talk about a beast. That’s a real beast compared to this thing. And we’ll get into more of these [00:08:00] specifics of what’s working and what’s not with the Cybertruck here as we’ve learned in doing this research. I’m not even done.

Executive Producer Tania: But wait, there’s more! Call now!

Crew Chief Brad: So yeah, 100, 000 or 120, 000. You can add the range extender for 16, 000.

So it’s 116, 000 or 136,

000

Crew Chief Brad: for any of the tri motor versions. Uh, what percentage APR these days? Car loans are for excellent credits and like the five to 7 percent range, something like that, and it only goes up from there. Still a lot. Well, you financed it for 30 years, like a mortgage.

Crew Chief Eric: I mean, when you’re talking six figure cars.

Crew Chief Brad: So, okay. Yeah. The interest rate would be 6. 59%. You can do up to 84 months. With a 4, 500 down payment, your monthly payment for seven years

Crew Chief Eric: on a

Crew Chief Brad: truck that probably won’t last two years is 1, 500. Tesla not only does their own insurance, but I think they do their own financing too.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, they also do some other [00:09:00] financing.

Do you guys remember the Tesla Roadster and the thousand people that put money down on that thing like 10 years ago? If you do the math on that, it’s like a cool quarter million dollars they got tax free.

Executive Producer Tania: What kind of scheme is it? The Like, does it have a name where you get people to put deposits down and you get a million people to put a hundred dollars down and then you use that money to finance yourself and don’t give them anything?

Crew Chief Brad: I believe that’s called a sweepstakes. So this is the Tesla model. We’ve got this great idea. We can’t afford to build it, so we’re going to sell it now, and then we’re going to use the funds from the sale to build it, and then we’re going to come up with another idea, and we’re going to sell that, we’re going to sell the idea, and then use those funds to build this other idea.

Crew Chief Eric: I figured it out. It’s like the Fyre Festival. Everybody putting all this money.

Crew Chief Brad: Yes, yes. Some

Crew Chief Eric: people got t shirts. Tesla is the

Crew Chief Brad: Fyre Festival of the automotive world. I love it. Like Eric said, the Ponzi scheme,

Crew Chief Eric: all of it’s vaporware. So how many Tesla [00:10:00] roadsters are going to get built? Do you think,

Crew Chief Brad: well, the Tesla roadsters are funding the cyber truck.

Crew Chief Eric: Can you put your deposit down yet? A thousand people or something put down deposits on those things. And how many years ago was that? We’re talking about the lasers and the cannons and it’s gonna be 0 to 60 in 1. 9 seconds. It’s gonna be the fastest car to play. Remember that episode we did season one, Brad, like five years ago with Bobby Parks.

And he was talking about how they were going to go drag racing with the Tesla Roadster. And I’m like, yeah, okay. I didn’t believe it then. And we’re all cautiously optimistic, but it’s literally been five years. It’s never going

Executive Producer Tania: to

Crew Chief Eric: happen. Well, we said the same thing about the Cybertruck, so.

Executive Producer Tania: Yes, but it’s also here rife with problems.

Yes.

Crew Chief Eric: So this is the Tesla Roadster Sweepstake and Cybertruck Semi Truck Program.

Executive Producer Tania: Great, if you order now, we’ll throw in

Crew Chief Brad: A windshield wiper blade.

Executive Producer Tania: Does it have

Crew Chief Eric: windshield wipers?

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, it’s got that one, it’s got that one giant windshield wiper.

Executive Producer Tania: Large one. That wiper blade keeps giving them issues. [00:11:00]

Crew Chief Eric: Something so basic.

Executive Producer Tania: And remember I said blade, not

Crew Chief Eric: blades. It’s that six foot windshield wiper.

Executive Producer Tania: They’re delaying Cybertruck orders because the windshield wiper doesn’t work.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, it also takes 37 menu clicks to turn it on. They don’t want you to use it. That’s why it’s buried so far down in the menu. Just

Executive Producer Tania: the supply chain quality issue on the wiper motors.

They’re failing. Nobody. Well, you have to

Crew Chief Eric: imagine the torque put on that wiper motor with a single arm that’s like six feet long and then the air resistance. How big is that motor that’s got to move that thing?

Executive Producer Tania: I didn’t do the engineering calcs.

Crew Chief Brad: It’s a 2. 3 liter EcoBoost.

Crew Chief Eric: Just to move the windshield wiper.

It does remind me having seen it in person. If you remember the 190E and some of the other Mercedes of that time period, in like the late 80s, early 90s. Some of them had like that big scissor wiper.

Executive Producer Tania: Honda Civic had that.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, but they also had a single wiper [00:12:00] blade on the Mercedes and it was massive. It worked then, I guess.

Okay, so we confirmed that. It has side mirrors now. It doesn’t have lasers or sharks with lasers. It kind of looks like a shark toy with lasers on it in a way. We’ll talk about the aesthetics here as we go. We already know about the less than 10 microns of panel gap and all that stuff. We’ve reviewed that in the past.

Crew Chief Brad: Better than Legos. You know what I’m not seeing? I’m not seeing how to get my 100 back. That’s what I’m not seeing. Where’s the link for that?

Crew Chief Eric: You told the ethos, the great wide interwebs. You would give away your Cybertruck allotment for a bucket of chicken. Has anybody taken you up on this yet? I mean, come on, man.

Crew Chief Brad: No, I’ve been waiting for Mark Hewitt to give me a call and he just has not reached out. So I don’t know what’s going on with that.

Crew Chief Eric: Because he’s trying to figure out how to buy Dogecoin because even that doesn’t exist anymore.

Executive Producer Tania: Is your donation to the Tesla Corporation, is that tax deductible on your yearly taxes?

It’s

Crew Chief Brad: supposed to be fully refundable. Yeah, yeah. I, I filed it. I got the tax write off for that back in [00:13:00] 2019. I do have a correction to make though breaking news. My foundation series is not the tri motor cyber beast. Oh, it’s just dual motor. So the dual motor is a hundred thousand dollars. When the dual motor was supposed to be 80, 000 when they first announced it.

Crew Chief Eric: Do we have a countdown timer for this like we did with the DeLorean? Remember that? That we need the same thing for you.

Crew Chief Brad: Oh, the stopwatch was stopped back in 2019 because I’m not actually ever going to pick up one of these fucking things.

Crew Chief Eric: No, because you want a bucket of chicken for this.

Crew Chief Brad: Yes, I want a bucket of chicken.

I will even take a bucket 2019. You know what? No. I want, when it was first announced, one of the day one Popeye’s had that chicken sandwich that was sold out and people were like stabbing each other for them. I want one of those. Give me one of those Popeye’s chicken sandwiches and you can have my 100.

Crew Chief Eric: So you’re saying that’s worth more than your Cybertruck allotment? I don’t

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, yes, yes, exactly.

Crew Chief Eric: Even if you did get your cyber truck, I’m going to convince you to buy this thing by the time it’s over, right? This [00:14:00] is like our little, what should I buy here? You’re not going to convince my

Crew Chief Brad: wallet

Crew Chief Eric: to buy it.

You only get one car to buy them. It’s a cyber truck,

Executive Producer Tania: but you only get one car to buy it. It’s a cyber truck. I guess I’m riding my bicycle

Crew Chief Eric: cyber bike. Think of the mulch you can haul or you can’t haul. Apparently we’ll talk about that too. If you did take delivery of this thing, let’s say you set up all the financing and you’re making your payments and all this kind of stuff.

And you could, I got my cyber truck and you decide in three months, you want to get rid of it. There was a bunch of, again, shenanigans are the words I’m going to use here about whether or not you could actually. Unload the car, trade it in, get rid of it, sell it. Were you going to get sued? Aren’t you going to get sued?

I still don’t know the answer to this.

Crew Chief Brad: I don’t know either. I would assume you would get sued, but it depends. I think if you try to flip it for more than you paid, like if I took it to CarMax and said, Hey, will you take this? First of all, they won’t take it. But second of all, If CarMax was to take it, I certainly wouldn’t get market value.

I’d get below market value for it. So I don’t think Tesla would have a problem with that. I think they’re trying [00:15:00] to stop the people that are taking their day one investment and flipping it to somebody else for 150, 000, 200, 000.

Crew Chief Eric: They just sold one at Mecum and it came in at 105, 000, which is just Barely over sticker.

And I’m like,

Crew Chief Brad: wow. Okay. Which is what I was hoping to do until I couldn’t even get it, uh, bought a good chicken for it.

Crew Chief Eric: You mentioned before that they’re offering people a thousand bucks to change their reservations over. Is that in the system? Can you do that now? Can you convert that to a Tesla model three reservation instead?

Crew Chief Brad: Not anymore. I could only have done that by end of year last year.

Crew Chief Eric: That’s really timely too because they just announced that they’re going to be restyling the Model 3. So if you missed that window and said, you know what, the heck with the Cybertruck. I want to get that new Model 3 that’s coming out. Now you’re sort of stuck.

But with, again, what you got, uh, okay. So that’s out the window. That’s no fun. You can’t sell it. You can’t get a thousand bucks for it. You can’t get the economic rebate from the government for

Crew Chief Brad: it. The price went up because of [00:16:00] inflation from the day they announced it. Exactly. Exactly. What’s he going to do?

What are you to do?

Crew Chief Eric: Well, you’re going to buy a bucket of chicken because you’re hungry, but nobody’s going to give it to you for that cyber trick. A lot. I mean, we’ve established that

Crew Chief Brad: I’m going to get my a hundred dollars back and then I’m going to buy a hundred dollars worth of chicken and I’m going to share it with my closest friends.

Crew Chief Eric: And I think this next article sort of. It’s this idea right on the head, which is the cyber truck is just another bloated EV that misses the point of being green transportation. And this is written by like an it blog or whatever. And so they’re comparing the cyber truck to the F 1T and all this kind of stuff.

I have this like Dodoi moment when I look at this, because it is not functional. And this does give us an opportunity to talk about the aesthetics of the truck. You see the videos like on YouTube and stuff. I don’t know what to think. I don’t know who to believe when people say, Oh, it’s so amazing. It looks so good.

What do you consider ugly? Right? I guess I need to phrase it that way because I don’t see the beauty. I can understand someone in the art community trying to explain to me [00:17:00] why you bism and all the Picasso and the melting clocks and all this stuff is beautiful. Okay, great. But I don’t see the beauty in this thing.

Crew Chief Brad: I think beautiful is The wrong word. There’s nothing beautiful about it. There are very few cars these days that are beautiful.

Crew Chief Eric: But why would you buy this thing? Is it just ironic? Is it like those memes that I don’t understand?

Crew Chief Brad: Because in that very peak, it looks like it’s got a lot of headroom for the driver.

That’s all I care about.

Crew Chief Eric: Have you seen anybody say that? sit in it.

Crew Chief Brad: No.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s like a Supra. You’re on the slope side of the roof. So there is no headroom. Oh, well, that’s dumb. It’s so weird. I don’t even know how you see out of these. I don’t get it.

Crew Chief Brad: And so when you flip it over, you can spin it around when you flip it on the trail.

So

Crew Chief Eric: yeah, it’s just another bloated truck.

Crew Chief Brad: Evie bloated Evie. Yeah. Not good as a truck. There’s not good as an Evie. What is it good as?

Crew Chief Eric: Well, I don’t know, because let’s talk about that all wheel drive system and those fabulous all terrain tires that Tanya got so excited about. Bye. Have you seen these videos of the [00:18:00] few Cybertrucks that are out in the snow?

None, I haven’t

Crew Chief Brad: seen the ones of the snow, but I saw the one that wrecked. That was a while ago,

Crew Chief Eric: but these ones in the snow, I mean, you can see the all wheel drive trying to do something. There’s definitely some latency from front to back, because obviously the systems aren’t connected. It’s not like Quattro or like a Jeep or something like that.

There’s no mechanical all wheel drive here. It’s all digital, right? These all terrain tires must be slicks because they don’t work. And then the hilarious video was over on Jalopnik, and this Cybertruck gets pulled out by like a regular F 350. Looked like he was just off the showroom, like nothing special.

It’s not like he had a lift kit, you know, 93 inch tires with Bigfoot knobs on them or something. He just pulled the Cybertruck out. And the Cybertruck’s not light by any stretch of the imagination, but That’s something to be said, too. You have a heavy vehicle in the snow, it should kind of like, let’s say, push itself down into the ground.

If you have decent tires, you should be able to get around, but it can’t get out of its own way.

Crew Chief Brad: It looks like snow and ice is stuck in the grooves of the tires, so basically you’ve created a slick. I’m assuming it doesn’t have a low range transfer case?

Crew Chief Eric: Why would it? [00:19:00] It’s all digital, right? There’s no real all wheel drive system in there.

I know, I know.

Crew Chief Brad: I bet an Audi could get out of that hole.

Crew Chief Eric: I mean, that second video, Where he’s kind of going up the driveway backends, like fishtailing and stuff. And it’s just trying to crab walk its way up to your point. I think a Audi could do that. My Jeep could definitely do that. There’s a lot of other four wheel drive vehicles that could do it.

So you’re paying all this extra money for dual motor, tri motor, whatever. For what? To have a bunch of extra stuff in the rain? This thing could be front wheel drive and I guess it’d be like the new Aztec, I guess.

Crew Chief Brad: To be fair, a lot of vehicles would get stuck like that, though. It depends on how you’re driving it.

It depends on if you’ve got a low range. I think your Jeep’s got a four low that you can put it in, which is, it’s different gearing and changes the power delivery, which is necessary in snow and stuff like that. You know what? This reminds me of on Top Gear, they used to make fun of the BMW X5s. Yeah.

Because the all wheel drive system in those was not very good. If they had appropriate tires, or maybe they should put chains on their tires.

Crew Chief Eric: Kind of defeats the

Crew Chief Brad: purpose, though. My truck would probably look like [00:20:00] that. With an empty bed, with no weight over the rear. I guess the battery’s in the rear. I’m not impressed, though.

Crew Chief Eric: And I don’t think a lot of people are. And you know what else really isn’t impressive? We’ve talked about it many times before, which are these Stupid drag races. Tesla versus the world. And this latest one is just, I don’t even know what to say. It’s just a spectacle. I also heard that it was a complete farce and it’s mostly produced and or staged.

So it’s a cyber truck that’s trailering a 911. Drag racing a 911. And what am I supposed to take away from this?

Executive Producer Tania: Who won?

Crew Chief Eric: Well, who do you think won?

Executive Producer Tania: And they were doing a what? Quarter mile?

Crew Chief Eric: Quarter mile drag race.

Executive Producer Tania: I would assume an electric vehicle can get up to the quarter mile faster.

Crew Chief Eric: But again, what is the point?

Who cares?

Executive Producer Tania: It wasn’t even a tea can?

Crew Chief Eric: No! It was a regular gas 911.

Crew Chief Brad: Both are base level 911 Carreras. So no additional power or anything like that. It’s just a base 911. Which is still no slouch. It’s 350, 400 horsepower in the base level 911. So. Tesla and Porsche go [00:21:00] back and forth all the time with who’s better.

I don’t know why.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, but you don’t see a 911 towing a Model 3 or a take hand towing a Model 3. It doesn’t make any sense.

Executive Producer Tania: Cayenne.

Crew Chief Brad: So that’s what they should have done. That’s what Porsche needs to come back with, with a Cayenne Turbo towing a Model 3.

Crew Chief Eric: And blowing this thing out of the water. Publicity stunt for the sake of publicity stunts, to me, it doesn’t make any sense.

It’s just another stupid Tesla drag race, as far as I’m concerned. Yep. No, stupid drag race, But this time, the Tesla loses? Loser! Loser! Was this an off road drag race? It was. Between an F 150 Lightning and a Cybertruck. And the Lightning leaves the Cybertruck in the dust. I mean, the sand.

Executive Producer Tania: I was gonna say, he dusted him.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, he dusted him good. Real good.

Executive Producer Tania: Oh, well, you know, the tires are the problem, the supply chain, the manufacturer of the rubber.

Crew Chief Eric: That Tesla got a head start, but that lightning came up quick. It just called it a day.

Executive Producer Tania: Maybe it’s just the way because when you video wheels and [00:22:00] stuff, it almost looks like the rear of the F 150 actually locks up and he’s just dragging the rear wheel.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s the camera. I could watch this video all day long and repeat. It is just fantastic. I love the guy With the American flag, like,

yeah, yeah,

Crew Chief Eric: yeah, absolutely love it. Oh, that’s good stuff.

Crew Chief Brad: Which is a better run company, Tesla

Crew Chief Eric: or General Motors? Notice that there was not a Chevy Silverado in this drag race.

It was a Ford. That is true.

Executive Producer Tania: Now, the more interesting thing. So Motor Trends has done a comparison test before you read the answer between the. Cybertruck, the Rivian R1T, and the F 150 Lightning. Which truck do you think came out on top?

Crew Chief Eric: I’m gonna take a wild stab here.

Executive Producer Tania: And of course they looked at the real world mileage, towing, they looked at off road capability.

[00:23:00] Acceleration, they did some like figure eight tests.

Crew Chief Eric: How many Porsches were they towing in this exercise?

Executive Producer Tania: They towed some 3, 200 almost pound camper trailer.

Crew Chief Brad: All right. The real question is who comes in second.

Executive Producer Tania: Okay. Because we

Crew Chief Brad: already know who comes in first.

Executive Producer Tania: No, who do you think comes in first? Go bottom up.

Who’s number three?

Crew Chief Eric: I think the Lightning is at the bottom. Oh, I was going to put the Lightning at top. No, we already know the Lightning’s second. It sucks at towing. Like we’ve seen those real life tests with the guys with the campers and all that stuff. I think that’s at the bottom. We

Crew Chief Brad: haven’t seen a real life test with the Cybertruck of the Rivian.

Crew Chief Eric: No, it’s towed a 9 11. That’s all we needed to know. It beat a 9 11 towing a 9 11.

Crew Chief Brad: You can tow a 9 11 down a quarter mile, not 300 miles down the interstate.

Crew Chief Eric: How far is your home depot from your house?

Crew Chief Brad: About 4. 5 miles.

Crew Chief Eric: There you go. That’s as far as you need to go.

Crew Chief Brad: But then can you shovel mulch over the side?

Executive Producer Tania: You laugh, but in the cargo carrying category, I will say this. They commented that the Cybertruck, you can’t easily shovel mulch out [00:24:00] over the side rails, as you can in other trucks. Boom,

Crew Chief Eric: mulch. I’ve never seen anybody shovel mulch out of their truck. Is that a thing? Like, all these guys with their pristine bed liners.

I’m like, you buy bag mulch. Come on.

Executive Producer Tania: I don’t think they actually put mulch in these. I think it’s just a funny way of saying, like, the way that the bed sides are angled. It’s Not really great for getting stuff out. Anyway, so you think number three is the lightning, so who do we think is number two?

Crew Chief Eric: I don’t want it to be the Rivian.

Is this one of those, like, it’s slanted in favor of the Cybertruck because everybody’s given it so much grief?

Executive Producer Tania: Who

Crew Chief Eric: do you

Executive Producer Tania: think is number

Crew Chief Eric: two? I’m gonna roll hard. I’m gonna take a chance. And say the Rivian beat the Tesla.

Crew Chief Brad: I have to abstain from voting because I saw the results.

Executive Producer Tania: Oh, dang. All right, so what, what happened?

The Rivian is number one in this comparison, followed by the Cybertruck, and then followed by the F 150 Lightning.

Crew Chief Eric: Logic prevails.

Yes. So [00:25:00] what I learned from this, just from this opening picture, cause I didn’t scroll any further than that. I didn’t realize the headlights are in that gap, which I assume is a panel gap between the front nose and whatever that thing they call a bumper is at the bottom. Like, so that streak of light across the front,

Crew Chief Brad: that’s a daytime running light.

Exactly. I thought that was the headlights. That’s probably dumb. Oh my god, that makes the truck even stupider.

Crew Chief Eric: So ugly. And then, now that I’m scrolling down, this is the first time I’ve gotten a very clear picture of the wiper blade.

Executive Producer Tania: Oh, so speaking of the wiper blade.

Crew Chief Eric: What does that wipe? Your ass. How does

Executive Producer Tania: this work?

I thought it, Brad said it. Here you go. Commenting on Tesla. Tesla presents a curve that’s so steep, a new driver venturing into a big puddle will learn that with the wheels and windshield so far forward, visibility can be completely obscured by the splash of potentially muddy water. A terrible time to learn the two step process.

For [00:26:00] activating the Giga Wiper, thumb the tiny button on the steering wheel with the windshield washer icon. Then look down and choose your wiper setting from a pop up menu on the screen.

Crew Chief Eric: Wow.

Executive Producer Tania: It got really poor marks in terms of like visibility. Apparently you can’t see out of the thing.

Crew Chief Eric: They summarize it in two words.

It says further in the article. Bunker visibility.

Oh, this is terrible. I also like the other comment in the con column. Cosplay quote unquote off road tires.

Executive Producer Tania: Apparently they were horrible. They mudded up immediately and it went like spinning and sliding. Whereas like the Rivian and the Ford on their like, Whatever normal street tires were, it was like, fine.

And Cooper’s

Crew Chief Eric: that they got, you know, like whatever. I also like the borderline dangerous secondary trolls.

Executive Producer Tania: Yeah. Like that windshield wiper, like there’s a reason why, and it goes [00:27:00] back to the manufacturers now also backpedaling on the whole infotainment. Let’s control everything with. this big huge iPad in the middle of your console.

The tactile, the levers behind the steering wheel, knobs that you can intuitively just reach for, feel, and you don’t have to look at them. I shouldn’t have to divert my eyes to use my windshield wipers. I should just be able to flick. They’re on. Immediately.

Crew Chief Eric: I feel like the Cybertruck is this giant social experiment.

We’re gonna throw the craziest crap at this and then see how people react to it. Who’s the engineer that said, you know what? I’m gonna make the windshield wiper work like this. Let’s see what they think about. Like the whole truck is here. Hold my beer. Right? It makes no sense. But again, these are some of the clearest pictures I’ve gotten of the windshield wiper, the side mirrors, the headlights, some other things about the truck.

And what’s also fun about the picture of the Cybertruck just above the pro and con column, look how gross that is. I

Executive Producer Tania: just, I [00:28:00] I was just like shit. Yeah, it looks dirty.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s awful. Like disgusting.

Executive Producer Tania: It looks like, you know, you haven’t washed your car in a month and it gets that grime. That’s like streaking down the sides.

I’m

like,

Executive Producer Tania: just go look at your stainless steel. Appliances in your kitchen,

Crew Chief Eric: come on. And that roof line, I mean, it looks like combination Frank Lloyd Wright meets a kindergartner. Like, who wants their car to look like a house in profile? Like, it doesn’t make sense. I could make something less angular out of Legos.

And with better precision, as we know, than this Cybertruck. Like, oh God, it’s terrible.

Executive Producer Tania: See, it’s all misunderstood. The problem is the type of stainless steel they have chosen is magnetic, has slight magnetism to it. Therefore, the metal fallout from everywhere, be it brake dust, Passing a railroad track, factories, they’re sprinkling little metal pieces that are attracted to [00:29:00] the stainless steel body panels and then they get attached there and that metal is what’s rusting.

Lies. Not the actual Cybertruck.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, flag on the play. I call bullshit.

Executive Producer Tania: So even normal painted cars. Have this problem. What

Crew Chief Brad: I call bullshit. Cause there’s nothing that’s attracted to the cyber truck. All right.

Executive Producer Tania: Just go get some barkeepers friend and just polish your thing all the time.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. I guess you can’t use like Google on or whatever that the bug stuff is to get rid of it.

We

Crew Chief Eric: just take this back to basics. The whole point of stainless steel is that it’s not supposed to rust. The fact that it’s rusting indicates to me that it’s not stainless steel.

Executive Producer Tania: It’s the stainless steel itself is not rusting.

Crew Chief Brad: It’s the metal that attaches to it.

Executive Producer Tania: There are deposits of metal that are falling onto the stainless steel body and getting stuck there.

And those little pieces of metal are what is rusting and creating [00:30:00] the little orange flecks everywhere.

Crew Chief Brad: Are we on that game show to tell a lie? We’re going to tell you three statements. Two of these are true. Yeah. One is a lie.

Crew Chief Eric: Two truths and a lie. Yeah, this is like, wait, wait, don’t tell me now, right? I mean, this is insane.

Crew Chief Brad: Did DeLorean have these problems?

Executive Producer Tania: Apparently they did change their grade of stainless steel at one point to make it more repelling, less magnetic. I don’t know enough about DeLorean’s history because I’ve never heard, but again, the community is very small. So who’s to say?

Crew Chief Eric: So is the Cybertruck community.

It’s getting smaller every day. It’s getting smaller and smaller. Based on precedent, on all the other things we’ve learned about Tesla, and all the other adventures that we’ve been on through TeslaGate over the years. I don’t

Executive Producer Tania: know what to believe.

Crew Chief Eric: Exactly. And it will come to pass in several years that It’s really actually brushed sheet metal posing as stainless steel and the cars are rusting full stop

Executive Producer Tania: Regardless if I paid a hundred thousand dollars for it.

I don’t know put an effing clear coat on the stainless steel

Crew Chief Brad: You think no, you just put a [00:31:00] wrap on it

Executive Producer Tania: defeat the purpose again We’re happy to offer you that as an extra fee, there must’ve been something they could have sealed the panels with to prevent this, if it’s truly the industrial fallout.

Crew Chief Eric: They could have used great stuff because the doors leak like every other Tesla does.

Right. The point is more of these issues are coming out. Like we’ve said, it was kind of rushed to production

Executive Producer Tania: rushed. Has it been in product? Has it been trying to build for like a decade?

Crew Chief Brad: Wow. Rushed. We’ve

Executive Producer Tania: been rushing it for a decade.

Crew Chief Eric: Two lies and a truth. Well, there

Crew Chief Brad: you go. Two truths and a lie. That was clearly the truth.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s unbelievable as it is.

Executive Producer Tania: No, wait, you have to go back to Brad’s foundation edition. You haven’t talked about the range it’s going to get.

Crew Chief Brad: This says all prices are shown without incentives or estimated 8, 400.

Executive Producer Tania: Wait, you’re only going to save for seven years? You’re And then the gas car is, [00:32:00] what? Yeah,

Crew Chief Brad: because it says a Cybertruck is 900 estimated electricity per year, versus a gasoline car is 2, 100 estimated gas costs at 13, 000 miles, 330 a gallon.

Okay. Okay. Let’s stop right there. 20 miles per gallon. Hold

Crew Chief Eric: on. Yeah, all that stuff. That’s great. That’s well and good. But imagine this. You fit in a GR Corolla, right? I do not have any answer for that.

Executive Producer Tania: They’re going to compare it against an F 150, triple duty, quad cab, dendonburg, king range.

Crew Chief Eric: Shenanigans.

Okay. But what I’m saying is for the rest of us normal humans, especially. Especially those of us that are automotive enthusiasts listening to this, the GR series cars are hot. Whether you’re into the 86 or the super or the Corolla or the Yaris or any of those, let’s just say Toyota’s the place to go if you want a hot hatch or a sports car right now from the not American market.

So let’s just say you pick up a Corolla for 40 grand, Cybertruck’s a hundred. You can’t tow anything with either of them. You can actually probably get more in the [00:33:00] back of that Corolla hatchback than the Cybertruck, right? How much are you actually spending on gas after seven years on a GR Corolla? Even if you bought that special, what is it, the Mitsano edition or whatever that thing is that they have, the special one, add another 10 grand to it, you’re still going to come out on top with a gas car.

It’s sort of like when we would debate diesel versus gas. And people were like, I’m not buying a diesel truck because there’s a 20, 000 tax on it. And I’m never going to recoup the amount of diesel because diesel is more expensive, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this kind of stuff. I’m wondering if this debate about some of these EVs, especially really expensive ones like this, kind of come out in the wash in the same way.

It’s diesel versus gas all over again. Is it really worth buying the EV? When you can buy, let’s say a couple year old off lease Mercedes Benz that’s depreciated, have a really nice car, money left over, how much gas are you going to buy in that seven year period? Let’s say if you own a Mercedes.

Executive Producer Tania: There’s a gentleman out there in the world who also, I guess, put a day one [00:34:00] reservation in and has his foundation edition Cybertruck, decided to take it on a 27 hour.

1, 340 mile road trip from Austin, Texas to California, and he had to stop 12 times to recharge it.

Crew Chief Brad: At 30 minutes of charge, that’s, wow, an additional six hours. I’m assuming

Executive Producer Tania: you took longer than 27 hours then?

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah,

Executive Producer Tania: I mean that’s like a hundred and eleven miles per chart like what

Crew Chief Brad: yeah, that’s not good. That is terrible so here it says 318 mile range estimated or 340 mile range with the all season tires which are available to purchase So those trucks that you saw may not even have the all terrain, they may just have all seasons.

Oh man. Which are not good anyway.

Executive Producer Tania: And also apparently the truck doesn’t fit well to the charger, and so it basically maxes out the cable length. The Tesla chargers barely reach. Charge port. So you have that to contend with. Also, you better back it up [00:35:00] real close.

Crew Chief Brad: That’s like the people that pull into the gas station on the wrong side of the pump and then they’re dragging it around the side of their car trying to pump it because they don’t feel like moving their car.

Been there, done that. And then the towing capacity. I thought it was supposed to be over 20, 000 pounds towing. It’s only 11. My current truck gets 9, 900. Then there’s plenty of other pickups that can do 10, pounds. Yeah. How about anything? Diesel can do easily 15, 20.

Crew Chief Eric: So Brad, do you remember when we gave you the option, you know, when you’re still trying to sell, well, Oh wait, you are still trying to sell your cyber truck allotment.

When we talked about the Plyber truck, do you remember that one?

Crew Chief Brad: Yes, the one that was built on an MDX.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was quality, right? It was, yeah, quality. It was Ikea quality. Dude, those panel gaps were really, really nice. Okay, you remember we’ve talked before. There’s been other people that have made cars out of wood, right?

That guy that, you know, restored his Doshibo out of wood. There’s a guy that made a Ferrari out of wood. And, but there’s [00:36:00] this dude in Vietnam that seems to just have a real knack for building replicas of vehicles. He’s at it again, and he built a wooden Cybertruck. I don’t know what it’s based on, but he said he was going to send it to Elon because quote, I am aware that Tesla has faced its share of challenges in bringing the Cybertruck to fruition.

However, I maintain unwavering faith in your vision and capabilities of Tesla. I hope to have the honor of gifting this wooden Cybertruck to you and Tesla to wish you and Tesla continued success and to maintain your position in the international arena. This guy’s super nice. He spent 15 grand on this thing.

It looks

Crew Chief Brad: better than the real thing. Oh my God. He built a wooden ATV with it.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, man. Guy’s legit.

Crew Chief Brad: It’s tube frame. This thing’s awesome. I would pay 15 grand for this as a side by side. That’s the real Plybertruck right there.

Crew Chief Eric: Here’s the deal. Elon actually responded to this guy and Tanya, would you like to tell the audience what [00:37:00] he said?

He has these eloquent emails that he sent out that have been leaked to the public and things like he’s, you know, He’s got a great way of presenting things. He

Crew Chief Brad: has a way with words. I will say

Crew Chief Eric: that. Absolutely. Marketing genius. So what did he say in response to this gentleman?

Executive Producer Tania: Sure. Much appreciated.

Crew Chief Eric: I was surprised you didn’t go here, Tanya, but we’re gonna go here now because his reaction was so benign.

Sure. Much appreciated. Because what he should have really said is what he said on Twitter.

Executive Producer Tania: What was that in response to? I don’t even remember because it could have applied to so many things. It

Crew Chief Eric: was stupid and it went viral. I forget what it was and he responded to some It was some interview or something and he told the guy to go F himself and I’m just like But it was on Twitter, which is a platform that everybody’s been bailing ship like rats off the Titanic I don’t really care, but I thought it was hilarious.

Go Elon.

Executive Producer Tania: Whoo cares.

Crew Chief Brad: He was responding to advertisers boycotting X

Executive Producer Tania: That’s a good way to get your advertisers back

Crew Chief Brad: X gonna give it to you. That’s the marketing campaign right there X gonna give it to you

Executive Producer Tania: X

Crew Chief Eric: marks the spot a man with [00:38:00] so many things to say then that’s it I mean this guy went out of his way to build this beautiful Plymouth truck All jokes aside, it is really nice.

Crew Chief Brad: What he should do is share with Elon Musk, his manufacturing process. Cause a hundred days, I feel like that’s going to beat cyber truck manufacturing in Duluth times. It looks really good too. I would totally buy it. It looks kind of small though, but it looks good. I like it. I think it’s the scale.

Crew Chief Eric: I think it’s that it’s not stainless steel, that it looks smaller than it really is, and because it’s not stainless steel, you know what else it has going for it?

No smudge marks and you can clean it with pledge.

Crew Chief Brad: It’s a modern day Morgan. Lemony fresh. Yes, lemony fresh.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, Brad, you know, when you do take delivery of your Cybertruck, you’re gonna have to celebrate. Celebrate my ass. I would celebrate with a divorce if I take delivery of this truck. You’re gonna celebrate something one way or the other.

So let’s just say you need to celebrate with a case. of cyber beer.

Crew Chief Brad: Oh my God, the angles on that bottle,

Crew Chief Eric: right? [00:39:00] According to this, it says Tesla super fans are complaining about the 150 cyber beer, calling it hot garbage and posting pictures of rusty bottle caps. It does look like complete swill.

Crew Chief Brad: It looks like someone pissed on a bottle.

Crew Chief Eric: Let’s say you’re partying a little too hard in your garage by yourself.

Crew Chief Brad: Well, then your cyber truck can drive you home.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, yeah, that’s true. Self driving until

Crew Chief Brad: it runs into a wall or a fire truck.

Crew Chief Eric: Did you know, if you spill your beer on your cyber truck, you can now get renewed. Cyber shield cleaned it up with?

Wow. I mean, I would have just gone with Windex.

Executive Producer Tania: Oh no, stainless steel, barkeeper’s friend. Yeah, barkeeper’s friend.

Crew Chief Eric: That’s what you should use on them. But no, special cyber shield. But the big question is, and this next article had me laughing, and I thought of Tanya when I read it. Does the cyber shield, which is a cleaning and protective layer, blah, blah, blah, all these wonderful heat protection products and chemicals we have these days, you know, graphene [00:40:00] and carbon ceramic and all this stuff.

But the question is, does it actually protect against bird shit? Because reports are coming in that bird droppings can actually ruin the stainless steel finish of the cyber truck. So Brad, you had to worry in the past about birds. Sitting on a tree ranch and pooping on your golf. Now it could burn a hole in the stainless steel of your Cybertruck.

Crew Chief Brad: How did DeLorean get away with it? None of them ran. They were all parked in garages, I guess.

Crew Chief Eric: See, you answered your own question exactly.

Crew Chief Brad: Well, then you just take it to the factory and have them replace the body panel that got damaged for thousands of dollars.

Executive Producer Tania: So what happens in the winter? Because obviously there’s bird droppings are maybe acidic or whatnot and, you know, over time could corrode or oxidize.

the stainless steel because it’s not impermeable to things, but like salt is not that good on stainless steel.

Crew Chief Eric: You get that nice crust on the salt on the stainless steel.

Executive Producer Tania: And sometimes in poor quality stainless steel, and you’ll see it in like cookware, when you throw salt in the water to boil the [00:41:00] water for pasta and things like that, you can actually Pitting that happens.

Yeah. On the bottom of the pan when you put the salt in at the improper time and things like that. So in the wintertime, when they’ve put the brine and all that stuff down on the roads and you’re driving around and you can’t wash the car right away ’cause it’s 17 degrees outside,

Crew Chief Eric: you’re gonna go out and it’s gonna be like Fred Flintstone and you’re gonna be able to see through the doors and the fdo, I mean,

Executive Producer Tania: I said it before people, you have stainless steel appliances in your home, the fridge, the stove, the dishwasher.

You get a drop of water on it, two minutes later, the thing looks like you vomited all over it. And you’re sitting there buffing it every two minutes so that it’s shiny and nice looking.

Crew Chief Eric: But you have carbon ceramic graphene shield spray on car detailers to take care of all that.

Executive Producer Tania: Okay. And then when the rock chip hits it and breaks that coating and then the surface is exposed, it can start looking like.

When your wheels pit after a while. The cancer that happens on some boot coatings.

Crew Chief Eric: To think that bird droppings could ruin the finish isn’t [00:42:00] unfathomable. That’s

Executive Producer Tania: not unheard of because droppings, if you leave it on a regular painted car, will eat through the clear coat after a while and can cause

Crew Chief Eric: Well, not only that, in talking to DeLorean owners and listening to how they do car care and stuff, there is a certain way to clean the stainless, and to your point, Barkeeper’s Friend and some other of these household cleaners is the way to go, but you also have to remember that you need to grain the stainless steel.

Executive Producer Tania: No kidding! Done in a get swirl on regular paint. Now, a Brillo pad, you see what happens if you use, like, even a soft, thing sometimes on cookware, God forbid, like you’re rubbing it with something that has some sort of grit that you don’t realize, you’re going to have massive swirl marks. It’s going

Crew Chief Eric: to look terrible.

Executive Producer Tania: Maybe all our concerns are completely unfounded and unwarranted and we just don’t know.

Crew Chief Eric: We talked about the Cybertruck and how the stainless steel and care and maintenance of all that stuff. Tesla is making this move now, and I think it’s a cost thing. Saving maneuver because painting a [00:43:00] car is actually very expensive.

People are like, ah, just paint the car and, you know, clear coat it. So paint shops can cost multiples of millions of dollars to do that. And now they’re talking about wrapping their cars coming from the factory. So you can pick a wrap, you know, whatever style you want, all this kind of thing. And reports are coming in that the wrap quality might be as bad as the paint.

Executive Producer Tania: This costs 8, 000 and that’s cheaper than a paint job. Because if you went to somebody third party and had it painted, I’d think you could paint your car for that under that.

Crew Chief Eric: But that’s with a team of folks and you got to count the labor hours and the prep time. Yeah, so

Executive Producer Tania: on your freaking assembly line, it should be more cost effective.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s cheaper to wrap because the one robot can do the whole car in one shot. They prime it, wrap it, it’s out. If you have to do multi stage painting and then the time it takes to cure the paint, Clear the paint, buff the paint, finish the paint.

Executive Producer Tania: Man, nowadays they turn around a paint job in like a frickin day.

Crew Chief Brad: And they’re terrible. If only there was a [00:44:00] car manufacturing process that really zeroed in and just had this process down of making cars mass produced and painting them and getting them through assembly and to the market really quickly. Has anybody been able to do that yet? Not in a hundred years, my friend.

Executive Producer Tania: Here you go. And this article even says you could go to a local body shop who could wrap a compact crossover car for size comparison for 3, 500. So what are they charging you for eight grand? That seems really expensive for what you’re getting.

Crew Chief Eric: Cyber wrap.

Executive Producer Tania: I’m sorry. Like I’m pretty sure the assembly line paint job would be cheaper.

Crew Chief Eric: But think about it. You can get your cyber truck wrapped. In a stainless steel wrap, then you don’t get the fingerprints on it, but it still looks the same.

Executive Producer Tania: Yeah. And then apparently people are complaining that there’s bubbles and like missing pieces to the, to the wrap. So the robots need to be Lego robots that can go to 0.

0000001 micron tolerance when they layer the wrap on your car.

Crew Chief Eric: But think about it [00:45:00] this way. If you wrap the Cybertruck, it solves the panel gap problem because you wrap right up for the gaps. And now they’re sealed, and it looks like one smooth panel. He has solved the problem. And then when you open the

Executive Producer Tania: door, the whole wrap rips apart.

Crew Chief Brad: It looks like the wraps are ripping apart anyway.

Executive Producer Tania: Well, yeah. No, no, no. It’s a distressed look.

Crew Chief Brad: Oh, it’s distressed. It’s patina.

Executive Producer Tania: It’s all the rage now. It’s antiquing. I’m going to

Crew Chief Brad: save my 8, 000. I’m going to go to Mako and I’m going to get the 350 on sale holiday paint job. God, what a mess. I’m not

Executive Producer Tania: suggesting you go that cheap on your paint job, but there’s something in between 350 and 8, 000.

Crew Chief Brad: What are we up to next? Yeah. Tesla raps about his paint job stuff.

Crew Chief Eric: So how about this? What about a Cybertruck that’s been polished to within an inch of its life?

Crew Chief Brad: Pretty

Crew Chief Eric: cool. Whoever did this, mirror like finish.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s almost camouflage when you look [00:46:00] at it. So very Wraith, stealth, Knight Rider. Is it worth 150, 000?

Is

Executive Producer Tania: it worth an extra 50, 000?

Crew Chief Brad: No.

Crew Chief Eric: How dirty does that get?

Crew Chief Brad: I don’t even know what to say. But that is how people are dealing with these cyber trucks wraps.

Crew Chief Eric: I have seen some black ones cause I guess the raptor or whatever, and they do look like the Wraith at that point. They’re, they’re pretty creepy going down the road.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: I don’t think the cyber truck looks good in any color. We can paint it blue. I mean, you paint yellow or, you know, these M and M colors that exist on, let’s say the Mopars and the Fords and stuff. There’s no way the body shape, it just doesn’t work. It is cool. It’s different. I mean, it is hyper polished.

It looks like a mirror. I don’t know that I would want that either.

Nope.

Crew Chief Eric: Shaq said he needed another car, and what did he buy? Cybertruck. See, Brad? He’s another

Executive Producer Tania: happy

Crew Chief Eric: Cybertruck

Executive Producer Tania: owner.

Crew Chief Brad: This is what irritated me.

Executive Producer Tania: However, it’s I guess a one of a kind, because it is a carbon fiber Cybertruck. So, Mr. [00:47:00] O’Neil is actually a little bit intelligent, because he went, Eh, I don’t want this stainless steel trash.

Crew Chief Eric: I will pay quadruple for carbon fiber. That’s a lot of carbon. I don’t want to

Executive Producer Tania: be out here buffing this thing.

Crew Chief Eric: It still weighs 8, 000 pounds instead of 9, 000 pounds though. They should have made the cyber truck out of carbon fiber. That would have been more cyber. That would have been more futuristic to have a street car that wasn’t a hyper car made out of carbon fiber.

Executive Producer Tania: They could have made it out of Kevlar, so the whole thing was not

Crew Chief Eric: bulletproof. Carbon Kevlar is not new. They did that in the 80s on like Audis and Ferraris and stuff.

Executive Producer Tania: Stainless steel ain’t new either, so he wasn’t going for that.

Crew Chief Eric: No, we’d straight back to the 80s on that too. It’s still ugly, but I like the red light in the front though.

Crew Chief Brad: I think it looks cool.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s murdered out.

Crew Chief Brad: I’ve seen a cyber truck like this like blacked out in my area.

Crew Chief Eric: Here, the guy wrapped it. It’s still ugly, but it looks better than the stainless.

Crew Chief Brad: It’s better than it was, but it’s still polishing a turd.

Crew Chief Eric: We’re just not happy. We’re grumpy curmudgeon screaming at the clouds.

Everybody’s going, you don’t understand why the Cybertruck is so awesome. It’s just [00:48:00] as funny as these memes.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. I think to that point, this is going to be a golden age for our show. Cause we can rag on the Cybertruck with all the new articles. about how terrible it is for years to come

Crew Chief Eric: in perpetuity.

Executive Producer Tania: How do you want to give them airtime?

Crew Chief Eric: Well, we’re going to do it for the rest of this episode. So guess what? So I’m reading about bird shit on the cyber truck and next across my desk, I get this from the onion, which I know is a farce, but it cracked me up about pressure, washing the cyber truck. And they basically CGI or AI rendered.

The Cybertruck just getting obliterated by a power washer, and I just thought it was funny.

Executive Producer Tania: The Cybertruck is obviously the new, quote, hotness. So it’s top of mind, finally after 16, 000 years, it’s in production. 16 minutes after being in production.

Crew Chief Brad: Oh my god.

Executive Producer Tania: It’s already recalled.

Crew Chief Brad: Oh my god, this is so fucking stupid.

Executive Producer Tania: And you know, it’s [00:49:00] like a silly recalled. I mean, it’s a serious. It’s a serious thing, but it’s also silly at the same time. When we’ve gone through this, we’ve seen this before. It’s the reason why all cars now have the little clips on the floor mats, is because unfortunately Toyota had to learn this painful lesson of what can happen in the footwell if something Lodges and gets the accelerator pedal stuck.

The car keeps accelerating.

Crew Chief Eric: But Tesla marches to the beat of their own drum. Just want to point out the Germans had carpet clips in the 90s. It’s not new.

Executive Producer Tania: Yes, but it wasn’t until there was a problem. Yeah, but their carpet, their

Crew Chief Brad: carpet clips cost 15, 000.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, it’s the little nubs. Underneath the carpet that have been, you know, solidly holding carpet in place for ages

Crew Chief Brad: bolted in from underneath the car.

And then the only way to get them out is engine out

Crew Chief Eric: 100 percent

Crew Chief Brad: service position for your format is engine out

Crew Chief Eric: in a beetle. Yes, everything is out in a beetle.

Executive Producer Tania: [00:50:00] Well, the sad thing is, you’d think that the little things like this, and this isn’t a format issue yet,

Crew Chief Brad: if this is worse, this is much worse. No, this is the accelerator pedal falling off issue.

Not the whole pedal though, just the cover.

Executive Producer Tania: Just the slide on cover. And apparently it’s a glue issue. The glue, the temperature, I think, something. I don’t even remember because I don’t care. They’re

Crew Chief Brad: using Elmer’s! That’s what’s wrong. Yes. They left Home Depot because shit was too expensive. They went to Target and bought Elmer’s from the school supply section.

And then they’re using that on this pedal.

Executive Producer Tania: It was back to school sales at the beginning of the year. It was discount. No tax on the glue.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. Yeah. They bought out the entire like, Southwest region,

Crew Chief Eric: it literally says on the bottle, Elmer’s blue, all it’s pretty straightforward. It glues all right. No,

Executive Producer Tania: not your, whatever this [00:51:00] accelerator pedal is even made of.

I don’t even know, probably plastic, maybe a little bit of stainless steel left over pieces that they reformed.

Crew Chief Brad: There’s no wood in there.

Executive Producer Tania: No wood in this one. I know I read somewhere that they were attributing it to in the production line, something with the temperature that he said wasn’t right. And then

Crew Chief Eric: it

Executive Producer Tania: didn’t set or something.

So basically when you’re mashing down the accelerator pedal, you end up sliding the cover off and then it jams into what would

Crew Chief Eric: be, hold on a second. What kind of troglodyte. It’s pressing the accelerator pedal like Donkey Kong.

Crew Chief Brad: Hey, hey, hey, some of us have big feet and we can’t control it.

Executive Producer Tania: No, no, no. Okay, because to the point of the Toyota incident, I am using the inappropriate rubber floor mats in one of my vehicles.

Meaning that they don’t clip in to the clips, and I am constantly actually pulling the format back sometimes while I’m driving, just [00:52:00] by virtue of my feet being there. I’m not even doing anything, but by virtue of my feet being on top of it, there’s enough I’m not pressing down on it, but it does slide forward constantly.

So I could see that a loose little bullshit cover on the pedal, especially it’s the type of pedal that’s on the floor. Then you kind of have that weird motion of you making your foot go up anyway. So. I think it would be easy to have that cover come off and then it jams into what would be the transmission tunnel if it had one, right?

So that center console piece like jams in there and it keeps the accelerator depressed and somebody apparently had it happen to them and they hit a pole with their, allegedly.

Crew Chief Eric: I thought they called that ludicrous mode.

Executive Producer Tania: I don’t know if the Cybertruck has ludicrous mode, but that was ludicrous to have happened.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, I love the fix. Can we get to the fix?

Executive Producer Tania: The fix is on par with everything, right? I mean, I personally would love to spend a hundred thousand dollars on a car to have the glue not set correctly and then have the [00:53:00] fix be a frickin rivet.

Crew Chief Eric: I would like to point out I did research. Just like the Model Y, you can go to your local Home Depot, aisle 13, bay 26, and buy a packet of rivets for like a couple

Executive Producer Tania: dollars.

Home Depot! Does a rivet work? Sure. Is it aesthetically pleasing anymore? I mean, not to say that it was to begin with without the rivet. The rivet could be an improvement. I don’t know. Or

Crew Chief Eric: for the course of the Cybertruck, but you know.

Executive Producer Tania: You just spent a hundred thousand dollars on a car and that’s how they’re gonna fix it?

They’re just gonna be like, oh yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: I mean, not to open this can of worms again, but this is what I keep saying. saying everybody oohs and ahs over these vehicles and the build quality is variable from car to car and it is not on par with the hundred year old manufacturers pick one chevy ford fiat audi volkswagen porsche it doesn’t matter

Executive Producer Tania: let’s talk about build

Crew Chief Eric: quality

Executive Producer Tania: you can’t get these wet

Crew Chief Eric: jesus

Executive Producer Tania: So they keep [00:54:00] focusing on car washes or washing your car.

But I’m like, so what happens when it rains and the car gets wet? It’s shorting out the electronics temporarily and you gotta like wait hours for it to reboot.

Crew Chief Eric: Doesn’t rain that often in California where they build the Cybertruck?

Executive Producer Tania: Well, no, they built it in Austin, didn’t they?

Crew Chief Eric: Again, does it rain in Austin?

Executive Producer Tania: Yes, it rains in Texas.

Crew Chief Eric: Lies, lies, fake news.

Executive Producer Tania: In the hill country, actually, where it’s quite green, they do get some water. Lies! And when the hurricanes come through, they get the remnants of the rain from those. At any rate, I couldn’t find it. I thought I saw something going into the whole car wash thing.

Where it’s like, don’t, don’t take it to the car wash. And make sure if you take it to the car wash that it has to be some sort of like, no drive mode or something. And it basically like, shuts down. It like, locks the charge port. It disengages. It disengages. the wipers apparently like what is what what and then it like locks the doors and all this stuff and then there’s like a [00:55:00] roll mode so it’s distant i don’t i don’t know anyway but the article was a guy i think who washed out the bed and then he ended up like bricking the truck for a while turned back on and i thought i saw something going into that Where they showed, I guess water was going under the bed somehow and then getting like stuck in frame rails or something like that.

And then I guess whatever, wiring maybe? I don’t know. Don’t quote me. I saw it briefly and I didn’t, I closed it and I don’t remember how to find the article again. But I’m just like, that’s

Crew Chief Eric: wild. You think about it. I’ve seen people wash their trucks with a power washer. Why wouldn’t you power wash a stainless steel truck?

Crew Chief Brad: Because the people that power wash their regular trucks aren’t buying cyber trucks. The people that are buying cyber trucks, they’re going to take them to their car wash down the street. They’re not going to wash it in their driveway.

Executive Producer Tania: To your point. It’s like, there’s so many other cars on the road that can get wet.

It’s not a problem. Like, I think we’ve figured out how to send a car through a car wash and not have it be catastrophic. [00:56:00] What? Again, you spent 100, 000 on a car that. You can’t get wet. You can’t drive after midnight. Like, oh, is it a gremlin? Like,

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, you don’t, you don’t get it wet after midnight. And

Crew Chief Eric: not the AMC.

Yeah. The eighties movie, the gremlin. Oh my God.

Crew Chief Brad: Who is taking their cyber truck to the car wash though? Because do you just wash stainless steel? I thought you just kind of wipe it down with a diaper or something.

Executive Producer Tania: Well, no. So if you go on Tesla’s website, there’s a whole like page scrolling of how to clean the exterior of the thing.

And it’s like, don’t use this. Don’t use that. Don’t do it in the sunlight. Don’t do it after you’ve eaten. Wait 30 minutes.

Crew Chief Brad: You can only do it on the day of the full moon in Feb, Tober. Yeah. Like

Executive Producer Tania: what? There’s like wild notes in here too. And this is. From the Tesla website. Okay, this is [00:57:00] legit stuff. Don’t use alcohol on the headlights. I’m like, why? What are the headlights made out of? Alcohol evaporates.

Crew Chief Eric: Because your beer will rust the stainless steel.

Executive Producer Tania: Ah, okay. Wrong alcohol. There was also a thing in here that was like, oh, if I could find it again, it was like, yeah, yeah, here it is. Do not aim water hoses. Okay, so like if you’re washing your car and you have the garden hose, right? It’s like don’t aim the water hose directly at the windows.

Crew Chief Eric: Wait, aren’t these those indestructible bulletproof things?

Executive Producer Tania: Windows? I can’t aim a garden hose at? Like what? Now I don’t think it’s the glass itself because then it’s The door or the hood seals.

Crew Chief Eric: I think they leak.

Executive Producer Tania: So don’t get it wet, basically.

Crew Chief Eric: There’s a higher probability of Apex seals in an RX 7 sealing better than those window seals in the Cybertruck.

Executive Producer Tania: Apparently. And then it killed me at one of the things, like the recommended way to like, to clean the stainless steel. Again, this is from Tesla.

Crew Chief Eric: Unreal.

Executive Producer Tania: I know you’ve written some [00:58:00] articles about how to clean your car, and we’ve had the wax people on. I feel like even if you’re not the most into detailing, you know this.

And given it’s stainless steel, it’s said that you use a circular motion. And I’m like, Have you ever cleaned a stainless steel pot if you have anything abrasive? A circular motion. Oh my god. I mean even on a painted car you don’t really want to use a circular motion in case there’s something gritty there because you will leave swirl marks.

You always go quote unquote with the grain so it’s less noticeable. Oh my god.

Crew Chief Eric: Since we’re talking about cleaning, I included an additional article here. It goes back to the, you know, why the trucks are rusting because it’s from February and it’s not about that. I included it because I wanted you guys to see these pictures.

I don’t know if somebody urinated on this vehicle, [00:59:00] vomited on this vehicle or what. But this is why they look terrible. Like all the pictures in this article from Wired, oh my god, this thing looks so bad. Awful. Oh yeah, no, no, no. Absolutely awful.

Executive Producer Tania: It looks like your appliance is in your Like this was the first thing I said.

Do you not know when you have water splashing like the dishwasher or your stove because it happens people you go reach for the towel that’s either hanging on your dishwasher rack or you know bar or on the stove oven door bar water hits the surface and it looks like Garbage after two seconds.

Crew Chief Eric: I will say this.

Now, this is an argument for something that I just recently tested. So if you go back into the April catalog, you’ll see that Don from Garage Style and I did an episode with Dan Williams from Owner’s Pride. And their eco wash is designed for low water conditions and all this kind of stuff, and I was like, you know, I’m going to try it because until I understand it and get a bottle and read it and kind of mess with it, I’m not [01:00:00] going to really understand how it works.

I tell you what. I think that soap is perfect for the Cybertruck, and here’s why. I did it on two different vehicles, and I was absolutely astounded by the results. Literally a cap full, and I’m talking about like a Pepsi bottle cap full that you would get on like, you know, out of the 7 Eleven case, full of this soap.

to three gallons of water. Rinse the car if you want. Don’t. It doesn’t matter. It comes out the same. I washed our van and I washed the jeep using the eco wash with only three gallons of water. I didn’t rinse the car before. Did the whole thing. Used up all three gallons of water that I had. Didn’t rinse it afterward.

It looked as clean as if I had done it the traditional way or went to the car wash. Unbelievably good. One of those things that until I tried it, I wasn’t convinced, but in the case of the Cybertruck, I could see something like EcoWash being perfect for it.

Executive Producer Tania: So there is a section on waterless wash. You got a hand wash using a non ionic pH neutral waterless wash with a high quality [01:01:00] microfiber towel.

Crew Chief Brad: It sounds like that waterless shampoo.

Crew Chief Eric: And I was thinking the same thing again, three gallons of water to a cap full of soap. I did both cars, three gallons a piece. Transcribed But I was thinking about it. If you’re in a situation in California where water conservation is important, you know, they have drought conditions.

Don’t water your lawn. Don’t use a car wash. The eco wash is perfect. But then obviously taking it to the next logical conclusion, if you really can’t get the cyber truck wet, sort of like washing a cat, I suppose this is perfect, this is something I would recommend in all seriousness to cyber truck owners to use,

Crew Chief Brad: I recommend

Crew Chief Eric: getting

Crew Chief Brad: rid of the truck,

Crew Chief Eric: or

Executive Producer Tania: you could just Spot clean using a glass cleaner and microfiber cloth.

Spray the glass cleaner and wipe in a zig

Crew Chief Eric: zag motion. Oh my god. Oh my goodness.

Executive Producer Tania: Oh.

Crew Chief Eric: So many rules with this truck. It’s wild.

Executive Producer Tania: And basically, the other rules are immediately clean the surface. So bird poops on it, pull over. Get your [01:02:00] glass cleaner and zigzag it off. Don’t want to create scratches because it’s going to scratch.

Now there is a solution to this problem.

Crew Chief Eric: Don’t buy cyberpunk. It’s called paint.

Executive Producer Tania: It’s called the 5, 000 clear coat.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh my god.

Executive Producer Tania: Why? It’s not standard.

Crew Chief Brad: You can’t rattle can it?

Executive Producer Tania: You could, why not? You could paint it. Although. It might short out. I don’t know what happens with the paint.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, I would say paint over the glass to just seal everything in and call it a day.

Prevent any future leaks.

Crew Chief Brad: I think the best solution is to trade your Cybertruck in for a Rivian. A Fisker.

Executive Producer Tania: So there’s still more Tesla. This one’s even better. Better.

Crew Chief Brad: There’s more slus.

Executive Producer Tania: Oh, something we haven’t talked about much this year at all, because a cyber truck is without fault.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh, it is infallible.

Executive Producer Tania: Like anything Elon touches is a turd meets the expectations, is totally in line with the promises.

Crew Chief Eric: I’ll say again, a turd

Executive Producer Tania: works to the utmost degree, like a fricking Swiss [01:03:00] timepiece. That’s how well these things work. So recall. The windows, right? Back however many years ago it was now.

Crew Chief Eric: The baseball.

Executive Producer Tania: Oh, they’re, you know, armor plate glass that can withstand bullets, blah blah blah.

I’ll show you by lobbing this baseball at it with my untrained, unprofessional slow ball. shatter. Oh, it was a fluke, it was this and the other, you know, this is still the prototype, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So then why now that we’re in production with 3, 000 of these or whatever the production rate is?

11, 000 were recalled. That’s right. We did say it was 11, 000. So good job. They’re all in the parking lot somewhere. This is probably going to be another recall. Maybe, I don’t know. At any rate, some poor individual who spent 100, 000 on this car left it parked wherever and the impenetrable unsinkable cyber truck, heard that one before, it’s

Crew Chief Eric: like the Titanic

Executive Producer Tania: with its shatterproof glass.

The thief rolled up to it, tried back the window a little [01:04:00] bit.

Crew Chief Eric: Because it’s frameless. I want to point it out. The door is frameless.

Crew Chief Brad: So this would happen with any car with a frameless.

Executive Producer Tania: Yes. So we won’t fault the frameless part. I’m not faulting the frameless part.

Crew Chief Brad: It’s a lack of notification.

Executive Producer Tania: Well, I don’t even fault that because honestly, if you jimmy a little bit, I don’t think anyone’s cars are that sensitive that.

They’re going to sound the alarm yet.

Crew Chief Brad: But the shattered window.

Executive Producer Tania: Did the window shatter? Because the window peeled back like an onion layer. And so people were up in arms about how, to your point, there was no alarm notification. I wasn’t told my car was being robbed. The alarm didn’t go off. I’m like, what alarm’s going off?

This thing like rolled up like a paper towel. It didn’t even know the

Crew Chief Eric: window was open.

Executive Producer Tania: Where’s the sensor? Suddenly the air current changed into the vehicle, but it was the door wasn’t open. That’s the sensor. I don’t know Is it worth saying that the thief was in a Nissan Altima?

Crew Chief Eric: Yes. Are you serious?

Executive Producer Tania: Yeah But the [01:05:00] picture of this Peeled down window is just wild, wild.

You wouldn’t be able to do that on any other.

Crew Chief Eric: No. And I think it has to do with the fact that it’s safety glass. So it has that coating on it. So it’s not supposed to shatter and all that, but in thinking about previous Tesla’s that I’ve been in, remember, I told you guys that story about when I was in Tampa and how that Tesla model Y tried to choke me because the door seal ended up falling on my head as I was getting out and all this kind of thing.

If the seals are that bad on a Cybertruck, and with all those angles, you don’t need a pry bar. You probably could put your fingers in there and pull the window back.

Executive Producer Tania: Probably what he did.

Crew Chief Eric: Which is a lot harder to do on other cars, even on a frameless door car, which we’ve owned some over the years. It’s pretty tight in there, and usually the window goes up into a cavity.

Yes. Where it seals inside of that door seal. Even though it doesn’t have a frame to say that the build quality is maybe not quite where it should be. And all those weird angles might add an extra [01:06:00] layer of, I don’t know, weakness or entry point or attack vector. We’ll call it that, you know, I don’t know, but I guess this guy proved the hypothesis.

Crew Chief Brad: Tesla’s recall fix is going to be going down to the local Home Depot and getting some rebar to build a frame for your frameless door.

Crew Chief Eric: Just caulk it shut.

Crew Chief Brad: Just get a couple of tubes of caulk. Your answer usually, I

Crew Chief Eric: would just get

Crew Chief Brad: some caulk. I was going to say caulk, but I decided to go with the rebar.

Yeah.

Executive Producer Tania: I’d like to spend a hundred thousand dollars on a vehicle that I can peel the glass back on.

Crew Chief Eric: But we’ve covered all that before. We actually have new news about the Cybertruck and Tanya, this one literally blows my mind. This takes the cake. Would you like to inform our audience on what this latest development in Cybertruck nonsense is?

Executive Producer Tania: We covered that last time. I’m

Crew Chief Eric: talking about the shifter. Do you guys know where the shifter is?

Executive Producer Tania: Oh, I heard it’s like in the visor or something.

Crew Chief Eric: Yes. Who designed this thing? [01:07:00] Designed by a crazy person. Who puts transmission shifter buttons In the sun visor.

Executive Producer Tania: Oh, it’s in the center. It’s like where your rear

Crew Chief Eric: view mirror would be.

But the thing is, it’s like one of the most highly touched areas in the car, right? The sun visor, the rear view mirror, and the steering wheel.

Executive Producer Tania: No, this isn’t. If you look at the picture, this isn’t a highly touched area because This thing doesn’t have a rear view mirror in it. Instead of rear view mirror, you have this button panel.

So it’s really not a high touch area.

Crew Chief Eric: Why would you put it there?

Executive Producer Tania: I wouldn’t put it there. I’m not defending its location there, but given what they’ve removed to place it there, it actually is not a high touch area, which just goes more to the shoddy craftsmanship if it falls out without you even needing to touch it.

Crew Chief Eric: What I’m talking about in the high touch area, You’re constantly moving that visor. You’re messing around with the visor and then your transmission shifter falls out and stops working. I mean, who in their right mind thought this was a good idea. And by the way, the hazard lights are there too.

Executive Producer Tania: What about the rear quarter panel?

It just falls [01:08:00] off.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh man. I saw that too. I’m like, what? And it was just

Executive Producer Tania: like interior. It

Crew Chief Eric: looks like when you take the door card off of an old Volkswagen and you see the internals of how the window works. I was like, where’s the frame to the back of the truck?

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, so did this thing not have to go through an HTSA crash testing?

This

Crew Chief Eric: is why it’s Teslagate. If you pay enough, If you got enough Elon Musk, which, which bill is his face on now? Like the thousand dollar bill? If you have enough Elon Musk dollars, you can pay this thing through the NTSA.

Executive Producer Tania: If this gets hit, it’s going to get obliterated by even a small vehicle.

Crew Chief Eric: Would you go cross country in a Cybertruck?

Executive Producer Tania: No, you wouldn’t make it. You’d get somewhere in the Midwest with a big rainstorm and then you’d be stranded because the car got wet.

Crew Chief Eric: Or because your shifter fell off.

Executive Producer Tania: So you’re done. And then you would have hit some place with some sand and then it would have gotten stuck. And so you’re done again.

Crew Chief Eric: What’s funny about this is, especially the picture of the fenders and everything that is now falling [01:09:00] off, the gas pedal, the shifter, the fenders. I mean, God knows what else is going to fall off the Cybertruck. But it’s literally the epitome of the expression, I’m going to drive it. Yeah. Until it falls apart around me, but it’s brand freaking new There’s always a tesla story that sort of crosses the boundary Between tesla gate and what we call low e here in the studio or lowered expectations And this one I have to give a huge shout out to the special guest on the drive thru a ways back He’s been a longtime fan of the show and supporter of breakfix through patreon.

Mr Mark Hewitt brought us this gem of tesla news You can see Tanya’s face right now.

Come on.

Executive Producer Tania: It’s unfortunate.

It’s an unfortunate state of society. This first article about a driver in a Cybertruck driving like a madman. With VR or AR goggles on. First of all, [01:10:00] I think it was a stunt. So, there’s that. The more concerning thing is, don’t put this out there in the world for people to try to go do. That’s the more concerning thing at the moment.

Cause, The Cybertruck doesn’t have autopilot, so it’s a stunt because there’s no way that it’s self driving and he’s just not paying attention. So, boom on that. But, second of all, don’t put this out in the world so people are like, Oh, I can go do this too! Or some asshat’s gonna go do it in their Tesla, which is another article.

They’ll accidentally mow over a woman and her dog, killing them, and then go, I didn’t realize I, uh, ran anybody over. While they were checking emails on their phone in autopilot, allegedly. I mean, what a great excuse to like, mow somebody down and be like, Oh shit. Oh crap. What do I do? Oh, you know what? I was on autopilot.

Like, it’s not still your fault, asshole. And you didn’t notice? Like, supposedly there’s some like, street cam that’s like, the woman was on your hood for a hot second, you know, dying. Like, what the f To

Crew Chief Brad: Tanya’s point, there are no cars in existence today that have autopilot. [01:11:00] Go read the fine print. They all say the same shit.

The car does not drive itself. Don’t be fucking delusional.

Crew Chief Eric: Mm hmm. I will say, you missed the point entirely, Tanya. Nope, she’s, she got it. She good. The whole thing with the VR goggles is just like when I sit down on my simulator. I don’t need to use my monitors. I can plug my Oculus or MetaQuest into my sim and play the game through that.

So when you plug your Oculus into the Cybertruck, you don’t need a windshield. Remember I said, we’re going to be driving eggs that levitate. So how do you know where you’re going? Mm hmm. You put on your VR, AR goggles and it’s just like being outside. Elon

Crew Chief Brad: Musk was a visionary. He saw the writing on the wall.

You don’t need a windscreen wiper because you’re not going to use the windscreen.

Crew Chief Eric: You won’t know that it’s raining.

Crew Chief Brad: The laser goes across your meta quest. They use the same laser from that eye surgery. They’re giving you LASIK from the LASIK. Yes, LASIK technology. Then your metaquest [01:12:00] that goes across and cleans your windshield.

The simulated rain in your simulated world. Just like they added simulated rain to iRacing.

Executive Producer Tania: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. See the neural link.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh God. You get

Executive Producer Tania: the neural link put in you and then that’ll connect you intimately with the car.

Crew Chief Eric: Didn’t they put the neural chip in somebody’s head like Tesla did that?

I

Executive Producer Tania: think so.

Crew Chief Eric: Cannot wait until they have complete cranial meltdown because I feel like I have that. Yeah. When I’m reading these articles, I can only imagine if that thing self combusts inside your head. Good night.

Executive Producer Tania: They did put it in someone, and allegedly they can move a mouse, like computer mouse, with their mind.

Crew Chief Brad: You know, I think I’ve got a new invention. It’s called A hand and you put the hand on the mouse and you can move it without even needing to use your mind. But you use your mind

Crew Chief Eric: to move your hand. You see, it’s that telekinesis powers that we have.

Crew Chief Brad: I don’t, I don’t need wireless. Touch it. I can push the buttons.[01:13:00]

You’re

Executive Producer Tania: not telepathic. You don’t have telekinetic powers. What the mouse must have a chip in it or something like and you’re microwaving like waves out of your brain to control it.

Crew Chief Eric: There is no spoon. So all you do is tilt your head and that’s the mouse. It’s like the old track ball mice. Go back, go back.

Executive Producer Tania: Like night at the Roxbury. There’s already technology like that where your eye movements can be tracked and so that you could move things on a computer screen in that way.

Crew Chief Eric: Right.

Executive Producer Tania: I think they’ve already designed that stuff for people with disabilities. I don’t need to embed a chip in my brain and then all of a sudden have like, I’m gonna get charged to go to the facilities in my own home or something.

Crew Chief Eric: Just imagine how many Camp Lejeune emails you can get straight to your brain.

Executive Producer Tania: You can get paywalls. I need to pay for my subscription to, I don’t know, use my brain. I get like, shut down because my neural Lyn subscription expired. Like

Crew Chief Brad: what? ? Yeah, because you didn’t pay your [01:14:00] bill . Dear Lord, please start the apocalypse.

Start over. Wrapping out some Tesla news.

Crew Chief Eric: Our favorite internet idiot, WhistleAndDiesel.

Executive Producer Tania: I don’t even know why we’re giving this person any airtime. We say like, oh, how do these people get murmur? And then it’s people like us that are like helping him. I don’t want to help him. I’m not going to talk about this.

You can talk about it. I’m going to stay silent. All

Crew Chief Eric: three of our Arbitron rated listeners. But yeah, I mean, this guy, I bring it up only because he’s beaten cars to death and now he’s got his hands. On a cyber truck. And so there’s no video footage yet, just some pictures on Instagram with the hype and all this kind of thing.

So I want to see what he does to it.

Executive Producer Tania: He’s going to explode it because he’s probably going to get it into some like benign accident. And the thing is just going to like go into a million pieces.

Crew Chief Eric: And maybe that’s the end of whistling diesel as we know it.

Executive Producer Tania: Okay, what would be more interesting is we know how Elon Takes the [01:15:00] shit like this.

Oh, yeah.

Executive Producer Tania: What is the retribution here? Because he’s not just gonna, like, is he really just gonna sit back?

Crew Chief Eric: I don’t know.

Executive Producer Tania: But if this guy goes and, like, brutalizes his baby Cybertruck here, Makes a mockery of it, basically, That’s a lot different than somebody trying to give you an artistic tribute. Yeah, I can’t

Crew Chief Brad: wait.

I’m kind of looking forward to this.

Crew Chief Eric: I am too. Yeah. For once I hate his stuff in general. I think he absolutely just abuses cars for all the wrong reasons. And a lot of the cars are like, man, I would’ve, I would’ve driven that. That’s a nice car. Abusing a Cybertruck. I want to see how this turns out.

Crew Chief Brad: In the one picture, there is a tank in the background.

Oh, dude, this is going to be great. Bulletproof glass. How about missile proof glass?

Crew Chief Eric: Excellent. That’s probably accurate. That’s going to be awesome. Now that my expectations are thoroughly lowered, we need to talk about things that are unfortunately unfortunate.

Executive Producer Tania: Look at that. The first unfortunate thing.

We’re [01:16:00] right back with the Cybertruck.

Crew Chief Brad: I feel like this is, like, serendipitous, though.

Crew Chief Eric: No, this is the definition of irony.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: The headline alone Explains it. Okay, Yahoo News reports Tesla Cybertruck hits fire hydrant, catches on fire.

Crew Chief Brad: Well, they were already there with the water, so they’re good. Fire

Crew Chief Eric: hydrant was on the scene.

Crew Chief Brad: Fire hydrant was on the scene.

Crew Chief Eric: Apparently, he caused the fire. But also could not put out the fire. Do you know how much water a fire hydrant puts out? But that is needed to put

Executive Producer Tania: out the fire. Still

Crew Chief Eric: not enough. The picture of this thing alone just cracks me up.

Executive Producer Tania: How do you hit a fire hydrant? They’re not in the middle of the road.

Crew Chief Eric: Supervised full self driving.

Executive Producer Tania: It was F U S D.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah.

Executive Producer Tania: Unsupervised.

Crew Chief Brad: No. So, so this Cybertruck identified as a fire hose.

Crew Chief Eric: God, there were reports this month of other EVs burning to the ground, and the fires are just unbelievably tragic.

Executive Producer Tania: Everyone wants to [01:17:00] say, Whoa! Gasoline, ice, thermal motors catch on fire more than Thermal means fire.

When was the last time, though, sir, that A ice engine that hit a fire hydrant caught on fire.

Crew Chief Eric: I believe the chances of that are one in a trillion.

Executive Producer Tania: Unlike the Fast and the Furious movies,

Crew Chief Eric: generally,

Executive Producer Tania: when internal combustion engine operated vehicles strike something, they don’t normally go up in a blaze of glory.

Crew Chief Eric: Would have been amazing if that Cybertruck’s dashboard lit up and it said, Danger to Manifold.

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, I get, yes, maybe ice do catch on fire more regularly, but it seems like the difficulty and the severity of some of these electric vehicle fires. Imagine you’re in some big collision and then you’re out of it.

You can’t even get out of your car or you can’t get out of your car until somebody comes rescues you and then the damn thing ignites. [01:18:00]

Crew Chief Eric: Would it be fair to say that maybe Knowing what we know, having the safety gear that we have available to us, that we should wear our Nomex suits every time we take a ride in a Tesla.

Crew Chief Brad: I was just about to say that. Yep, exactly. So you can go down the Tesla Cybertruck rabbit hole with this one article. I don’t know if you looked in the middle of the page, but it says man almost loses a finger to a cyber truck.

Executive Producer Tania: Oh, it’s the window truck,

Crew Chief Brad: like. No, this was the door because of where the door buttons are.

Oh. So his finger got caught between the rear door and the front door. He almost lost a finger. And then the next one out of that is. Out of control cyber truck crashes into a house. I think that’s the one we talked about.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah. A while ago. Yeah.

Crew Chief Brad: I just, I, I love it.

Crew Chief Eric: I saw one on the highway today, and I’ve never seen one in traffic and the beltway six lanes on each side type of deal.

It is massive. It looks like this lumbering, and I couldn’t figure out where the brake lights were. You know how we discovered that the headlights are in that gap between the front fascia and the bumper? I think the brake lights are in the same place on the back, [01:19:00] but every time we would stop and go in traffic, I didn’t.

See that back bar light up. I think that back bar across the lift gate only comes on at night. Unless he wasn’t using the brakes.

Crew Chief Brad: Maybe regenerative braking that you don’t have to break in those cars,

Crew Chief Eric: but you still have to hit the brake pedal because we’re coming to a full stop.

Crew Chief Brad: Not if it’s full self driving, it’s fully aware, identifies as a brake late

Crew Chief Eric: or the brake lights just don’t work.

I mean, amongst a million other things that don’t work on those, they could have shorted for all we know had brand new temp tags on it.

Crew Chief Brad: I will say I see cyber trucks. All the time. I see at least one a day.

Crew Chief Eric: They’re creepy though. When they come up on you, you’re suddenly like, Whoa, what is that?

Crew Chief Brad: I hate the fact that they’re so popular.

I don’t know why I just, they rubbed me the wrong way. It really upsets me.

Crew Chief Eric: Because you didn’t get one and you are owed a t shirt. That’s why.

Crew Chief Brad: I didn’t want one. Yeah. I ordered a cyber truck and all I got was this stupid t shirt. Parentheses. Thank God.

Crew Chief Eric: Thank Elon. Get it right. Thank

Crew Chief Brad: you. Well, Elon is God.

There you go.

Crew Chief Eric: Soon to be, he’s gonna be the first trillionaire. Did you hear that? It’s insane.

Crew Chief Brad: Don’t [01:20:00] even get me started on how stupid people make money. He’s not stupid. He’s very smart. But he’s also stupid.

Executive Producer Tania: He’s also a horrible human being.

Crew Chief Brad: Yes, horrible human beings make a lot of money.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, Brad, you’re out of luck, man.

You’re trying to sell this cyber truck here in the United States for a bucket of chicken. And I was thinking, you know what? Maybe if Americans won’t buy. Your allotment. You could sell it to somebody overseas. Maybe somebody in Asia wants it. Maybe somebody in Europe wants it. Maybe,

Crew Chief Brad: maybe.

Crew Chief Eric: There’s a whole list of reasons why the Cybertruck won’t be going to Europe.

Let’s face it. Tanya’s mentioned it before. The overall size of the vehicle. Shipping it from California to Europe. There’s a lot of obstacles in that.

Crew Chief Brad: But if we get lucky, it could get lost at sea on a shipping container ship. We would lose hundreds of them.

Crew Chief Eric: That only happens to Porsches and Lamborghinis.

Getting it through the European version of, like, the DOT and getting it approved and, you know, safety. Testing and all that kind of stuff is a lot more strict than it is over here in a lot of ways. Granted, they don’t have [01:21:00] to worry about the emission side because it’s an EV, but do they have the charging network to support it?

You know, all those kinds of things. Do

Crew Chief Brad: we have the charging network to support? Well,

Crew Chief Eric: I wasn’t going to get into that. Also, there’s an issue with the gross vehicle weight being between eight and nine. Thousand pounds so four and four and a half tons. That’s also a problem with europe. It’s just too big It’s just too heavy

Crew Chief Brad: the issue that the cyber truck is just gross regardless of gross vehicle weight It’s just gross

Crew Chief Eric: and that sort of leads into our final article about the cyber truck

Crew Chief Brad: elon musk And I quote we dug our own grave with the cyber truck.

Executive Producer Tania: I guess it was shortly after he announced Oh, it’s coming in november and then oh we dug our own grave on this Basically like, yeah, this is a bad idea, but we’re doing it anyway.

Crew Chief Eric: What kind of business sense is that though? And I mean, we’re past the point of no return, right? I guess there’s enough people that want this.

Executive Producer Tania: It’s still a year and a half from being cash positive, he said. Scaling the production is still a problem. So to your point, Brad, if you’d actually [01:22:00] click yes to that order, it’ll be a couple of years till you see it probably.

Crew Chief Eric: If you place that order, how much of a deposit do you have to put down?

Crew Chief Brad: When I did the estimator, it was 4, 500.

Crew Chief Eric: Do you start paying on it right away? You haven’t taken delivery of your Cybertruck.

Crew Chief Brad: You’re not going to finalize the loan until there’s a VIN number.

Crew Chief Eric: Are you sure? Because they can generate a soft VIN number and reserve it for you and say, this is going to be your chassis number.

Crew Chief Brad: But a bank is not going to fund that loan until there’s an actual vehicle.

That they could repossess when you don’t pay.

Crew Chief Eric: You’re using logic, my friend. You’re going to go through the Tesla financing corporation.

Crew Chief Brad: Oh, that’s right. That’s right. And they can repossess unicorns and glitter. It’s

Crew Chief Eric: like software. I’m going to generate you a license key, but your trial hasn’t started yet.

Crew Chief Brad: Oh, you mean how they generate stock value? They’ll just generate it out of thin

Crew Chief Eric: air. So they’re going to allot you your VIN. You’re going to start paying on a truck that you’re not going to receive for two years. I

Crew Chief Brad: think this is a good deal. That means I’m two years into my seven year loan. And all of a sudden when I get the truck, it’s a five year loan.

And

Crew Chief Eric: don’t forget, it’s an [01:23:00] armed loan, so it’s adjustable rate.

Crew Chief Brad: So wait a minute, when I buy it at the 100, 000 or whatever, does that mean I haven’t technically driven it off the lot? But when I actually take possession, does it mean it’s worth 30, 000?

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, because you have two years of depreciation. But not two years of wear and tear.

I would tell you this, if you were in a different state of life, I’d say send it, man. Let’s make this happen. You gotta get this Cybertruck. You It’s just gotta happen, right? Just go for it. We got a little homework to do here. I don’t think I convinced you properly to buy this truck. I don’t think I could convince anybody to buy this truck, honestly.

I

Crew Chief Brad: don’t think Elon Musk can convince anybody to buy this truck. What are you talking about? I don’t see why they have volume in production issues. When there aren’t gonna need to make that many, cause not that many people are gonna take delivery. Demand is

Crew Chief Eric: artificially high. Just like generating those VIN numbers.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, everybody put in a hundred dollars on a whim. Cause like, oh, it’s a fucking hundred dollars, who cares? If the truck ends up, you know, shit in the bed, or they never make it or whatever, I lost a hundred dollars. Who cares?

Crew Chief Eric: [01:24:00] Is that how you’ve rationalized it for yourself? Have you just said, I’ve wasted a hundred dollars on a lot of other things and let it go, or do you think you can get your money back?

Do you think you can unload this cyber truck

Crew Chief Brad: allotment? Getting the money back versus unloading the cyber truck allotment are two different things. Because when I first signed up for it, it was a refundable deposit. So I should be able to technically call up Tesla and say, Hey, you know what? Nevermind.

Can I have my a hundred dollars please?

Crew Chief Eric: Wait, wait, wait. You said call up Tesla. You

Crew Chief Brad: could talk

Crew Chief Eric: to a human.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. I’m going to call him up on the cyber webs. I’m going to use my neural net right to Elon. And he’s going to cut me a check for a hundred dollars minus a hundred dollars processing fee. So he’s going to mail me a check for like 15 cents.

Crew Chief Eric: If nothing else. They should be paying you interest on the 100. It should be like a bond. I

Crew Chief Brad: was going to say it should be like, yeah, 100 plus 5 percent interest over five years. I’ll take that.

Crew Chief Eric: Exactly. You loaned the Tesla foundation a hundred bucks. It was a charitable donation. You want your money back.

Crew Chief Brad: [01:25:00] I aided in their stock valuation and their inflated cash position and stock valuation.

And he took that money and bought X. And I don’t mean, I don’t mean ecstasy, although he probably bought that too.

Crew Chief Eric: X, insert variable here, right? I wonder if we’re going to look back in 20 years, 30 years, when we’re all relaxing on our lazy boys and we’re doing drive thru number 537. And we’re going to look back and say, do you remember that Bernie Madoff level Ponzi scheme?

That was Tesla,

Executive Producer Tania: which one, which, which story, what specifically is anybody surprised again?

Crew Chief Eric: Well, let’s put a pin in this Tesla talk. Let’s put a

Crew Chief Brad: bird shit in this cyber truck talk.

Crew Chief Eric: We will come back to the cyber truck.

Crew Chief Brad: No, please don’t. Oh, we will. We will. It’s please, please don’t. It’s still in the news.

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Highlights

Skip ahead if you must… Here’s the highlights from this episode you might be most interested in and their corresponding time stamps.

  • 00:00 Introduction and Sponsorships
  • 00:32 Tesla Talk: Elon Musk and the Cybertruck
  • 01:48 Cybertruck Reservation Woes
  • 03:38 Cybertruck Features and Pricing
  • 07:58 Cybertruck Performance and Comparisons
  • 35:32 The Wooden Cybertruck and Elon Musk’s Response
  • 39:51 Cybertruck’s Stainless Steel Issues
  • 42:48 Tesla’s Cost-Saving Move: Wrapping Cars Instead of Painting
  • 43:15 The Quality Concerns of Factory Wraps
  • 44:30 Cybertruck Wraps: Practicality and Issues
  • 45:49 The Debate Over Cybertruck’s Aesthetics
  • 46:44 Shaq’s Carbon Fiber Cybertruck
  • 48:52 Tesla’s Recalls and Quality Control Issues
  • 54:02 The Cybertruck’s Water Sensitivity
  • 01:06:50 The Controversial Shifter Location
  • 01:08:13 Cybertruck’s Safety and Build Quality Concerns
  • 01:21:19 The Future of Cybertruck and Tesla’s Business Decisions
  • 01:25:57 Closing Thoughts and Outro

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The Day Alfa Romeo “Almost” Changed Formula One Forever

October 5th, 1980 – Watkins Glen International Circuit. The final Formula One Grand Prix ever held at this storied American track. But for motorsport historian Dr. Mario Tecce, it was more than just a farewell. It was a moment of near-triumph that could have rewritten the legacy of Alfa Romeo in Formula One.

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Bruno Giacomelli, piloting a fully Italian Alfa Romeo – engine, chassis, and driver – stunned the paddock by securing pole position. In an era dominated by the likes of Ferrari, Lotus, and the rising Williams team, Alfa Romeo had only recently returned to F1 after a 30-year absence. Yet here they were, leading the grid.

Bruno Giacomelli; Photo courtesy Mario Tecce

Giacomelli held the lead for nearly half the race, fending off legends like Nelson Piquet, Carlos Reutemann, and Alan Jones. But then, heartbreak: a minor electrical fault forced him to retire, handing victory – and the championship – to Jones.

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Dr. Tecce, speaking from Naples, Italy, reflects on the historical weight of that day. Had Giacomelli won, Alfa Romeo might have cemented its place as a second major Italian force in F1. The win could have bolstered its standing in the U.S. market, influenced state ownership decisions, and sustained its independence.

Giacomelli in the pits at Watkins Glen with his Alfa Romeo F1; Photo courtesy Mario Tecce

Instead, the missed opportunity marked the beginning of a slow fade. Despite attracting Mario Andretti for the 1981 season and earning praise from Jackie Stewart, Alfa Romeo struggled to adapt to rapid changes in F1 – from the banning of ground-effect skirts to the rise of turbocharged engines.

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Dr. Tecce received his M.D. and PhD. at the University of Naples, Italy, and is currently full profession of biochemistry at University of Salerno. Besides his molecular research about cancer mechanisms, he explored race car driving as a major reference paradigm of pursuing the best and of free will exercise.

Synopsis

This episode of The Logbook, our History of Motorsports series, discusses the historical significance of the last United States Grand Prix at Watkins Glen in 1980. Dr. Mario Tecce reflects on the near-victory of Bruno Giacomelli in an Alfa Romeo, highlighting the race’s impact on motorsport history. Tecce explores the what-could-have-beens if Giacomelli had won, potentially altering Alfa Romeo’s racing future. He emphasizes the importance of facts over hypotheses in historical research and elucidates the developments in Formula One during that era, such as the transition to turbo engines and the regulations around ground effect.

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[00:00:00] Breakfix’s History of Motorsports series is brought to you in part by the International Motor Racing Research Center, as well as the Society of Automotive Historians, the Watkins Glen Area Chamber of Commerce, and the Argettsinger family.

Remembering Giacomelli and Alfa Romeo almost winning the last United States Grand Prix at Watkins Glen by Dr. Mario Tecce. Mario Felice Tecce has been a Formula One and motorsports enthusiast since 1971. With his strong interest and deep passion in car racing, he explored Formula One seasons for the last 50 years as a major example of pursuing the best life choices.

This is because following motorsport may not be only pleasant and interesting, but also a way to recognize drivers high level competition as a shared effort to pursue together the best possible results. He is a molecular biomedical researcher and teaches biochemistry at the University of Salerno in Italy.

October 5th, 1980 was a very important day at Watkins Glen [00:01:00] International Circuit. Historical research, including that of motor racing, cannot be done with hypothesis or with what ifs, but only with facts. However, it can indeed be conceived that the facts of the day affected many future things. This was going to be the last Formula One Grand Prix at Watkins Glen.

The starting grid had an unexpected pole sitter, the Alfa Romeo of Giacomelli. Those were the years of Ferrari, winner of the 1979 championship, of Lotus winning in 1978, while the age of Williams was just beginning. Alfa Romeo, although possessing ancient racing victories, was back in racing for less than two years.

Giacomelli, an Italian driving a fully Italian car, started on the pole, maintaining firmly his lead position. He kept the lead and seemed close to an extraordinary win. But suddenly, a minor electrical problem stopped him on track, and the Williams of Jones won the race. One wonders what would have happened if Giacomelli had won.

Perhaps Alfa Romeo’s racing efforts would not have been discontinued, and a second major Italian team would have stayed [00:02:00] in Formula One. Possibly a prestigious F1 win in the US, the major car market world, and eventual further successes could have improved the prospects of Alfa Romeo to remain an Italian state property and continue the progress as an independent firm.

I’m very, very happy to be part of this symposium. I’m recording from Naples, Italy. Now coming to my discussion, to my talk, the point I want to discuss is this occasion of the last Watkins Glen Formula One Grand Prix of 1980, where Bruno Giacometti, the driver of Alfa Romeo, almost won the race. Here you see the start of the race and you see the red and white alpha of Bruno ome leading just after having started from the pool position.

You see big champions after him, Nelson que Carlos soman, andries and actually exiting the the first time. [00:03:00] Alan Jones, which was going to win the race later, Bruno Giacomelli leaded almost half of the race, but for a minor electrical problem, had to stop on the track and lost the race. I think that this missed victory could and should have heavily affect later Formula 1 racing, and I want to discuss it more.

Obviously, talking about hypothesis, and history should not be done with hypothesis. But just remembering important facts which affected history, I think, is also important. So I have to remember what is so important about this race. And this day, it was the 5th of October, 1980. This was going to be the last Formula One race at Watkins Glen.

Actually, going to be the race in which Alan Jones was winning his first and unique world title. But starting from the pole position, the Salfa Romeo was something [00:04:00] quite sensational. Why? It was an Italian driver, it was not so common, actually even today it’s not so common to see an Italian driver leading a Formula One race with a full Italian car, fully in, both thinking about the engine and the chassis.

Remember the facts. which make this important. I mean, I don’t think it’s a matter of, uh, remembering things which I know an old guy like me can make them important. I think that for several reasons this was an important occasion. Remembering facts of Formula One in the 70s, we have to remember at that time most cars were using only the one engine, the very good, very powerful Cosworth weight engine and there was only another important engine which was the one from Ferrari.

Ferrari was at that time for a long time the only team building both the engine and the car and the chassis. Then at the end of the 70s Alfa Romeo started to make [00:05:00] a Formula One engine giving it to Brabham and then deciding making the chassis and the engine. And also, we have to remember that in this years, also, uh, Renault started to make a turbo engine and actually, turbo engines were going to affect heavily Formula 1 and in the following years, all cars were going to have a turbo engine.

Also, another thing we have to remember in those days, Formula 1 was changing a lot because of the so called round effect. Cars were like this Lotus 79, the big champion, Mario Andretti, which is obviously very well known even in the United States, like in Europe, because he has accomplished things, many, many things, both in Formula 1, American races.

In those days, cars like this were having this ground effect in the side, having wings sealed with the skirts, with the so called skirts, [00:06:00] lateral skirts. Alfa Romeo, in those days, decided to come back in Formula One. Alfa Romeo was a very, very important racing team in the past, actually, from the 20s. We can just show here the very big wing of Nobel Harry.

in the 1935 German Grand Prix before the Second World War. But when Formula One started in the 50s, the first world Formula One championship was taken from Alfa Romeo with Giuseppe Farina, and the second, the 1951 Formula One championship was also taken from Alfa Romeo, in this case with John Manuel Fangio.

In the following years, Alfa Romeo left Formula One, but about 30 years later, Alfa Romeo decided to be back in Formula One with this car. And here you see, in 1979, Zolder Grand Prix, this small team, with this driver Bruno [00:07:00] Giacomelli, returning in Formula One in 1979. And the very interesting thing is that they returned in the middle of the year, but at the end of the year, in the Monza Grand Prix, but in a few months, they also prepared the second car, the South Formula 179, which was using a different engine, not the 12 flat engine, but the VU engine, the 12 VU engine, which was Made thinking about the fact that the car had to be also a wing car and needed lateral space to seal big wings and to have this ground effort in the same year, they realized that two different cars with two different engine and actually, this was the car, which was usually in the season in the following season, 1980 with this car, they had a constant improvement.

Which brought them to the pole position of the last Grand Prix, [00:08:00] Watkins Klein. A pole position which was absolutely not a combination of occasional results due to special events. But the conclusion of a year was still unproven. And next we see more details. Here is the cover of the major Italian magazine about car racing, which was saying after the race, Alfa.

Thank you anyway. And these are the numbers. The numbers are interesting. You see this pole position, this is the starting grid. You see almost one second of difference between the first Alfa Romeo Bruno Giacomelli and Nelson Piquet, Brabham, Carlos Reutemann, very important champions with very important cars.

So the point is new team was developed in less than two years. and was able to be on the talk. How was this possible? Bruno Giacomelli was the Formula Two champion the year before, a Formula Two [00:09:00] champion, and was, even if he was very young, was able to make a relevant contribution to car development, showing that he was able to take full advantage of a top car.

So his contribution was very important. At the same time, engineer Carlo Chitti was a special engineer, able not only to make engines, but also making a full car, original with Ferrari, and then always with Alfa Romeo. Also designing the car winning the 1975 World Sport Car Championship. Here you see him still working in a Ferrari at the end of the 50s or the beginning of the 60s.

And you see here an image of Carlo Chitti after qualifying for the Watkins Glen Grand Prix in 1980. Very happy for the result. It was an important result. Actually, Giacomelli and his car were not able to finish the race, but showed a very big [00:10:00] performance, and everybody considered that we’re going to be very relevant perspective wise for Romeo for the next years.

We can also conclude this, uh, considering that Mario Andretti decided to drive for Alfa Romeo for the next season in 1981. And Jackie Stewart, in that occasion, showed a lot of consideration for Alfa Romeo Formula One. There were a lot of, uh, perspectives which actually Alfa Romeo was not able to meet in the next years for several reasons.

One reason was that in the next year, lateral scarce for ground effort were not allowed anymore. Actually, the following year had to be changed. Still, it was possible to have a ground effort, but this scarce were not allowed. There were also, we have to say, some teams which found a way to have a ceiling of a lateral wing and Alfa Romeo didn’t do anything to have this [00:11:00] performance, so Alfa Romeo started to lose.

Then in the following years there was this switch to turbocharged engines. And also there was a decrease in interest of Romeo management. So this big day, the end of 1980, Watkins Glen, which was also going to be the last Formula One race in Watkins Glen, didn’t have a very important development. However, we have this question.

What would have been of Alfa Romeo team if winning this race? Probably things would have been even different. The consideration for the team would have been much higher. Probably the Alfa Romeo management would have considered more money to be put in this program. We don’t have an answer for this question.

But I think the other point is that in that occasion, there was a team, there was a special driver like Bruno Giacomelli, an engineer like Carlo Quitti, which were able to show that they were able to make big performance, [00:12:00] but big, uh, big job. And this has to be recognized. I hope there was some interest in this.

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  • 00:00 Introduction and Sponsors
  • 00:16 Remembering Giacomelli and Alfa Romeo
  • 00:56 The Significance of October 5th, 1980
  • 01:17 Giacomelli’s Near Victory
  • 01:51 Hypothetical Impact of Giacomelli’s Win
  • 02:14 Personal Reflections and Symposium
  • 02:22 Race Day Highlights
  • 03:44 Historical Context of Formula One
  • 06:00 Alfa Romeo’s Return to Formula One
  • 06:51 The 1979 and 1980 Seasons
  • 08:29 Alfa Romeo’s Remarkable Performance
  • 08:53 Key Contributors: Giacomelli and Chitti
  • 10:25 Challenges and Missed Opportunities
  • 11:24 Speculations on Alfa Romeo’s Future
  • 12:03 Closing Remarks and Acknowledgements
  • 12:24 Sponsors and Supporters
  • 13:31 Outro and Additional Resources

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The 1980 Alfa Romeo 179 was no fluke. Developed under the guidance of engineer Carlo Chiti, the car evolved quickly from its 1979 debut. Chiti, a former Ferrari designer and mastermind behind Alfa’s 1975 World Sportscar Championship win, brought innovation and passion to the project.

Giacomelli, a former Formula Two champion, contributed heavily to the car’s development. His pole position at Watkins Glen wasn’t a lucky break – it was the culmination of two years of relentless progress.

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Despite the promise, Alfa Romeo’s F1 program faltered. The ban on skirts disrupted their aerodynamic advantage. They failed to keep pace with turbo development. Internal interest waned. And so, the team that nearly stole the spotlight in 1980 faded into the background.

But Tecce urges us to remember: for one brilliant afternoon, Alfa Romeo was at the top. And in motorsport, sometimes the “almost” moments are just as powerful as the victories.

This episode is sponsored in part by: The International Motor Racing Research Center (IMRRC), The Society of Automotive Historians (SAH), The Watkins Glen Area Chamber of Commerce, and the Argetsinger Family – and was recorded in front of a live studio audience.


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In Episode 35 of Init Talks, host Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya (@LoveFortySix) welcomes Emma Galasso (@bullissemma), a rising figure in the sim racing world and a dynamic professional in the automotive industry. With a background in film and her current role as a Brand Partnerships Coordinator, Emma brings a unique perspective to the intersection of creativity, racing, and business. She shares insights into her career journey, her passion for motorsport, and how these two worlds blend to fuel her ambitions.

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  • 00:00 Introduction to Screen to Speed
  • 00:55 Meet Emma Galasso: Sim Racer and Brand Partnership Coordinator
  • 01:28 Emma’s Journey into Sim Racing
  • 03:12 Sim Racing Setup and Evolution
  • 05:46 Challenges and Learning in Sim Racing
  • 08:16 Practice Routine and Coaching
  • 10:32 Sim Racing Community and League Details
  • 12:29 Highlights and Achievements in Sim Racing
  • 14:31 Real-Life Racing Experiences
  • 17:12 Professional Journey in the Automotive Industry
  • 24:52 Comparing Motorsports in Europe and the US
  • 31:30 The Appeal of IMSA and Daytona 500
  • 32:18 Sim Racing vs. Real Life Racing
  • 33:30 The Challenges and Rewards of Sim Racing
  • 36:36 Balancing Aggression and Strategy in Racing
  • 43:01 Encouraging Women in Sim Racing
  • 53:05 Future Goals and Advice for New Sim Racers
  • 01:00:02 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Crew Chief Brad: [00:00:00] Welcome to Screen to Speed powered by INIT eSports. In this podcast, we dive into the journeys of remarkable individuals, making waves in sim racing and bridging the virtual with the real. From the thrill of digital circuits to the roar of real life racetracks, we explore the passion, Dedication and innovation that drives the world of motorsports.

We’ll hear from athletes, creators, and pioneers sharing their stories, insights, and the powerful ways sim racing is connecting communities and creating pathways into motorsports. So buckle up screen. The speed starts now.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Hello everyone. Welcome to new talks. Uh, happy to see everybody here on the channel. Uh, today we got. Emma Galasso with us, uh, she is a brand partnership [00:01:00] coordinator in the automotive industry and also sim racer. And she took a part in the last, uh, screen to speed event, which we had, uh, this weekend. And also she’s going to share any talks in 2025 with me.

Welcome Emma.

Emma Galasso: Thank you so much for having me. It’s so exciting to be here and I can’t wait to, uh, embark in 2025 and do it some more. So thank you.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah. Thank you for taking your time and, uh, have this show with us. Uh, so let’s start with, uh, how did you first get into some racing and, uh, what actually inspired you to start?

Emma Galasso: Yeah, so my journey started a little later than a lot of people in sim racing. I was 26. I’m dating myself here, but I was 26 and I really wanted to learn more about motorsport in a way that was not just watching it on TV because I love watching Formula One and I watched racing since I was a kid, but I didn’t understand it.

And for me, the best way to understand it is to actually do it. But you [00:02:00] know, I don’t have half a million dollars lying around to go By a Porsche 911 to go take around the track. So I got into sim racing instead. I started on my PlayStation actually on F1 2021 and had a grand old time on that. And then, uh, My brother is really good at building PCs, so I got his help to build a PC, and then I made the transition over to Assetto Corsa, have a really amazing league there, um, and that league helped me really get into sim racing, because it was fun to hot lap by myself, but, Having a lead really pushes you to be faster and better and actually race other people.

So since then, I’ve been racing on a set of Corsa and then recently making the switch toward iRacing, uh, to do more events like this and just joining new communities. I also am on TikTok, uh, talking about my racing journey. So if you ever want to really scroll back in the archives, you can see me being really proud of some really slow laps, but it’s all about documenting the journey.

So.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Mm hmm. Yeah, [00:03:00] that’s great. Yeah. So that’s cool that you started from console. So many people, you know, starting from really basic entry level things like console and really simple sim racing wheel. How’s your sim racing setup looks like right now? So how it’s involved? Yeah.

Emma Galasso: So right now, I would say I still have I mean, it’s definitely a pretty good setup.

I have a Fanatec wheel. I have a, um, DD Pro wheel with the boost kit. So I have eight new meters of force, you know, all that I have a boost, sorry, a load cell pedal. Um, but I don’t have an actual aluminum rig or anything. I’m still in a place seat challenge with my direct drive wheel. So, uh, I was just, we were talking before this call.

I just lugged my whole rig in the back of my car, 600 miles to come to my parents house, which is where I’m at now. Um, and that. The play state is really great because I just literally fold it up, put it in the back of my car and drive it up here and I have only one monitor. It’s not even a big huge monitor.

I used to just play with my, um, [00:04:00] TV. That used to be my TV for everything, but for sim racing, the lag time on that was pretty crazy. So switching to a monitor was helpful. Um, my next. Kind of upgrade will be probably better pedals a triple triples monitors, hopefully and then actually getting an aluminum rig But I started on a logitech g29 with my at the probably the worst possible Amazon buy of a Wheelbase thing that I could possibly have gotten and just because of my thing was, I didn’t even know if I was going to like sim racing.

I was doing it as a challenge for myself, but I didn’t want to, you know, spend a ton of money on a rig that I wasn’t going to use. And I figured, you know, I knew people that were really fast on a lot of G29. I said, well, I mean, they’re going to learn to be fast in a G29 or I’m going to. You know, not like it.

So thankfully, I end up liking it.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Oh, that’s good. You know, when you can try something and start just [00:05:00] with entry level equipment because you’re not spending a lot of money and then the same time you give it a try and also think if you would like to continue or not. Uh, really funny thing that, uh, I started with G27, uh, back in the days also, uh, right now with, uh, Freshmaster, DD, T818, and, uh, low tail pedals, and then got triple screens.

So I started with single screen as well. Uh, yeah, that’s really cool. You know, um, I met a lot of people on the talks and they, Most of the people started like from really basic, like G27, G29. It’s really funny. Um, can you tell me what challenges you face, um, as a new sim racer in, uh, in Assetto Corsa?

Emma Galasso: Yeah, I think that my biggest challenge has just been mentally, honestly, because sim racing, I, I wanted to do as a challenge.

Um, and I equate it to learning a language. That’s what I always tell people. I think I said that I’m on [00:06:00] the last time I was in a talk. But it’s, you have to learn so much. There’s so much going on in your brain while you’re driving. You’re doing math. You’re not even thinking about, you know, you’re finding the apex of the corner.

You’re looking ahead. You have to remember all these things while you’re driving and coming from nothing, no racing experience, except for a couple laps in Gran Turismo with my dad on controller, like I had no idea. What racing was going to be like at all. So it was learning all of that. And then also in my league, learning race crafts and how to get out of the way of everybody.

Cause I was always in the very back. Um, and you know, honestly being used to being last because in my league, I was 100 percent of the time, like the slowest person didn’t always mean I took last place because I always say like you have to just finish the race because some people DNF and you get ahead of them.

And that’s a learning experience. But I’m someone who likes to succeed in things as soon as I start them. And so racing was definitely not that way. And I wouldn’t even call myself [00:07:00] successful now. I’m still very much in the learning process. And that’s what’s so cool about it is you don’t really feel like you’re improving.

And you go back and look at a lap you did with the you were so proud of before and like, there was a lap at spa, for example, and I said, of course, a competency on a, I don’t even remember what the time was, but it was so bad. And I worked so hard to get that time. And then I came back a couple of months ago and just did a lap just to see what it was like.

And my warm up lap was almost 4 seconds faster than that lap. You improve a lot, but you don’t feel like it, which is really cool.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s nice. Uh, also, um, how was your routine of, uh, the, the practice, uh, for, for the years, yeah, because, uh, you mentioned that you started, you know, like you, uh, finished last most of the races and that went not as you expected.

Uh, I think kind of the same thing happened to me when I moved from in real life racing to some racing, I felt that I’m going to pulling away from everybody, uh, but then you just meet all these people in some racing and they [00:08:00] Too competitive and they super cool and really consistent on the track So I had to like step back and learn all things.

So once again, so How is it for you? Like what is your routine of the practice for this years?

Emma Galasso: Yeah, so I started out, my goal was to learn as quickly as possible to be as good as I could be as fast as possible. And for me, that was finding a coach. Um, so I have been coached by Isaac Gilson, who is a Ferrari eSports driver, actually now, um, at the time he wasn’t, but he’s been my coach since pretty much day 1.

I, I drive with him almost every single Sunday we have an hour and I’ll think I’m doing really good and then he’ll just come in and be like, uh, you got to like adjust your right knee here or something, which is what I needed because if it was just up to me thinking my laps were really good, you know, I would have thought that I was the best sim racer out there and joined a league and get absolutely stomped like, and my league is also [00:09:00] extremely fast.

The people in my league are pretty top tier drivers and they’re also wonderful people. So. I purposely joined a league that was, uh, rookie friendly, but was way faster than me. I had to work really hard just to be six seconds behind the next slowest guy, and that was a good challenge for me. So, um, I practiced at least 30 minutes every day and I still try to hold to that.

I work full time job and have events to go to and stuff like that, but I always try to get my practice time in. And now I can practice a lot longer because I’ve done endurance races and stuff like that. But See, time is the most important, but also getting see time with a fresh brain, because if you’re in there and you’re just forcing yourself to drive 5 hours in a row.

That doesn’t work for me that well. And then I also, um, try to learn outside of actually driving. So you have to learn about setups and learn about all these things which comes through talking with people, attending real races, or taking courses online and stuff like that. So I’ve been [00:10:00] doing that as well.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, and

Emma Galasso: it’s been, it’s been a challenge, but it’s, um, it’s a good time. And it’s, it’s fun to learn new stuff and, and see, and honestly, the community is what’s so great about sim racing because I can bring a problem to somebody in my league and they can solve it immediately where it would take me two days to figure it out just because you have the experience.

And that’s what’s so cool. I can connect with people all over the world just through this.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s a really cool stuff. That’s community really friendly. They helpful. And, uh, I can tell about our racing community because most of the time I’m racing and racing. And, um, as I told you, the, I said, of course, it seems like also really friendly and you mentioned that you’re doing the leak and I know that you’re doing it every Monday.

Can you give more details about the leak? Because, because maybe some people, uh, I’m going to be interested to jump in to this leak.

Emma Galasso: Yeah, so my league is called SBR. It’s Shake and Bake Racing. They’ve been around, this is actually their 5th, I say our, like it’s my league, it’s not my [00:11:00] league. But it’s the 5 year anniversary of SBR, um, this upcoming season, or 2025.

And we do races every Monday night, um, And all different tracks all different cars. We have a different theme every season So that’s been great for me because i’ve gotten to drive a ton of different cars everything from club cars to Indy lights to gt3s So you have to learn a lot and I only had a week to practice for every track stuff like that So it’s been a great community for me and all the guys that are really awesome So huge shout out to them and actually I was able to meet a lot of them in real life because we’re all Based in the u.

s. Most of us. Sorry to the canadians and Um, our Australian friends, but most of us are in the US, so we meet up at real races and just get to talk about motorsport outside of racing. So it’s a really great community to be a part of. Um, yeah, and honestly, I don’t even have time for another league, really, because I, I, even my league right now, I’ve been kind of falling off the cliff there because I’ve been so [00:12:00] busy with work, but they’re just all great guys.

And I love them.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s great that you got this really friendly and nice leak. And also, uh, you mentioned that some people are competitive. I think it’s, uh, really help you to improve, uh, day by day. Because when you, you know, racing the leak where you’re first, uh, you’re like, you don’t have motivation to go forward and to improve your lap times.

And it’s really cool to find the leak where you, uh, always got the space for improvements. It’s really cool. Um, Can you tell me about the highlights in your sim racing career so far? Well,

Emma Galasso: um, I will say one of my favorite things doesn’t actually have to do with racing, but my league has a livery contest every single season.

And I think I’m an eight time livery contest winner. So that’s where all my wins come from is the liveries. Because for me, that’s I love drawing. So Doing, um, just coming up with new themes every season, and we just had Yu Gi Oh! [00:13:00] themed liveries for our IMSA season recently. And that’s been a really fun aspect for me in terms of actual racing highlights.

Um, it’s hard to say, just because for me there hasn’t been like a bunch of wins, because like I said, my league is so big. Super fast. So if I ever were to beat them, it would probably just be the highlight of my career. But I did the Ferrari eSports series this past year, and I totally did not think I was going to qualify period to the next round, but I made it through to the next round hot laps.

I didn’t know that I made it into a week before the race, so I didn’t have a lot of time to prep. So that would be my excuse, but I still managed P7, I think P7 in both of the qualifying races for that. So. That was a big moment for me, but honestly, e sports has really gotten me a lot of contacts, um, in motorsports in real life.

I’ve been able to meet a bunch of amazing people. I went to, um, the Ferrari Challenge race at Road Atlanta a couple years ago, and I was able to talk shop with people and [00:14:00] It really has been helpful in just building my professional career as well, just through this racing and being around people who are talking about it and, you know, having my own quote unquote experience behind the wheel, which does translate because I was lucky enough to track a few cars a couple of weeks ago and I just got to floor it in a Porsche 911 around track and it was easier to do that when you have some racing experience.

So it does translate.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s awesome. Can you tell me what cars did you drive and what track?

Emma Galasso: Yeah, so we’re at Apex Motor Club in Arizona. So it’s a private club and I got to drive the Taycan Turbo GT, the Porsche 911 Carrera, the 911 GTS, and the 911 Turbo S, um, and we just got to do, like, a We were on the line driving our own cars with an instructor out front.

So I think you just heard my doorbell, but there was a so we were just lead and follow with an [00:15:00] instructor and they were driving a 718 in front of us. So a little bit slower, but, um, they were, they were explaining the track to us through one way radios in the car. Um, so I would just give myself a little space with the person in front of me and then just kind of floor it down the track and there’s there’s nothing quite like Taking a 911 and just absolutely pedal to the metal flooring it on the track and I got the chance to do that Which was absolutely amazing Um, and also the taikon turbo gt is all electric So that was a completely different kind of quote unquote sports car drive And it’s that is an amazing car Um, and so that was a treat to drive, and of course, I have to say the 911 was, was my favorite, just because the, the braking is actually what made a difference for me.

And when you do sim driving, you’re used to, you have to like, pretty much stomp on the brakes in faster cars and stuff like that. So it wasn’t scary for me to hit ABS really hard and whatever. Um, because I did do that once and, but you just know what to [00:16:00] expect. So it’s, it’s really helpful to have the sim racing background.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, definitely. Sim racing experience can help you to improve in the real life. Uh, so also practice, uh, a lot of race room, uh, with Sepang because I raced at that time, uh, formal four in Malaysia, and that really helped me to fixed. Some mistakes, as you said, it’s, uh, it’s really cool to have a sim racing experience as a background.

Uh, and speaking about 911, that’s one, one of my favorite car, uh, in the world. And it’s really cool. So I drove it on the real track also, and I really like to drive it. And I racing, um, driving the Porsche cup 992, um, absolutely amazing car. One of the best in the world, really.

Emma Galasso: Yeah, it’s

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: a

Emma Galasso: pretty, it’s a pretty fun car.

Just getting in and starting the engine is pretty amazing. So I’m lucky enough that I got the chance to do that. And yeah, I get some, some work perks that let me drive those cars a lot. So it’s pretty fun.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: [00:17:00] Indeed. Uh, you also mentioned that you work in right now in automotive industry. Yes. And you like really close to some racing and some racing actually help you to reach some people in real life as well.

Uh, can you tell me more about your professional journey outside of the sim racing?

Emma Galasso: Yeah, so my professional journey is pretty interesting. I went to business school for college because I really wanted to get into the film industry and people said, well, don’t go to college for film go to college for business because film is a business.

And that’s probably the best advice that I got. So I did that. And then I immediately joined the film industry. So I worked for Marvel Disney netflix. Um, working on a bunch of movies and then ultimately went to work in stunts. So I handled the entire stunt team for several films and TV shows. And then, um, there was some big strikes the past two years ago.

I think it was now. And the film industry has kind of collapsed to be [00:18:00] quite honest. So I decided that I wanted to pivot and see what See if I could try my hand at getting into motor sports and automotive because I have such a passion for it and I wanted to learn more. And there’s nothing that makes you learn more than having to do it as your job.

So, um, I was lucky enough to, I mean, honestly, in film and in automotive, I had no contacts really. I just kind of cold called and cold contacted in my way. I literally went to races, um, like the Ferrari challenge, for example. I went to the race, and I was standing there, and they had a Puro Sengway there, just on display, it was one of the first ones to come to America, and I was like, oh my gosh, this has the V12, can I see it?

And the guy was like, what are you talking about? How do you know about the V12? And then we started talking, and he brought me over to all the other cars that they had, so, and then I got to meet the, like, the president of Ferrari North America, who just happened to be walking by. And just saying hi to people and, um, talking and then go, I actually went to, [00:19:00] for example, the Porsche experience center in Atlanta, Georgia has a sports competition kind of thing a couple years ago where you could just show up there, set a lap and see if you were the top qualifier, you could go to the next French sport.

And so I went to try my hand at it. I wasn’t very good at sim racing at the time, but I met one of the guys from my league there. I’d never met in person, um, found out he’s like a real life driving coach. Um, and he’s an amazing sim racer as well. And got to talk to him, got to talk to a bunch of people at Porsche.

And then, you know, just, just finding things to go to where car people are at that are actually involved in motorsport. Cars and coffee is really fun. We have those too. I go to those sometimes. But going to events where it’s more. You know, people are there to work at races. So, like, going to IMSA races, for example, if you have the opportunity and you’re in the U.

S. to go to an IMSA race, you get complete pit lane access, everything, just as a regular attendee, so it’s not like Formula 1 where you’re really limited. Um, I’ve met so many people just walking through [00:20:00] there, saying hi, you know, pointing something out about the cars, just being nice, always be nice to people, and don’t ask questions.

For things, um, just talking to people and it really helped me get a leg up into the industry and also honestly, sim racing, just meeting people and talking to people through sim racing has gotten me a lot of connections, um, including this one through any sports was just, I actually found Steffi through LinkedIn through somebody else.

That I was connected with and I saw this post about, I think it was, um, the fall cup. I was like, well, that’s pretty cool. And then ended up finding it at Eastwards through that. So just being open to connecting with everyone and talking with everyone can, can really help. And I would say that for any industry, but I’ve been lucky enough, sorry.

I’ve been lucky enough that it’s worked for me twice in two different industries. So there’s gotta be something there.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: It’s really nice that you’re going with the, with the flow of the life, yeah, and, uh, just, uh, connect people casually during, uh, visiting the events and everything. So I think that viewers can, [00:21:00] uh, definitely use this, uh, in, in their lives.

Um, for me, I also found a lot of people, um, as I’m streaming on Twitch, Streaming I racing and, uh, really just a lot of people come here and, uh, you know, met the Tony Cannan and I met a lot of other racing drivers like Daniel Morad and yeah, that’s pretty awesome that we got this opportunity and really some racing op open a lot of, uh, doors, uh, for yourself and it’s, uh, it’s nice.

Uh, can you tell me that, uh, about, um, do you have any like specific tracks and cars, uh, like your. your best combo and the combo which you like and dislike

Emma Galasso: also. I have to say that I don’t. Partially because my league, we race so many different tracks. I’m always trying to learn a new track, which I enjoy because I don’t really want to get, you know, kind of stuck.

I mean, [00:22:00] I gotta think. I don’t know if I have a favorite. I, I really, there’s so many things I like about different tracks and so many, for me, I think about the memories on, um, different tracks, like Watkins, for example, I think I talked about this in my last in a talk, but we had some amazing GT4 races at Watkins in my league.

And so Watkins is fun to me because of that. We also have, like, a running meme in my league about Watkins because all of us love it so much. Um, tracks I, I hate. Oh, I don’t know. I think there’s just certain parts of tracks that I hate. Like I’m thinking I love Monza as a track. I’ve actually been there in real life and it’s such a cool place to go to, but basically second, third sector of Monza is not my friend at all.

But I still love the track, so I can do really terrible on a track and still have fun there. And that’s what’s so cool is like you, to me, it’s like every corner is a different problem to solve and you got to solve them all the same time. So there’s a lot of. A lot of learning to be had and I would say [00:23:00] thankfully I don’t have a track that I completely hate though I’m sure if you went back in my like discord chat history on my league you’d see me hating a lot of tracks.

It’s not, I don’t actually, I can’t think of one off the top of my head so I guess it can’t be too bad.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, all the time. I noticed that, uh, you know, the most hated track, which you got in your list, that’s actually the track which you, uh, just can nail and you can race it properly. And you just dislike it.

Like, I hate this track. It’s so horrible or something like this. Um, that happened with Sebring for me. That’s really funny. Uh, so when I started to learn it, I was like, wow, it’s so complicated track to learn. I really dislike the flow of the track and everything. Uh, but when I learned it and I started to hit a really good pace on this track, I started to like, yes, I like Sebring.

Okay. Yeah,

Emma Galasso: I do have to say. Paul Ricard is not a track that I enjoy. I forgot about that one. But I did that one in [00:24:00] ACC and I was, I hated it. I didn’t think I got very good at it because I just think it was like one of the tracks I had to do and beat a certain time to get into LFM or something. And then I was.

The track changed before I qualified for it. So I was like, thank you. I can do something else now.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah. Like many people call the polycards as a big parking load or something like this. Yeah, definitely.

Emma Galasso: Yeah. And Sebring, we just did Sebring. I was actually at the Sebring race this year. I was at Sebring in the DPI for Rally League and it was awfully bumpy.

I didn’t do particularly well at Sebring, but it was, it was fun. You know, whatever. I still like it.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Well, Sebring is a challenging track because it’s actually flat, uh, but some bumps, uh, make your life really hard. Yes, definitely. Yeah, uh, you mentioned that you’ve been in Monza. I guess that there was some kind of racing event and, um, I would like to know if, uh, Can you compare the [00:25:00] motorsport in Europe and in United States and what’s different between them?

And what do you like the most like in United States within racing? And what do you like the most in European motorsport?

Emma Galasso: Yeah, so I was actually at Monza, there wasn’t a race going on. I just have friends that live right by it. So I was like, well, I think we should go visit. So I was able to go visit when nobody was there, which is cool because they have the old banking and stuff like that.

Um, I would say. Even though I haven’t been to a motorsport event in Europe yet, I have a bunch of friends who have been to many races in Europe, including American friends who went, and I guess I got to experience it a lot through one of my friends went to, um, the Austrian GP in 2021. So this was like way back in kind of the first one of the first races back from COVID.

And it’s just, first of all, in Europe, racing is so much more common, I guess, like everyone, like I was just in Italy two years ago, and they had, um, Mika hiking in on a cardboard [00:26:00] cut out in front of a tire place in America. Nobody would know who that was. You can put Michael Schumacher outside of a gas station in America and probably no 1 would know who Michael Schumacher is.

And it’s just something that. We have, we have our NASCAR drivers and stuff like that, that you’d probably, you might know their name. I’m sure a lot of people would, a lot more people would know a NASCAR driver than like Formula One. But, um, like even karting, for example, I was just speaking with a couple of people from Europe who were here for the Las Vegas GP, which I attended.

And it was, They were talking about how carting tracks, there’s carting tracks all over in Europe, and they don’t take that long to get to. The closest carting track to me is an hour and a half drive away and there’s just not really a place to access it. So, when we go to races for formula 1, for example, it’s way more expensive in the US and a lot of people, you know, they’re going because it’s formula 1, not necessarily for the racing.

Um, I would say, since drive to survive is a lot more crowded, [00:27:00] but there’s just kind of a different ambiance because. In Europe, you can still go to a race for not that expensive, but in the US, everyone who’s there is paying probably 500 at least, just to get like a general admission ticket there. Um, so there’s a lot of differences, but I think that racing, like IMSA racing, for example, has definitely changed in the 2 or 3 years I’ve been going.

It’s become way more popular and way more fun, honestly, but also a lot more crowded. It used to just be the diehard fans that were there. My first year at the Daytona 24, we were on the grid, walking around, whatever. My friends who’d been there before said, this is the most packed it’s ever been. And I was like, whatever.

The next year, it was 25 percent more crowded than we, than it was when I was there. So it’s becoming more popular and it’s, it’s becoming more of a thing. But, um, yeah, I would just say that in Europe, it’s more accessible and it’s more, uh, like more people are, have been around it for a while. Whereas in the US, that’s not necessarily the case unless, [00:28:00] you know, Probably unless you’re at NASCAR and maybe IndyCar.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: I think that NASCAR is so popular and also in United States, you got a lot of, uh, dirt ovals. Uh, it’s really popular because like everybody can buy the street stock. It’s so, so cheap to buy and you just, uh, can jump into races and it’s really cool opportunity because I think in Europe, uh, overall, even karting, like in Italy, it’s so expensive.

Uh, and, uh, yeah. You know, um, it’s not open really for everybody. And this is the fact which I like about the United States and their racing. Uh, because, uh, they got really nice racing series where you can just have fun and have your own car and race, like, Some weekends. Yeah. And, uh, that’s really cool opportunity, which we don’t have in Europe.

Um, if we’re talking about formalists, I’ve been into formalists in real life, and it’s really expensive. Like the whole season in, uh, Spain, [00:29:00] formal free cause like 300, 000 euros. or something like this. So there was a price for 2015 when I race, uh, informal masters. Uh, so yeah, but, uh, overall, I think that even if we’re talking about road racing, um, I think in Europe, more races, uh, in, in that category.

Yeah, definitely. Uh, if we’re talking about all walls, all walls are great in the United States.

Emma Galasso: Yeah, I would agree. I’m, to be fair, I’m not very involved in the ovals of the US, even though I’m kind of surrounded by NASCAR. But yeah, it’s kind of amazing to kind of, I came into it backwards, kind of, I was into road racing and Formula One, and then kind of became aware, I’ve always been aware of NASCAR, but came into the, the NASCAR fandom, I would say.

And since then, it’s just been, it’s kind of, it’s pretty funny, actually, to see the differences between NASCAR fans and Formula One fans, and just how, you know, Honestly, how NASCAR as an organization handles things versus like the FIA, for example, [00:30:00] um, like with Formula 1. Uh, so there’s a lot of differences there and it’s just it’s that’s part is interesting to me It’s like how the operations can be different even though to most people racing is racing They don’t even think about there being a difference between oval and road racing Um, so seeing all the nuances makes it makes it interesting and cool

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s always great that we got, you know, different series, different categories, which we, uh, which we enjoy.

I would love to go to United States one day and visit NASCAR because I’m just in love with Opels after I jump into our racing. And, you know, if you’re jumping into our racing and got all this, uh, like four licenses, uh, it’s a bit more right now. Um, and you just want to get out of rookies in every category and you’re trying to do this and you’re like, wow.

I like ovals and maybe I would like to drive them, uh, from time to time. And yeah, I get into the street stalls, then start to, uh, drive ovals and we get into, uh, Ines car and, um, broadcasting their [00:31:00] races also together with them and it’s really fun. You know, I just get into the championship and I know all drivers and you like, uh, I know getting nervous because they are fighting on the track.

It’s really cool. I would love to try ovals one day. Uh, but if you enjoy the other category, I think it’s really cool that you got the opportunity to watch like IMSA and other series as well. Yeah, absolutely.

Emma Galasso: And I think that America is becoming more accessible for all of it, which is really cool. Um, I would say not so much as Formula 1.

Formula 1 gets more expensive every year, but, uh, technically so does IMSA, but IMSA is probably, if you really like road racing, And so it’s the way to start out where you can really, you can be up close and personal with the car. You can see the drivers running around. You can say hi to them. And it’s not like, you know, there’s not like 50M people all around them.

Um, but I haven’t been to a NASCAR race yet. Actually, I, I’ve been to Daytona just for, for the Rolex 24, but, um, I cannot imagine Daytona full of people for the Daytona 500, which it’s always sold out. [00:32:00] So it, it must be amazing.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: I think Daytona 500 alongside with, uh, Le Mans 24, uh, that’s a van, which you Have to visit and Daytona 24 as well.

It’s a great event, which What you got in the United States? Would you like to transfer your sim racing experience ever in real life racing? So do you see that you got opportunity maybe in the future to jump into some races in real life?

Emma Galasso: Um for me personally, I I well if I’m looking at my own future right now, I don’t think that’s a Something that’s going to happen.

Never say never, but it’s not something I’m actively pursuing at the moment. Mostly because I still feel like I have so much I can learn from sim racing and with the way my work is right now and all the different things I’m doing, it’s so nice to be able to literally, I could shut my laptop right now, go upstairs, get on my rig and be driving in 2 minutes [00:33:00] versus, you know, I would have to, again, drive an hour and a half to the nearest track to me.

You know, get the car there, do all this stuff. I know a lot of stunt guys that I used to work with, um, and still work with now. Actually, they do a lot of drifting and there’s a drift track near right across the street from road Atlanta. Those guys have to drive an hour to 2 hours to get to that track, unload their car, get it all ready to go.

You know, then you got to replace the tires after so many laps and stuff like that. And it’s just, it’s very time consuming. Like it’s so rewarding, like driving around a nine 11 on a track was amazing and I absolutely loved it. But at the same time for me with, you know, what my career is looking like and all of the different things I’m pursuing.

So like trying to be better in sim racing is the goal right now. I would never say no to driving a real race car, but. My, my goal here is just to be the best sim racer I can be, not necessarily getting into like a real life series, though. I wouldn’t be opposed to it. It’s not my goal.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: All right. Yeah, sounds good.

Uh, [00:34:00] because many people also ask me, uh, so I stopped the, the racing career because of the financial questions, of course. Uh, so my team just completely shut down, uh, the program, uh, which we’ve been running, uh, for, uh, And unfortunately we lost all budget and everything. Uh, so, and then during COVID, I started to stream.

I started to get into some racing and erasing, uh, specifically. And I realized that I really like, uh, so I, I had the same, uh, side with you in this, uh, real life streaming. I really like to make the content and, um, actually. Get more people into sim racing inspire them with my own journey. And that’s my goal.

So right now So just be focused on the content creation be focused on sim racing as well because I would like to encourage people to jump into sim racing to improve their skills to Uh, just have fun in right here and, uh, find maybe friends and community and find a good team [00:35:00] where they can do endurance races, for example.

So, yeah, I kind of agree with you so that you not really, uh, want to jump right now because you just got different goals and it’s okay, I think from my side. Uh, because for now I also got different goals, but, uh, yeah, in the future, if someone going to tell me, like, would you like to drive, I don’t know, 9 11 cop on the road Atlanta?

I would say, yes, yes, for sure. Let’s go.

Emma Galasso: Yeah. Right now I’d be questioning, if someone asked me that question, I’d be like, are you really sure you want me in that car? But hopefully in a little while it won’t be that way and it is cool like when you Like we were talking about you have triples. I have still have a single monitor There’s so many things that when you’re in a real car Like just you know, I don’t use vr vr makes me a little sick.

I’ve tried it before But being in a real 911, being able to actually turn my head and look at the apex of the corner was, oh, this is really cool. And then during the race, like, what I love about [00:36:00] Soto Corsa and ACC is that you have, like, the built in kind of radar to see where cars are versus iRacing. You literally just have to either listen to your crew chief or.

You have to just know where cars are and so I kind of like, like, right now, I, I drive by racing with no, um, like, third party overlays or anything. I haven’t downloaded, but I just can’t for the life of me. Remember to put them on and for me, that’s actually been a good challenge because I really have to be aware of what’s going on because that’s always my goal is like, okay, even if I’m last, you know, doing a multi class race last place.

I still want to be able to clock where other cars are, get out of the way for blue flags, like, whatever, and I think having that mentality in each race and taking it as like a learning experience has helped me now, so that when I’m actually fast enough to race with other people, I have kind of the built in race craft from, You know being passed so much like overtaken, but at the same time Um, there there is a downside to that in the sense that i’ve been [00:37:00] told by several of my Teammates and league mates that i’m too nice when cars are coming up to me because I mean, you know this too when you’re driving It’s it’s all like a game of chess Essentially, you have to anticipate the person in front of you anticipate the people behind you Are they going to try to overtake you?

What line are they going to take? How can you? kind of You Stop them from doing it. It’s like, well, I say chess, but to me, it’s kind of like a very complicated game of connect for like, they’re trying to get four in a row and you have to, you know, stop them also trying to get your win of four in a row. So that’s a very kind of crazy analogy for that.

But at the same time, um, But when I’m driving that way, I’ve I’ve been known to be a little too nice because cars are coming up. There’s so much faster than me that I’m like, whatever. I’m just going to let them pass because they’re 3 seconds faster than me in a lap. Whereas 1 of the guys who is in our league, I was shocked we were doing a reverse grid race.

And he was, um, like consistently one of the slower guys, but he held the entire field back because he just defended really [00:38:00] well. And after a couple of reasons like that, I was like, man, I should just be more aggressive with my defense because I really like, yes, I’m going to make them upset by holding them all up, but I’m in the lead of the race.

That’s the point. That’s what I’m supposed to do. So there’s a lot you can learn. And I just love that mental aspect. And there’s also the emotional aspect. If you’ve got a really aggressive driver who, you know, is going to go nuts. If you block them and take themselves out, then you’re You already won, you know, that kind of thing.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Well, I really, uh, dislike people who just, uh, holding the whole field, uh, because, you know, you got like top five and someone holding on P6 the, the, the rest of the field. And we just, uh, got the big gap then to the leaders. And you know that it got better gap, uh, better pace than this, uh, guy. And you just can’t overtake him because he’s defending crazy, like a lion.

And. I really dislike that because you can let go of me and, you know, other people behind me and we’re going to catch the train and we’re going to fight for the top three instead of [00:39:00] fighting for the, like, P6, P7 or, like, P10, uh, so, I don’t know, I’m kind of, you know, trying to balance with my, so if I can fight with, with person, I see that our pace are equal, uh, so then I’m going to fight, I’m going to defend.

Uh, but if I see that someone faster than, than I, by like four or three tens, I’m going to let go of this person and just go into race with him. And, uh, probably we’re going to catch, uh, next people and we got the opportunity to overtake them. So this is what I’m doing usually. And I think this racing is about balancing, especially in a race.

Uh, because sometimes you got to. People who Harry so bad, then you let go them, they crushing somewhere with someone in getting two positions. Yeah.

Emma Galasso: Like right now, my two most popular videos on my Tik TOK are my first two rookie races in the MX five. I just did like a commentary, um, overview of those races.

Like I shortened them down to like a minute and that was [00:40:00] basically what it was. I let everyone else, first of all, I didn’t even. Set a qualifying time because I wanted to start in last place to avoid the carnage of turn one and then both races. I ended up podium like on podium because these all these cars were just rushing to get ahead and they were crashing into each other.

They don’t have race craft, but they think they do. So they take each other out. And it’s just funny because during my commentary, like I was, I was just like kind of joking around. I was like, yeah, and this guy passed me, but he got karma later because he hit someone else. And all these people in the comments were like, what do you mean you got karma?

You overtook you clean. And I was like, yeah, I know that’s the joke. If you overtake me, it’s bad. Always. It’s just funny to see, like, you know, the community kind of, um, doing stuff like that. But I mean, that’s what rookie races are all about. I think they’re really entertaining. I say that as someone who hasn’t been kind of crashed into yet.

But. I’m actually going to do some, um, D license races tonight in the GR86. So we’ll see how those go. What?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s all the time happening with me that I’m [00:41:00] with community, I’m streaming and I’m like, okay guys, let’s let go this, this guy ahead of us. And then he just creating the huge crash ahead of me

So I’m getting like three, four positions. Uh, that’s. That’s a great moment and everybody laughing because you know when you cold blooded when you calm down, you just doing your pace, doing your laps. I think this is the best which you can do because you actually have to race your own race. So if someone wants to go ahead like, okay, they can go ahead and that’s it.

So Maybe something bad going to happen. Maybe this person going to catch other people and help me also. So yeah, I think you have to balance here with this. And, uh, of course we all get nervous, uh, before races and during races and some, uh, really, uh, exciting moments. Uh, but I think you should be, you should calm down and be cold blooded in racing.

This is, uh, the best which you can do for your results.

Emma Galasso: Yeah, I always tell [00:42:00] people, like, whenever I join a race, I see people that are way faster than me. I kind of, you know, give myself a little pep talk, because a lot of people are really fast at hot lapping, qualifying and stuff, and then their race, their race craft and their race pace just isn’t very good.

And one thing that, you know, when you’re in last place and you’re fighting for last place, you learn to be really consistent, because if you spin out and you’re in last place, now you’re in last place by like two minutes or three laps. Then, like, you know, 10 seconds. So it was always, I find myself being a really consistent driver, which is frustrating when I’m trying to, trying to set qualifying times, because I don’t really have the ability yet to really put in a blazing fast qualifying lap, but.

My qualifying lap is usually my race pace or pretty close to it, which has been way more helpful, honestly, because I’ll get into a race and maybe I qualified 5th or 6th, but my pace is well enough that I don’t spin out. I don’t go off track and I’m able to pick up the places because of that.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: [00:43:00] Yeah, that’s cool.

Um, so as we girls in some racing and from my side, I can tell that some racing for me more friendly place for me as a male, uh, racing driver than in real life races, which I did, uh, what do you think can be done to encourage more girls to jump into some racing into racing as well in the future?

Emma Galasso: Um. I think definitely having visibility for women in some racing is important because I remember part of the reason I started doing my content was because when I looked for creators who were female who were doing, you know, some racing, there was one or two girls that no longer made content.

I don’t even remember who they are. And I was like, okay, and then also, when I clicked on their content, they were way faster than I was. And I was like, well, can I watch any videos of people who aren’t just like. World record fast and so I was like well I guess I can be that person you guys can watch me take last and I was kind of shocked because I [00:44:00] really made my Videos just more for myself as a kind of a journal of like how I’m improving But a lot of people were like, thank you.

Like I love watching your journey Like I also just started like I didn’t know that everyone’s going through this so I think just having visibility on the struggles of sim racing not necessarily just like the You know top accolades which I think are important and I hope that more women are able to take those You know big time accolades and I hope to be one of them But it’s it’s something about visibility But also I think like you said the communities of sim racing was way more Correct Um, normal and accepting than, uh, other games.

Like, I used to play Call of Duty a lot, and I was like a top 10, 000 player in hardcore domination Call of Duty, and I had my team, and we were, like, very in sync with each other, um, But everyone else when I, when I played, it was like just constant abuse or whatever. And I’ve never had anything like that in sim racing.

No one has ever, [00:45:00] I’ve gotten, what I do get is people just assuming I don’t know anything because I’m a woman, which happens in real life too about cars, but that’s really it. I’ve never had anyone claim that I was, you know. Not a good driver or something, because I’m a woman, which surprised me, because I kind of thought that people would just love to, you know, kind of come after women.

But I think that’s why, um. When you’re starting out in sim racing it’d be really nice to have kind of a blueprint from other Experienced sim racers of like hey, you know don’t if you’re doing iRacing and you just jump into iRacing with your voice chat on and your chat on all this stuff and People are just like yelling at you and telling you don’t know how to overtake like you’re not gonna like sim racing You’re gonna hate it because you’re like what the heck I don’t know what i’m doing So and it’s so difficult because sim racing really is like Real driving, um, people like in America, at least we’re always driving our cars.

You think you can drive a car around track. It’s absolutely not the same. And then there’s no one saying like, hey, this is race [00:46:00] etiquette. You either have to watch racing or just like, kind of know intuitively from doing it yourself or something like that. So I think it’s really hard for new people. It’s not like Call of Duty where you can just jump into a game, have fun.

You know, you’re supposed to do similar things. It has a lot more nuance to it. So I think education is really important as well and introducing new sim racers in general, but also women in a way that’s productive and showing them what sim racing really involves and how, you know, it is a community effort, but also just, you know, making sure that people are in leagues that are fun and inclusive and stuff like my league.

I got really lucky. It’s the second week that I joined and they’re super organized, super on top of it. Everyone’s super nice. Um, and, um, And that changed my whole sim racing trajectory, because if I would have joined a league that was, you know, abusive or didn’t treat me as an equal or something, that could have totally changed my mindset on it.

Um, and I kind of go into things with a, I wouldn’t say cocky because I don’t consider myself someone as cocky, but in my head, I’m like, really [00:47:00] trying to like, be like, I could be the best though. I could I could be the best. So I have that mentality going into it. And it just kind of, um, it’s helpful to get humbled honestly.

So my league, you know, I’m, I’m team last. These guys are kicking my butt every single week, but at the end of it, it’s like, okay, we watch our race review after every single race. We go back through the race. We watch incidents. We talk about it. Who was at fault stuff like that. And all of that is learning that comes in such a unique way that other kind of.

Yeah. Esports don’t really have, which is good and bad for new racers. So I think I’ve, I’ve long since lost the plot on this question, but, um, I, that would be my, that would be my thought is like, we just need ways for people to, to engage in some racing. That’s actually going to be productive. Like people don’t even know that you can get coached in some racing.

A lot of people are like, why you have coach for that? And I’m like, yeah, and I would be way worse of a Sim driver. If I didn’t have my coach. Thank you. Um, but [00:48:00] people, you know, it’s like any e sports in general, it’s still a pretty new thing and people don’t understand how big it is. Like it’s, you know, it’s going to be in the Olympics.

That’s how big it is. And people are still kind of thinking it’s just video games running around. But so changing the mindset overall, which I think is already changing, but there’s a lot of work to be done.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, it’s changing already. I can see more. Girls in, uh, iRacing as well. And I see that more girls streaming also, because when I started in 2020, I saw like, you know, two girls with me streaming iRacing, now we can see more and it’s really cool.

Um, I kind of agree with you that sim racing is a complicated. Yeah. So you just can jump like in Call of Duty and just play and have fun. Uh, so at least you can, you have to get like controller maybe to try it and, or. The wheel and pedals and, uh, probably then started to learn the base and how to build your line on track and all the [00:49:00] stuff.

So it’s, it can be complicated for someone. Uh, but I think if, if you’re passionate about, uh, cars, about racing, um, I think you’ve got a good opportunities to like some racing and then, um, you know, just improving it and, uh, also grow up as a person. Um, I think it’s a good. It’s a good sport. It’s a good hobby to have.

And I just, uh, hope that with, uh, Inuit sports also, we will get more girls into this wonderful sport. Um, and, uh, going to see more content creators as well.

Emma Galasso: Yeah, I agree. I think, um, I mean, I’m super thankful to have found this community just because, you know, I like to have something to work toward when I’m driving, whether it’s an official race, or usually it’s just been my league races every week, but having, like, the holiday invitational, for example, that was involved a ton of practice on my part, and it was good to be able to have [00:50:00] the chance to, you know, You know, really?

Okay. This is this is a race. It’s going to be stream. There’s going to be people. I got to prove myself and then, you know, I shot myself in the foot for that race. But at the same time, I still worked really hard and it was still really good improvement because we actually raced. Okay, I’m going to Jerry 86, um, in the fall cup and my time, even though, you know, obviously, whether it’s different, I racing stuff like that.

My best time. From the fall cup to the invitation, which was like 6 weeks apart, or maybe 8 weeks apart. Um, I had dropped almost a 2nd in lap time and my personal best lap was 6 tenths better, um, in the holiday invitational, which, yeah, you can attribute that to weather, but I’m telling you right now. I could definitely not have gotten that time for the fall cup race.

So, um, yeah, there’s a, it’s great to see improvement. And I think that’s what. You know, league racing can also help you do is you’re racing against the same people. You’re always trying to improve. And when you’re a beginner, your [00:51:00] improvements are seconds at a time. Whereas when you’re a really advanced in racer, your improvements are tenths or hundredths.

Um, so when you’re, you’re making that, you’re catching up. I remember the 1st time, um, One of the guys in my league was like, yeah, you’re like solidly in the mid pack now. And I was like, yes, I got it. I’m in the mid pack. I’m fighting for 10th. Like, this is what it’s all about. Like, you know, and then you really realize that you’re formula one.

It’s kind of like, Oh yeah. So and so got points. Big deal. But when you’re the person who’s been fighting from P20 to get to that P10, it’s like respect, like now you understand what it’s like. So, um, yeah, it’s a, it’s a really cool. Cool thing to be part of and just, you know, seeing more women getting involved.

Um, like, I was just in it. Esports actually had me go out to Vegas a couple weeks ago. Um, and I got to work with, uh, Blake Upton, who is a F3 driver, um, and now works with Formula 1 and stuff, but we got to just be me being there as a female representative for. Simracing, so [00:52:00] many women, old women, little kids came up to me and were like, it’s so great to see you doing this.

Like I didn’t even think, I was too afraid to get in a simulator, but then I saw you were doing it and I could go do it. And I’m like, yeah, that’s what we need is we need people to see that this is something that, you know, women can do too. Is equestrian sports and motor sports are the two things they say that are, you know, Like truly equal, which there’s obviously little nuances there, but pretty much true.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, I think that sim racing is, uh, uh, once again, I’m going to tell this, it’s more open and, uh, here is no difference in the physical aspect, uh, as well. So I think that, uh, you know, more girls not going to be afraid to jump into sim racing because, uh, real life racing can be really exhausting and, uh, it’s so.

Yeah. It’s so hard for body. Some races are so long and, uh, yeah, probably physically, uh, we can do some races, uh, in real life, uh, but you can have fun in sim [00:53:00] racing and the same time. Um, yeah, definitely. Can you tell me what’s your, uh, goals, uh, in the future for sim racing and for your professional career as well?

Emma Galasso: Yeah. Um, this year I’m really focusing on iRacing. Uh, it’s my first time really doing iRacing at all. Like I got. I guess I started, I got an iRacing account like in May or something, but never drove because it was really intimidating to me. Um, but now I’m really trying to get to iRacing, getting really focused on doing more actual events.

Um, even though I’m still trying to figure out kind of where my pace stacks up, I think now I’m no longer fighting for last. So, and just having that, um, confidence has helped me. To be able to think about pursuing these things, um, doing things like the Ferrari Esports series. Uh, Porsche doesn’t have it anymore, but they used to have like an Esports challenge.

Um, maybe it’ll come back, I don’t know, [00:54:00] doing stuff like that. And then just doing iRacing official races, um, 2025. Unfortunately, TikTok might be getting, uh, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, TikTok might be kind of, Getting pushed away side in the US. So there goes my whole 2 years of work.

So I’m trying to focus more on like the content creation side of utilizing Instagram or Twitch, even though I, I’m not much of a live. I really like doing things live when it comes to racing, just because for me, so much of it is still so mentally involved in learning, but balancing a chat plus racing plus learning is difficult, but honestly, it’s it’s where everyone’s going.

So. That might be in the future for me. Um, and really my all inclusive goal would be for the Olympic team for the U. S. I want to be a SIM driver on that team. Um, I don’t, I don’t really want to just be like the girl SIM driver that has to be there. I want to be the best [00:55:00] 1 on that team and we got plenty of time to get there and a lot of work to be done to get there, but I’m hoping that I can do it.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Great, uh, plans you got for 2025, definitely, uh, for Olympics. So I wish you good luck for this one. Uh, and speaking about, uh, racing, I think you would just, uh, you know, with some time going to learn tracks and, uh, step by step, you will get faster and faster. And also if you use the coach, uh, you know, the.

This process of how the practice working and how to be faster how to improve your lap times And I think that’s great. And what can you tell to new sim racers who starting like should they get the coach? Maybe they can find some guides on YouTube or something like this. So what’s what will be your advice for them?

Emma Galasso: So my advice would be to start small. So like kind of what we talked about earlier getting the Logitech G29 Starting out, you know, really simple. See if you actually [00:56:00] like it at first. I see so many people on Reddit who spend like 4, 000 on a rig. And then they’re like, yeah, I don’t really use it anymore.

So make sure you like it first, but also be ready to be frustrated. And that’s what’s so difficult for me. A lot of times I’m like, why am I not faster? What am I doing wrong that I’m not faster? And a lot of times there’s just so many things going on in your brain that you don’t realize. If we go back to the language analogy, if you’re trying to be fluent in a language, like as a native English speaker, I can usually tell when someone’s not a native English speaker because there’s little things that you do differently with your words.

You, you say something slightly off, whereas an English speaker, I 100 percent know what you’re talking about, but it’s still not 100 percent perfect. It’s kind of like racing. It’s like, you can have 90 percent of a trail break. Correct. But that 10 percent is going to put the difference between you being in 3rd and being in 1st.

Not only do you have to do it once time, like 1 time. Correct. You have to do it every single time. So there’s just [00:57:00] don’t be afraid to take last for a long time. Like, I’m telling you, I was in last place for 2 years, probably. And I. Never even cared because my, my community was awesome and I could see my own personal improvements.

Um, so being frustrated is okay. You’re really going to see if you’ve never done racing before, which I had, I had no racing experience going in my brain hurt after driving for like, 30 minutes. Like, I was like, this is like, taking a test. Like, I don’t know how I can do this. And, but eventually that goes away.

We had, um, the two. 0. 4 hours of data. I’m sorry of Lamar. So instead of 24 hours, since we’re all we all have jobs, we did like the 2 hours and 4 minutes or whatever. And I never, ever thought I could sit in a SIM rig for 2 hours at that time. And then, you know, by an hour 30, I’m like, oh, this isn’t too bad.

And you gradually start getting there. But it is a process here. It’s like, if you think about it, like a language, that’s like, [00:58:00] The best way to kind of think about it, your improvement, what it’s going to look like, you know, you can start stringing a sentence together pretty quickly, but you’re not going to be fluent for years.

And it’s the same with racing. You’re not going to be. You know, top tier until you have years and years of experience and which I heard that and I was like, yeah, but but I could be better, you know, I could do it better and faster. And it’s like, sorry, here we are, you know, but it’s good to have confidence and stuff.

But at the same time, just acknowledge the process and know how long it’s going to actually take for you to be good. And you also have to focus on being better. A lot of people just get in their rig, do a couple official races on iRacing with no practice. Like, maybe they practiced the track a year ago, and they’re just going back, like, you have to consciously make an effort to learn and be better if you actually want to learn and be better.

Some people don’t want it. They don’t care. They’re just there to race, which is totally fine. You can do that. But if you really want to be the top, you have to treat it, you know, like any other sport. You got to do your practice. You got to do your theory. You got to learn [00:59:00] from the best and go about it that way.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s true. So you just have to trust the process and go ahead. And also for frustration, we’re learning really good, um, most of the time. And I think the, from my side that I just, uh, saying everybody try to finish every race, like even you got some damage, but if you can keep the car on track, it’s really important to finish the race because you just registered to this race to finish it and you have to go.

Uh, doesn’t matter what position you got in the end. You just have to see this checker. Yeah. I

Emma Galasso: mean, I’m definitely improving that my team, my team never came in last for any series that I did when I was taking last because I showed up to every race and I completed every single race, just showing up and doing it and completing your 20 laps will put you ahead of a lot of people who think that they’re getting better.

So racing, but then don’t show up or don’t finish the race. [01:00:00] So I would definitely agree.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s true. So thank you so much for your time. That was nice to talk with you and I wish a happy holidays to everybody. And we’re going to see you in 2025. so much for being with us in 2024. That was a great time.

We’ll see you. Thank you so much, Emma.

Emma Galasso: Thank you so much. I really appreciate the time and I’m looking forward to next year. Happy holidays to you guys as well.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: See you.

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INIT eSports focuses on sim racing events and digital tournaments. They bring eSports content to fans and sponsorship opportunities to brands, while maximizing audience reach across multiple sports, industries, and platforms. INIT eSports is a woman-led company where Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Accessibility is in their DNA, and their platform aims to combat bullying and cheating to help make the eSports world as safe and fair as possible. To learn more, be sure to logon to www.initesports.gg today or follow them on social media @initesports, join their discord, check out their YouTube Channel, or follow their live content via Twitch.

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One Track Mind: Bob Gillespie’s Living Legacy in Paint

Motorsports history isn’t just written in lap times and trophies – it’s painted in vivid strokes by artists who capture the soul of racing. Few embody this better than Bob Gillespie, whose canvases and murals have become fixtures of Watkins Glen and beyond. His story is one of passion, persistence, and a lifelong pursuit of turning speed into art.

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Bob’s fascination with design began at age five, sketching airplanes inspired by his father, a pilot and aeronautical engineer. But one trip to Watkins Glen changed everything. The sleek forms of Jaguars, Lotuses, and Coopers became his new obsession – rolling sculptures that reminded him of aircraft, but with the visceral thrill of racing.

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Though he initially pursued mechanical engineering, Bob realized his true calling was art. He transferred to study painting and photography, eventually earning a master’s degree. Yet cars remained his muse, pulling him back to the track and into a lifelong dialogue between motorsport and artistry.

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This Break/Fix explores the artistic journey of Bob Gillespie, an artist with a deep passion for motorsports. We dive into Gillespie’s early life, his inspiration from car races, and how he seamlessly blended his love for art and automobiles. Gillespie shares his experiences of painting murals, his process of choosing subjects, and the technical nuances of his preferred medium, acrylic paints. The conversation also touches on his recent self-published book, ‘One Track Mind,’ which chronicles his artistic and motorsport journey. The episode underscores Gillespie’s belief in the shared state of mind between artists and race drivers, highlighting his dedication to preserving motorsports history through his art.

  • Last time we got together we were chatting about the genesis of the GGP and in that episode you mentioned some of your personal background, but this time we’re going to take a deeper dive into Bob Gillespie the artist, rather than Bob the environmentalist 😉 
  • Which came first, the artist or the petrol-head?
  • There’s so many facets to Art and Painting – How did you decide to pair the two together? What was the inspiration? Was it a race/event, a car, a photograph you saw?  
  • There’s all sorts of different styles of Art – what’s your chosen style/medium, and why?
  • Let’s talk about the Murals you’ve painted, you’re a large part of the Watkins Glen community. Why large murals? Which was the first (and why?) Talk a little about the latest one (also the cover of the book) found at the Chamber of Commerce 
  • What inspired you to publish a book about your art? What was that process like?
  • There’s a new trend of “photo realistic” paintings popping up all over social media; what are your thoughts on these types of pieces? 
  • Acquiring Bob Gillespie art. Do you work on custom commissions? Where can someone purchase one of your pieces? 
  • What’s next for Bob Gillespie? Upcoming pieces, projects or collaborations you can share? Events you’re going to be at in 2025 where people could see you work, or meet you?

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Crew Chief Brad: [00:00:00] BreakFix podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from all over the autosphere, from wrench turners and racers to artists, authors, designers, and everything in between. Our goal is to inspire a new generation of petrolheads that wonder what’s How did they get that job or become that person?

The road to success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.

Crew Chief Eric: For our guest, there has always been a joy to drawing and painting. His conscious ego fades into almost selfless, relaxed concentration. Time dissolves and the decisions become intuitive and not reasoned. Kurt Vonnegut put it like this, to practice any art, how well or how badly, is a way to make your soul grow.

So do it. And with that, Bob Gillespie considers himself very fortunate to have witnessed more than his fair share of history at the racetrack. He never thought his childhood heroes would someday have his art hanging on their walls. [00:01:00] And he’s here to share his story and how he got the chance to honor them while exploring ways to capture their sport in paint.

And with that, let’s welcome Bob back to the show. It’s a break fix. Hello, Eric. Hey, Bob. So the last time we got together, you were here chatting about the genesis of the Green Grand Prix. And in that episode, you mentioned some of your personal background, but this time we’re going to take a deeper dive into the who, what, when, and where of Bob Gillespie, the artist rather than Bob, the environmentalist.

So let’s start off talking about how all this came to be, which came first, the artist or the petrol head?

Bob Gillespie: I would say both of them came first at the age of about five years old. My dad was a pilot and I was crazy about airplanes. And then when I went to my, uh, first Watkins Glen race, All my airplane drawings switched to, uh, D jaguars and lotuses and all kinds of exotically shaped, streamlined, [00:02:00] rolling sculptures that reminded me of airplanes.

They were fast. All that excitement was something that just was already growing in me and already nurtured by my dad. I wanted to design cars. Dad was an aeronautical engineer. He came home from World War II, finished his degree and took over the family milk business, but he was a born engineer. He wanted his sons to be interested in all kinds of mechanical things.

And I was supposedly the smartest, one of the four brothers. I don’t know how true that is, but I wanted to design cars and I guess that was good enough. And so, um, I. Decided, Hey, I want to apply to General Motors Fisher Body Institute. Well, I had an interview and I was rejected and I thought, Oh, well, my fallback is mechanical engineering.

So I studied mechanical engineering for three years, took the calculus, took the physics, all the numbers, all the formulas and all [00:03:00] that, and realized, Hey. I thought I wanted to draw cars, and there was nobody there that was designing cars. Well, what do I really like to do? I like to draw, so I took one course at Potsdam State, which was just down the street from Clarkson College in the north country of New York State, and I knew I had to switch.

All my credits, surprisingly, were transferable. I majored in art and photography, got my degree in art. For two years, went back and got my master’s degree in fine arts, painting and photography at Oswego state college in upstate New York. But I had always drawn cars. I’ve done a lot of abstract paintings.

I’ve done many other kinds of artwork. But my love was always cars. I just kept coming back to that. I was fortunate to get a job just 30 miles up the road from Watkins Glen. And we went to the races every chance I could. I took photographs. I did drawings from my photographs. Started doing [00:04:00] paintings, then the research center in Watkins Glen started up in 1998.

That was five years before I retired from teaching. And I thought, well, if I’m ever going to really jump into this, now’s the time to do it. So, I met a lot of people at Watkins Glen. Cameron Argettsinger, Bill Green, the historian, a number of the original drivers that were still around. They started saying, well, when are you going to do a painting of me?

And so I said, get in line. This is going to be fun. I’ve done about 130 paintings of the races at Watkins Glen and some other locations too, but primarily American road racing and Watkins Glen history.

Crew Chief Eric: When was your first. First race, because there’s three different versions of Watkins Glen. And in your book, you reflect a lot on the early, early days, the road course around the gorge.

And then you talk about Watkins Glen, the interim circuit, and then we have the Grand Prix circuit. So when did you get your first taste of the Glen? Was it in those early street racing days?

Bob Gillespie: No, I [00:05:00] missed those. I saw my first race in 1960. It was the year before the first United States Grand Prix at Watkins Glen.

It was a Formula Libra. And so we had D Type Jaguars, Sterling Moss, and Rob Walker’s Formula One Lotus 18, I think it was. There were Cooper Climax, Jack Brabham was there. It was a mixed bag of cars, and it was so exciting because it was such a variety of cars. And the sounds were incredible. And the smells, because some of them were burning alcohol.

It was amazing. I was 11 years old. And that’s a perfect age for a kid to get hooked on cars. And it was just a few months after I had seen the epic movie Ben Hur, in which there was a very exciting chariot race. My brothers and I were crazy about chariot races. We had horses. And so, you know, a four horse hitch on a Roman chariot, [00:06:00] that was just such a wonderful movie.

When I went to Watkins Glen, here was what I saw as a Roman amphitheater with a modern chariot race, with entries from all over the world. All kinds of names that I couldn’t pronounce. It was very exciting.

Crew Chief Eric: There’s a lot of facets to art and to painting, and you studied a lot of different things and probably took inspiration from some of the masters.

And in the book, you mentioned all the paintings are acrylic, unless you otherwise stated that they weren’t. Why did you choose that as your medium? You know, versus oils versus water versus this. And there’s a lot of pen and ink and charcoal preliminary sketches that gets you to your paintings. So how did you develop your style?

How did you choose your artistic style?

Bob Gillespie: I had done a lot of oil paintings. Oil painting is a ritual because the paint has to dry. The colors are beautiful. They’re very vibrant. They’re glossy, but it’s a slow process. Acrylic, I could paint fast, and I [00:07:00] like to paint fast. If I goofed up, I could wait five minutes, let it dry, and put on another coat of paint and fix it up.

If I made a mistake in an oil painting, I had to sit there and wait and look at the darn thing for too long before I could paint over it or change it. The technology of paint has really changed a lot, but I do enjoy oil painting, but I just like to paint fast.

Crew Chief Eric: Considering some of the larger scale paintings that you do, like your murals, that would make sense that you want to do them as quickly as possible.

I couldn’t see doing the side of a building in oil paint.

Bob Gillespie: No, no. And another reason why you should never do that in oil paint is because oil paint will not flex like acrylic or latex paint. Acrylic or latex. It can take humidity changes much better. It can take temperature changes better. So with a mural, you really have to work with water based paints.

But yeah, for smaller paintings, I’d love to [00:08:00] try some oil paintings again, you know, get back into it. I’ve done a combination of acrylic and oils. Both. I’ve done a lot of airbrush also. I love airbrush, but I just keep gravitating back to acrylics. I’m just so used to them. You paint with what you’re familiar with, and the only trick of acrylic paints is they dry a little darker than they look when they’re wet.

And so you have to have that in mind all the time.

Crew Chief Eric: Reminds me of some of the other artists that we’ve had on the show. For instance, Lynn Heiner, you know, she falls back to her paint knives. That’s what she’s known for. And that’s what she got used to doing. It was something different pinstripe, Chris Dunlop.

He came from the auto body world and he does a lot of these one time passes, a lot of airbrushing, because he comes from the body shop industry originally. So to your point, you kind of fall back on what you got good at. And that’s your go to, right? In terms of style.

Bob Gillespie: Yes. There’s something about working with thick paint.

Just the physical nature of the paint itself and [00:09:00] just pushing it on a canvas or on a board. There’s some kind of therapy in there that’s a lot different than using an airbrush and these fine mists, you know.

Crew Chief Eric: Let’s talk a little bit more about the murals that you’ve created. If any of the listeners have had the opportunity or will get the opportunity to go to Watkins Glen, It doesn’t take much to run into a Bob Gillespie mural downtown, either on the side of the building, inside the Chamber of Commerce, all over the place.

How did you get into doing these large scale paintings, the murals that you see? The

Bob Gillespie: first mural I did, when I was in third grade, my art teacher invited me, and there were three or four other kids doing that too, to paint a window in the downtown area where I grew up, which was Fulton, New York, and it was right next to the theater.

And it was Christmas time, and so we were painting snowflakes, and I just really enjoyed working big. My next experience was in college, a hamburger place. It wasn’t [00:10:00] McDonald’s. It was before McDonald’s. There’s outlets called Carroll’s Hamburgers, at least in the Northeast. While I was at Potsdam State working as a painting major, I was invited to do a mural.

In fact, it was a history mural to put up in a hamburger place at fast food, which is only in a college town. I guess you get a job like that, but I enjoyed that. I’ve always loved history. I mean, that’s a big part of it. I love history. All aspects of it. These murals that I did all involve specific moments in history, and I try to capture them as accurately as I can.

Crew Chief Eric: So let’s talk about your latest one, which can be seen right now if you go to the Watkins Glen Chamber of Commerce right downtown on Franklin Street, and it’s also the bottom half of the cover of your book, One Track Mind. So tell us about how you put it together. Why you were commissioned to do it.

What’s it all about? What’s the story trying to tell?

Bob Gillespie: The story is trying to tell Denver Cornets [00:11:00] story. He told us to many people about how the only time he had polled position in a race was in the 1952 queen Catherine cup, they drew straws. And that’s how I got the pole position. Actually, it was a Le Mans start.

They had to run across the road, hop in the cars and go. Denver was the first car. The trouble was Bill Spear had the means to buy a real brand new Asuka, which in 1952 was, was just sensational. It had 1500 CC displacement. This race was for one and a half liter cars or less. Bill Spear, Drew, I don’t know.

Fourth or fifth place. Denver told me that he pulled out, he led the race through the first two turns, and then Bill Spear passed him. Like he was pasted on the guardrail is what Denver said. He wanted me to do the start of that race because I could show him in the lead, but you see Bill [00:12:00] Spear in the Oscar kind of looming up behind him.

There’s a real narrative element to that painting. And you can see that many of these cars. Race with license plates on them. They were driven to the track, but Bill Spear had this brand new Oscar and he just ran away with this race, but I thought it was a dramatic scene. If I could put the viewer right in the middle of the road and in a mural.

That would be nice because, uh, you know, it’s kind of intimidating

Crew Chief Eric: for sure. And having seen it in person, I mean, it’s so big and the perspective, the cars almost seem like they’re going to run you over there that lifelike. And they’re that big. And you’re like, man, they’re just coming right at you. Almost jumping off the wall with something as large as the mural that’s at the chamber of commerce.

How long did that take to create?

Bob Gillespie: It actually took 12 weeks. But I had to commute. I would work three or four days a week, maybe six hours, seven hours. [00:13:00] And I took two weeks off, but there was a lot of setup and teardown because I couldn’t leave everything out because they opened early and sometimes stayed open late.

So I had to clean up my paint, put my equipment away. So yeah, that set up and tear down was a kind of a pain, but it was actually, that whole experience was wonderful because I met people from all over the world. They have thousands of people come in during the summer from all kinds of distant places. I made an effort to talk to anyone that would say hi or just say hello.

Gee, that looks nice, you know, asked him where they were from and just started up a little conversation. So that took a while also.

Crew Chief Eric: When we were there together looking at it, you had mentioned that there was a lot of issues you had with lighting doing a mural that large inside of the building. You needed it really, really dark.

Bob Gillespie: Yes, because they didn’t want me working in there at night. If they had given me a key to the place, [00:14:00] it would have been a lot easier. I was working from a sketch the fastest way to do it. There’s really two ways you can grid a wall out and scale your sketch with the same grid. Scale it up to a wall, or you can project it on the wall, or you can do both, which I did.

And so I had to get it dark in the uh, chamber of Commerce in the middle of the day, and I would have them turn off the lights. I would hang sheets or drop cloths, whatever I could find, to block out all the windows, so that I could take my Kodak carousel projector. It’s hard to find slide film anymore, so I’ve got a slide mount machine, so I took negatives of print film, put them in slide mounts, and I had the image divided up into nine sections, and so I could project them up on a grid, one by one, Paint each one and then key the next projection off that and trace the basic lines so I could grow [00:15:00] the image that way.

The disadvantage for the Chamber of Commerce was it looked like it was closed in the middle of the day when they’re in peak tourist season.

Crew Chief Eric: You make it sound so simple, but I guarantee it’s more complicated than we realize. What a feat of engineering in a way. To take your drawing that you probably did on an eight and a half by 11 and scale it up to something that’s 40 by

Bob Gillespie: 20.

You have to decide on the major lines. There’s no way that’s a very complex image and you have to just figure which lines are the most important and which ones you can just fill in. It is tricky. At least you’ve got the basic perspective, right? Positions of things so that they’re the same size, but it helps.

I’ve done about 20 murals. That also helps. It all takes practice.

Crew Chief Eric: As you’ve been going through all these different paintings, you mentioned over a hundred, I counted in the book, 84 paintings alone, just in the painting section, how did you choose what you were going [00:16:00] to do next? Was it just, you had a queue of people like a deli counter going, I’m number you know, 92 now serving 92, you know, the next one in line, or did you just paint what you wanted?

Bob Gillespie: Some of them were requested by people. Some of them were my own ideas. Many of them originated in stories that I just wanted to experience myself in a visual form, and I wanted to compose a scene in a way that was plausible, that captured the excitement, because there’s a lot of photography. Some is excellent, but not all.

You can paint from a perspective that you can’t photograph from. In other words, you can’t stand in the middle of the road during a race and take a photograph. I can stand in the middle of the road as a painter and paint those cars coming right at me. You know, one exciting aspect that you can use to get attention is you put the spectator, the viewer of the painting, in a position of danger.

You know, uh, that [00:17:00] definitely gets their attention. You know, these cars are coming right at you,

Crew Chief Eric: but there’s several of your paintings that you even mentioned that as you’re describing them, you know, the police officer shooing people off the bridge and you’re off to the side as the cameraman, or, you know, There’s the one shot of the cars coming up the S’s in the early days of the third generation of the track, what we know now to be the Grand Prix track.

It feels like the car is just leaping out of the page in your direction. Another one is that swooping downhill turn at, you know, 100 plus miles an hour. It just gives you this rush, even though everything’s completely static, but you get this feeling of how fast the driver is going down along the gorge down that hill.

What an incredible job.

Bob Gillespie: A lot of that is derived from photography where you can pan with your subject, follow the car, the car is going to be in focus, but the background is going to be smeared out. You have to know how much to smear the background. If you totally just make it a bunch of horizontal lines, it’s going to be boring.

You still have to [00:18:00] maintain some recognizability of that background, you know, so that people understand where it is. It just makes it more exciting, I think. It’s always a challenge to try to find different ways of capturing motion in paint.

Crew Chief Eric: Before we transition to talking a little bit more about the book, which we kind of are walking backwards into the big question of why’d you write the book, but we’ll get to that.

I got a pit stop question I got to ask you, Bob. We love asking artists and photographers this question, which is, The most beautiful or the sexiest car of all time, in your opinion. Is it that 930 Cabriolet that’s on the back cover of the book or is it something else?

Bob Gillespie: No, you know what I’m always drawn to is the Ferrari 250 GT short wheelbase.

Not the GTO that followed it. I remember my father had a sports car graphic magazine. It was before it was car driver. Maybe it was road and track. I can’t remember. But they had this, when the GT category was introduced, and I think it was [00:19:00] 1960, 61, somewhere in there, they had these, Cars that were GTs and they had a 250 GT short wheelbase, and I just thought that was the most gorgeous thing, and I’ve never changed my mind.

It’s just this, for me, this classic shape, and it has something to do with the proportion of it.

Crew Chief Eric: So do you believe that? The wives tale, if you want to call it that, that at that same time that that car was being developed, that Enzo turned around and said that the E Type Jag was the most beautiful car in the world.

Bob Gillespie: No, I don’t believe that myth. No, I hope he never said that. A car has to look fierce, you know, and that, that was Enzo’s attitude. I mean, who knows, maybe he said it, but I was at the New York auto show at the debut of the XKE Jag. My dad took me and my four brothers. To the New York auto show and let’s see that that had to be 1961.

I think the E type was introduced and they had it. So they had the XK E there, but then they had a C type and a D [00:20:00] Jag. And we could walk up close to those and examine all of it. It was wonderful. I love Jaguars also. I mean, there’s a lot of cars, but there’s just, Something classic that just never changes about that 250 GT.

Crew Chief Eric: So the inverse of that would be pretty obvious. The ugliest car of all time. Is there one that gets under your skin? Or as an artist, do you find the beauty in, in all designs?

Bob Gillespie: I hated the AMC. Was it a Gremlin? What was the bubble?

Crew Chief Eric: The Pacer. Pacer.

Bob Gillespie: Is that the

Crew Chief Eric: Pacer? The one that inspired the 928. Allegedly,

Bob Gillespie: that car is way too big for the shape of it.

If that was a micro car, it might work, but it did not work.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, you’re right, Bob. It didn’t work on multiple levels, but there’s cult followings for everything.

Bob Gillespie: That’s true. And my neighbor had one, so I had to look at that thing.

Crew Chief Eric: So [00:21:00] let’s switch gears. Let’s talk about your book, One Track Mind. As you said, you’re a student of history and of art and a motorsports enthusiast through and through. You’ve been hooked since day one. And as you said, your paintings are this chronology, they’re telling a story of time past and of races gone and people, you know, drivers you met, there’s a whole ethos to one track mind.

When you read the book cover to cover, you realize you’re telling not just your life story, but the life story of others and people that you’ve met along the way. And so I wondered, you know, as an artist, And a photographer, what made you decide to just say, you know what, I’m going to write a book and not only just write a book, but you’re self publishing this book.

So you’re doing a lot more of the work that let’s say other people would farm out. So to take on this challenge at this point, why

Bob Gillespie: I wanted to do it myself because I wanted it to be in my own words. And I was frustrated that my three favorite painting instructors That I had in undergraduate school and grad school never wrote [00:22:00] a book.

They never wrote much about what they did and why they did it. And when my favorite one, his name is George D. Green. He had one man shows in New York City, paintings and art museums throughout the country. When he passed away, I wrote something, the funeral home, you could write notes. And so I wrote something.

I got a phone call from his widow, from his wife. And she wanted to know about him, and I told stories of how he nurtured me and my attitudes towards art. And she said, well, you know, George just spent all this time in the studio and never wrote much about what he did and why he did it. And I showed her some of my artwork, corresponded back and forth.

She was on the West Coast. She said, well, I want you to write a book. So she inspired me. And then this other patron of mine was also a book publisher. He wanted to do a book about my artwork, but I told him, I guess I’m a control freak. I kept putting him off because I knew if there was going to [00:23:00] be a book, I wanted it to be in my own words.

And my dad had written his memoirs. And that was part of it too, just for the family. He never published it. I always enjoyed selling things too, because my family was in the milk business. As soon as I could ride a bike, I was sitting around knocking on doors on a Saturday morning, collecting milk bills. I was nervous as hell, but you got over it and pretty soon you enjoyed collecting money from people, you know, hey.

And I thought, well, if I write it and sell it myself, Then I cut out the middleman and I had always worked with a printer for my calendars that I did. And I was very satisfied with their work. I didn’t know that they could print a book, but I mentioned it to them and they said, yeah, yeah, we can do that.

So we started talking and it was affordable for me. And now I’m in my second printing. It’s just the way I was born. Brought up, I think, added into that whole thing of self-publishing.

Crew Chief Eric: The way the book [00:24:00] is designed, if you saw it sitting on my coffee table or yours, you go, man, that’s a gorgeous coffee table book.

And you can kind of thumb through it and get the idea of what’s in there, right? The large portion of your art collection, not all of your art, it focuses specifically on motorsport and cars and racing and all those kinds of things. But if I was gonna say, you know, you need to read Bob’s book. Are there particular paintings or sections of the book that you would say really hone in on this, something that is very touching for you?

Like, we’re all going to have different interpretations of it, but Bob, in your own words, what should we be focusing in on? Is there a particular portion of it?

Bob Gillespie: I think you should be focusing in on how artwork that’s exciting keeps a person young. For me, painting these pictures and viewing these paintings Keeps the child in me alive.

Yes. I’m a landscape painter that happens to put cars as exciting focal points. I love landscape painting, but I need something besides just scenic qualities. I need that excitement. It’s the same reason that I [00:25:00] go to automobile races. It’s pretty basic when it comes to noise. Smells, sights. It’s a spectacle.

Painting a spectacle of road racing keeps my mind in that awake stage. For me, it’s a perfect vehicle for me to keep that childhood excitement that I had when I was 11 years old watching those Dee Jaguars and then Sterling Mawson and stuff. Formula One and it’s my way of keeping that experience with me.

The act of painting it is exciting.

Crew Chief Eric: If you read the entire thing and you really analyze the paintings that are there, if they had been laid out in sequential order, you could almost flip through and turn by turn go through the track, whether it was the first generation, second generation or third generation of Watkins Glen.

And so what I took away from it and I sort of wondered was Bob painted it. a scene on almost every turn, straight away chicane that exists or existed. But what’s his favorite? Like I couldn’t hone in on, okay, [00:26:00] he’s done this turn so many times. That must be his favorite vantage point on the track. That’s where he likes to watch at Watkins Glen.

So what is that for you?

Bob Gillespie: On the original track, 6. 6 mile round the gorge circuit. My favorite spot is right after they come into town around that flat iron building, that brick one with the French mansard roof. They came down this steep hill. They came screaming into town and then around that left hand turn and then had to break and turn on to market street.

My favorite scene is looking up 4th Street, which is that street where they turn on to Franklin Street from seeing the cars just after they’ve come down the hill and around that flat iron building seems to have all the ingredients I really like and it’s architecture, it’s cars and it’s trees and it’s people all in close proximity.

On the, uh, present Grand Prix [00:27:00] circuit, one favorite spot I’ve got is Turn 8, which it’s the heel of the boot. They come around, and then they go up the little hill, and then around the slowest turn back onto the NASCAR track. The reason I like that turn is because you can stand there, and I think I put this in a book.

There’s hardly anybody there. It’s like the cars are putting on a show just for me. They come in from my left. They go right in front of me. I can watch how they exit the turn, and then I can watch them go up around that slow turn. It’s almost like a carousel turn, and you can stand right in the middle of it.

And there’s no huge fence. That’s what I like about it too.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, one of the coolest pieces of trivia that I took away from the book is sort of in that middle section of paintings when you start talking about Briggs Cunningham, the Cunningham team, racing at Le Mans, racing at the Glen, the Cobras, the C4Rs, and you mention the That one of those Cunningham paintings that you were commissioned to make was actually used in [00:28:00] the cover of Burt Levy’s book, The Last Open Road.

I said, wow, what an honor. What a little known fact. Bob Gillespie’s art is on the cover of this really famous book. How did that make you feel to be involved in that?

Bob Gillespie: Oh, it was a huge breakthrough. Just that Cunningham’s at Stonebridge painting was a real game changer for me. And that, I think I painted that in 1998.

Right when the Motor Racing Research Center was starting up, I sold a gazillion prints of it. The Cunningham people came up to me and said, hey, we’re making some reproductions, can we use that on our promotional materials? And then Bert came up and wanted to put it on his book. I had somebody tell me the other day, wait a minute, that’s not on the book.

And I said, well, it’s on the jacket that was on the book. He didn’t print the ink on the hardcover itself, it’s on the jacket. It’s on the jacket. But yeah, that, that was a big deal and it was a real honor. It was a recognition thing that was humbling, really. I never sold that painting. That painting is [00:29:00] hanging in our living room.

I’ll never sell it.

Crew Chief Eric: You got a copy of the last open road. You need two signatures now, two autographs on there. You need Bert’s and Bob’s on that thing to make it look right.

Bob Gillespie: That’s right.

Crew Chief Eric: Going back and talking about art styles for a moment, one of the other things that I learned from reading the book and learning about your past and how you came up through art and became an art teacher and all that is you mentioned the early days of photorealism, which has really taken to new artists.

Now you see a ton of photorealistic paintings popping up. All over the place on social media and on the internet thinking about Samantha Zimmerman and Chris Dunlop and Manu Kampart and all these guys that you look at these things and you’re like, is that a photo or is that a painting? Especially when you’re far away from it, you realize once you zoom in, it’s not a poster, it’s been painted.

Why such a draw into this high resolution type of painting? Is it something that you would teach in class? Is that one of the skills that you’d pass on to folks?

Bob Gillespie: I view photo realism [00:30:00] as a technical exercise. You’re copying a photograph. A lot of people that do photorealism use three colors like the, uh, you know, cyan, magenta, yellow, and they mix them so they can reproduce the colors just like a photograph.

Why are people drawn to that? I think it’s just because of the magic of photorealism. Creating an illusion on a two dimensional surface, you can kind of make it disappear like a photograph. Our lives are surrounded by photography. We’re so used to photography, we think, Oh, that looks just like a photograph, meaning photographs are the most realistic images around.

Well, they’re not. If you look at some artwork that was done in the 1800s.

Crew Chief Eric: Like a Vermeer.

Bob Gillespie: Yes, 1600s. Yeah, a lot of Dutch painters, but there have been a lot of painters that have done what you’d call super realism. Which is more realistic than a photograph because they get [00:31:00] details in the darks. And details in the lights, you’ve got a full range that you could only get with multiple exposures of a photograph, just because the human eye can detect, you know, like a million different colors.

Don’t quote me on that, but photography is limited. But you can get more colors and paint than you can with photography.

Crew Chief Eric: That also lends to a conversation around the next generation of, let’s say, super realistic or photorealistic art. And that’s coming from AI generated

Bob Gillespie: these bots,

Crew Chief Eric: like a stable diffusion, a Dali, a mid journey, you know, those kinds of things.

So what’s your feeling, what’s your take, what’s your opinion on these types of programs that are now available and do they take away from the artistic world or the. Augmenting it in some way,

Bob Gillespie: I’d be interested to see AI generate a copy of one of my paintings, you know, which would be illegal. You know, you sign and [00:32:00] date a painting, you sign a number, a print, you have a certificate of authenticity that comes along with it.

I think AI generated artwork, and maybe I’m being naive about this, just make artwork from a good painter even more valuable, simply because the buyer knows it’s one of a kind, where AI could generate two paintings that are the same quite easily. I don’t know if they do. I haven’t seen how many lawsuits there have been yet on AI generated, but there’s also the, the surface too.

There’s a richness in the surface of a real painting that I would like to see AI try to copy. You know, in a one of a kind image. Yeah, you could make a lot of different copies of texture, a canvas in the right way, you know, and you say, okay, this brush mark is going to be here and we wanted the paint to be actually be thick.

I don’t know how you do all that with a one shot [00:33:00] AI image. I don’t know how you get that texture quality in there. I, I have a lot of questions about AI generated architecture.

Crew Chief Eric: I think we all do on multiple levels.

Bob Gillespie: No one has a good answer. Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: But I could see it as a way for somebody starting out to use it as a tool to help them maybe communicate what’s in their head.

On to, let’s say an eight and a half by 11. I joke all the time, I’m not a graphic artist. I have a hard time communicating to somebody what exactly I would want to see on a canvas, but if I could mock it up in AI and then take it to you and say, Bob, okay, so this is sort of what’s in my brain. Can you make a painting out of this?

That would be really cool.

Bob Gillespie: Yeah, I think there would be a market for artists that would do that. Sure. I agree. I think all art makes life. It’s like Kurt Vonnegut said, I got a Kurt Vonnegut quote in the beginning of the book, which you read, and then there’s one at the end of the book that says, the arts are not a way to make a living.

They are a [00:34:00] very human way of making life more bearable. So I think if AI can generate some big murals in depressing locations. I think that would be wonderful. I don’t know if we should put illusions on the sides of cars.

Crew Chief Eric: I think we call those liveries, Bob.

Bob Gillespie: Yeah,

Crew Chief Eric: but I get your point. I mean, there’s a lot of different ways to do this, but also there should be, and there are a lot of different tools in an artist’s toolbox, right.

Or, or on their palette, AI might just be another one. It can be used for good and it can probably be used for evil too. Right. In this instance. And I think that leads us into our next question, which is talking about commissions and getting in line at the deli counter for some Bob Gillespie art. So how do we acquire some of your art?

How does one purchase your pieces or go about getting something made?

Bob Gillespie: I’m quite proud that I, uh, with the help of a friend, I’ve developed a new website called glenspeed. art. Right now it’s [00:35:00] got about 30 of my most popular prints on it. People can buy my artwork. I signed a numbered print online. Again, I’m a controlled freak.

I make my own prints. I’ve got a 10 color printer. I control the whole process and the quality of it. And so, yes, people can buy my artwork or commission a painting through glenspeed. art is my website.

Crew Chief Eric: We talked about, you know, how do you choose your next painting, but what’s next? What are you working on?

Any spoilers? Anything you can share?

Bob Gillespie: I’m doing volume two of the Watkins Glen International Coloring Book. I did a coloring book in 1998, and now It’s been a few years and the Racetrack would like me to do another one. I’m working on that and then I’m going to work on the festival poster for next year for the Watkins Glen Grand Prix Vintage Festival.

The theme is Porsche, so I’m excited about that. A

Crew Chief Eric: lot of other artists we’ve talked to Go to different car shows or events, or they have viewings and things like [00:36:00] that. Do you have anything lined up in terms of where people can come and see your art in person?

Bob Gillespie: Well, they could go to the Franklin street gallery in Watkins Glen.

I’m just up the road. They could stop by at my place if they wanted to see some artwork. I’m happy to say that I’m fortunate to sell just about all of my artwork. I have very little here at my house that I’ve done because I’ve, I’ve sold just about all of it. I’ve got a big old Victorian house and, uh, I work on big paintings in certain rooms and small paintings at the kitchen table.

So I’ve painted in about every room in our house. But yeah, Franklin Street, Mark and Glenn, it would be the place to see a lot of my artwork for sale.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, Bob, we’ve reached that part of the episode where I like to invite our guests to share any shout outs, promotions, thank yous, or anything else that you’d that we haven’t covered thus far.

Bob Gillespie: I’d like to put out a big thank you to the International Motor Racing Research Center for all the help they’ve been to me over the years. Bill Green, Sports Car Club of [00:37:00] America, which has been wonderful to me. I’m a member of the Glenn Region Chapter, the people at Watkins Glen Promotions, the people at the Watkins Glen Chamber of Commerce.

I’m very fortunate to have a lot of people that have encouraged me and given me an opportunity to exhibit and sell my work.

Crew Chief Eric: Bob’s book includes quotes that he chose to shed light on the creative process. They were made by artists that he admires and unexpectedly his auto racing paintings enabled him to befriend a generation of remarkable people involved with American road racing.

Many of those are no longer with us, and their quotes are also included and offer first person insights and perspectives on the sport. Bob believes there is a shared state of mind between artists and race drivers. Perhaps it’s a reliance on intuition along with a constant striving for perfection. If you’d like to pick up a copy of Bob’s book, One Track Mind, The Art of Bob Gillespie, you can log on to www.

glenspeed. art to order a copy [00:38:00] for yourself or someone you know that would enjoy a wonderful book like this, too. And with that, Bob, I can’t thank you enough for coming on Break Fix again, but this time sharing your passion for motorsports, enthusiasm, and art with us. You are the living embodiment of why we do this show.

These are the kinds of stories we love. You’re the type of enthusiast that we all look up to going live an incredible life, steeped and surrounded by motorsport, which is something that we all aspire to do. So Bob, thank you for what you’ve done for the community, for the world, for everyone, and keep doing what you do best painting and drawing and putting out some fantastic artwork.

Bob Gillespie: Thank you so much, Eric. I really appreciated the opportunity. All this enthusiasm is just a wonderful thing for us to share with our feelings about automobiles and history and racing. It keeps us all young.

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Highlights

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  • 00:00 Introduction to Break/Fix Podcast
  • 01:07 Meet Bob Gillespie: The Artist and Petrolhead
  • 01:35 Early Inspirations and Career Beginnings
  • 02:45 Transition to Art and Photography
  • 04:11 Capturing Racing History in Paint
  • 04:56 The Excitement of Watkins Glen
  • 06:16 Choosing Artistic Mediums
  • 09:13 Creating Large-Scale Murals
  • 10:37 The Story Behind the Chamber of Commerce Mural
  • 13:44 Techniques and Challenges in Mural Painting
  • 18:21 The Most Beautiful Car: A Personal Opinion
  • 20:15 The Ugliest Car of All Time
  • 20:59 Switching Gears: One Track Mind
  • 21:42 The Inspiration Behind the Book
  • 24:09 The Excitement of Motorsport Art
  • 26:08 Favorite Spots at Watkins Glen
  • 29:12 Photorealism and AI in Art
  • 34:45 Acquiring Bob Gillespie’s Art
  • 36:41 Shout Outs and Final Thoughts

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Walking around Watkins Glen

If you happen to be in town for the IMSA Sahlen’s Six Hours or the NASCAR events at Watkins Glen International Raceway be sure to take a stroll down main street and keep an eye out for Bob’s artwork on the sides of many of the buildings.

In case you missed it, Bob is a returning guest and was previously on Break/Fix talking about The Green Grand Prix which is an educational and competitive event in Watkins Glen, NY including the only Official SCCA road rally that promotes entry of all road- legal vehicle types and fuels in North America. The Road Rally is sponsored by THE DORIS BOVEE MEMORIAL FOUNDATION and TOYOTA. Doris Bovee was an environmental enthusiast and the road rally is a tribute to her. Learn More.

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Bob experimented with oils, airbrush, and mixed techniques, but acrylics became his signature. Fast-drying and flexible, they allowed him to capture motion and drama with immediacy – perfect for murals and large-scale works. “You paint with what you’re familiar with,” he explained, noting how acrylics let him correct mistakes quickly and adapt to the demands of monumental projects.

Photo courtesy of Bob Gillespie, www.glenspeed.art

Living not far from the legendary circuit, Bob immersed himself in its culture. He befriended historians like Bill Green and original drivers who urged him to paint their stories. Over time, he produced more than 130 works chronicling American road racing, with Watkins Glen as the centerpiece.

His murals – seen throughout downtown, including the Chamber of Commerce – transform walls into immersive race-day experiences. One depicts Denver Cornett’s pole position at the 1952 Queen Catherine Cup, cars charging toward the viewer with cinematic intensity. Bob’s technique places spectators “in the middle of the road,” a perspective impossible in photography but electrifying in paint.

Bob’s self-published book, One Track Mind, is both memoir and gallery. Inspired by mentors who never documented their own journeys, he wanted to preserve his story in his own words. The book blends personal anecdotes, motorsports history, and over 80 paintings, offering readers a visual lap around Watkins Glen across its three generations of track layouts.

For Bob, the act of painting is more than craft – it’s a way to stay young, to keep alive the childlike wonder he felt at age 11 watching Sterling Moss and Jack Brabham thunder past. “Painting a spectacle of road racing keeps my mind awake,” he says.


Beauty, Speed, through the eyes of an Artist

Asked about the most beautiful car ever, Bob doesn’t hesitate: the Ferrari 250 GT Short Wheelbase. Its proportions, he insists, are timeless. Conversely, the AMC Pacer earns his vote for ugliest – proof that even artists can’t find beauty in every design.

These opinions reflect his philosophy: cars must look fierce, embodying both elegance and aggression. It’s this duality that fuels his art.

Bob Gillespie’s work isn’t just about cars – it’s about people, places, and the stories that make motorsport a cultural force. From his Cunningham painting gracing the cover of Burt Levy’s The Last Open Road to murals that stop tourists in their tracks, his art bridges generations.

In every brushstroke, Bob invites us to stand trackside, to feel the rush of speed, and to remember that racing is more than competition – it’s history, spectacle, and soul.

If you’d like to pick up a copy of Bob’s Book “One Track Mind: The Art of Bob Gillespie” you can logon to www.glenspeed.art to order a copy for yourself or someone you know that would enjoy a wonderful book like this too. 


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Being Kazakhstan’s first elite Female racer & Simracer

In Episode 34 of Init Talks, host Yvonne Houffelaar takes the seat to interview a very special guest: Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya (@LoveFortySix). From her beginnings in official karting championships to competing in events like Formula Masters and working with Astana Motorsports, Lyubov shares her incredible journey through the world of motorsport. She reflects on her achievements in karting, the challenges of competing at high levels, and her experience at the W Series selection event, offering insights into the determination and resilience needed to succeed.

Lyubov’s passion for motorsport eventually extended to the virtual world. In 2019, she began streaming, encouraged by her husband, and has since built a vibrant community of fans and racers. As a member of the Thrustmaster Rockets team and a proud ambassador for Next Level Racing, she has become a prominent figure in the sim racing community. Lyubov discusses how her real-world racing background has influenced her sim racing skills and the opportunities it has brought her, including competing in prestigious events like the Virtual Le Mans.

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Adding to her list of accomplishments, Lyubov has also competed in the Porsche eSports Supercup All-Star Series, showcasing her talent on a global stage. Join Yvonne and Lyubov for a deep dive into her journey from real-world racing to becoming a sim racing ambassador, as well as her thoughts on inspiring the next generation of drivers and gamers. This is an episode filled with stories of ambition, perseverance, and passion for motorsport in all its forms.

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Highlights

Skip ahead if you must… Here’s the highlights from this episode you might be most interested in and their corresponding time stamps.

  • 00:00 Introduction to Screen to Speed
  • 00:49 Meet the Guest: Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya
  • 01:48 Lyubov’s Early Karting Days
  • 07:13 Transition to Formula Racing
  • 09:50 Challenges and Achievements in Formula Racing
  • 13:27 W Series Selection Event
  • 24:01 Sim Racing and Streaming Journey
  • 30:59 Technical Challenges in Virtual Le Mans
  • 32:51 Experiences with Air Factor 2
  • 35:07 Joining the Virtual Le Mans with Graf by TRS Sports
  • 37:52 Porsche eSports Super Cup All Star Series
  • 41:17 Favorite Tracks and Cars in iRacing
  • 45:46 Olympus Esports Journey
  • 52:27 Sim4STEM Program and Scholastic Esports Awards
  • 54:54 Upcoming Events and Final Thoughts

Transcript

Crew Chief Brad: [00:00:00] Welcome to Screen to Speed powered by INIT eSports. In this podcast, we dive into the journeys of remarkable individuals making waves in sim racing and bridging the virtual with the real. From the thrill of digital circuits to the roar of real life racetracks, we explore the passion, Dedication and innovation that drives the world of motorsports.

We’ll hear from athletes, creators, and pioneers sharing their stories, insights, and the powerful ways sim racing is connecting communities and creating pathways into motorsports. So buckle up. Screen the speed starts now.

Yvonne Houffelaar: Hello everyone. Welcome to the inner talks episode 34. And do you think, oh, this is different than I used to? Yes, it’s different. Today I’m both. [00:01:00] And Lubov, uh, aka Love46, well known by everyone, is the guest. Welcome.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Welcome, everyone. Hello, hello. Uh, a bit different in the talks today, so I’m not a host. So happy to be here.

Yes,

Yvonne Houffelaar: that’s great to hear. I’m happy to have you here. And, uh, how is it for you to be the guest now instead of the host?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Oh, great experience, you know, to be on the other side. So not to be a host for one in a talk. It’s great. So feels a bit different for me, definitely.

Yvonne Houffelaar: Yeah, a bit more relaxed, I think.

You’re sitting now. Yes, yes. Well, let’s start by the beginning. I know you started very young, around nine years old. How did you get introduced by the cartoon world? Because you started in real [00:02:00] life first and then went over to the sim. How did you start with cartoon? Where did you find it in

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: the beginning?

Yeah, so I started from karting when I was nine years old. I still remember we went to rent karting with my dad and He just let me try it for once and i’m like, okay. Yeah, I really like it and he just suggests me that We can start to do championship of Kazakhstan. So I remember he built the first car for myself.

Uh, there was, you know, really old chassis, uh, with, uh, uh, engine from, uh, Honda Dio, that’s a scooter. Um, and I remember the, the frame, uh, it was the bright yellow. And I started to take a part in championship of Kazakhstan, um, in class And I had my 46 number with me. It was a great experience. Uh, so I really like karting.[00:03:00]

I really like this excitement and adrenaline, which I get from it. And, um, so yeah, then we move forward and I just, uh, won four times championship of Kazakhstan. Of course, I started not, you know, all races from the first, uh, places, uh, been to like, uh, Top six, top, top seven, uh, for several races. Uh, and then the last race, which we had in like, that was 2008, 2009.

Um, I remember that I won it and I was so happy. I still remember the guy who, uh, been fighting with me for the first position. Uh, he was crying after I won it. Oh yeah, he was so upset. So, yeah, it was really fun, uh, days and I, you know, that was great. My dad also raced at this time a little bit, uh, in different class and, uh, we’ve been into this, uh, together, um, that was awesome.[00:04:00]

Yvonne Houffelaar: It’s great to hear that you did this with your dad and also at such a young age, that’s great. So, I see that with me too. I started also very young, a bit younger than you when I was seven. And, uh, yeah, my dad was there to support. He didn’t do anything with cars. He didn’t drive in any cars. He was there for the support, but it’s still great to hear.

And how did you feel? Because back then you were young, and you probably was one of the only women in the field, I think.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Mm hmm. So, you know, I felt, uh, sometimes I was afraid of the speed, so that took some time to Uh, get used to everything, and, uh, then, you know, I felt great, uh, to be honest, like, uh, everybody tried to respect me, of course, uh, we had some people who’ve been, like, against, uh, girls in karting, and something like this, uh, that’s been, uh, Taking a place here.

[00:05:00] That was like, you know, 2008, 2009, a long time ago. So definitely right now situation is more friendly for everybody. Uh, and, uh, you know, of course the cursing is, uh, you know, that’s a lot of swearing and a lot of men in this. And, uh, uh, yeah, that was, uh, A little bit weird experience for me, uh, but I think that, uh, bring me, uh, the character which I got right now, so I’m really like a, a high motivated person, and I’m trying to push, uh, like, my goals, and, uh, I’m doing everything, like, if I got a goal, I’m just going for it till the end, and, uh, yeah, that’s really, uh, give me, um, you know, Great, uh, things, uh, bring great things to my life, definitely.

Um, we’ve been lucky enough to found a sponsor for our karting team, uh, here in Kazakhstan, because just, uh, investors which we [00:06:00] have here, they’ve been really interested into karting, they did karting, By themselves also. Um, and, uh, after all this stuff, so we started like the, the carting team. Um, so we did like, you know, a few seasons with our own money and, uh, the rest of the seasons and the rest career, which I did in real life racing, I did buy sponsor money, so we didn’t bring any, anything from our side, from the family, because my family is not really rich and, uh, motorsport carting and, uh, racing is, uh, really expensive.

Um, So yeah, and then they started to build the guard circuit here and we got the the big circuit right now I hope hopefully it’s going to work this summer. So they Tried to bring the MotoGP here Maybe it’s going to happen in the upcoming years here in Almaty So yeah, that’s the first big circuit which we got [00:07:00] here and it’s really long with the high speed corners really cool You Um, so yeah, will be awesome to see some MotoGP racing here one day.

Yvonne Houffelaar: Yes, that will be great. And, um, I think you also participated in the Formula Masters events. I think with Astana Motorsports, if I’m correct?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s correct.

Yvonne Houffelaar: Can you tell more about that?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Uh, so after I did really good results in karting, uh, won four times championship of Kazakhstan, uh, we decided that we have to move somewhere and, um, We had a special event in Moscow with rent karting.

Uh, they’ve been doing the, you know, kind of like endurance, uh, karts, uh, event. Uh, there’s been like two hours race or something like this. Uh, we had, uh, four drivers in our team. Um, and. The price for the [00:08:00] first position, uh, the, being the testing days, uh, uh, informal masters. And so, yeah, we just, uh, we did this, uh, event, did this race, uh, won it.

So we did a really good strategy with the team. We also had, uh, really fast driver, uh, with us in a team and, uh, you know, I, everybody just, uh, bring. Their own side, their own time and consistency, uh, into the team results. And, uh, we won the test day, uh, at Kazan ring. Uh, and, um, we decided to find some, uh, like sponsors to go for this testing and maybe try, uh, the full season and formal masters, um, And yeah, then it just turns out that, uh, we found money, we, uh, bring ourselves to the circuit, did the test day, uh, I still remember it was really crazy to switch [00:09:00] from karting to formulas because in formulas you literally, uh, see nothing compared to karting because in karting you, uh, like, Just, uh, sitting on the outside, you can see everything, you can see Apex League, you can see everything.

Uh, in Formal, it was different, so when I first time, um, went to the track, I was like, Wow, I can see a thing, you know? It was, it was really funny. Um, after some time, I get used to it. So when you’re sitting in Formal, you actually see just, uh, top of the tires a little bit. It’s funny. Uh, and, and they’re pretty much it.

You don’t see anything on the sides and, uh, you, you can see a little bit, the rear view, the little mirrors, uh, mirrors, and that’s, that’s, that’s it. So it was a really fun experience. Definitely. Um, and then after this testing days, after the first season, we did like a thing, three, four races, we found some [00:10:00] investments, uh, from also Kazakhstan government, uh, support me.

Uh, and then just, uh, Astana Motorsports, uh, team, they found me, uh, they contact me and they decided like, okay, we can, uh, take you with us. Uh, at this time they had already. Uh, team in the car, they had, uh, like this big track in the car, uh, also I think SUV and, uh, motorcycle. So they had a quite big team, uh, which took a part in, uh, in racing around the world.

And yeah, and then, uh, they introduced me that I’m going to, uh, be in the formal program, our program we had, uh, which we had, uh, it’s been, uh, Uh, for the formal one, step by step, the program, uh, included also, uh, formal free in Spain and, uh, you know, all the stuff, but unfortunately, uh, we did formal masters in [00:11:00] 2015.

Uh, then at the same time, I also been, uh, taking part in the Asia Cup series, which is a formal BMW. Uh, it’s a punk, uh, so finish before informal masters and P six and Asia cup series. Uh, and then unfortunately they decided to completely shut down the team, uh, because, uh, just maybe some financial problems, maybe something else.

But what they told me that was like, uh, none of the races taking a part on the territory of Kazakhstan. And they not really interested in this. Um, so yeah, and still they’re not running any racing team anymore. So they’ll, they’ll only got the cycling team, uh, and then pretty much it. So it’s really sad, uh, because we had a really strong team in the car.

They finished, uh, in tracks, I think P10 or P11, which is, uh, great because, you know, the, the car is a really high level and [00:12:00] it’s, it’s really, uh, exhausting. Um, conditions in this race. Also, it’s really hard marathon, which, uh, running and racing. Um, so yeah, it’s, it’s really sad, but it was a great experience and I’m so grateful and happy that I, um, you know, been in this team because that like the highest level in Kazakhstan, uh, and I was the first, uh, uh, woman who took a part in, uh, formulas, uh, for, from Kazakhstan.

So no one. Right now doing any formal series, uh, who racing here in Kazakhstan.

Yvonne Houffelaar: Nice. Well done and congrats because it’s, uh, it’s, um, how do you say it in English? I’m not sure, but it’s, uh, it’s something you did very well and you can be very proud of yourself. Uh, I never heard about Astana Motorsports, but I knew about the cycling team, because yeah, I also [00:13:00] like cycling.

So, um, yeah, that’s how I. Uh, knew the name, but I never thought they had also a motorsports teams. This is interesting to hear as well, but a shame they stopped because I think if it reached far, from what I hear also from the results, you were getting better and better, getting more the groove, uh, in the Formula car.

And, uh, it’s a shame that it ended like this. Um, you also did a selection event for the W Series. Can you tell more about that? Yeah.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yes, I can tell you about this. I want to add a little bit about Formal Masters also and Asia Cup Series. Um, I had this result. I think the results could be better. Just because we’ve been really limited with the budget, which we had.

So we had budget only for events, for racing events. But only for like one day practice. That’s like three, [00:14:00] four sessions to be exact. By 20 minutes maximum on track. So, and, uh, as I had all tracks new for me, it was really hard, you know, to adapt. Also, we had a, um, quite fast car compared to karting where I’ve been before.

So yeah, it’s, uh, definitely was a really hard challenge for me. And, you know, if someone would suggest me once again, try something like this, I would just, uh, uh, decline this because, you know, I understand now, uh, that. It’s really hard to go through all this racing events without any experience, without any practice.

It’s really hard. And of course, if I, uh, would take a part in any racing right now, I would love to have more testing days, more practice, uh, to then show better results, uh, in series. Uh, so yeah, unfortunately we’ve been really limited with financials and we’ve been limited, uh, in, um, like, uh, I would try. [00:15:00] Uh, to save the car because we’ve been limited, uh, in, in crashes, uh, also, uh, with the financials as, you know, Formula is real expensive, like, four tires cost, like, more than 1, 000 euros.

Um, one tire set cost that money and, uh, for example, the, the front wing cost, uh, like, uh, 1, 500 euros or something like this. So, yeah, if you’re going to get into a crash and also, uh, formal car made, uh, Made of paper. It’s it’s really fragile. And yeah, it was really hard in financial way to just push the limits and also, you know, put all everything I’ve got into the results.

So actually, I did my best about W series events. It was really fun. I remember so, uh, Had a really funny story about this, uh, because, uh, it was my husband. We decided [00:16:00] that we going to get married. And at the same time, I just, uh, send a application to W series that, Hey, I probably would like to take a part in the selection event.

So we didn’t, uh, think that it’s going to. And we just get married and I changed my surname and I had to go to Kazakhstan to change. Uh, so been living in Moscow at this time and I had to go to Kazakhstan to change all my documents, my passport and all the stuff. Um, and we’ve been really limited because we get married on the 11th of December and, um, We just, uh, you know, uh, face, uh, the reality that we got all this, uh, Christmas days and new year and all this stuff.

And we’ve been, you know, running out of time, uh, was making the visa to go to Austria. Um, hopefully we, we did everything in time and I’m so grateful [00:17:00] to. Uh, Austria Embassy, they did everything fast, uh, I remember Konso called me like, Oh, that’s uh, yeah, really, um, important event where you’re going, yeah, so I understand you’re doing racing and all this stuff.

I said yes, and they like, uh, called me. I know in two hours or so, they’re like, Oh, you, you got your visa and passports. I’m like, yes, let’s go. And then we went to WSeries event. Um, in a way how events went for me, it was great experience. That was my first time ever, uh, taking part, uh, in such events. And so we’ve been driving the Porsche.

Cayman, uh, GTS with winter tires, uh, on the mixed conditions. So we had, uh, like rain, snow, all the stuff. So there’ll be in, uh, in January, uh, really fun. You know, we did some drifting, some fun exercises, some team working, [00:18:00] um, some stuff like this. So I met a lot of girls and that was a great to be a part of this event.

Definitely. So I didn’t get into, uh, the series. I think because my Uh, maybe communication wasn’t that great as it is right now, and, uh, probably I was not really good at working in a team, uh, because I was, uh, really shy and maybe a little bit close to myself at this time. Uh, but anyway, I was really, uh, happy to take a part in this and be a part of, of that.

It’s really sad that W Series, uh, stopped to do their seasons. It’s, Uh, because I think it was a great, uh, series and, uh, I would love to see more girls into this. And, uh, just, you know, for example, for Jimmy Chadwick, uh, that turned out, uh, really in a really good way. So she get into IndyCar series and, uh, That’s, that’s awesome.

And, uh, yeah, I raced against her. So we, we had, [00:19:00] uh, some kind of like a rallycross, uh, on this Caymans in the end. Yeah, I raced with her. So she beat me, but just a little bit. So it was fun.

Yvonne Houffelaar: Ah, that’s good to hear. Yeah, they have nowadays, they have one academia, which is also very good to watch. I watch most of the races.

I try to watch them or watch them back later on. With every pooling, uh, absolutely dominate the season, apart from a few races. A Dutch lady, Maya Voogd, that won as well. I mentioned that because I’m not living in the Netherlands anymore, but still proud to be a part of it. So we were all excited about that.

Um, uh, yeah, you know, For, for, I think Abby goes now for the TB three. Mm-hmm . The British, uh, formula three.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Mm-hmm .

Yvonne Houffelaar: Uh, championship, I think it is. Uh, they were saying on the TV because she won the championship there and [00:20:00] she get that offered, uh, as, as a prize. So I think that’s also a good way to confirm. Uh, but yeah, I hope there is coming a lot more, uh, from those kind of events to, to not only give them the opportunity, but also to kind of, uh, showcase them in a way, uh, like they can present themselves.

They can show what they, what they can on track and then teams can see, Oh, look at that lady. She’s going fast. I would like to have her involved and then go further that way. So not only in price, but I think that’s, this could be a very good opportunity for the ladies who are participating now. And, uh, and by the way.

Happy anniversary, your anniversary from yesterday. Thank you. You’re welcome. Well, we have now a lot of talking about the racing, but I want to ask one more question [00:21:00] about that before we go into the sim racing part. What was your greatest moment in your motorsport career?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Uh, well, that’s definitely was, uh, that first win in karting, which and, uh, which I mentioned before, uh, and, uh, second greatest moment, which I had in racing, uh, there was, uh, that I finished, uh, P3 at Sochi Autodrome, uh, we had the, the full circuit, which formal one, uh, race, uh, Uh, this days and I, uh, get the P3 here.

Uh, funny thing that, uh, you know, at Sochi, they got this, uh, so the curbs and inside of the curbs here is the sausages. And, uh, so because I cut curbs, uh, quite a lot, so I had really good lap times, uh, here, uh, that kind of damaged the, the front wing. on the formula. And so I remember I was going through the DRS zone.

That’s a long [00:22:00] back straight at Sochi Autodrom. And when I started to turn into the corner, I’m like, Oh my God, car just not steering at all. So like, uh, the front wing started to fall down. At the last moment, that was the last, uh, last lap of the race. Yeah. Uh, at the last moment, uh, some grip just returned back to tires and I’m like, okay, we’re steering into the corner.

All good. So, uh, when I finished, uh, the race right on the finish, just the front wing fall down like this and it was, uh, look like a scoop, so, yeah, it was really fun race, you know, I finished like this. Didn’t notice that anything is wrong because I started to lose the downforce on the last lap only and it was pretty scary because we didn’t go on for this DRS zone.

Um, what do you got, uh, that the wall on, [00:23:00] on like, you know, after this, uh, the break in, uh, it’s the hardest break, break in, uh, point which you got on track. Uh, If I wouldn’t feed into the corner, I would end in the wall, so yeah, it was really fun anyway. Because I was like, oh my god, we’re not steering, what am I supposed to do?

And I can’t do anything, just, uh, you know, kind of, uh, I know front wing may be returned back or something, so I get the grape back, and I was like, whew. Finally,

Yvonne Houffelaar: Nice. And you had you had the, uh, front ringers or souvenir fire at home? Or , the damage from ?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: No, they, uh, they suggest me to maybe you can, uh, you know, bring this, uh, front wing with you. I’m like, you know, no, not going to feed to airplane . Oh no. Yeah, I just can take it

Yvonne Houffelaar: Well, now we’re [00:24:00] taking a little bridge. Uh, did you use sim racing also to practice fully in real life racing?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Uh, yes. In, uh, 2019, uh, when I, uh, was doing the Formal Four Southeast Asia, um, in Malaysia, I, um, I practiced in race rooms, the bonk circuit, and I remember that I fixed, uh, Uh, T5, T6, uh, at the simulator that also helped me, uh, to improve my lap times at Spunk in real life.

Um, so yeah, I was using the simulators and, uh, before Informal Masters, I remember that I, uh, did some Race07 to learn, uh, the track, uh, the Sochi Octodrome and, uh, other track which you had in the calendar. of the series. Um, so yeah, but you know, I wasn’t really into sim racing, so I just, uh, use it like occasionally when I really need it.

Uh, so if I would jump to real life racing right now, I [00:25:00] would use sim racing a lot, definitely.

Yvonne Houffelaar: Yes, it’s definitely recommended even. It’s just to learn the track and so forth, because I did some racing too. And, uh, I was lucky if I had a track slap in before the race weekends or race day started because we didn’t have the testing.

And, uh, then I drove a silverstone, I drove the, I believe it’s national layout or something, never drove that before. Only did some left in the sink to, to know at least where the track is and which part you’re not taking. Basically from the Grand Prix. Uh. Circus and yeah, I was happy that I did it in the same because otherwise I went into the official practice on the Sunday For for 40 minutes, which I needed to share with my teammates But no knowledge of the track at all.

So, for me, the sim was really needed to get an idea of how the track goes. [00:26:00] They didn’t have a car in the sim, which was a bit of a shame. I used mostly around the GT4 cars, because it was a bit around the same speed, but didn’t have the same grip. So, uh, yeah, it’s both a bit different approach to a race day than I prefer and I wouldn’t recommend it either because it’s a lot less enjoyment when you’re not sure if everything goes right and if you’re not sure how the car will feel on the track and so forth.

It can always be different on race day, but at least you have an idea or a feeling by it. And when you have muffin, it’s, it’s a challenge.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, definitely. I agree with you.

Yvonne Houffelaar: Uh, you started simracing, uh, well, streaming, in 2019, offered by your husband.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, for sure. Uh, so as I [00:27:00] moved to Moscow in 2017, uh, I started to search for a job in, you know, motorsport related, uh, stuff. Uh, I found a job in a motorsport simulator that goes like this. They had, uh, Um, like some racing center with motion platforms, uh, DD wheels and, uh, Holsenfeld pedals. So work here as a coach and as a, uh, manager of this, uh, some racing center.

So I started like this. Uh, then I met my husband’s on my next work. I worked as a sale manager, uh, in air seats. So we’ve been selling the rigs and all this stuff. We met each other here and then we’ve been working in different sim racing companies. Also had a sim racing center with a race room. And, uh, Then, uh, during lockdown, uh, unfortunately we couldn’t work, uh, where we worked before because all [00:28:00] malls just shut down completely.

Uh, and yeah, we decided to try streaming, to try also racing at this time. Uh, and yeah, it just, uh, turns out, so we tried to bring, um, As many people as we can, uh, first time to the stream, like, uh, there’s been like 10, 15 viewers, something like this. Uh, and then it just, uh, started to grow, um, by Twitch recommendations, by also greater racing, uh, community, which helped me with some rates.

I, I remember Quaker ties rate me and, uh, uh, some other big streamers as well. So. It was, uh, it was a great time and, uh, I’m so grateful that, uh, the community and iRacing and Twitch, um, you know, they’re so friendly, they’re really helpful, and, uh, I was really shy on the camera, I was really, uh, closed, and, you know, just started to open up, I started to, [00:29:00] uh, improve my English, improve, uh, my driving at the same time as well, and, yeah.

Yeah, you know, we had some challenges, uh, definitely. Uh, so when we started, I had, uh, just a steel rig. Uh, we had, uh, just a bulb with, with a pocket on it as a soft light on the stream. Um, And I had a really old G27, uh, which then with community together, we, uh, switched to T300 with TLCM pedals and we switched single screen to triple, uh, and all things started.

So I just, uh, I remember that I messaged, uh, Fressmaster about, uh, a partnership and they like, Yeah, we can talk about this. And, uh, we with them for three years already. I’m so happy, uh, that I’m, I’m part of a first master rockets team. And, uh, that’s a great to be a part of this. Uh, and we got also a fractal design right now as a partner on our channel and, [00:30:00] uh, next level racing as well.

So just, uh, you know, everything started from a really, uh, small studio, which we build with, with our hands and, uh, turns out to like bigger, uh, channel and, uh, uh, good, uh, partnership and good community overall.

Yvonne Houffelaar: That’s great to hear and well done because, uh, you seem like you grow a lot because you’re now very confident.

Um, uh, Not shy at all. So it’s good to see you. Well done. Yeah. so much. You’re welcome. And you also took part in the virtual Lamar. I think everyone loves to watch the Lamar in real life 24 hour. For a lot of drivers, it will be the dream to race, but for some sim racers, it’s also a dream to race the virtual Lamar.

Can you tell more about that?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, we did a virtual Le Mans. Uh, I did it twice. Uh, [00:31:00] first time we did it with, uh, W Series. Uh, we had, uh, Betzke Wieser, um, I think another girl from W Series with us, me and, um, Emery, uh, she’s also a streamer in our racing. Um, so we’ve been preparing, uh, so hard for this one. Uh, we wanted to race GTE car in this event.

Uh, but unfortunately we didn’t take part in the race, uh, because for our teammate, uh, the Air Factor two just, uh, decided that shut down and, uh, we couldn’t re yeah, we couldn’t rejoin the server, uh, organizers didn’t, uh, give me, uh, give us this opportunity. Um, so unfortunately the, the first original laman, uh, end up like this.

Uh, then the next year, uh, Grav by TRS Sports, uh, suggests me to jump into LMP2 car with them, uh, for Virtua LeMans. Uh, we also had some technical [00:32:00] issues, um, during this race, but we finished it. Uh, we had quite good lap times, so we could finish easily, um, somewhere in the middle of the field of LMP2s. Uh, but unfortunately, due to some technical issues, once again, uh, we finished like P10 or P12, uh, something like this.

But it was a great experience with me, uh, for me, uh, because I’ve been into the team with, uh, in real life LMP2 driver. And we worked a lot with the data. We walked, uh, worked a lot with, uh, how to improve on track and, uh, they’re really, so this virtual man, uh, pushed me as a driver, um, to the next step. Uh, and, um, I’m so happy for this experience and it’s here as a sport is amazing, um, a sport team, uh, which is doing their job pretty well, so I’m just.

So, happy to have, uh, this experience with me and, uh, yeah, unfortunately, you know, Air Factor 2, it’s a great simulator. [00:33:00] Uh, I really like to race in it. It feels great when you race in Air Factor 2. Uh, but unfortunately, as, uh, maybe the studio which making the Air Factor 2 is small, uh, they just don’t have enough resources.

Uh, to run it properly. Uh, it just, uh, got some bugs and, uh, uh, a lot of server issues. So we experienced the previous, uh, virtual demand, uh, also make marks first up and disconnect, uh, I think few times from this race. Uh, which is kind of shame, but you know, it is where it is. I. Fully understand like, you know, the software and all the stuff.

It’s really complicated and When you got a small team, it’s really hard to run so I fully understand this and I really hope they’re factor to going to grow and going to be bigger and just Will be better for such a big event.

Yvonne Houffelaar: Yes, yeah, I would [00:34:00] like to see that too. I don’t drive often on Alpha 2. I do only one series, the Xbox series.

And, uh, I really enjoy doing that. And it’s more Like, uh, a community race than, um, than a competition because it’s all about networking and then we are on a Zoom call and then someone else comes in and tell more about what they are doing in racing, sim racing. So it’s a great community and it’s, it’s fun.

The only time that I’m racing on Airfactor 2, mostly on a ride and drive, because I have no time to practice, but that’s great to do so. I didn’t do it for months, because I haven’t driven for months, but, oh yeah, hopefully I’m back, uh, next year and then do some races with them again because I really enjoyed how it felt as well with this base and with my final tech base.

I struggled a lot to get the settings right without breaking, almost breaking [00:35:00] my wrist. But when you have it right, it’s, it’s a good game. It’s really enjoyable to do. How did you, how did the team got into the Virtual Le Mans? Because I know for a lot of teams, this was really the highlight. Uh, the race was the highlight to do, uh, for their team.

How is this working?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Uh, well, I’m not sure about W Series, how they get into Virtual Le Mans. Uh, probably they had some connections with the organizers. Uh, but, uh, speaking of the graph, uh, by tier eSports, eSports, they got, uh, really good, uh, eSports team in iRacing. They taken part in many special events and all this stuff.

Um, speaking about Virtua LeMans, they get into that because of Graf. Graf, uh, that’s a team, uh, which, uh, taken part in a real life, uh, LeMans event with LMP2 cars. So that’s in real life team. Uh, and they [00:36:00] just, uh, had collaboration, uh, together and to get into this. And, um, you know, they just invited me, uh, because they wanted to have a fast driver and also girl in their team.

Uh, and also as I was streaming, uh, this event on my Twitch, uh, We just found each other and yeah, once again, I’m going to tell you that it was a great experience and I would love to race in virtual Le Mans next time if someone going to suggest me this event. I spent a lot of time for practice. Uh, we did a lot of, uh, like team sessions and all this stuff.

Um, but yeah, it was, uh, it was awesome. I really like Le Mans. That’s one of my favorite circuits. Uh, I still remember when I first time tried to learn it in iRacing was like, Oh my God, this lap is so long, you know, it’s, uh, over three minutes and it just, uh, taken a [00:37:00] lot of time. But when you just. Learn this track, then every time you get into, uh, races on it, you’re like, wow, it’s just going with a really cool flow, especially with LMP2 car and it’s just great to race.

I really like this track. So, um, not a big fan of Nordschleife. Uh, so from long tracks, I would, uh, would pick the Le Mans.

Yvonne Houffelaar: Not a fan of the North China. I think I never heard that before.

Yeah, you bring me on some ideas for next year’s future Olympics. Maybe we can bring the different team in and maybe you can also be part of it. Getting some ideas of how we’ll have some networking around to see, uh, what we can do and we can drive it. Uh, you also took part in the Porsche eSports Super Cup All Star Series.

It’s a long name, so I needed to [00:38:00] double check on the, on the list. Uh, how, how was that?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: It was great, uh, I’ve been taking part in the All Star Porsche Sports Super Cup for two years already. Uh, hopefully going to get into the next one, uh, which we will start I think in February or something like this. Um, that was a great experience, so we, uh, got like supportive, uh, races.

For the main championship, which, uh, going in our racing, uh, that’s the main, like, eSports, uh, sim racing championship, which we got alongside with, uh, Inascar in our racing, and it was, uh, great because, you know, streamers are really fast. Uh, we had really fun races. Uh, they got this format that, uh, first race you starting by qualifying, uh, second race, you starting with a fully reversed grid.

So, and then bring some, uh, you know, crashes, some fun moments. And I remember the previous [00:39:00] year I was leading in GT4, the whole race, the whole second race, uh, at that time. Uh, but unfortunately then, uh, they started bowling, uh, the, there was like a really close to the end of the race and I get into the crash.

Unfortunately, didn’t get a few one, uh, but I finished like top five or something like this. Uh, it was so fun. You know, I, I was upset a little bit because I was like, yes, I get through the crashes and everything. I’m leading the whole race because they just, uh. Fighting behind with each other and I was pretty sure that I can win.

I had a really good pace Was really surprised because I’m not the pro in GT forces So usually in cars like MX 5, GR86 and GT4 I’m not the best but this time I just get into G4 and, you know, did some, uh, good practice with the Porsche Cayman and this track. And also that’s one of my favorite tracks, uh, the Watkins Glen, I [00:40:00] really like it.

Um, so yeah, I get so lucky for, uh, get the, for the crashes and everything, but yeah, then we end up in the crash. I was upset, of course. But it was a great experience for me. So, uh, this Porsche championships, they always really. The organizers are so friendly and, uh, remember the funny thing we, we had, um, in race interviews, like you’re racing, you’re fighting with someone and they like, okay, we’re going to take interview from them.

And then we’re like, Oh no, but you know, it’s a, like, that’s a part of the, like support for the main championship. Uh, we always trying to bring some fun here and some content as well. Uh, so yeah, that’s a pleasure for me to take part in this championship alongside with Crux of Ties, Emre, Matt Malone, and other big streamers from my racing.

It’s always fun. [00:41:00]

Yvonne Houffelaar: Yeah, it’s cool. And, uh, well, you said already, Wolfgang’s Glen is a very good track. I agree with you. I like it too. It just flows very well. Uh, for some reason. Is it also your favorite track from Iron Racing?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Uh, well, I got few favorite tracks in Iron Racing. Uh, there’ll be definitely Watkins Glen.

I like it in every configuration. Like, we got boot, we got cup, one which is short, it’s really close to some kind of oval. I really like it, um, and I’m a big fan of Road Atlanta, so if you would ask my community, they’re going to tell me, tell you like, yeah, Road Atlanta, that’s her favorite track. Like every time we got Road Atlanta, I’m like, yes, I’m going to race it.

I really like it because it has, um, So, uphills, downhills, and uh, that S is after the T1, absolutely great, uh, so, this track [00:42:00] got really good flow, and also, it’s a little bit scary to race it every time, even if you, say, like, take part in a lot of races on this track, you still, like, you know, you get used to it.

What if I’m going to lose the car in Assis or somewhere, uh, like on the track? And it’s, it’s always so exciting to, to race it. And yeah, someone in chat just saying about Laguna Seca, I know that this is not favorite track for everybody, uh, in a racing and not the simulators. I, I love it. You know, Laguna Seca, great track and I really like it.

It’s, uh, just amazing with all this corners and especially Corkscrew, uh, the legendary corner on this track. Yeah, I love it. So that, that will be my top list of the, of the tracks like Road Atlanta, Laguna Seca, Watkins Glen. Um, speaking about European tracks, I think there’ll be Liman and, uh, Spa and Monza, something like this.

Yes, [00:43:00]

Yvonne Houffelaar: sounds good. It’s a nice list. And what about the cars? What is your favorite car to drive?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: My favorite car to drive? Everybody knows that. That’s a Porsche Cup. I really like it. I really like the fact that this car without traction control, without ABS system, and you know, It’s always so rewarding to raise this car.

So when you nail the track, when you got really fast lap times, it’s more rewarding than driving the GT free car, for example, on the same track. Uh, just, just because when you’re getting into the rhythm, when you’re not making mistakes, you’re not locked up, uh, tires and, uh, you’re just like, you’re feeling great, uh, about this.

And, uh, it’s really cool car. I love it. Um, on the car, which I really like and I racing and which I raise, uh, On daily basis that, uh, formal 1 600. I really like it because it’s a simple car. Uh, it’s a good base. If you would like to go forward to formulas, [00:44:00] uh, and because here is not a lot of downforce on this car.

And, uh, Uh, you always get in really close battles in Formula 1 600. You get in, um, really cool side by side, two wide, you know, whole lap with someone, uh, in the race. It’s, it’s great. And I really like to race it in rain, uh, as well. Uh, recently we had a race at Tsukuba, uh, with Formula 1 600 and, you know, a lot of people, they just, uh, on the rain.

They rushing, they jumping, diving into the corner and then they missing. And you’re like, yes, that’s great. So, yeah, I think that’ll be my, uh, two favorite cars. And, uh, speaking about ovals, because I started, uh, to do a lot of ovals as well. Uh, that’s definitely will be Xfinity series as it’s, um, you know, community here is really friendly.

Uh, and, uh, [00:45:00] car is great. Uh, so usually when I’m getting into Xfinity races, uh, you get a really good points to our rating and you gaining safety rating as well because just people racing in a good way. Um, and especially I really like Xfinity Open, uh, so longer races. People think more, uh, about what to do with the strategy, with everything.

And, uh, a lot of, uh, less crashes we get in here and yeah, really like the series. And, uh, the second, uh, favorites from Ovals, there will be Arca. Arca is crazy, a lot of crashes, but I just really like this car.

Yvonne Houffelaar: Nice. Sounds good. Are you also part of the sim racing team?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Uh, yes. I’m a part of the Olympus sports. Uh, we started to be with Olympus when we had just three people in the team. Uh, and [00:46:00] actually funny thing that I met, uh, our boss from Olympus team, Charles Bushell in Instagram. So, uh, he’s been following me, um, You know, for years following my racing career, uh, then he was, uh, one of the first, uh, people who came to my stream, uh, we met each other here once again.

And he just like, I’m starting the sport team. Are you like interested to be a part of it? And I’m like, Yeah, sure. I’m going to be a part of it. Why not? So, as I didn’t have a team, I decided to join the Olympus Sport to support it, of course. And we started to do some special events, some VRS Endurances from time to time, and Olympus Esports is big right now, you know, I, I just, I don’t know how many people we got in the team.

So, uh, always when I coming to the discord, I’m like, wow, here is [00:47:00] so many people and it’s great to see. And we. Uh, one of the greatest championship where we’ve taken apart, that’s, uh, Evereight Club Sports, uh, Evereight Endurance, uh, that’s, uh, one of the biggest leagues, uh, which we got in racing, uh, one of the most competitive, I think, and, uh, the previous year we finished P5, P6 in Porsche Cup, uh, in the club series, that was great result, uh, for us and, uh, You know, I’m so, so happy that I’ve been one of the first drivers in Olympus Esports and it’s great to see the team is growing and they’ve taken part in cool championships, cool leagues, and also we’ve been a part of VCO Infinity event together.

So yeah, I’m just wishing all the best to Olympus Esports. I think that’s a great team and we got one of the most beautiful liveries.

Yvonne Houffelaar: Oh, yes, the delivery looks absolutely stunning. Nina also drives for [00:48:00] the team. She sometimes drives it also in the screen speed series and it looks so good. It really stands out from the rest.

It’s

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: good. Yeah, that’s what I really like because, you know, all the eSport teams, I don’t know why, but they really like, oh, we’re going to drive black cars or something like this. And here’s Olympus, like, bright blue with yellow with pink. It’s, it’s great. I know, just we need more cars with bright colors in eSports.

You know, you didn’t have to be really serious, like, I’m driving the black car. So I think it’s going to be great to see more colorful cars in the, on the field.

Yvonne Houffelaar: I like it too, but for us, I’m a co founder of Etoffe from the United Sim Team. And they have an orange going over to red livery. Why? Because I’m originally from the Netherlands and we are loving orange.

With every sporting event or when it’s King’s Day. [00:49:00] Everyone is wearing orange, you see it also with the F1, you see all the orange, all the Dutch fans with the orange shirt and then a Dutch flag and, uh, you even have it nowadays with the skiing, with Bosje Heese coming from the Netherlands, uh, skiing for the Netherlands now instead of Austria.

So even you saw it there, orange fireworks, so yeah, I’m very proud to have orange on the car. But, uh, Sophie and her favourite colour is red. So if we get this first, what are we going to do with livery? And I have to be honest, I’m a pain in the ass with livery because I want to have a perfect, so I can say a thousand times, uh, maybe change it for that, for that, for that.

And then I say to every cast, I like it, but can you change that? So, so that’s how it goes. And then she came up with this idea and it’s great to, to show also a bit of personality. Um, behind the team, so we’ll, we’ll, uh, [00:50:00] we’ll where the founders, for example, to see it back in a delivery. And, uh, it’s the same with the racing helmets.

I made mine, uh, bit a meaningful thing about myself mm-hmm. And about my family. And I think you can really make something special for it. And that’s what I like about live or designs. I can’t do it myself, but I really like to see what others are. Uh.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Mm hmm. Yeah. My husband’s making liveries for me. Uh, the last one which we had, uh, that was for Porsche all star series.

And, uh, we had it like, uh, you know, the comments going for the space. So it’s really a bright sound color with a deep purple, uh, black and something like this. So it was really cool. Uh, but, uh, For my daily streams I usually using the one which is a gray and purple on the back with my emotes from the channel.

It’s [00:51:00] really cute delivery. I really like it. Yeah. And, um, funny thing that, uh, we got a suit and the helmet, uh, in our racing and one of my, uh, viewers on channel, uh, he made the suit and helmet for me. That was, uh, at the time when we started streaming, uh, in 2020. And I’m still using it.

Yvonne Houffelaar: Nice. Uh, that’s cool.

Yeah. I’m very proud of my iRacing helmet because it’s exactly in my, in real life, racing helmet is in the game. So this, I think it was for Christmas or one of the holidays and she let it made by a official designer. We specialized in it and I know it’s a hard job to to get my house also on there because I have mountains on it and, um, uh, some special things on the top as well.

So it’s very fiddling to get it all right and, uh, yeah, it looks absolutely stunning [00:52:00] in the game. Same on Grand Theft Auto I have it as well and I’m very proud about that.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s great.

Yvonne Houffelaar: Yes. Well, thank you for your time. It was a pleasure. You did well. As not being a host, but I guess this time. I have a few news things, uh, before we end, uh, the, the inner talks for today.

Uh, Steffi Bau is in the final for the Scholastic Esports Awards. I hope I say this right, uh, with the Sim4STEM program. Sim4STEM is a great program, uh, where we teach, uh, Yeah, high school Children around that age, uh, the engineering parts, but also in the same. So I’ve been last year to Detroit for two weeks.

Yeah, we saw many students coming and trying and we gave them the [00:53:00] experience and they were learning what is possible to do with the engineering side of it. Also in the same. I had the best part because I was by the seams and they all loved to see all those rigs standing there. And, uh, yeah, it’s a great way for them to, to test if they like it.

And some even didn’t know about this at all. So, but it’s all possible. So we tried to show possibilities at the schools. And yeah, it’s amazing to, to see what’s, uh, what the children learn from a day. Because most of them are a day. Uh, for the school. And they learn a lot, they get excited from it. So it’s really great to, to see this program grow even more in America.

And hopefully it comes to Europe as well. So everyone, please vote for Stephanie. I’m putting the link in now. Because it’s well deserved for all the hard work she’s doing. [00:54:00] And, uh, the voting ends on the 15th of December, so, this Sunday. Then, I have another thing. The InnerTalks is now also open. On Spotify.

So every Monday after the inner talks, there will be, uh, the episodes you can listen to it in the car or at home, wherever you want to. And then you can listen to us back on Spotify, which is amazing. Uh, many thanks to Eric, uh, because he is organizing all of this with us and, uh, the GT Motorsport. Or, or slash spring to speed.

You can find everything about it. Also articles. So some amazing work. Thank you for the vote. Tasha. Great. And, uh, yeah, 2024 is almost coming to an end. It’s [00:55:00] almost the holidays and, um, it was a great year. I’m throwing back already a little bit, but some highlights and, uh, because for me, it’s the last time that you can hear me now for this year.

And, uh, yeah, we have some great events at the A of Sim Racing Expo. Uh, there are some great events coming up for next year. We will organize six races on our racing, uh, for the screen to speeds. We’re also gonna organize six races for the USF gg. Uh. And that will be, the winner will go and do some events with Team USA, which is absolutely amazing.

So, next year there will be more coming up, which are also for Gran Turismo and everyone else. And I’m looking forward to that. So, thank you today, Lou, and you’ll be back next week as the host. And then we have another guest [00:56:00] and, uh, for me, everyone, thank you for watching and also happy holidays because I’m in the background next week and you won’t see me and I’ll see you all in 2025.

Bye. Yeah,

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: guys. Thank you so much for watching. Thank you so much for being here. And don’t forget about invitational events, which we’re going to have, uh, yeah, on 15th. And I’m going to race here with Olympus Livery and Nina will be with Olympus Livery as well. So we’re going to see beautiful cars, beautiful girls in this event.

I will see you guys. Thank you so much. And thank you, Yuan, to be a host today. See you.

Yvonne Houffelaar: You’re welcome. I enjoyed it. Thank you.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: See you.

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After 4 years of waiting; the much anticipated SENNA mini-series is now available for you to binge in all its glory. We wouldn’t classify this as a “show” or “movie” so much as a 6-part mockumentary (dramatization) averaging roughly over an hour per segment. We would be remiss if we didn’t mention that Honda had a huge part in the making of this series, and even created a special advertisement to go along with the series. If you have ads enabled as part of your Netflix subscription, you’ll see the one below at the beginning of every episode.

Our goal for this review isn’t to divulge spoilers, because they’re really aren’t any. Let’s face it, just like Titanic, we already know the ending. And that’s exactly where Episode 1: THE CALLING, begins. With real footage of the the moment of Ayrton Senna’s death at Tamburello corner at the Imola Circuit on May 1st, 1994. Seeing the crash again, 30 years later, with fresh eyes doesn’t make it any less tragic or unnerving. Thanks to this series we do have new questions because of the surrounding context provided by the rest of Senna’s life story, which we’ll get to later in this article.

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Highlights

Skip ahead if you must… Here’s the highlights from this episode you might be most interested in and their corresponding time stamps.

  • 00:22 Ayrton Senna: The Racing Legend
  • 01:19 Exploring Netflix’s Senna Miniseries
  • 01:46 The Anticipation and Production of the Series
  • 02:20 Analyzing the Miniseries: Style and Substance
  • 03:48 Senna’s Story: From Brazil to Formula One
  • 04:05 The Miniseries’ Portrayal of Senna
  • 05:38 Entertainment vs. Historical Accuracy
  • 06:40 Senna’s Early Racing Career
  • 07:53 The Fast-Paced Storytelling of the Miniseries
  • 11:33 Senna’s Personal Life and Relationships
  • 16:17 Senna’s Rivalries and Racing Tactics
  • 20:17 The Role of Media and Public Perception
  • 23:33 Senna’s Impact on Formula One
  • 25:02 The Prost-Senna Rivalry
  • 35:08 The Legacy of Ayrton Senna
  • 41:37 Senna’s Infamous Lap of the Gods
  • 42:02 Senna’s Out of Body Experience
  • 43:30 The Real Senna: Authenticity and Reactions
  • 45:22 Monaco 1990: Redemption
  • 45:30 Action Sequences and Real Footage
  • 48:35 Senna’s Relationship with Honda
  • 54:14 Senna’s Personal Life and Relationships
  • 57:17 The Tragic Weekend at Imola
  • 01:06:39 Senna’s Legacy and Final Thoughts
  • 01:14:52 Conclusion and Recommendations

Transcript

Crew Chief Brad: [00:00:00] Grand Touring Motorsports started as a social group of car enthusiasts, but we’ve expanded into all sorts of motorsports disciplines, and we want to share our stories with you. Years of racing, wrenching, and motorsports experience brings together a top notch collection of knowledge and information through our podcast, BrakeFix.

Crew Chief Eric: Tonight, we delve into the extraordinary life of a man who wasn’t just a racing legend, but an icon of human spirit and determination. Through the lens of Netflix’s highly anticipated miniseries, we’ll explore the meteoric rise, relentless drive, and untamed passion of Ayrton Senna, one of Formula One’s greatest champions.

Born in Brazil, a land of contrasts and dreams, Senna’s journey was nothing short of a cinematic masterpiece. From his humble beginnings on the karting tracks of Sao Paulo, to his three world championships, and the unforgettable rivalries that defined an era, Ayrton’s story is as exhilarating as the circuits he conquered.

But beyond the roar of the [00:01:00] engines, the glitz of the podiums, and the iconic yellow helmet, there was a man. A man who carried the weight of a nation, who raced with his heart as much as his skill, and whose life ended too soon, leaving a legacy that transcends sport. There is more than a story about speed and victory here.

It’s a tale of resilience, faith, and a relentless pursuit of perfection. And joining me tonight to help break down the miniseries, episode by episode, and dissect its most pivotal moments, is our most returningest guest host, William Big Money Ross from the Exotic Car Marketplace, along with Professor John Summers, the motoring historian.

So welcome back, gentlemen.

Prof. Jon Summers: Pleasure. Thanks for having us, Eric. This is gonna be fun.

Crew Chief Eric: I feel like we did the celebration of life earlier this year, and here we are again. Looking at another Senna film of some sort. What I came to realize is, we’ve been batting around this idea of a new Senna show for a while, and I wanted to pinpoint exactly when that all came about.

And I had to go back to September of 2020. Drive thru [00:02:00] news episode number three on BreakFix. is when they announced that this series was going to go into production. So it’s been four years that we’ve been waiting for this Senna miniseries, call it a mockumentary. That’s what I want to label it as. That I went into going, this is like Titanic.

I know the ending. What are you going to tell me that I don’t already know?

Prof. Jon Summers: But there are only nine stories in history, Eric. When you go to the cinema to see any story, you know the ending, what’s enjoyable. is how the story’s told, how the characters interact, whether or not themes resonate with society and the audience at the moment, whether or not the movie looks good and is stylish, that’s what your Hollywood guys lead on.

And what I look for is a ripping yarn, good story, great plot. And I look for compelling characters, and the older I get, I find I’m much more interested in, have the characters been well drawn? Are they charismatic? Do I like them? Do I give a shit what happens to them? And this is why my consumption of automotive media nowadays [00:03:00] exists outside of the realm of the fictional.

I can’t even do Game of Thrones anymore. It all feels like a 15 year old Dungeons and Dragons campaign that I wouldn’t want to be involved in anymore. You know, I’ve not watched the miniseries. I have read reviews, so I’m fascinated to understand what you guys think of it. And that informs the sort of little agenda that I wanted to work through.

And that agenda is simply the one that my English teachers gave me in high school, which is you talk about the plot, You talk about the characters, you talk about the themes. By the end of that, you should have an idea of whether or not this is just style over substance, or whether or not there’s really anything there.

So I am fascinated to get into it with you guys.

Crew Chief Eric: We’re not going to spend time talking about Senna’s life story. If you want to learn about that, go back into johnsommers. net and all the articles you’ve written about Senna. Go back and read Senna’s book. Go back and watch Senna the documentary from 2010.

Go back to [00:04:00] our 30 years after Temporello celebration of life episode. Like we don’t need to spend time talking about Senna. What we need to do is spend time understanding if they portrayed those stories correctly in this miniseries. So I don’t want to spend the next hour tearing apart Netflix’s interpretation of this.

So I’ll just blanket statement saying it’s good and it’s good in two ways. It’s good for the drive to survive crowd that knows nothing about Senna and is asking, who is Senna? When they hear people make references to Verstappen or to Hamilton, when they say he’s driving like Senna, or we haven’t seen antics like this since the days of Senna.

And people are going, who is this mythical Senna? Which for us is hard to fathom that anybody wouldn’t know who he was. So it’s important. That this story is told in a way that the younger generation can absorb it versus a documentary that they’re not going to want to suffer through, although the 2010 Senate documentary is awesome, and it’s all file footage with voiceovers and all that kind of stuff.

It’s also good for us, the [00:05:00] enthusiasts. The folks that were there in period as well as the historians from an accuracy perspective I give it high marks because what they did is a mockumentary like other ones I’ve seen like the man who would be bond where they used file footage and recreate it using the actors of today With cgi and all the wonderful things that we can do It makes for a great viewing experience for the people that are in the know, but then there’s some other threads and I have some specific ones that I want to pull on as we go through this that I think are important were not often showcased in other interpretations of Senna’s story.

And that’s where I want to focus and hone in on.

William Ross: As I tell a lot of people and you see it with all these movies and everything that’s come out in the past five, 10 years, what have you, because it’s a big influx of these people start nitpicking it and critiquing it. It’s like, look, this is entertainment.

This is not to be like historically accurate to nail everything down. This is for entertainment and for enjoyment. And that’s how I always go into these things. Look, I’m going to have some fun with this [00:06:00] and enjoy, you know, everything’s not going to be spot on. You know, they’re going to take liberties with things.

You know, they’re going to stretch it too. They’re going to leave certain things out. Well, especially this, you’re going to see within the first 15, 20 minutes. Okay. How are they going to portray this? They can make it. Look like was a nice guy, the bad guy. Are they going to be really truthful? I really enjoyed it.

And I knocked the thing out right off the bat that time. Cause I just got into it. I wanted to watch it and I actually rewatched some of it this morning just to kind of refresh myself. I thoroughly enjoyed it. And it’s just interesting. I watch it. Eric, watch it. We watch it. We know Senna’s history. We know everything, not everything, but we know the background, his story, where he came from and going up through and all this stuff and his teammates, all that stuff.

One question would be is, would you recommend someone watch this first, then go learn about them, or learn about them first, and then watch it? If you’re not familiar with the Senate story, because it could skew you a little bit, going, Well, wait a minute, I watched this, and that’s not matching up.

Crew Chief Eric: And that’s why I say it sort of works for both audiences.

If you don’t know, as an enthusiast, let’s say you’re from [00:07:00] NASCAR Nation, or you’re a rally guy, or IndyCar, or something like that, and you want to learn about something, You can learn enough to be dangerous from this series, but the real meat and potatoes is over on the 2010 SENA documentary, but you got to know what you’re getting into with that.

It’s more detailed, a lot more file footage, evidence, agency, all those things that are important to a historical documentary. But to William’s point, this is easily digestible. But also it isn’t because every episode is like a movie. It’s very cinematic. It’s very deep. It’s very detailed. There are about an hour a piece, some are more, some are less, but they average out to about an hour.

So you’re in this for six or seven hours by the time it’s done. The Senate documentary is only two. So you got to kind of balance that out and go, well, which one would I watch? If you want the express lane, watch the documentary and you’re going to get more historical fact. But something else you hit on, William, is the story moves very quickly.

But I made a note in my copious pages of notes. We get through birth to 1979 in the first Eight minutes of the first episode, [00:08:00] like boom, Formula Ford at minute nine. And we just rocket forward from there. So they skip over some of the pleasantries of his upbringing, how affluent his family was. Some of the other wives tales that we heard about how Senna had a go kart track in his backyard and he would go out and practice every day.

There’s some of that woven into the story as flashbacks and this and that, but there’s not a lot of context around it. So they fast track us to England in 1979. Eight minutes into the first episode.

Prof. Jon Summers: Yeah, they jump pretty quick. But this is what you need to do with storytelling. One of the professor at Stanford that I teach that class with, she always talks about you can start in the middle.

As long as you do the flashback, you need to start at a dramatic point where you draw your audience in. So I was interested to understand where they started.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, it doesn’t get any more dramatic than file footage of the crash at Tamburello. Boom, like immediately. And it’s sort of like that Jacob’s ladder thing where it’s like, well, let me tell you how I got here.

And then we work [00:09:00] backwards, but going forwards and come full circle, it starts and ends with the crash of Tamburello full stop.

Prof. Jon Summers: You have to start there. You absolutely have to start at that point, but where you choose to pick up and how you cover the childhood piece, I thought they might start with the rivalry.

William Ross: No, no. I anticipated. As Eric stated, you gotta start with, to your point, that initial hook. You start with the end, and to get people in and say, Alright, here’s the dramatic stuff, the accident, the death. Okay, now all of a sudden, let’s get back to, you know, where it starts. And, like he said, you know, they jump to the beginning part pretty quick in his youth.

And they kind of gloss over the fact of his wealth. They had a lot of money and it’s kind of humorous because once they jump into certain points and this is all in the first episode in regards to cost and paying for things. Oh, I got to sell the family Impala to pay for doing this and everything’s like, really?

Crew Chief Eric: You run the Brazilian equivalent of AC Delco or whatever, like a parts distributorship. [00:10:00] Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

William Ross: Yeah. And back then running Formula Ford, what do you have to maybe come up with? 7, 500 bucks. I mean, come on. I mean, yeah, back then he had some money, but it’s not like they were hurting for cash. It was the

Prof. Jon Summers: wraparound commitment though, wasn’t it?

It was the commitment to come from warm, familiar Catholic Brazil to cold, unfriendly England.

William Ross: They nailed the contrast between Brazil and the warmth. And then all of a sudden they’re showing England where it’s just dreary. They got the grayish back. They nailed it in regards to, wow, this is just

Prof. Jon Summers: I don’t know how they portrayed the Ron Dennis character, but if you think about the real Ron Dennis, he’s like an amalgam of all of my sales managers who ever worked together.

They

William Ross: had

Prof. Jon Summers: him wrong. From the sweariness, the hardness, to the seeing further and farther. And so it’s that feeling that I used to get from my sales managers. Maybe this is part of the reason why I was drawn to Zenith. It’s a feeling that I used to get from my sales managers that if they want you on the team, they believe in you.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah,

Prof. Jon Summers: don’t need to pat you on the [00:11:00] back and tell you what a nice guy you are and give you a trophy for finishing second. The fact that you’re still hired and they’re not railing on you is how you know that you’re doing a good job.

Crew Chief Eric: That is evident throughout the film with his interactions with Ron Dennis.

There’s also the thing they sort of glaze over. In 1980, I think it was where Dennis was like, I want you to come drive for me now. And he said, nah, I don’t think I’m going to do that. Then there’s this whole family drama about him going back to Brazil and he’s there for like a hot minute and then finds himself in formula three right after that.

And then, you know, obviously the story kind of fast forwards from there. So there’s also the drama with his first wife.

William Ross: Yeah, how

Crew Chief Eric: she didn’t want to be there and he was only supposed to be there for a year because that’s the promise that he Made to his mother and

Prof. Jon Summers: I find hard to believe of course she didn’t want to be there I mean, it’s england’s ron dennis.

Do you want like beaches and brazil or do you want bloody ron dennis? And this is his childhood sweetheart And when forced to choose between her and the racing, we know what he chose. Now I [00:12:00] not delved into his personal life. I’ve never really read to understand if it was that contrast, but for me as a teenager, you know, when my first girlfriend dumped me, my first thought was, well, you know, Rather like Senna, when it came to cars or women, you lean into the cars, don’t you?

Because they don’t go wrong and they don’t ditch you sometimes, but you can fix them.

Crew Chief Eric: They also sort of leaned into this weird sexually aggressive nature of Senna throughout the film. And he has a type, by the way.

William Ross: Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: As we go through the series, we start to realize that as well. But when you first meet Lillian, they’re in the Impala.

They’re doing sort of like the Makeout Mountain kind of thing. And it was a little cringey and almost like, It’s like, I’m going off to war tomorrow. We got to get the deed done. I was like, we don’t need this. All that stuff could actually have been deleted because I think that took away from the imagery I have of Senna.

It kind of made him, I don’t want to say it made him creepy, but it was just cringy. I didn’t like that. I didn’t appreciate that part of his story.

William Ross: I think they included that scene for the fact when she [00:13:00] said that she’ll go with him because he’s basically presenting it to her that he was going to go with himself.

I’ll only be gone a year, dah, dah, dah. She’s, oh no. I I’m going with you. I think that’s the whole reason they put that in there was for that fact. There’s all I know. I’m going with you in this whole little adventure.

Crew Chief Eric: That could have been done over breakfast though. You know what I mean?

William Ross: Exactly. They didn’t need to do it in the car in the front seat of the Apollo.

Cause they’re only what? 19.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah. They’re about, I mean,

William Ross: it’s not like they were in there mid twilight. I mean, he was young when he went over there. I read just recently

Prof. Jon Summers: that she was his childhood sweet. Yes.

William Ross: Yeah. Yeah. They’ve been good forever. Yeah.

Prof. Jon Summers: In traditional accounts of Santa that I received in period.

She almost didn’t appear at all. Not that they ever really did backstories or girlfriends or anything like that. Because one of the interesting things, PK started a rumor that he was gay. Yeah. I remember that part of the reason why he started that was because Senna had this guy that was with him, like carrying his helmet at a couple of races.

So P. K. being P. K. was like, oh, and I wondered if they would delve into that at all. Whilst we’re talking about the sexual stuff, did they delve into that [00:14:00] at all?

Crew Chief Eric: No, they very rarely mentioned P. K. They got a guy playing his part that looked like him.

William Ross: The actor playing Senna I mean, he’s a dead ringer for him for sure.

Now,

Crew Chief Eric: the Nicky Lauda one, not so much. We’ll just

Prof. Jon Summers: leave that where it

William Ross: is.

Prof. Jon Summers: Lauda’s like him though. But Lauda looks like a character from Star Wars, doesn’t he? If you’d have had the real Lauda, people would have been like, what the fuck’s that? Like, I’m not watching Stallion. I thought it was Ron Howard

William Ross: for a second playing him.

Crew Chief Eric: Even Emerson Fittipaldi, they sort of did this at a distance thing. Like, we have these other Brazilian guys and they’re over there. We’re not going to focus on them. Basically, they sort of pushed P. K. out so that it didn’t show any sort of rivalry between his fellow countrymen in any way. The whole theme of the thing is very pro Senna.

It was really focused on Senna being the hope for Brazil.

William Ross: That’s why P. K. hated him, period. And they made sure to know that he was a very, very heterosexual man.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh, God.

William Ross: They made a point, to be sure, that, no, he liked women. We’ll

Crew Chief Eric: get to another good one later, as, like, episode four, or whatever. It’s like, oh, my God.

Yeah,

William Ross: [00:15:00] that princess or whatever she is.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh that too? I forgot about that.

William Ross: Yeah.

Prof. Jon Summers: Oh man. Then the

William Ross: TV started, yeah.

Prof. Jon Summers: This is really interesting that we’ve talked about this because on my vague little structure, one thing I had written down, and I don’t often feel the need to like mark a score, you know, make a chalk mark, but when some other motherfucker plagiarizes your work, you have to draw a line in the sand, don’t you?

And I read an article in AutoWeek by an individual with the second name of Vaughn, where he had used the word Vaughn. Beatification in the article, and he’d sort of muddied my concept that he had basically taken my word that I’ve been using for about a decade now, and put it in context of an article about cen

Crew Chief Eric: for those listening.

That’s a John Summers trademark phrase there. The beatification of

Prof. Jon Summers: Sena. Of Sena. Yeah. This notion that center is moving from being a. normal racing driver like Martin Brundle, for example, or Nelson Piquet, or even [00:16:00] Emerson Fittipaldi. He’s not an old racing driver now. He’s something more. He’s not like an actress from the 1950s.

He’s Marilyn Monroe. You know, he’s not Joey Lee Lewis. He’s Elvis. And this is a really interesting thing, and the miniseries interests me from that kind of perspective. So let’s talk more about the plot, more about the story here.

Crew Chief Eric: The road to Formula One. starts in episode two called belonging and it’s all about him basically being ostracized like who is this guy he’s an outsider does he really belong here he has to prove himself and it all centers around the tolman and that rain race at monaco and and all that stuff and so you’re like Okay, cool.

That’s true. All of that stuff happened. But there’s also this other side of Senna that they paint, which is the fastest driver wants the fastest car. And they basically show how he screwed over Tolman, and how he screwed over McLaren. That whole thing perpetuates. It becomes part of his persona, but they downplay, as you’ve referred to it, his [00:17:00] bully tactics.

And we’ll get into that more as we go along. We talk about the rivalry with Prost. The plot up to that point, there’s six episodes, right? So it’s the calling, the belonging, the ambition, the passion, the hero, and then time is the last episode. So belonging, ambition, and passion all sort of like go together, and it’s all about the greatness of Senna, how he became who he was, and all of the people that surrounded him.

So the major players that come out of the equation at this point, Are his carding rival in England

Prof. Jon Summers: is Terry Fullerton. Yeah. It’s a shout out. Yeah. It’s a party, a movie.

Crew Chief Eric: Correct.

Prof. Jon Summers: Who went on to be a builder just went on to be a normal bloke. Yeah,

Crew Chief Eric: but he gets carried through the entire film to the very end.

Like he comes back a bunch of times and whether that’s truthful or otherwise, whether they maintain their friendship. We don’t know, but they do spend a lot of time at the same track running go karts formula three formula 2000. I was like, can we just pick another track for crying out loud? Yeah.

Prof. Jon Summers: Is it Snetterton?

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah.

Prof. Jon Summers: Portions of it. I did read that [00:18:00] it’s Snetterton, but with mountains in the background. Correct. Yeah. And if you’ve ever been to Snetterton, there’s not mountains, there’s cloud, there’s shooting rain, and they’re shitting yourself on that absurdly long straight that they have there. It’s also the classic British club circuit.

You need to understand about club circuits. If you’ve come from other parts of the world, there’s tons of them all over England. They were all airfields in the Second World War, so they were all flat, and they all have corners, which are not like the corkscrew, they’re not banked, you just find the right line and you have big balls, and you’re fast, and if you get the line wrong and you don’t have big balls, you’re slow.

It’s a really very exacting environment, and Snetterton, because of the rain and the crap surface, is Yeah, I’ve done one track day there and I didn’t go back because it’s an asshole to get to and because the surface was bad.

William Ross: Yeah, they just dress it up in a few different ways. But again, it kind of goes back, like I said in the beginning, is they’re using it for certain scenes, using Formula 4, then F3.

Then they go back to it for [00:19:00] one little scene with Terry Fullerton karting school that he does. Yeah, it gets a bit annoying, but again, you got to take it to Kansas. They’re just kind of going this for a reference situation. It’s not about his skill and showing his craft. It’s more about between someone else.

Cause like the one for the formula four was against, uh, was that Quinn in Monticelli,

Crew Chief Eric: the Argentinian guy.

William Ross: Yeah. So that battle and then going into F3, it was against Martin Brundle, which they didn’t really get into too much, which I was surprised because him and Brundle went at it pretty good in F3.

Prof. Jon Summers: went at it pretty good.

Yeah. And Brundle beat it. Yeah. And that whole ostracized in Formula One, it was because everyone had seen that when under pressure, Senna crashed you. Yes. Now later in his career, maybe he didn’t, but in Formula Three, that’s how it was. And you didn’t do things like that in the British idiom, but I’ve just got to say, Martin Brundle, if I met him in person, if I ever get to shake his hand to me, still the guy who beat Senna is the only one.

Only guy who beat Santa on [00:20:00] a level playing field in that Formula 3 seat.

Crew Chief Eric: The way they handle all that stuff, those little other stories and those notions and whatnot, is to use this character, Laura Harrison. She’s Portuguese by ethnicity. But English by marriage. So she’s multilingual and all this kind of stuff.

She’s the reporter that follows him around from the very beginning, when he goes there for formula Ford and some cart racing all the way through the end of his career, he

William Ross: totally made

Crew Chief Eric: up.

Prof. Jon Summers: Yeah, exactly. No, no, no. She’s an amalgam of three or four different British. I read an article about it this morning.

I think Dennis Jenkinson, the motor sport guy who saw him really early on the guy who he was close with and then had the falling out with. Was a guy called Mike Doodson. I also think there’s another character in there. Maybe Mike Greesley. I maybe should have read more. I skim read the article about the Laura Harrison character.

My first thought is, well, that’s bogus. My next thought is, no, um, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. [00:21:00] Hyde. The narrator is this wallflower character. The great Gatsby. The narrator is a wallflower character. Great storytelling demands sometimes that the narrator is this wallflower who takes no part.

Crew Chief Eric: So she’s an important part of the plot.

Prof. Jon Summers: Yeah. Do you buy her as a character?

Crew Chief Eric: Yes. He allows Us the viewer to pull those other threads and they come to a head in like episode five and we’ll talk about that as we go along because your point about the bullying and she makes these references and what I always say is you can take the boy out of the cart but you can’t take the cart racer out of the boy and so some of Santa’s tactics go back to those early days of cart racing if I can’t get around you.

I’ll punt you, but it gets more dangerous the bigger the cars are. So some of that gets involved, but she’s always there. She’s always lurking in the background. And

Prof. Jon Summers: everyone else was afraid of touching in open wheelers. Senna wasn’t. I’d never seen that before. That’s what reached out of the screen and got me.

It was how much do you want it? Are you afraid to crash? Are you afraid to crash? He asked [00:22:00] every one of his rivals that. Every time he went to pass, and often they were, and when he’d beaten them once, he’d beaten them forever, and I’d never seen anything like that before. And then this individual, out of the car, wasn’t an aggressive, mean bully, he was cerebral, he was laid back.

He was cool. That was why he became my hero.

William Ross: The one thing that also is, you know, I want to say it’s prevalent throughout it, and it’s very, you know, I can say understated. There’s definite racial undertones in regards to how outsiders are treated over there, especially if you’re in English, but, you know, even, you know, European of the sort.

But coming from South America, There was definitely that message. There was a racial bias. So 100 percent

Crew Chief Eric: yes.

William Ross: Our Mr. FIA, how do we pronounce his name? John

Crew Chief Eric: Marie Balestra, our favorite

William Ross: villain

Crew Chief Eric: in the FIA. He’s

William Ross: just the total prick. Anyways, there’s a lot of racial undertone in that also that goes on too, which is kind of interesting.

Prof. Jon Summers: So Balest was in the Nazi party in the second world war. [00:23:00] Yeah, here we go. I, he was a real deal. So I was shocked when I learned that. And I only learned that recently. Because the way the news stories were covered in period, Senna was really aggressive and crashy, so I could understand why, like, the authorities were like, check yourself before you wreck yourself kind of thing.

Crew Chief Eric: But as we foreshadow another episode that’s coming where we talk a little bit more about Balestra, he’s not in it for the drivers. He’s in it for himself. And it becomes very clear in the series that Senna is good for business. Despite his attitudes and the way he handles the other drivers and all of his tantrums and everything else Senna’s good for business.

Prof. Jon Summers: He’s such a talent. That’s what the copadia movie does so well Is that in the first couple of minutes there’s footage of him driving those 1200 horsepower turbo cars And he’s got them on the ragged edge when the senna thing first came out came around again in, in a shocking way, 20 years after he’d gone in the mid [00:24:00] like 2010.

I went back and I re watched the races being like, I know what I saw when I was a kid, do I still feel it? Because I was terrified that I would watch and he would just be another racing driver. He wouldn’t stand out. But when you go back and you watch those early Formula 1 races, the difference is apparent.

The speed, The increased commitment it leaps out of the tv screen. It’s really astonishing

Crew Chief Eric: to the plot his family We don’t look at them as individual characters They’re a group his mother his father milton his sister vivian. They’re a unit they appear a lot. They obviously show that he’s a big family guy.

His relationship with his mother is super important. His relationship with his dad, even more so in some ways, and they’re a part of his life and they’re supportive. And they paint that picture. That’s part of the plot that runs all the way through to the very end is that his relationship with his family is tied back to Brazil.

When he gets to Europe, after all the England stuff. stuff. And we get into Formula One by episode two, three, this is where we can go. And now we can talk about [00:25:00] Jean Marie Balestra in more detail, what he was all about. But more importantly, where we start to really just ramp up is the picture they paint of the relationship between fellow Frenchmen, Alain Prost That.

Is like Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader. That’s how they paint that picture. And Ayrton Senna is Luke Skywalker and he’s coming in here to rectify everything. Am I wrong, William? Like that’s how it comes across.

William Ross: Yeah, and the midget Yoda

Crew Chief Eric: has a very Star Wars feel to it when you get to the middle part.

William Ross: Well, you know, one thing I find interesting, too, is like, like you said, you know, also, we get to that form one day, but he honored his commitment or his promise that after the championship, he went back to Brazil. And how true it is. But Keith Sutton, the photographer, seems like he played a big role in getting him to come back as he was pushing him to come back.

But also he was talking with these teams.

Crew Chief Eric: I don’t know how true it is. They played him like Jimmy Olsen to [00:26:00] Superman is how they played. Exactly.

William Ross: A hundred percent.

Crew Chief Eric: Do you know

William Ross: Keith Sutton, John? Have you ever met him?

Prof. Jon Summers: Yes, I had a number of his book and when you mentioned the Keith Sutton name, I had forgotten that Santa had the close relationship with him.

It’s interesting that Keith Sutton’s a separate character and not amalgamated into the journalist character. Yeah, I feel like I need to go back and revisit because when I went to Imola in 2004, there was nothing there. It wasn’t closed. There was one other guy who recognized my helmet, which was a Senna replica crash helmet, because I’d ridden there on a bike.

So in 2004, no Razzmatazz there. In 2014, so 20 years after Senna’s passing, there was an event at Imola. And that event had used an awful lot of Keith Sutton’s photography. And I’ve used it in a lot of the work that I’ve done. So for example, they use Keith Sutton’s photography and then created a sort of Andy Warhol image of it.

And for me, seeing that exhibit first made me think about this whole transition from being a racing [00:27:00] driver to being some kind of immortal legend, somebody who deserves having a. miniseries made about them. For me it began at that exhibition and that photography was Keith Sutton’s works. The photography is of course a really interesting way to tell the story because racing cars particularly, the picture really does speak a thousand words when it comes to racing cars.

William Ross: He was in the early part and the way they were playing it in the beginning you thought he was going to play a little bit more role throughout the whole series but it was just in the early part. You know, getting him to come back to Brazil and taking some photos and whatnot, sharing some pictures. And that was about it.

I thought he’d be in there a little bit more because he was obviously played a huge role in that period, taking photographs and everything like that. And it seemed to be that they tried to play it off that Senna was very big into that, appreciated those types of photos. What

Prof. Jon Summers: you have to understand is England’s really small.

So if Ron Dennis doesn’t know that person personally, He knows somebody who went to the same high [00:28:00] school as him, or he knows somebody who was raced with him in a lower series or something. It’s rather like NASCAR, in that it’s a small community that you’re joining, and the media guys, they’re traveling on the planes, they’re staying in the same hotel.

The reason that Senna was so hurt by Mike Doodson that time, if it was him, Mike, if it wasn’t you, I’m sorry, but the reason he was so hurt by that was that, They talked on the plane to and from racist. And it was those conversations. It was that closeness that they felt like they were friends. And the journalists at the time separated what they really knew from what they were going to write for the particular British newspaper that they were writing for at the time.

And, and a number of the journalists would write for. a left wing rag one minute and then would write for a high end right wing newspaper. They’d go from one extreme to another in terms of the kind of stories that they’d write, but they would have the same relationships with the drivers. And Dennis Jenkinson, the motorsport guy, he was a Senna [00:29:00] believer.

After a plane flight where they talked together and it was then that DSJ realized that this wasn’t brain out speed This was deeply thought about and considered and listened to so in other words It is a club that you’re a part of and if you are an outsider if you’re a mediterranean Or from south america, you know There is a phrase, right, that an Englishman is worth 10 of Johnny Foreigner.

And I’m not saying Ron Dennis was a subscriber to that. That was something that people used to believe in the days of the redcoats and all of that. But there’s still a notion there that we’re doing it our way and you Frenchies and Mediterranean’s and anybody else can do it their fucking way. We’re doing it our way with our American buddies with these American Ford V8.

We’re doing it our way.

Crew Chief Eric: The way they portray that is actually a little bit earlier in the story where Peter wore from Lotus is like, we need to bring Senna to Lotus. We need to do it now. And one of his bosses, I forget who it was, is now it’s gotta be a British driver. We’re going to bring over [00:30:00] Mansell.

That’s the way they show it in the movie to again, do that racial bias that William was talking about. They use Lotus. As the way to explain that, but then later it’s like, Oh, look how triumphant Santa was. He ended up at Lotus. dah. And he overcome adversity. And it’s great. That’s only like a sliver of what goes on.

Because once you get to the meat of the sandwich, episodes two, three, and four, it becomes over. All about Senna and Prost.

William Ross: No, no, yeah, they really focus on that quite extensively in regards to that battle between those two. I find it hard to believe that Senna didn’t push back more in regards to, I would say, mental games.

The way they portrayed it was Prost was the one pretty much doing all the mental head games and Senna was just kind of like, yeah, whatever. I have to believe that Senna Gabe just as good as he was getting in those scenarios. It seems weird. I mean, yeah, I know he was a big thing. I’ll do it on the track.

I’ll show you on the track. We’ll race her, but I just can’t see him getting bullied by the midget like that.

Crew Chief Eric: I kept saying to myself and John, you and I [00:31:00] have had this discussion before about the Senate versus pros rivalry and how it supersedes everything hunt versus louder and going back to all of them.

It’s just. It’s like, but in this series, they portray Prost really, really badly. I am surprised if he hasn’t seen this, that he’s not suing Netflix because they really make him look like a complete piece of shit. I feel for him and I don’t, but I do because I think it was bad, but I don’t know that it was anything.

As bad as the hollywood turned it around on him.

William Ross: They tried to make it up though in the end And a lot was that in five six after he’s retired. It’s so

Crew Chief Eric: hollow

William Ross: Yeah, I mean they try to kiss his ass a little bit,

Prof. Jon Summers: but it’s like I

William Ross: don’t

Prof. Jon Summers: know in real life. They did make up Yeah, I believe in real life There was a closeness and and the other thing is is that in period the way the british media delivered the story to me, or the way I received the story, it was that Prost was part of the Formula One establishment.

He [00:32:00] was a fixture at McLaren, he was acknowledged as the most complete driver and the winningest driver at the time, and Senna was really fast. But Crashy, and that made him great to what, but you could understand why the Formula One authorities struggled with that a little bit. So for me, this portrayal of Ballest and Prost as villains is really, really peculiar.

Illusion. Now, I should say at this point, I got interested in Formula One in 1984, so the same time as Senna came to Formula One. I didn’t follow the PK period and the period of the FISA FOCA war. And this FISA FOCA war really, Bernie Ecclestone seizing control of Formula One as the FOCA representative from the teams, because at that time he was Brabham team principal.

In other words, If Boles has it in for the British teams, well it’s because Bernie [00:33:00] Ecclestone is a car trader from South London, Frank Williams is a car trader from South London, you know, Ron Dennis is a mechanic, he was Jack Brabham’s mechanic. They truly are Ferrari’s garage easters, and now one of them’s owning the sport and making lots of money out of it.

I mean, you can understand why people in France and people in Italy felt like they wanted to do something, you know, in the way that they did in the thirties when the Germans were winning all the time, they invented voiturette racing again with small engines so that they could have their own races that they could win again.

Crew Chief Eric: So it’s funny you bring up Ecclestone because the only time you see See him or someone portraying him in the series is actually during the driver signing in like 1989 into the 1990 season. He’s sitting to the left of Balestra as we’re facing him and you see the terrible comb over and they don’t use Eccleston in any way during the conversation.

But a little fact that people might not know because you brought up FISA is really interesting. If you look into Balestra’s past and [00:34:00] you want to talk about collusion and conflict of interest, he was at the head of the FIA. and the head of FISA at the same time. They overlap almost entirely from 1978 through 1993.

So he’s in control of two sanctioning bodies. How much power does Balestra really have? And again, at the end of the day, the way they paint the picture versus as we’ve come to understand in other ways, where Balestra is about Selling cars and what’s good for business and all those kinds of things. They really create this emperor Palpatine, Darth Vader collusion between Prost and Balestra.

And that’s how Prost got his championships. I mean, it’s like, tell me how Prost became a champion without telling me how Prost became a champion because Balestra wanted him to be champion. And that’s the story that they paint in this and how Senna was robbed. And then we come back and we pan to Brazil and all of Brazil is upset.

And you remember the paintings and the murals that people would have of the carpet being ripped out from underneath of Senna while Frost is there laughing and Balestra’s [00:35:00] holding the trophy and all these kinds of imagery. It’s a

Prof. Jon Summers: saint’s life.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, a hundred percent.

Prof. Jon Summers: This is the life of a saint. This is St.

Patrick walking on water. Yeah. This casting of Frost as the villain is really fascinating. But it’s almost a flip side of the movies that I used to watch when I was a lad, when the British Empire characters were the goodies, whereas now every movie that I watch, it’s like we’re the colonial baddies.

William Ross: Well, they create the whole narrative of that, basically just really drop it really hot, so to speak, when they take away the win at Monaco in 84, when he’s driving for Toleman.

All that rain’s going on and all of a sudden, you know, Pross is kind of like, oh, stop the race, and then stops before the finish line and Senna goes past and all that stuff. Yeah, because the rules were that it’s

Prof. Jon Summers: always from the lap before.

William Ross: Yeah.

Prof. Jon Summers: Nowadays, they just stop the race ages before. Yeah. Everyone would have been like, ooh, crash, ooh.

Right then they were like, Oh, leave it. And only when it got really bad where they like, Oh, we better stop it. Right. Yes. Senna felt that he’d been robbed. But the other thing that they show this [00:36:00] arguably Stefan Beloff’s performance in that race was even greater than Senate. Oh yeah. No, progress through the field was even more meteoric than Senate.

Crew Chief Eric: That would have taken away from the beatification.

William Ross: Yeah. Then later, obviously in. Four, they touched that and when he gets his first win with Lotus in the downpour, it’s in Portugal.

Prof. Jon Summers: Estoril. Yeah.

William Ross: And they’re trying to get him to stop the race and bow straight. He’s like, no, cause Prost is still kind of in there and whatnot.

Then all of a sudden, you know, what’s his name from Lotus is kind of saying, you should call it. You did it in Monaco. Da, da, da, da, No, it’s his entertainment. He kind of blows them off and then pros crash. And, but they finish it. That’s where they really kind of laid the groundwork and solidified that, look, Bouncers was really pro pros and pro French and manipulating things.

Just really being the puppet master.

Crew Chief Eric: And so the way they continue this for hours, because this is a large chunk of the series, And we get the classic altercations at Suzuka. We get Monaco, the lap of the gods, all that kind of stuff. And I [00:37:00] want to talk about the lap of the gods separately. He’s almost going to lap pros, but the way they bring it all together at the end, before Senna and pros make up and become friends suddenly, I mean, that literally happens, it’s like a 32nd thing.

And you’re like, wait, like you guys were trying to kill each other five minutes ago and now you’re friends. So, okay, fine. The way they do it, it’s beautiful. Actually. They use the Laura Harrison character as she’s writing about Senna’s story. And we’re getting closer to the 1993, 1994 season. She writes this article in episode five ish, and it’s on the headline of the motoring journal that she was writing for.

And it says Senna champion, a bad example. Question mark. And now he’s got a grudge against the fictitious journalist. He doesn’t want to talk to her anymore. All this kind of thing. Fine. But I thought that was really, really interesting and really telling because it makes you question who is the bad guy here?

Because if you watch the Senate documentary, if you do your own research, you read the books and the papers in and out of period, you start to realize Senate [00:38:00] was a bully. To your point, the mind games that he would play.

Prof. Jon Summers: Let’s be clear about what he would do, which others were just not ballsy enough. to do.

He would put the car in a place where the other driver had to make a decision. Do I turn in and we crash or do I let him pass? Right. And if you let him pass, you’ve let him pass forever, every time you race him. And I thought it was absolutely majestic that nobody else had the cojones to do it. I thought it was absolutely majestic.

Absolutely majestic. Nobody else was fast enough to be able to put themselves there.

Crew Chief Eric: Except for Schumacher, who did the same thing.

Prof. Jon Summers: Yeah. Nowadays, everyone does the same thing. And from the days of Schumacher, really, it fundamentally changed the sport. And what we need to do is we need to almost roll back to the way that it was in the 50s, where if you touched in an open wheeler, somebody was eating hospital food.

If not, you were going to their funeral or was your funeral, literally. In the old days, only Farina. Was actually gonna put the car somewhere where you let him past [00:39:00] or wrecked. Nobody else did that. Nobody else was that aggressive. And even if you read about George Fulmer, you know, that character from American motorsport, when he raced in Formula One, he was much more aggressive than the Europeans and the Europeans hated him for it because it was like fine.

Argy bargy on a dirt track in Nebraska, but you can’t argy bargy at spa in the rain, but Fulmer, Race the dirt track in Nebraska and spar in the rain in a Formula One car in exactly the same way. That hadn’t happened in Formula One, right? Formula One got safer throughout the 80s. You know, after that period in the early 70s when it was really bad, they took the most dangerous circuits away and it became a lot safer.

When I was first watching Formula One in the 1980s, it wasn’t death in the afternoon. The seat at Lotus was open because de Angelis was killed testing over the winter. I, I think, believe it or not,

Crew Chief Eric: I’m glad you went here because there’s something I think you would agree with. The way they did it was very subtle if you were paying attention.

It all goes back to again, the Laura Harrison [00:40:00] journalist character at one of the moments before she publishes. That is Sena a bad example article. She shoves the microphone and senna’s face and she asks them, what do you think about what? Stuart has to say about you, and he’s like, well, what do you mean?

And she says, and I think it’s a direct quote from Sir Jackie Stuart in that Senna ushered in the end of the era of gentlemen drivers

Prof. Jon Summers: fully a hundred percent. And at the time I didn’t want to be listening to what my parents were listening to. I wanted to be listening to Slayer and that’s what Senna brought.

William Ross: Yeah. Well, that’s where he came up with one of his. Famous quote or said, if there’s a gap, I’m going for the gap. If you don’t go for the gap, you’re not a racing driver. Right.

Prof. Jon Summers: Yeah. And that’s why not the half Portuguese attractive lady reporter. That’s why the little beardy dude who sat alongside Sterling Moss when he won the melee, Melia looked at that Brazilian and thought, Oh, you’re something different.

You’re really special because Dennis Jenkinson, who wrote for motorsport, which was the magazine that I read really believed in center right from the outset. And when the others were like, he’s too crashy, [00:41:00] DSJ would always be like, no, look deeper. Look at the reasons why. And that’s why in those seasons at Lotus, he ran out of gas in a lot of those races.

And the British press said, Oh, it was cause he turned the turbo up to have the glory of leading. But really he never had the speed in the first place. Whereas I believed he had the speed. He just didn’t strike me as the character who would do that. And years later, I realized that DSJ knew that. Sen himself was deeply hurt by the notion that he would have just wound the turbo up to have the glory of leading, right?

He just was not that kind of character at all. I felt that through the TV screen, DSJ knew that for a fact having spent that quality time with it. Jenks was great. Loved him.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, I’m glad you brought up the speed because that allows us to segue into another part of the plot, which is the infamous lap of the gods at Monaco in 1988 behind the wheel of the McLaren.

What’s interesting about this is I feel that there’s two laps of the god because he gets retribution a couple of years later at Monaco in the 90s. Where he executes, without mistake, what [00:42:00] he wanted to achieve in 88. Now, when you listen to even the documentary, in Senna’s own words, he talks about the surreal out of body experience, and how the laps just kept coming, and he was going faster, and blah blah blah, and it was Ron Dennis on the radio that distracted him, and suddenly broke his concentration.

Well, he wasn’t really concentrating, right? Because he was having an out of body experience, so he was driving by complete intuition. All of the sudden, And I listen to it now with much wiser ears, and I’m like, this sounds like alien abduction stories. And I’m not trying to be any sort of way towards that, but it’s like, okay, just admit that you were going too fast and you screwed up and you had a tantrum and went off to your hotel room.

Prof. Jon Summers: No, no, you qualify a second and a half faster than the fastest guy in the sport. Apart from you in the same car, you were not just a bad guy. bit faster you were on another plane and you went back to your hotel that night you lay in bed and you slept and you knew that god had [00:43:00] touched you in a special way second half is huge that’s massive and so when you’re in the car and driving and you’re concentrating you are in the zone as they say for senna that was fully god speaking through him that’s what i believe he believed his death Talent in the car was something that God had given him, and he was simply channeling.

And I feel that he got high on his own supply, and that’s why when Ron was like, Slow down! He was like, Oh, fuck, and put it in the barriers at Portier, right? And that whole thing of, Oh, he went back to his hotel room, he sulked. No, I didn’t have any problem understanding. I can’t understand these NASCAR drivers who get out of the car after a wreck and are like, My sponsor, love my wife, family, God, Jesus, better luck next time, right?

No, fuck on that. I’m pissed. I lost. It was my fault. I’m sulking in my flat and I’m not talking to anyone. I understood that. That’s how I would have reacted. That’s why I loved

William Ross: him. There was really no way to get back to the pits from where he crashed at anyway. That was the other thing too. It [00:44:00] was like, it would have been a night.

It was like, it was right there. And I agree. I wouldn’t say anything. Screw this. I’m going in. It’s right there. Back then, you didn’t have all the, what you got to do today. Like you’re saying with NASCAR, any series. Oh, thank this. God bless that. Blah, blah, blah. Hey, you know, and yada, yada. You know, inside you’re so pissed off.

It’s like, come on, you know, it’s not reality. That’s what I loved about Senate. It was so real. It was so authentic.

Crew Chief Eric: The problem is the film detracts from that because what we saw in period on television was Senna’s got that look. He looks like a kid that just, he just screwed up and he’s going to go pout in his room kind of thing.

And he’s going to be punished for it or whatever, right? The way the film does it is he goes back to his hotel room. We see him go up the stairs and the next scene, his sister Vivian, who is a, Psychologist is in there appeasing him and talking to him and consoling him. And that’s how we get the whole discussion about this surreal nature of his driving and how God touched his soul and all this stuff.

And you’re like, Oh my God. Like, yeah. Okay. And again, the Senate documentary, you [00:45:00] hear it in Senna’s voice where he explains it himself in his own words. And you’re like, okay, so there’s a little movie magic there. There’s a lot of footwork and pedal box, which was super annoying and CGI and all this blurring of the screen.

And it’s cool. for the non racing enthusiast. Like, Oh, that’s really cool. That’s dramatic. That’s a neat way that they did that to kind of exemplify it all. But I was like, okay, let’s move on. Because if I look at Monaco 90, he drives exactly the same way in exactly the same car and he doesn’t screw up and it’s a better lap at the end of the day.

Prof. Jon Summers: Willie, what did you make of the action sequences? I read they were a bit like Ron Howard’s Rush.

Crew Chief Eric: Yes.

Prof. Jon Summers: Yeah. I found Ron Howard’s Rush a little glossy and pornographic for my liking.

William Ross: Yeah. They used some actual real footage here and there. I wish they would have used more.

Crew Chief Eric: The machinery was exquisite though, much like the Ferrari movie.

William Ross: Yes, exactly. Having access to the actual cars, obviously helped out immensely.

Crew Chief Eric: There’s that one scene, especially like they have the Tolman and they have the McLaren and [00:46:00] P4 and all that stuff. It’s that one in the dark with the Lotus, the John player special, when they show the real car in that warehouse, that was so cool to see that

William Ross: as Eric said is we can tell looking at it and watch it.

Okay. That’s just not real. That’s fake. That’s CGI. We don’t really need to see that, but to the person that just kind of, Hey, this is entertainment value, the drive to survive crowd. I mean, is that. Which is what they’re going after because that’s a huge audience. Oh, this is so awesome. This is cool. I mean, how do you think they got all these people subscribe to Netflix because of Drive to Survive and got people on board with F1?

I

Prof. Jon Summers: want to watch with my kid. I want to see whether or not it captures his imagination. He’s 10 now. Oh, he’ll

Crew Chief Eric: like it. Yeah, I like it a lot.

Prof. Jon Summers: We’ll see. I’m really fascinated to see if his classmates are interested in watching it as well and how it resonates for them.

William Ross: You just can’t be back there going, that’s not true.

No, that didn’t happen. You can’t be critiquing it, but you got to keep your mouth shut. No, no. I’m, I’m

Prof. Jon Summers: literally gonna button my lip. Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: But the thing I thought was funny is how many times they went back like they would do in a Fast and the Furious film. All the shifting and the [00:47:00] arm movements and all this, it was always the pedal box.

And he’s wrapping the throttle. Like he’s driving a rally car. Right. Which I think comes from the famous video of him driving the NSX at Suzuka for Honda, where he’s wrapping the throttle to try to get the car to be more pliable in the corners. So they just translated that to, this is how he drives his Ferrari.

formula car, which I don’t think you would be that erratic and that not smooth because you don’t want a formula car to step around a corner like it’s drifting or whatever. So I saw that as, for me as a detractor in terms of saying, well, this is how Senna drove. Like he was a rally driver and he’s not.

Prof. Jon Summers: Sam Posey did a piece that I’m not sure if it’s still on YouTube, but he did a piece analyzing Senna 20 years ago. I mean, Sam’s like. Alzheimer’s now, isn’t he? Yeah. In that piece, he broke down the genius by saying that he felt like in certain corners, not all of them, medium speed turns, Senna would bend his line around the turn.

He would enter on a more shallow [00:48:00] entry, turn in at the normal point, but have a more shallow entry, and then tighten his line around the apex. So for Posey, he sort of chopped at the steering wheel. On around that. So perhaps it was replicated. Now I’m not seeing that NSX footage. Interesting thought with the pedal box.

Crew Chief Eric: And by the way, the series is sponsored largely in part by Honda. They even have a special advertisement that they do at the beginning. You’ve probably seen it starts out. You won’t remember my name. It’s all about perseverance or whatever. So the series is backed by Honda. It’s very pro Honda. So that’s why I was sort of like, I wonder if they got the inspiration from that NSX video.

Prof. Jon Summers: How do we talk about the relationship with Honda? Then in the movie, because all the time he was at McLaren, the talk was that Prost was the one that was the outsider because Senna had this special relationship with Honda. And I felt like, yeah, Senna had this special relationship with Honda was because when you worked with Senna, Senna delivers, if most people deliver a hundred percent, Senna delivers at 110%.

And [00:49:00] that’s what Honda wanted. Honda aren’t. In the French boys club, Honda aren’t European, right? Honda are looking for somebody who is going to arrive early, not get drunk and stay late. That’s what they want. And Senna with the engineering feedback combined with the utter brain out commitment on the track.

He was exactly what they wanted. Of

William Ross: course they did enjoy karaoke. I was going to say. I would have been great if they would have had, uh, cell phones back then and see them guys singing karaoke. Because that’s the one interesting scene when they’re kind of negotiating that with Honda. It’s Ron Dennis and Senna.

Crew Chief Eric: And Ochiro Honda, old man Honda.

William Ross: Yeah, and they’re, and then like the one guy, like tell him, come up here on stage and let Ron talk, you know, kind of a whole interesting little scene. But yeah, it was kind of funny seeing them.

Crew Chief Eric: I was so bad.

Prof. Jon Summers: I don’t know if that really happened, but it’s really cool to imagine that that might have happened.

Old man Honda, Senna, and Ron Dennis drunk in a karaoke club.

William Ross: Pretty much. He’s drinking whiskey. I mean, he takes a, I mean, you can see it. It’s [00:50:00] a great picture because who’s really going to tell what actually happened. Ron Dennis would be the only one. You know, Ron’s not going to say anything. But hey, let’s paint a picture.

It’s entertaining.

Crew Chief Eric: The gentleman he goes up on stage with, and pardon me for forgetting his name, from Honda, Becomes a major secondary player from that point forward. You always see him with Senna. And then there’s the arguments with Prost about the favoritism that the engineer from Honda is giving to Senna.

And then even in the very last episode, right before the race at Imola, you see a glimpse of the guy from Honda sort of giving him the what’s up nod and that cast of people, so that’s how Honda kind of places themselves almost product placement. Outside of the car throughout the rest of the series,

Prof. Jon Summers: it’s clever of Honda to be involved because the legend of Santa would not be what it was.

Were it not for those Honda motors, they were just the class of the field in period.

William Ross: Oh yeah, definitely. In that scene, Mr. Honda proposes the question to Ron Dennis. Well, do you think Post is going to like having Santa as his teammate? And [00:51:00] Ryan kind of does a chuckle if he’s got a Honda engine, he doesn’t care who his teammate is.

So along those lines, and it’s basically making the fact is, you know, that’s the superior engine. That’s the engine you want to have. All they did was basically have it. It was Prost and Senna and the McLaren stuff. They really didn’t get into it when Prost left McLaren. All of a sudden, Prost is retired.

And it’s like, okay.

Crew Chief Eric: They followed the theme of the fastest driver wants the fastest car. So he left Holman to go to Lotus. Because Lotus was perceived as the fastest team. He left Lotus to go to McLaren because McLaren was beating Lotus hand over fist. And then he left McLaren to go to Williams because Williams had, quote unquote, the magic carpet.

All the electronic nannies that were helping Damon Hill and Nigel Mansell. And all those guys to win. So he goes to Williams in the end, and then he gets the rug pulled out from under him, pun intended, because Ballester decides, well, we’re going to take all the nannies away, but it leveled the playing field for all the drivers because nobody got the electronic nanny.

Prof. Jon Summers: It didn’t level the playing field because [00:52:00] Williams had not done any conventional development. for two years. Two years Williams had been Active Ride. Now the Active Ride was taken away. Some teams hadn’t ever developed Active Ride. Some of them had continued with a crappy form of Active Ride that was still like half active but half not.

The point is that it wasn’t a level in the playing field. At the beginning of 94, Williams had been the best car and immediately went to having no development. So Senna had struggled so hard. To get into what became an unbelievably twitchy, difficult car to drive. I just want to say, I’m not sure if they got into this at all, but I wrote a piece years ago and it’s since again, cropped up on Wikipedia.

And I’m like, Oh, you know, it begins with the pit lane fire in 1994, right? Josh Verstappen’s most memorable moment. The Verstappen name’s first entry in Formula One history. Flavio Briatore cheats the fuel rig. So it pumps more gas into the tank. That means the fuel spills everywhere and Verstappen’s car catches on fire.

And this is [00:53:00] Briatore cheating. And Briatore was cheating with traction control. He was cheating with the fuel rig. And that put Senna on the back foot throughout 1994. It was hard to watch because after 92 and 93, where the car just fell further and further, Off the pace for 94, finally got the, I mean, I’m not sure if they do this in the series, but it was well known during 1993 that he was racing from a power and on a race by race contract, he said

William Ross: he would drive for Williams for free.

One scene that how expensive it was. And I think we all know it was a million dollars a race. Remember it served me correct. It was something obscene number, but yeah, they touched on that, that it was a race by race basis.

Crew Chief Eric: And the other thing that we get later. That culminates from all this is the pro Senna thing abruptly stops and they don’t talk much about when pros went to Ferrari and all that.

They just sort of like, they like, he went over there and that’s the end of that. And then they mentioned Schumacher like twice, the German at Benetton that he’s fighting with, but they never show they don’t have anybody [00:54:00] play Schumacher or anything like that. And they don’t really talk about it anymore because.

At this point, we’re five episodes in out of six and we need to wrap things up. But there’s a bigger piece that we missed that carries over three episodes and take it or leave it. It goes back to what we mentioned in the beginning about the sexual aggressive nature and Senna has a type, you know, we go from Lillian to the princess of Monaco, which that was hilarious.

And then we usher in Xuxa, famed Brazilian TV host, actress, singer, you know, she was popular with children’s programming, even some here in the United States. They had this weird undertone, if you kind of paid attention, where every time he sort of did something with a woman, something went wrong, or he lost a race.

You could attribute the lap of the gods in 88, to the fact that he hooked up with the princess the night before. Be a king.

Prof. Jon Summers: But did he in real life?

Crew Chief Eric: I have no idea. I don’t either. Nobody knows, but the joke would be, you know, our friends. Steve and Izzy from everything I learned from movies, Steve would say that he had post nut clarity going into that Monaco race.

But the point is when we get to [00:55:00] Shusha, I remember that Christmas special where, you know, he leans in and the innuendos and they showed it in America on PBS or something like that or whatever. Like you never knew and you thought something was weird and was going on. But what I didn’t know in period was they were a couple.

The series made it sound like they were going to get married and they were going to have kids and he was going to retire from racing and Shusha was now his world. Then comes the breakup when they broke up at the end of 89 in Australia. Then he has this shit season the next season. But the worst part of it, William, tell me this, this was not a direct ripoff of days of thunder, that pillow talk scene where he’s like, Oh, it was so cringy.

You could have deleted it completely from the film. It was unnecessary. Yeah. Did all this stuff with Shusha actually happen again? They spent the better part of three episodes. Using her as part of the plot.

William Ross: That intertwined deeply. Is that the message they’re trying to put out there? That when he gets involved with a woman, all of a sudden shit happens and he [00:56:00] drives bad because his mind’s not clear?

Because again, you know, unless you’re in that room, you don’t know what’s going on. And even if they were talking to his family, they wouldn’t know exactly what was going on behind closed doors. So you don’t know. So it’s all kind of just say, well, he’s together, but we can, it was unnecessary. Yeah. You could touch on the fact that if you wanted to know his personal side, a little bit was the fact is, you know, they had the relationship and it seemed like they had, they were going to go through him, but then also, you know what, our careers are just too busy and we’re just too famous.

We can’t make this happen. We’re done.

Crew Chief Eric: And here’s some obligatory boobs because of the HBO crowd that wants to see them.

William Ross: Yeah. It shows some TNA a little bit on there too. You know, I was surprised over there going that route because they really didn’t touch on the fact his religious aspect of it, because he was a very religious guy, you know, they kind of mentioned it, but all his philanthropy that he did in Brazil and what he does and still going today, like very, very healthy billions and millions of dollars.

Did Sanina get a mention?

Crew Chief Eric: Sanina was shown on a t shirt. That’s how they did that. And he was wearing it during one of the recreation, I think it was the driver’s meeting that he got [00:57:00] up and left. He was wearing the Sanina t shirt.

William Ross: Yeah. And again, it was six episodes long. Then you think, well, maybe they’re just trying to squeeze stuff in.

You know what? I think they could have find some, put it in there. But again, it’s like the story they kind of wanted to tell. You know, all of a sudden they just kind of cut off from the McLaren stuff with Prost. Now all of a sudden he’s at Williams, you know, last episode, they’re delving into that tragic weekend.

They didn’t like get into anything about the buildup to it. They didn’t get anything like about the season, him going to Williams and doing any testing, anything. It’s just all of a sudden they’re there. They go into that pretty in depth in regards to all the tragedy that happened with, you know, Barrichello’s crash.

Kind of expand on that, talking with Barrichello after the crash and, Oh, I’m fine, I’m alright, this and that. But then, the thing happened with Ratzenberger, and then you really start seeing, set aside of it. Because that’s the other thing they really touch on is, you know, he was very driver safety oriented, even though he kind of was a bully on the track.

I don’t think we should be racing. It’s now, you know, hey, you know, we’ve had these tragic accidents. I think we should be making [00:58:00] more statement. And of course now, hey, the show must go on basically.

Prof. Jon Summers: He was a completely reasonable man off the track. Yes, completely psychotic on the track. That was what I remember.

Crew Chief Eric: Could you bring that up because that’s another thread that they continue to pull from the very first episode and Senna was just like Belligerent about I settle my problems on the racetrack. You could have turned it into a drinking game. How many times that phrase was used throughout the series, which gave me pause when we get to Tamburello, should we go here, William uncorked that baby.

All right, here we go. Buckle yourself up, John. Here you go. With that context in mind, my wife said something as she was watching the last episode with me and seeing the crash footage of Tamburello for the first time as someone who had never seen it before. She goes. Did he drive off intentionally? And I stopped for a second.

I said, wait, wait, wait, hold on back that up. And I looked at it and I looked, I looked at it again and I went back and I’ve rewatched the Tamburello crash a couple of times. And it made me think if I use the lens of the Netflix series [00:59:00] and that aggressive undertone of, I settle my problems on the track, going into that race at Imola, he was angry at the FIA, especially Max Mosley.

He wanted the race to be stopped. Ratzenberger is killed. Barrichello is in the hospital. There is crash after crash after crash. The track surface is terrible. It was a very like Jackie Stewart stopped the race. We shouldn’t be doing this, but he calls his mother from his hotel room, which by the way, the hotel room is nothing like what you depicted in any of your stories or photographs.

It’s very nice. It’s like the Ritz Carlton in comparison. He calls his mother, who I believe would have told him to not race that day. She goes, you do what you’re going to do. You’re going to race because you always race. You’re not going to not race tomorrow or whatever. And then you can feel the dramatic buildup and all this kind of thing.

And again. Listening to my wife’s very innocent words, thinking about what Netflix did, I speculate if he didn’t want to make the ultimate statement to stop the race by purposefully putting the [01:00:00] car in the wall, and he miscalculated how fast and how much he needed to slow down.

Prof. Jon Summers: Eric, Jesus died for our sins.

Crew Chief Eric: Thank you.

Prof. Jon Summers: Jesus died. Died so motor racing could live. I don’t believe it for a minute. You can get that impression. I don’t want to encourage people to sit there watching crash footage, but PK had a wreck that he thinks ended his career as the fastest guy, right? He thinks he was never as fast and his eyes certainly weren’t the same after his Imola wreck.

There’s footage of that. I remember in period, Berger’s rat there, where Berger hits, spins a little bit, then the car catches fire. On each occasion, the car spears off the track. At its route, I don’t subscribe to the broken steering column theory. I subscribe to a theory that has the car riding low because of reduced tire pressures, because of the time behind the pace car, and the fact that the inside of Tamburello was bumpy, and Senna warned Hill, his teammate, not to go there.

But Senna puts the car there [01:01:00] and you can see that from the onboard footage of Michael Schumacher’s car. In fact, from that onboard footage, you can see that Senna’s car sparks more than anybody else’s there. That’s right. I came here to win and I’m a go karter, so I’m going to set the car up real low. So his car was lower than anybody else’s.

So yeah, me, he tobogganed off. There’s unfinished business. People don’t commit suicide if they’ve got a full diary. He had a full diary beating the Germans.

William Ross: And to your point about tire pressure, he was bitching when they were behind the safety car, the safety car wasn’t going fast enough.

Prof. Jon Summers: It wasn’t the safety car.

So for me, when I went to Imola in 2004, one of the single most awesome things was you could go in the garages, the garages were open. There was also that Opel Vectra. Pace car. I was a sales rep in England. We had cars like that. They were called Vauxhalls, but that was the top of the range one. It was the double overhead cam, 16 valve, two liter.

Hold onto your hats. It made 190 horse. Oh, that much? [01:02:00] 190. Yeah. And it might just crack 140 miles an hour. Nowadays. The pace cars are much faster than that, aren’t they? In order to keep the tyre temperatures up. Let’s be clear, that car was the first year of safety cars. One of the first times. Yeah. That’s even the first time a safety car had ever been deployed.

And yes, at the time Senna did express. Concerns about the tire pressures and all that. Look, there’s no way you could have kept the tires up to temperature. No way. No. How? No,

William Ross: I will say it’s an interesting theory or proposition. If you could look at everything on it and his viewpoint and see, yeah. But again, I think if I was going to do it, I would have done it at a much slower corner, not doing 190 miles an hour.

I would have probably picked one when I was doing about 60 miles an hour. done something on those lines. I mean, cause what is his goal would have been to try and get the race stopped? He knew in his body he wouldn’t stop the race.

Crew Chief Eric: Why crash on a different corner than everybody else that already crashed on?

Cause that’s the corner everybody was crashing in.

William Ross: True, but again, he knew though, they wouldn’t stop the race then if he crashed because they don’t stop the race. What

Crew Chief Eric: doesn’t discount my new [01:03:00] theory. Sabotage theory is out of the question and I never believed the steering theory. I’m sort of eh on the cold tires.

The electronic nannies regulation thing is another thing you could consider. You know, these are not the era of ground effects cars. And to your point, John, if he lowers the car, he can artificially create ground effects that way. So maybe that was part of his plan, whatever. But what we don’t have, we don’t have substantial data from the car to disprove whether he was accelerating, constant throttle.

or braking going through that corner and you want to tell me that even at 34 years old senna’s reaction time and they made a big point of this in the series that he needed to feel the car we got to tighten those straps so he can feel every vibration of the car that he didn’t know something wasn’t right Approaching the corner in the corner mid corner The only thing that can disprove that he didn’t go straight off is looking at the data from the car if it actually exists Because if he was full throttle through the corner, [01:04:00] let’s just say that.

Yes, you’re right. He planned his attack He set the car up and the car just gave way and tobogganed off the track. It’s

Prof. Jon Summers: not a corner in that period. Tamburello is not a corner, it’s a straight, right? The kink. How does Keith Coe define a straight? A straight is where you can do what you like with the throttle.

So from the time that you come across the start finish straight at Imola at that time, the throttle is flat until you are through Tamburello absolutely flat, then you slow down at the end to go into Tosa, or whatever that corner is at the bottom of the hill there. All it was a case of doing was deciding where you put the car on the track.

Crew Chief Eric: Go back and watch the crash, which I’m sure you’ve done. The trajectory is like laser straight compared to he’s mid turn and the car just under steers off the track and he ends up in the barrier. He literally goes straight into the wall.

Prof. Jon Summers: Yeah, it spears off. It’s not like an understeer y. Correct. You’re right.

It doesn’t seem to be. That’s why I always want to use the word toboggan. To me, it’s like toboggan. Straight off the track.

Crew Chief Eric: If there was race data, and even if he [01:05:00] was speared off, he would have reacted by a change in steering angle and slamming on the brakes. The race data would prove conclusively how he reacted to what was happening, even At high triple digit speeds.

Prof. Jon Summers: I thought he had tried to apply the brake. We

Crew Chief Eric: can all think different things. Again, I want race data.

Prof. Jon Summers: Well, I mean, isn’t that one thing about it that the car has been broken up? Yeah. We don’t know where the car is gone. And that is one of the things where if it was around. We could in future do different tests than we were able to do in period to maybe work out what happened.

William Ross: Well, they made it disappear because I think they knew in their mind that the Italian course because they’ve set precedent about going after like Caro and stuff like that. Didn’t they try and go after Frank Williams and charge him with manslaughter or something? But then they they couldn’t look at the car because oh, we broke it apart or whatever.

And they try and go after him legally.

Crew Chief Eric: That’s where I get the whole sabotage theory is that somebody sabotaged the steering and blah, blah, blah. And all this kind of thing. That’s where that came from because of the accusations [01:06:00] against Frank Williams that they tampered with the car. But why would you do that to your prized horse?

That doesn’t make sense.

William Ross: And here’s where I, and I’m kind of happy they did. They really didn’t get into theories. No. What cause they just said, Hey, he crashed and he died. They really didn’t get into touch either that, oh yeah, he was kind of alive for a bit after it actually was, according to Sid Watkins, you know, he was still alive for a bit.

I don’t know how long after, but not much, but, you know, they really didn’t delve into that, which is good, I thought. It’s like, why start to, you know, oh, maybe this or whatnot. Oh, hey, he crashed on purpose, you know, creating those candle worms. But it gets there and gets to that point. Then obviously they go on after the fact, briefly on the funeral, everything like that.

I thought they could have gone into more too about his legacy in regards to what after the fact and what up till now, I mean, even today, he is such a mythical figure in auto racing. He is such an inspiration, you know, even to kids that never saw him race, they just know who he is. How

Prof. Jon Summers: old was Lewis Hamilton when he raced, right?

Lewis Hamilton was younger than my son [01:07:00] when he signed up. Yeah. But this was the thing that I jotted down two topics in this sort of thing. The theme section that we’re in is greatness and the center difference, and that’s sort of the same thing. Does the series convey the center difference properly?

Does it convey what made him so great? Does it convey why the series is about him rather than about any one of the other guys in that driver briefing?

Crew Chief Eric: No, it’s exactly what I summarized in the introduction in that it’s about nationalism. It’s about pride. It’s about being the hope of a people. That’s how it ends.

That whole theme is cemented. With his win at Interlagos in 91, and that carries through the last episode. And to William’s point, they glaze over the funeral because Brazil is heartbroken. Jesus is dead. The hero has fallen with his shielder on it. And that’s where they leave you, and then it pans to the very famous.

Speech of inspiration and hope by Senna himself. And I’m including it in the articles. If people have never seen it, they can watch it. But it ends with Senna talking to the camera, breaking the fourth [01:08:00] wall. In his own words, this message of hope for the world.

Prof. Jon Summers: The actor or the real Senna?

Crew Chief Eric: The real Senna.

Prof. Jon Summers: And that’s where they

Crew Chief Eric: leave it. You’re still like, what did I just see? What happened here? You have a sense and understanding that he is a great driver. But we’ve had this argument before about greatness. If you compare Senna to Fangio, if you compare Senna to Schumacher, if you compare to Lewis Hamilton, it’s like always in period in the machinery and you can justify why he was great at the time.

He was great. I’m not saying that Senna wasn’t a great person. And I’m again, not saying that he committed suicide or anything like that, but there is still a lot of mystique around this story and there’s answers that we don’t have. And I don’t think we’re ever going to get.

William Ross: I hate to use the word. But they mentioned it once in regards to his work ethic, you know, and he was very well known that this guy’s just unbelievable in regards to work ethic.

And they really didn’t get into that too. And the other aspect I think that they should have touched on more too is, I mean, he was, had an engineering background. Mine. So he knew what he was [01:09:00] talking about. He wasn’t just some schlep. The guy was like, well, it’s just doing a little of this. So figure it out.

Then I’ll go drive it again. See if we fixed it. He had input and worked on the cars and knew what it was doing and how to fix that and correct it to see if it would help solve the issue.

Prof. Jon Summers: Yeah. My understanding is he had good rapport with the mechanics. Yes. They respected his work ethic. Obviously, they didn’t like it if he crashed, but they respected the level of commitment that he brought and that if they’d made a change, he wouldn’t just go out and be like, man, if they made a change, that would be reflected in his performance.

And of course, it’s that element that Michael Schumacher takes to the nth degree and allowed Michael Schumacher to turn Formula One into a procession for a number of years.

William Ross: That would go more to us automotive people, and we’d have loved to have seen it, but again, they’re making a piece to ride this, try to survive a wave.

They’re trying to make this appealing to a mass audience, and especially a mass audience that their knowledge and history of Formula 1 auto racing [01:10:00] itself is very minimal. So a lot of these people are just getting into it. They’ve only been for a few years. You know, they’re on the periphery of it. You know, now all of a sudden they’re kind of delving into it.

It has

Prof. Jon Summers: to be an on ramp for people.

William Ross: Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: So one thought I had Hold on, hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. The one other thing that it does do though is, even though he doesn’t qualify age wise, it enters him into that mysterious 27 club, they call it. Like a Kurt Cobain or an Amy Winehouse, where we don’t know the whole story.

story. It was a tragic death. There’s a lot of people in that realm. And so in my opinion, it depicts him in that way where it’s like, you should now understand that this person was larger than life. You might not have the whole story and you might not need all the details, but understand. That he is in a category with these other folks that were taken from us too early.

And what could have been, if he was still alive today, he’d be in his 70s. Let’s be real. We don’t know.

Prof. Jon Summers: Well, he’d be Martin Brundle now, wouldn’t he? That’s a really profound comparison though. The comparison with Amy Winehouse and Kurt Cobain. That’s [01:11:00] better than my Elvis and Monroe. Eric, you’ve really hit the nail on the head with those contemporary 90s characters.

And what I wanted to ask you guys a little bit about was I feel like the reason why, if you were a movie studio, you would have greenlighted this, despite the Cappadia film, the sort of retelling of the Cappadia film. If I’m a movie executive and I’ve funded this, I want big shoulder dresses. I want cocaine white Ferrari Testarossas, particularly.

I want this to look as cool as Miami Vice looked in period. If I’m signing the checks, that’s what I want it to look like. Did this piece look like good?

Crew Chief Eric: Yes. Yeah. You would have thought Ron Howard did this movie, much like Rush, but it was done by a crew of South Americans and Portuguese. I mean, it is not even filmed in English.

I watched it in the native Portuguese with English subtitles. There are dubbed versions. The whole cast was mostly non American. You look at the credits and stuff. I mean, you’re like, this was produced out of the [01:12:00] norm. Even for Netflix, which is fine because I took it like Money Heist and some of the other foreign shows that Netflix has brought to the table, which have been exceptional.

So it’s slightly a league above like a Money Heist and some of those other programs because it has that quality to it that you would expect from a Ron Howard film. It is that good looking and the machinery is fantastic. Again, very, very good. The pink jumpers. So there’s good with bad, but again, like I said at the beginning, I would recommend this to both the non racing enthusiasts to get an idea of what Senna’s life was like, but also to the die hard Formula One fans that maybe know even more than we do to say, you will enjoy this.

It’s a good retelling of There are other options out there for you. So I wouldn’t just pass it over and say, Eh, I know the Senna story, because there are other nuggets in there, like the Shusha thing is a prime example that I was like, Wow, okay. I always like when I walk away from something like this, mockumentary or documentary, going, that’s [01:13:00] interesting.

I’m going to pull that thread and I’m going to dig a little deeper.

William Ross: Yeah, because they don’t tell, I’m going to say, fabricate lies. Don’t know that never happened. You know, just for the story to try and make it even bigger, whatever you want to say it would be. You know, they stay true to the history of it.

They just like omit some things and maybe gloss over some things and that kind of stuff. But it’s not like they take some story, which we would know in depth or know what happened and just totally change it. Just for the storylines, which is good.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, it also benefits from the fact that this happened basically through the eighties and nineties, and there’s a ton of file footage to pull from.

Again, I say, when you watch the press conferences, the interviews, when Senate takes his stand and basically says the FIA is a bunch of idiots, all that was taken from primary sources and they reenacted, they dramatize those sources, but they did them exactly. And they were beautiful and they were brilliant.

Are they convincing? Oh, hell yeah.

William Ross: Oh, yeah. When you watch, it’s worth the time. I guess the one nice thing is you can break it up. It’s not like you got to sit there and [01:14:00] watch it, like a two hour movie. You know, Hey, you got an hour here, hour there. We had time.

Prof. Jon Summers: You did, but you don’t have to do that.

William Ross: Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: I had to break it up because I was writing so many notes.

I wanted to digest. Every episode by itself and then I re review my notes. I was a little bit more pragmatic about it. But yes, you could binge it on a Saturday in front of the fireplace if you want to. But space it out because there’s so much there. Again, every episode feels like a movie because there’s a lot happening very quickly that they’re jamming into a 60 minute format.

You’ll definitely

William Ross: enjoy it. There’s no doubt about that. Yeah, you’ll definitely enjoy it. And I recommend people to, you know, definitely watch it. Not force it on someone, but definitely watch it. And again, it’s entertainment. This is not historically accurate, telling it so you know exactly what happened.

No, this is entertainment. Getting this, you know, history and background incentive for a period of his life. It’s definitely worth the watch. I will say

Prof. Jon Summers: that. I guess my last question would be, Is there anything about the series, plot, character, theme, or style, thought that you have, note that you [01:15:00] made, Eric, that you don’t feel like we’ve covered in the conversation today?

Crew Chief Eric: No, because what I don’t want to do is spoil it for people, especially for those that haven’t watched yet or planning to, didn’t know that it released on the 29th of November, or have been anxiously awaiting for it, or want to learn more about Senna. I want you to enjoy it the way it is, and then Go about and do your own research.

Go back to some primary sources. Go back to the F1 TV channel. Watch some of the old races. Watch Suzuka in the late 80s and 90s and the battles against pros. How all that stuff played out and how the media covered it. The journalist

Prof. Jon Summers: character is a real magazine. Autosport.

Crew Chief Eric: Exactly. Yeah. Go back and watch the documentary from 2010, which is absolutely excellent.

Just use this as a jumping off point to other things. If you’re an inquisitive person and want to know about a really, really important era in Formula One racing.

Prof. Jon Summers: Thank you, Eric.

Crew Chief Eric: So I’ll leave our listeners with this. And again, in the spirit of not spoiling it for those that haven’t seen it, we’re going to have a collection of additional supporting [01:16:00] information in the Grand Touring Magazine in issue 31.

It’ll come out alongside of the episode, but I also encourage you to go back and check out johnsommers. net and some of the articles that John has written about his day. Time following the Senna story, being a Tamburello photographs of the Andy Warhol picture that he talked about earlier, you know, things like that, but also understand that it is a fictional mini series based on Ayrton Senna, De Silva’s life.

He’s a Brazilian racing legend. He won the formula one championship three times. It’s available on Netflix for you to binge and enjoy. It’s six hours or so long broken into six episodes. So I just want to remind people to never stop learning and to really enjoy this. Almost unmatched era in Formula One racing.

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Tuning into to the podcast episode (above) will give you more of a series review and play-by-play, but there’s a few key aspects we’d like to pull from that discussion for you to consider when experiencing the series for yourself.


Jean-Marie Balestre (1921-2008)

If allowed, the producers of this series could probably do an entire extra mini-series on the life of Jean-Marie Balestre. Always seen as a divisive figure in Motorsports, serving at the head of FISA (The Fédération Internationale du Sport Automobile) from 1978-1991 *and* the FIA (The Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile) from 1985-1993. We speak more to Balestre’s role in the shaping of WRC (and Group-B Rally) in another podcast, but lets just summarize our understanding as “he wasn’t in it for the drivers.” 

Balestre in the SENNA series is always lurking in the background, with very few lines but always placed at the right place, at the right time. And much was communicated through his body language. Even though some artistic license was taken during “closed door scenes” – which we realize could be a mixture of primary and secondary source accounts – encounters like those between Lotus’ Peter Warr and Balestre, or the driver selection meeting in 1989 with Ron Dennis (above), did happen. And the distain that Senna felt for the sanctioning body (especially Balestre) wasn’t made up either but any mention of Bernie Ecclestone and his role in shaping Formula 1 at this time was wiped from the story.

However, the reenactments of the press conferences and interviews sourced from available file footage were perfectly executed. And if you were wondering, disgruntled drivers versus FIA management (seen above) at that time were par for the course, if you look over F1’s history. It stems from pioneers for F1 safety like Sir Jackie Stewart constantly going to battle against the establishment during the ’60s and ’70s, at the risk of being suspended or worse, banned. Even in period for Senna, this was just “more of the same” (including throughout Max Mosley’s time at the helm as Balestre’s replacement). As motorsports enthusiasts we just continued to grin and bare all of it. There’s even a point where Ron Dennis comments that Balestre needs Senna to remain in F1 because “its good for business”; despite Senna’s outright and flagrant opposition to “politics and stupid decisions” on the part of the FIA leadership.

Where it gets really interesting is how the series depicts the almost sinister relationship between Jean-Marie Balestre and fellow Frenchman and four time F1 world champion Alain Prost; creating a very “Pro-Senna” vibe throughout the remaining episodes.


Prost… the villain of our story, or is He?

Jon Summers and Crew Chief Eric have debated on several occasions the Senna v Prost rivalry. Was it really real? or Was it all just publicity? That aside, it was like nothing else up to that point (even Hunt v Lauda wasn’t on this level) their rivalry seemed to never be at anything less than redline; and as some would recount “…nearly killing each other every time they went out on track.”

Jon would argue for and align with the sentiment expressed in the series that Senna ushered in “…the end of the era of gentlemen drivers” a quote accredited to Jackie Stewart after Senna received his world championship title. The film tends to lean in a little deeper into the scheming and collusion that (allegedly) occurred between Prost and Balestre. It all comes to a head during the 1989 Grand Prix of Japan at Suzuka Circuit, where despite not being penalized for jumping the start, Prost, later “turns into Senna” attempting to take him out of the race, and then runs to Balestre citing rule book regulations in an attempt to get Senna disqualified and cement his championship. #collusion #dirtytricks

Now, some might argue that Senna was up to his standard “bully tactics” trying to force himself “into a gap,” causing Prost to make the error, and whereby he deliberately plowed into Prost. Potato-PotAHtoe. The fact remains that they were teammates and this should have never happened. Senna was able to continue, and miraculously win the race, only to be heavily penalized in favor of Prost’s next championship title; while McLaren’s manufacturer points suffered as the collateral damage. And it just gets worse from there, all the way up through Prost’s retirement from Ferrari in the early ’90s.

The series highlights mind-games, gentlemanly trash talk, mistrust, distain, loathing and even aggressive backyard brawling attitudes on the part of Prost throughout the series, attempting to paint him squarely into the role of the villain. It goes as far as to title Episode 5 – “HERO” – as the rivalry comes to a sudden close; with a quick turn-about showing Prost and Senna suddenly as “good friends.” So again, we ask: Was it really real? or Was it all just publicity?

To Jon’s credit, we can’t avoid mentioning the other more subtle antagonist in the series which comes in the form of the fictitious F1 journalist Laura Harrison. She’s been following Senna’s progress from his early days of Formula Ford in the UK. She poses the question: “Is Senna a bad example?” Hinting at the idea that you can take the boy out of the Go-Kart, but not remove the aggressive tactics of a Kart racer out of the boy.


The Lap of the Gods (Monaco, 1988)

One of the most iconic moments in F1 – Monaco 1988 – was Senna’s race to loose (and he did). Describing in his own words, in the documentary also titled “SENNA” from 2010, an “out of body” type experience as he continued to pour on the speed increasing his gap on teammate Alain Prost.

Movie magic and special effects really heighten the viewing experience (below) during EPISODE 3: AMBITION as part of the reenactment of Monaco ’88. What it provides visually in exploring Senna’s sensations is wonderful, but also makes him seem a little crazy, almost as if you were listening to an account of alien abduction.

Although you can’t fit every detail into a series like this, I’ll submit from the F1 archives: Monaco 1990, where Senna is on the charge and looking just as fast as he did in ’88. To many of us these ’90 laps were absolute perfection!


Xuxa plays a bigger role than we’d realized? 

Maria da Graça Xuxa Meneghel better known to the world as just “XUXA“, was a Brazilian TV host, actress, and singer with popular children’s programming seen even in the US during the late ’80s and early ’90s. Some of us might remember the Christmas episode (below) with the infamous unheard on-air innuendos between Xuxa and Senna, but that’s really all gossip we got in the states. #blushing

During the series, we got to see “a lot more” of Xuxa throughout Episodes 3-5. And by “a lot more” there’s even a scene reminiscent of the famed Days of Thunder pillow talk between Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise, all we were missing was the sugar packet. Like most love scenes in car films, it was a little cringey, and could have been removed in a directors cut without the audience knowing any better.

All that to say, we never realized how much time Xuxa and Senna spent together as a couple. The film focuses on their relationship quite a bit and even teases marriage and future children. Their break up comes at the end of the ’89 season in Australia, and 1990 is glazed over as a “throw away year” for Senna, which quietly raises the question: Did she have a hand in Senna loosing his edge?

The series quickly turns to his first win on home soil at Interlagos (Brazil) in 1991. Xuxa returns several more times throughout the film and even hints that maybe they might get back together.


Impressions are everything

The two big questions that people seem to continue to ask us about the series: “Is it worth the watch?” and “Is it any good?” – Truthfully, the answer is *YES* on both counts. Netflix’s SENNA unlike Asif Kapadia’s SENNA documentary from 2010 is designed for the Drive to Survive crowd as much as hardcore automotive historians and enthusiasts alike.

Newer Formula 1 fans they might be going into this saying “Who is this Senna?” after hearing phrases like “…not since Senna have we seen…” or “…he’s acting just like Senna” when referencing current drivers like Lewis Hamilton or Max Verstappen. This series also helps fuel the continued enthusiast debates about who is “the GOAT” of Formula 1, and for some of us it’s hard to fathom that you wouldn’t know about or consider Senna when having that conversation.

Overall, this series does a wonderful job of summing up his life, his importance, and his legacy for all audiences. SENNA is aesthetically pleasing, the machinery (if original and not totally CGI) is amazing to see in action, and using primary sources as the inspiration for the dialogue is brilliant.

Some folks might be turned off by the Portuguese with English subtitles format, but Ayrton Senna was Brazilian and this series showcases his nationalism, heritage, and is deserves to have been produced using (and watched in) his native tongue. Although, you do have other viewing options, if you like dubs and exercises in bad lip reading.


Tightening up loose steering ends

Just like the SENNA series, we come full circle with the crash at Tamburello. There’s been debates for over 30 years about “Steering Malfunctions, Sabotage, Cold Tires, Electronic Nannies Regulations” and countless other theories and speculation surrounding the crash.

With wiser eyes we began reanalyze everything though the lens of the SENNA series. Much like William Walker’s book about his cousin Peter Kries mysterious death: “The Last Lap” what *IF* you put into context the series’ underlying (and repeated) message that Ayrton Senna always wanted to “settle his issues on the racetrack” and always having something to prove, Did he make the ultimate statement at Tamburello?

We’ll leave that up to you and the Formula 1 scholars to decide, but we do explore this idea in more detail on the podcast, in case you skipped it. #invincible 

Just like the SENNA series, we’re going to end this article with Ayrton Senna’s famous inspirational speech to the world. #belikesenna


 

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From Detroit Basement to Pebble Beach: The Slot Mods Story of David Beattie

On this episode of Break/Fix, we dive into the extraordinary journey of David Beattie – founder, designer, and lead artist behind Slot Mods, the bespoke slot car track company that’s turned childhood nostalgia into high-end motorsport art.

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David Beattie’s story begins in Livonia, Michigan, where he grew up as the youngest of eleven siblings. His brother Leo worked for McLaren’s K&M team in the early 1970s, bringing home tales from the racetrack and even Peter Revson’s car hauler to their driveway. That moment – seeing a real race car up close and salvaging its burned-out tires – ignited David’s lifelong passion for motorsports.

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Slot cars were already part of the Beattie household, with David and his brothers racing 1:24 scale Strombeckers through the house in loops that rivaled professional circuits. But it wasn’t until decades later that slot cars would become more than just a childhood pastime.

David’s early adult life veered into music. A self-taught drummer, he landed a record deal at 20 and played in punk and new wave bands across Detroit. His brother Leo had transitioned from racing to managing rock legends like Alice Cooper and Peter Frampton, and David followed suit into the music scene.

But after a serious car accident in 1992 left him with temporary memory loss, David’s life took a turn. “I haven’t been the same since,” he says – and that’s a good thing. The accident sparked a desire to do something meaningful, something lasting.

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This Break/Fix episode features an in-depth interview with David Beattie, the founder, designer, and lead artist of Slot Mods. Established in 2007, Slot Mods specializes in creating custom, hand-crafted 1/32nd scale slot car tracks for private clients and public exhibits. David shares his journey from growing up in a large family in Detroit, his early exposure to motorsports, and his varied career path that led him to turn his passion for slot car racing into a successful business. The discussion includes his design process, the meticulous craftsmanship involved in building the tracks, and stories of working with notable personalities like Jay Leno, Bobby Rahal, and Zack Brown. David also offers tips for DIY enthusiasts looking to get back into slot car racing, emphasizing patience, proper tools, and the importance of enjoying the hobby. Future projects and ongoing innovations at Slot Mods are also highlighted, showcasing the company’s commitment to high-quality, detailed creations that bring joy to enthusiasts worldwide.

  • Superhero origin story! – 10 kids? Take us back to Motown and how your passion for Motorsports got started. How were you introduced to Slot Car Racing? 
  • How did you turn a hobby into a career? Did you go to school for art? Design? Industrial design?  What was the road that led to Slot Mods getting started? 
  • Let’s talk about the Design / Build Process for these tracks. Are they all commission based? or do you just decide, ok… this month we’re going to build a replica of X?
  • You’ve also had the opportunity to chat with Legendary drivers to get their perspective on the replica tracks you’ve built. Famous Names with Slot Mods tracks?
  • Are there any public locations where people can go see or race on a Slot Mods track? 
  • 1/32, 1/24 vs HO-scale – why/why not?
  • The good/bad/indifferent of the various brands? Do you recommend any?
  • Tips & Tricks for slot car racers; what’s the best way NOT to fly off the track? 
  • What’s next for Slot Mods?

Transcript

Crew Chief Brad: [00:00:00] BreakFix podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from all over the autosphere, from wrench turners and racers to artists, authors, designers, and everything in between. Our goal is to inspire a new generation of petrolheads that wonder what’s How did they get that job or become that person?

The road to success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.

Crew Chief Eric: Tonight’s guest founded the slot mods brand in 2007 and serves in the dual role of both designer and lead artist for each commission project, every slot mods track bears David Beattie’s signature, passion, artistry, and meticulous attention to detail.

But did you know that David grew up in a suburb of Detroit with 10 siblings? One who worked for McLaren’s K& M team. He’s a fan of all things motorsports, including Formula 1, NASCAR, and sports car racing. His love of auto racing began when [00:01:00] Peter Revzin’s K& M car appeared on a car hauler in the family’s driveway.

And he’s here tonight to chat with us about how he turned his passion for slot car racing into a second career. And with that, let’s welcome David to BreakFix.

David Beattie: Gentlemen, it’s a pleasure to be here.

Crew Chief Eric: And joining me tonight is William Ross, who you might remember from MPN’s Ferrari Marketplace podcast and other fine programming that we have here on the network.

Welcome back, William.

William Ross: Hey, it’s awesome to be here. It’s gonna be a fun one tonight. Just so you guys know, listening, I’m That I actually was blessed to be able to tour David’s studio, which was fantastic. It’s really cool. And if you haven’t seen the video, check out the video to the tour. Cause it’s really, really cool.

Crew Chief Eric: Like all good break fix stories. There’s a superhero origin, 10 brothers and sisters. You got to take us back to Motown and how this all got started. It starts with your brother. Back in the

David Beattie: early seventies. I was only nine or 10 years old. My brother, Leo was working for McLaren. He was kind of a gopher tiger guy and such like that here in Livonia, Michigan.

Yeah. We were watching speed racer and really enjoying that. [00:02:00] And we had slot car tracks and things like that, but with him working for McLaren, coming home and going out on the road, and then with the Peter Revson car, the car hauler coming back from road America was really kind of like the, uh, you know, the aha moment.

And it was super cool. We just really wanted to ride the pit bikes because we had an acre of land. You know, we’re like animals. We just all wanted to get on the bikes and he’s like, Hey, chill out. Seeing Peter’s car there. You know, that was really impressive. From that comes the story of us getting the burned out tires off the truck and put into our garage and we had, you know, all four of them.

We like to roll them around. I mean, they were big. We were little. That was kind of my introduction. And one day my dad came on and said, we’re going to clean the garage and I want those tires thrown to the road. We rolled them out there thinking, okay, yeah, we’re just going to throw them away. You can see the cord sticking through them and such.

And now I think back and I go, God, I wish I had those in my office. And, you know, it’s just one of those things when you’re in the moment, you’re not really thinking about it. As he went on the road and, you know, he’d come back and we’d always talk about speed racer and talk about racing. And I [00:03:00] believe he gave my brother and I the snowmobile slot car set.

And he also got us a Bachman Turner overdrive album, which is really cool for Christmas. Something else. Little BTO. Yeah. You know, we started watching the Indy races cause he was working for, I think it was Gordon Johncock was driving for McLaren, but I believe he was the driver in the Indy series for McLaren at the time.

He was in the music business after that, but being able to go to McLaren with him one day was super cool. When I had the chance to go pre COVID to a reunion and the dynamometer is still in the room and it was really a small place. So it was really kind of cool to see some of the guys who worked with him.

William Ross: Dave, how old was your brother at that time?

David Beattie: 19 or 20. Oh, that’s it. Oh, wow. He was young. Yeah. He was out on the road and you know, I have this great picture of He came home and it’s my birthday and there’s a cake and he’s in his McLaren shirt and we’re all sitting there around the table. It was pretty cool.

Crew Chief Eric: As adults, we raced slot cars, but as kids we played with slot cars. It’s very different. So that snowmobile set, was that the Genesis of [00:04:00] your getting into slot car racing, or were you already playing with slot cars before that point?

David Beattie: We were playing with slot cars before that point, because I have six brothers.

They were racing one 24 scale, big Strombecker, one 24 cars in the house. You know, it got down to where we were just racing chassis, the bodies and such were torn off. And so the way our house was set up, you could go in a complete H through all the rooms and come around. So we’d have our corner marshals and we’d host races.

They would humor us. I have a twin brother and he’s actually more of a car guard than myself. So that’s when we were like racing slot cars in our minds. And then when we got the Stummobile thing, that was more of a toy ish, it was kind of fun, they didn’t go fast. And to your point, Eric, we weren’t really racing, we were more, more or less playing with them.

And so, with life, as it changes, and I started finding myself watching more Formula One, I was enjoying Indy and all that kind of thing, and it was when I got older, and I would say, When I [00:05:00] turned 45, six or 48 ish is when I had a franchise that I was running and I was kind of bored. And I said to my wife, I got a hummock or schlummer Christmas catalog.

It’s a little green. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of it. Love that catalog. I think it was great. Yes. Yeah. It was like a Brookstone or one of those kinds of things in there. I said, Hey, you know, I’d like a soccer track for Christmas. And I showed my wife it and, uh, it was Christmas morning and I got up and I was all excited and there was no slack car track set there for me.

I was kind of bummed out and then she went down the hall and she came out and she gave it to me and I was like, ah, yes. And I looked at him like, ah, one of the 132nd set, but she got me the 143rd. I couldn’t show that I wanted the bigger track. I went downstairs, we set it up on the floor and I was down there on my hands and knees and racing.

And I was like, I felt physically too old to be on the floor racing. And so over the course of the next four months, I purchased over 120 feet of plastic track went to one 32nd, half of my basement was all just plastic track. And then, then I was racing with my brothers and a couple of [00:06:00] my neighbors. So I would say my late forties when I really re engaged with the hobby.

Slot car racing and collecting.

Crew Chief Eric: There’s a huge gap there between little David playing with the snowmobile slot cars and let’s say 50 year old David racing with slot cars. So you mentioned that you had a franchise in between. Now in your second career as the founder of Slot Mods, it’s chief designer and artist and things like that.

Did you go to school for like industrial design or for design in general, graphic arts? Like, what is your background and how did you take your original career or your schooling and turn it into this second career?

David Beattie: Number one, I didn’t graduate from high school. Number two, I thought that was a great social scene.

So I was really good at that, but you don’t get graded for that. And I have no shame in that. I always felt more artistic. I’m a self taught drummer. So at the age of 20, I got a record contract with a band out of Florida. So I moved to Key West for a short period of time and some of the members had been backup musicians in ABBA and bands like that.

So I was [00:07:00] a self taught drummer because my brother Leo, after he went from the racing, he went to work for a road manager for like Alice Cooper, Peter Frampton, Proko Harum. I was around a lot of music and I wanted to be a drummer. So it was a big chunk of my life there that now I was a drummer. I was playing around in Detroit, late seventies, early eighties, all, you know, in the punk bars and new wave.

So I really wanted to make it music. So that’s where I kind of turned away from the racing, but I was still watching formula one, which I really enjoyed. So that gap there, I was just trying to find myself in life, you know, because I was kind of like a lost soul. So I really turned to music, but I was also always had like an entrepreneurial spirit.

I was in sales and we drive down this road. I mean, it’s like our main strip. Gratiot tell my daughter, people used to cruise Gratiot back in the seventies and sixties here, just like Woodward, but they cruise Gratiot. And there’s all these little buildings and. I told her, I said, I used to go and knock on every one of these doors to try and sell people printing because that’s what I was into.

So I learned to be quick on my feet and [00:08:00] talking about things. And she’s like, Oh, you know, how many jobs did you have? I said, well, you know, because I kept taking different jobs in different fields. And I just told her, I said, you know, Mads, your dad can interview really well, but I get smoked out about six months later.

So I didn’t move on, but nothing really held my attention. I always liked old toys and so that kind of like had me going in the music part, but I was driven being the youngest of 11. My dad worked two jobs. There was a lot of struggle in there, but we always had holiday gifts and things like that. But I wanted to kind of, I don’t want to say break the mold.

When I saw the movie Wall Street, good or bad, it had this influence on me and I had the blue suit and I wanted to go sell and didn’t have the brains for it. But, um, to answer your question, I mean, there was young David having fun with slot cars and then the music and playing out and getting the really great opportunities there to then going, okay, what am I really going to do with my life?

I was in a car accident in 1992 that wiped out my memory for six months. I [00:09:00] could remember like an old episode of Gilligan’s Island, but if you just asked me what I had for dinner yesterday, I wouldn’t remember. It was kind of crazy. I recovered for over a year, but after that accident, you know, like my family and friends and everybody where I am today, they like said, man, what did that accident do to you?

Because my head went to the side window and I said, I don’t know, but I haven’t been the same sense. And thank God, because here’s what I’m doing. Not that I thought, oh, geez, life is short. It was just like, I want to do something. I want to do something. The economy crashed here in 2008. Prior to that, you know, like a year or two before that, my wife had gotten me that slot car set by Carrera.

From playing with the slot car set I got for Christmas, and then developing that, I met somebody and they said, Hey, you know, there’s a guy in Dearborn, which is out by Ford Motor Company. He has this large wooden slot car track. You should go there. And I’m like, yeah, I’d like to meet him. So I finagled an invitation and I went there and I took him a gift.

I had this mobile oil racing shirt and his name is Jimmy Adder. And he’s kind of my mentor from the early days. And [00:10:00] the way he talks, it’s like, Oh, thanks. He’s got a really high voice. He goes, no one’s ever given me a shirt. And I’m like, well, I always like to bring a gift. He and I bonded really quick. His track is phenomenal.

It’s called the North line raceway. And I said, boy, I’d like to build one of these. He goes, yeah, everyone says that. And I said, no, really, I want to build one of these. Jimmy came out and we measured in my basement. Okay. 18 by 18, we can fit a track. And so he comes over and I got the wood and he goes, where are your tools?

And I go, what tools? And I was a hammer. And it’s Screwdriver and he’s like, come on. So the next week he brought over his tools and table saw. And we started cutting things outside and really created a bond. And I learned a lot from him, but to that point, there was a lot of gentlemen who lost their jobs here in the automotive industry.

And there was about six other gentlemen. And so they would come over every two weeks and help me build out this big wooden slot car track. And then we’d host races. And that’s when I got into racing because Jimmy would hold these big races. And then I’d have races with [00:11:00] 12 guys over my track race, six cars.

And it was a great camaraderie. And at that time I wasn’t really thinking about this can become a business. It was just something I was doing. I was an operations manager at a large exhibit and display company. But then when I lost my job, Prior to that, I was trying to sell this do it yourself, you know, 4×16 kit.

And I showed William the picture of my daughter and I in the hobby shop that I went to after losing my job, thinking, what am I going to do? And then I thought, I love slot car racing. I think there’s people out there who will enjoy what I’m doing at this larger level, or even a small level, just to get people back into the hobby.

And that’s what I was really driven by. I never thought, oh, I’m gonna, I’m making a lot of money. So I’m like, I say, I’m going to make all this money because that really wasn’t the vision. It was more about getting this grassroot movement of bringing friends and families together through the joys of slack car racing, because that’s what I was experiencing with my friends during this difficult time in building this track and racing.

I was kind of lost, but then I thought, okay, I’m going to try to sell these tracks. I [00:12:00] went to a hobby shop. The gentleman said, Hey, you know what? I’ll let you set up an aisle six. So I set up a track that I routed on the side of my garage, a true story. And I took it there, set it up. My young daughter, Madeline, was with me, and I was just sitting there and people would come by and go, oh wow, you know, what’s this?

And I’d say, oh, there’s slot cars, you know, and the store was busy. So a lot of times they thought I was like one of the stock boys. So I’d start helping them and picking out slot cars. Oh yeah, here’s a good one for you. Through that, I met a gentleman, he came in and he goes, oh, everyone’s got a high voice in my world, I guess.

Oh, you know, but

William Ross: not

David Beattie: really. He said, this is really interesting. And he took my card and he said, you know, Dave, you should print some cards and leave them up at AutoZone, which is in the parts store, which is a really nice static model shop, magazine store on Woodward in Birmingham. And a lot of the heavy hitters, Ford Motor and such go there to get die cast cars.

And I mean, it’s a great, it’s called past diners. So I set some cards out there and in doing so, a gentleman picked up my card and he called me and said, Hey, you know, I’m interested in slot card track. And I said, well, you know, sure. Come [00:13:00] on over. Cause he had heard about mine, which was called legends. And he saw my track and he was like, Oh shit, this is amazing.

You know? And I said, Hey, so I started saying, okay, well, here’s these four by 16s that I sell. And he goes, no, no, how much for something like this? And I’m like, well, I don’t know. And I said, I can’t build you anything this big, which was eight by 18. Let’s just say. And he goes, what about a third? And I thought, ah, geez, you know, I said, ah, 4, 000.

And he goes, all right, let’s do it. And I’ll say, I’m like, wow, 4, 000. I’m leaning against my dryer in the basement thinking this guy’s going to actually pay me money to do this. Went out to his house and he and his wife were so excited. It was one of the coolest experiences because it was my first sale. I took it in my Dodge Caravan over there and installed it and they still have it.

And Jimmy actually came out and helped me build it. And as I was building it, I started getting the idea that man, slot mods could be something much bigger than just these four by 16 tracks. And I should really think about doing more of a scenic track. So I was working on that track. And that’s when the light went off about building these big tracks for private [00:14:00] clients.

As I was finishing up that track, I took an ad out in Garage Style Magazine, just on a whim that said custom slot car tracks and things like that. They reached out to me and they said, Hey, you know, the Pebble Beach concourse is coming up. And could you build us the Pebble Beach Raceway, which it was to be raised to the forest.

And I said, sure. So borrowed 10 grand that I didn’t have from my friend and said, this is all I need. I’m going to build this track. I’m going to California. As I was building that track, I got an email from Jim Farley, Ford Motor Company president. Back then he was the global marketing president. I didn’t know who he was and so I had to Google him and he was like the golden boy Alexis before he came to Ford.

And I’m like, Oh wow, you know, Jim Farley wants me to build him a track. He said, Hey David, can you come out to my house? And I said, well, sure. So went out to his house, got to meet Him, he wanted Laguna Seca because he and his wife used to go out there and watch races when they were dating and such. And so I started building him that track, which now I couldn’t really work at my house.

So I had to go to a friend’s building who was kind of like a brother in law [00:15:00] to me, rent a space from him, you know, rent it. I think it was a hundred bucks a month, but it was probably 15 feet by 25 feet wide. So I could just build one thing in there. So I started working on Jim’s track. And I was also working on the Pebble Beach track.

But what year was that? That was 2010, 11, right around there. So it was early on, there was a lot going on because I was trying to grow the business and try to really kind of figure out what am I doing with this? You know, where do I want to go and how do I do this by myself? And Jimmy would still come around, but I had another guy that I was actually able to pay to work with me.

Jim mentioned something about possibly a Ford motor track. And at that time I couldn’t even imagine. I’m like, Let me just build these little tracks. And for me, it wasn’t little, it was like 10 by maybe 12. We shoehorned it into his basement. It was really cool. And he was really happy. But the actual launching point would have been when I went to Pebble Beach and I was able to set up in the retro automobile exhibit and Gooding Auction agreed to auction off the track so I could get my money back.

And then I could come home and such like that. [00:16:00] So the track went up for auction. But in the meantime, someone said, Hey, Jay Leno’s in the tent. And I said, Oh, that’s cool. And then His producer came over and he’s looking around and he goes, man, this is really cool. He goes, what’s your story? And so I just told him, I said, yeah, you know, I’m David Beattie.

I’m from Detroit. I made this track, blah, blah, blah. And kind of mentioned about my job a little bit. And he goes, Hey, I think Jay will dig this. So then, you know, Jay’s walking through. Hey, everybody. He comes over, he goes, whoa, what’s this? And so, you know, next thing he goes, let’s do a segment right then and there, you know, Jay and I are talking and he’s asking me about the track.

And I said, oh yeah, I’m building one for Jim Farley. And he’s like, oh yeah, Jim Farley, Ford motor. It was really exciting because. You know, I got to meet Jay and then there was other celebrities that I got to race slot cars with. And one of the coolest thing was they had a VIP dinner that I took this track to.

It was at some estate and I’m sitting there manning the track and, um, Sterling Moss came up to the track and I’m like, Oh man, this is awesome. I just saw him at the racetrack because I would go over there during the day, sneak away. And they were racing the historics. He got in an accident. So he was kind of in this wheelchair.

Someone was [00:17:00] helping him. So he came rolling up literally cause he’s in a wheelchair. I had his Mercedes going around. I think it’s when he raced at Targa Florio or something. He’s like, Oh, that’s my car. And then I just handed the controller to him. He was just sitting there squeezing it. It was just really a special moment.

One of the things that you can Google Sterling Moss racing slot cars, and they have this really cool black and white video of he and his wife laying on the floor and they’re racing slot cars. And his dad is carving the trophy and he’s talking about his love of slot cars and it’s about 10 minutes long.

He was very passionate about slot cars. That was really a highlight of that event. And the track sold for 29, 000 during the auction. So that gave me an idea of what these things were worth. And while I was there, I met people from Rob Report. And then in a blink of an eye, it was gift of the season and Rod report.

Just kind of like, Hey, David, you know, what can you offer us? And I’m like, well, I’m building this other track that I was taking to concourse here at Meadowbrook in Detroit. So much was happening, but before I knew it, I was building Jim Farley, a track [00:18:00] auto week magazine, a track Tom loans, reliable trucking up here.

Then as I finished up Jim’s track 2011, I got a call from a gentleman from Ford motor company and said, Hey, is this David Beattie? And I said, yeah, he goes, Hey, Jim Farley says you’re the best. Slot car track builder in the world. I said, okay, I’ll go with that. Yeah. I said, yeah. Okay. What’s going on? He goes, well, can you come down and see me?

And I went down to Ford when this guy’s office, he says, Hey, we’re, we’re launching Carroll Shelby. I don’t know if it was a 50th anniversary. There was some GT and can you build us a track and make us custom slot cars and such. And I said, sure. Not knowing how I was going to pull this off at that kind of level that they’re looking for with a nice shiny base and everything.

Yeah. Before I knew it, I was building Ford motor track and it went around to the North American auto show. But the real launching point would be pebble beach with the track. And the funny thing is when I was flying there, I met Bob Bondurant in the airport, you know? And he was sitting across from him looking at him like, man, you look familiar.

And he goes, Oh, I’m Bob Bondurant. And I said, Oh, I’m David Petey. Like, you know, who the [00:19:00] hell am I? It was really super cool.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, to use a metaphor, it sounds like you came out of the last corner and just slammed the plunger into the back of the controller. You accelerated so fast with an idea that you didn’t even think might even blossom.

And that’s absolutely incredible. And it’s super rare, especially in the modern times in the mid 2000s with everything that’s happened. And you’ve continued to perpetuate that over all these years. But I think we need to take a pit stop because you said you’re a big fan of Formula One. So I’m not going to ask you who’s your number one driver because you got Nigel Mansell on the wall behind you.

But I’ve heard you say in other interviews that you’re a big fan of WRC, which is a discipline of motorsport is near and dear to me as many fans of the show know. So I got to ask, favorite car driver and or era of world rally for me, Walter

David Beattie: roll with the Audi just because they were kind of out of control.

But when, when the, the Lancey Estrados and all that came out, you know, those are like formula one rally cars and they were just so fast, but you know, that era when Audi really took over. Yeah. The racing [00:20:00] scene, it’s the fastest cars. Those old videos of the rally racing and then racing through streets of South America, wherever they were cresting those hills and dropping in the pops and bangs out the exhaust.

I used to come home, go on YouTube to watch it. Then I bought the Duke videos, guys changing out the rear axle of a car on the side of the road during the middle of a race. And they didn’t know what they were going to do. And then a guy came by, a casual citizen came by with the same car. And he pulled over and the guy said, Oh, here, you can take my rear end out of my car.

And they put it in the rally car. I’m drawing a blank on the team, but I think it was a Rothman sponsored car. So the older rallies, late fifties, early sixties, into the seventies was kind of the era that I really enjoyed. And then back in the 2000s, you used to be able to watch WRC rally racing on TV. Be able to come home and see all the modern day races, Subaru and such.

And then, and then that went away. Colin McRae, unfortunate death. Do I have a favorite? Like Walter Roll, you know what I’m saying? But

Crew Chief Eric: yeah, that’s the, uh, group B period of rally. And then followed that up to your point, Colin McRae, you got Marco [00:21:00] Allain, Ran the Lancias, Delta HS. That was all group A. That was later.

I digress.

William Ross: For those of you to go watch the video, since you’re on the rally point of this, one track he is building currently for a client. That’s three tracks incorporates all kind of aspects of the rally. Cause you start on the one and you got it up in the mountains and the snow and a bunch of different things.

And it’s really neat. Then he’s got the middle section, which is the largest track of the three, all your greenery or like that. And it incorporates a lot of these cool aspects of like the mountains, Belvedere hotel and everything like that. And then he’s got the desert one right next to that. So it’s got all three disciplines in essence for the route, but the detail.

on it is just unbelievable in regards to what they get into and how they go about making the little pieces like a little toolbox on the desert one he’s got like little fire pits with little logs and everything like that and the trees and the bush and the brush going on and be just the detail that they get into on those i highly recommend watching the video because you’ll see what they get into and how they think of every little thing to make it so [00:22:00] realistic looking it’s it’s amazing that rally track

David Beattie: is the dakar rally eric that’s what that’s based on And the client, he actually has a brand new Dakar he wanted that rally represented.

Crew Chief Eric: And I appreciate William’s masterful segue into our next segment of the discussion, David. So let’s talk a little bit about the design and the build process. Obviously these are commission based. I’m sure there’s a few that brew in your head that for funsies, you probably want to put together on your own.

You’re like, now what do I do with this? But William brought up how detailed the tracks are and looking at the behind the scenes video, you can see all the different materials that you’re using, some really creative ideas. So what’s the build process like, say I come to you or actually my sister asked about this, she’d love to build a replica of VIR that would fit in her basement.

What would that process be like? From stem to stern,

David Beattie: she said, Hey, I’m going to build VAR. I’d say that’s fantastic track. We’d have a consultation call. How much space do you have? So we started with finding the parameters that we have to work in because we [00:23:00] can’t build something to scale because it’d have to be as big as VAR.

So I call it, we build them in the spirit of basically, I would be talking to her, to you about your space allowance. What era of racing did you enjoy there? Like if it’s sixties. And so that would start tuning me into the time period where I’d start to do in my mind thinking, okay, I understand if he had the oak tree turn, which I just thought was beautiful.

And I did incorporate that into 1 of my earlier tracks. I’m surprised they never put another tree there because without it, I don’t know what track that is. If you know what I mean, basically goes from a consultation call, getting to know what you’re looking for, what the size is, and then. As I work up a pricing, I would quote you like, okay, based on the size and scenic elements, your tracks going to be, let’s just say, 50, 000.

And then you would say, okay, let’s move forward. I’d say, okay, I need to, I need to design posit. And so with that, once I get that, then I sit down and I start to gather information. Yeah, books that I have on racing or YouTube [00:24:00] videos, and I’ll start to doodle a spirit of track and capturing turns and such.

And then I would get with my guy, Nick, who can take my doodles to the next level of doodles that William saw here that clients can actually frame. And then I would submit that to you to say, what do you think? And on there, it would show the call outs. The grandstands, pit areas, the trees, yoke tree turn.

And once you approve that, that part of it, then we take it to our three dimensional drawings, more engineering to show elevations and such. And then I would present that to you for your approval. So as the client now, you’re involved in the design process. It’s just not this blind thing that comes out the end.

You can see, I like that. I don’t like that. Hey, what about this? As we get through that, once there’s the final design that we’re showing you in 3D that you can spin around on the tube and see like, okay, I get this, get signed off, we get our first progress payment, and then we begin to build over six

William Ross: or eight month build period.

Someone might have heard that number price that he’s [00:25:00] stolen off. You have to understand that basically nothing is off the shelf. Everything is made by hand, even starting with not the base where it’s sitting on, but the base of the track. He starts with these solid. Um, blocks that can be 30, 40, 50, just with that, then he’s shaming it off.

The track itself is all hand done, all the details, everything. It’s all made by hand and by his guys and everything like that. Once you see how he goes about building and constructing these tracks, you get the sense of, Oh, wow. Okay. Because you’re not going to see another one like it. That’s for sure. But.

The detail that get into it, but you can see the value that’s there. Once you realize how this thing is built, because it’s just, it’s unbelievable.

Crew Chief Eric: And that’s down all the way to the track itself, to William’s point, you’re not using plastic track and then building around it. Like some DIYers might attempt to do.

You’re literally carving out the grooves that the cars will run in themselves.

David Beattie: Yes. Thank you, William, because I appreciate when people bring me back into it. how I do these things because I kind of give the cliff notes, you know, and to the point of like the scenic [00:26:00] elements, everything is made by hand.

Everything is looked at pictures and then we scale it down and we start making it to the track design. Once we take it from the CAD, we’re able to see all the elevation. So when we CNC cut them and we no longer hand routering them like we used to in the early days, and we did a lot of that. It’s more of an engineering interactive piece of art that by the time it’s done, you don’t really see all the internals.

You see the track and the beauty and the elevations and that miniature world that we’re creating, you know, from carving the foam to roll forming the Armco rails to painting the track surfaces. There’s just a lot of man hours structures. It’s just kind of crazy. If I’m building the Nürburgring and I’m doing the main straight building, yeah, you know, I’ve done that.

I’ve done, you know, the Monza big grandstand, but everything is thought well out and it’s all made by hand. And to your point, Eric, not buying things off the shelf, it’s not there and that would be boring.

Crew Chief Eric: So I would assume if you had a six lane track, be a lot harder to get the spirit of VIR or its footprint, unless you had a [00:27:00] massive amount of space, but maybe with a two lane track, you have a little bit more wiggle room to work in.

David Beattie: Absolutely. It’s kind of my trademark to do three lanes or less because once I do a four lane, I’m really trying to get the most linear feet racing length out of a track. So if I do three, it looks to scale with the buildings and such. And two, you can really get a lot of switchbacks and such. And with the threes, I’ve been able to capture turns and make some pretty cool tracks.

Crew Chief Eric: So you mentioned before having the opportunity to chat with legendary drivers like Sterling Moss, and you even mentioned that you get some input and perspective when you’re building these replicas from pro drivers that have driven on these circuits. Any other stories you want to share about your dealings with some of these pro drivers and their thoughts about your replica tracks?

Quick Vic, Vic

David Beattie: Elford is

Crew Chief Eric: a great

David Beattie: one. Yeah, I had this idea about doing a Porsche 917. And watching the videos in the early videos, Vic Alford racing at Lamar, you know, that really made an impression upon me. And so I don’t [00:28:00] know who gave me the introduction to him, but I reached out to him and I said, Hey, Vic, my name is David Beattie.

I’m going to do this 917 clamshells open and it can be seen on our site at www. slotmaster. com. And he said, well, I didn’t drive the Porsche Steve McQueen one, but I did drive. The long

Crew Chief Eric: tail

David Beattie: Martini car later. Yeah. Number four, Martini Rossi racing, Vic signed it. I said, well, I can do that version too. So we agreed that, okay, he’s going to let me use his name.

And first it was just kind of like, I just wanted to have a business, you know, like, Hey, look, I’d like you to put your name with this car. And I said, well, by the way, what was it like racing at Lamar? And what was it like racing at Monza? I said, I watched the video Grand Prix and I see the Monza rail. And I was like, So, you know, what’s that like?

He goes, Oh, David, crazy as hell. It’s stainless aluminum foil. I forget more about what he told me, but it was just like, it was hot in the cars. You really just had to have the concentration and the focus when racing at Target Florida. I mean, the guy raced everywhere. It was very interesting. He was a very [00:29:00] warm gentleman.

We kind of became friends and we just kind of talk about slot car tracks in real races. And from there, when Bobby Rahal commissioned a track, Bobby, he was interesting because, so I got to back up here. I get an email. Hey, I’m Zach Brown. I’m interested in you building me a track. Can you come down to my place?

And I’m like, who’s Zach Brown? So I Googled him. And at the time he had his JMI marketing, you know, and I said, okay. We were going back and forth and I said, well, well, what race tracks do you like? And he said, his favorites were Indy, Le Mans, Riverside, which is one of my favorites. Even though people say, well, it’s boring.

It’s not, man. It’s one of the coolest tracks ever were was, you know, Zach’s telling me, you know, okay, this is what I like. And I said, well, I can glide down. My brother in law has a plane, built a kid plane. I helped pull some of the wires in it, so I was a little bit nervous about flying with him, just because I worked on it.

So what happened was, it was a snowstorm here, and I called Zach, and I said, hey, I can’t make it. And Zach said, well, don’t worry about it. I’ll send you my jet. And I’m like, yeah, okay. You [00:30:00] know, and I just kind of blew it off. And then his assistant came back and said, yeah, please be to the Pentastar terminal at the airport.

Zach’s jet will pick you up at 10 a. m. So I’m like, wow, this is awesome. Who sends a jet for you? Build and slack our tracks. Flew down there, Carmel, Indiana. Went to Zach’s beautiful home and went downstairs and the whole house is finished and the door he opens is this frickin bomb shelter, you know, shit hangin from the ceiling and it’s just an unfinished room, you know?

Like the builders, when they left it, wires were hangin and no drywall, just studded walls and He goes, well, this is as much room as you got and it was only enough for him to fit like a 20 by 14 track and this weird angle. And he goes, I want you to stuff as much as you can in here. And all I want is 4 feet on this side.

So I’m like, okay, so we got these really kind of funky shape and he goes, don’t worry. Just build me the track. The room will be ready. I ended up building this track for him and he had a Super Bowl party and he had like the vice president of marketing from 7up and all these heavy hitters and Bobby Rahal was there.

[00:31:00] Like, oh, this is cool. In my mind, I’m thinking, okay, Bobby Rahal. Yeah, man, he’s going to want to track. And Zach would talk about his friends that he was telling the track about. There’s a simulator in the next room and I hear all these guys on it. You know, and it’s like, I’m like, what is going on? Cause everyone was getting stuck against the walls and, you know, in those simulators, they’re difficult.

The next thing I know, I hear like, well, well, well, it was just something. Symphony of shifting and breaking and such. And I went and looked and I go, wow, who’s in there? And so I’m going, oh, that’s Bobby Ray hall. And I’m like, oh man, this is awesome. And he was racing at mid Ohio. It was kind of his home track, I guess.

I he’s from Ohio. Right. Drive it blind. Yeah. So then I was excited now and I was in, I was in the slot car room, the track and everything, and Bobby came in and he’s like, oh my God, this thing is awesome. And he saw us guys racing around and I’ve already get something to eat before I buy this. And I’m like, oh, well.

It was kind of like networking and I met Bobby and, you know, Zach was there. He was all proud of everything. I’m driving home and I’m kind of all out of builds and this is kind of [00:32:00] the ups and downs of the business world. I didn’t have any tracks, you know, in the queue, I was finishing some up, but nothing new.

And also I got this call as I’m driving back and, you know, it’s like, Hey Dave, it’s Bobby. I want you to build me a track. I said, you know, what are you interested in? And he’s like, I want to road America. Can you be in Chicago tomorrow? And I’m like, I’m thinking to myself tomorrow, man, I’m driving from Indiana to Detroit.

I just want to go home. You know, so I said, you turn, how about Monday? He’s like, okay, went to his place. He had a super cool place. He gave me a bunch of stacks from his racing career of the tracks, the programs. He just gave a lot of insight into what I was building for him. And normally my tracks start out low in the front and then plateau.

So you’re watching the cars go up and about. And Bobby’s like, no, I don’t want that. I want to just like road America where the beginning of the track is high. And then as they go out onto the course, it goes lower. And so Bobby was able to give me a lot of insight into that. And he had a party too. And I went to that party and met Don Devine, Emerson Fittipaldi, [00:33:00] Adrian Fernandez.

I built a track for, and just people who were kind of in the racing industry for quite a while.

William Ross: Wasn’t Adrian the one that was like. Super,

David Beattie: super particular. Yeah. Adrian reached out to me and he said, Hey David, I’d like you to build a track. He’s got a killer place. And it’s on the seventh floor of this office building down in Miami.

And he says, I want you to build me something very unique. And I’m very, very particular. And I thought, okay, well, everyone’s kind of particular, you know, that’s okay. I talked to Zach. I said, Hey, Adrian’s looking to get a track. And he’s like, oh, no, he’s a solid guy. You know, basically everyone knows Zach Brown.

That’s what I found out in the racing world. So Adrian and I hit it off. I made this track with drawers with leather inlays, and you know, you could put the cars in, and it was just, it was like a big jewelry box slot car track. And this was going in his man cave where he actually has one of his Indy cars hanging on the wall, which is super cool.

We built the track and we got it done and Adrian goes, thanks. You know, I, I, you know, I know I can be pretty particular. I said, Oh yes, you are very particular. And he just kind of [00:34:00] smiled and just a great experience trying to meet their expectations as drivers and wanting to have fun. And, you know, he just loved the slot car track for me.

Sometimes I feel like, well, I kind of get bored with this, but I think I’m so close to it every day that I don’t get that feeling. Like I did when I first saw my friend, Jimmy’s track, like, man, I want to come back every day. Yeah, geez. You know, from the racing world to the rock and roll world with Brian Setzer from the stray cats, he reached out to me, called me.

He goes, yeah, man, I’m interested, you know, in a slot car track. And I said, well, let me get this out of the way first. Are you Brian Setzer of these stray cats? And he goes, yeah, yeah, that’s me. So

William Ross: I had to go,

David Beattie: okay, I said, yeah, you know, big fan, you know, rock this town and things. And, you know, he went on to say about when he was younger, he and his brother used to race lock cars and he wanted to get a track for his home studio.

You know, you get to know these guys and you’re working with them over the course of the build and then you deliver it and you know, if they need things, they’ll reach out to me and things like that. The building of the track for Brian was [00:35:00] really cool.

Crew Chief Eric: My back’s starting to hurt from having to pick up all these names.

Going back to the scenario that we pose there, you’re building a replica of VIR. It is going to be a substantial amount of money. There’s a lot of time and care and effort put into making a replica of whatever it is. Even if you’re creating a fantasy track, maybe your version of National Corvette, where it’s a combination of other tracks to make that test track.

Is there a potential for people to go try a Slot Mods track or see one in person? Are there places that have them in public or that hold events on a Slot Mods track where somebody could basically try before they buy? The

David Beattie: only place that I know of, the LeMay Museum up in Washington, we built the track for them for their grand opening.

So the track is set up. Still there and the public can go there, can pay a donation of $5. You get to race on the super cold track that has parts of Road America, parts of Daytona, it’s all American tracks that are on there right now. Currently we built a track for Hot Wheels and it’s over in Abu [00:36:00] Dhabi at a mission play.

It’s like an indoor amusement park. So if you have the money and the means, you can go over to Abu Dhabi and race there. You know, unfortunately, there aren’t any in a real public setting here in the States. They go in private collections, car collections that people aren’t going to allow you in. Like Bobby Rahal’s not going to allow you in to race at his house.

You know, Zach Brown, he loved his track so much when he moved to England, we moved it over there and moved it. We had to go back to England twice and move it. You got a raise or something. He went from COO to something else, a general manager. Unfortunately, Eric, there’s not any tracks that the public can go race on.

And I, and I think it’s a shame. I would interject

William Ross: though, and I’ll chalk this up to today’s memory. Now, obviously it’s not a public place, but you can’t go there. To the facility when they have some events, they have some events that won’t probably get paid, but he is doing some stuff for the M1 concourse.

Thank you, William, that you will have the ability to test out and try, but not until the end of like 2025 though. Right. That’s

David Beattie: correct. M1 [00:37:00] concourse X center experience. They’re going to have two 10 by 20 tracks, one representing all European tracks. And then the other one, which is kind of interesting is tells the history of Pontiac triangle where the M1 course.

is located. It’s super cool. So the public will be able to go to Xcenter, uh, M1 concourse, and we’ll be putting that out as we get closer to it.

Crew Chief Eric: Let’s go back to our DIYers. Maybe we’ve got some slot car tracks. Collecting dust in a closet somewhere. I got to get back to that. You know, I’ve always wanted to build something or maybe you’re getting back into the modeling hobby, right?

Because that’s also part of this is like you said, not just the track layout, but the scenery and all the things that go with it. And there’s a lot of very creative people out there, especially on social media and the things that they can do with, you know, sadly Lego or with trains and how you combine all these different mediums together and things like that.

Maybe some tips and tricks from the master about what you can do with that off the shelf kit. It’s got that patina now. And you want to bring it out and do something with,

David Beattie: well, you know, [00:38:00] what I would recommend is if you really want to get back into it and you have an old track and you bring it out in today’s market, you can actually go out and buy a really nice track.

That’s going to run. And you’re not going to spend so much time getting that up to running. Carrera is very affordable and fun. Great slot car company. Have a great relationship with you. So those out there who are looking to get into the hobby, you know, on YouTube, there’s many guys out there showing their miniature modeling skills.

You can go to our website and look at what we’ve recreated. And we don’t really ever get into, I mean, there’s the video it’s called painting coconuts. Which Audi did a feature film short on me that won a pleo in the advertising world, which I didn’t expect to happen. But it shows me carving foam and kind of talking about how we do things here.

But when people say to me, Hey, I want to get back into slack car racing. I’ll say, you know, Carrera and Scalelectric makes a really good set and you can get these online. But then I say you can lay your track out, get a 4 by 8 sheet of foam, outline your track shape, carve [00:39:00] down, remove that, inset your track in there, and then start carving around the foam to get those reliefs of the berms and the side things, and then start scraping the topography.

It all depends on what the person’s skill level is. And, you know, if you want to get back into the hobby, and you want to pull out your old stuff, which is super cool, I collect vintage slot car sets. So I got things that still have the little trees in the box, and you can set up a little grandstand, little pit building.

I would suggest, Refurbing your own little set or looking at how to make your own set, which can be a good father and son kind of thing with the wood and the routering, by all means, just get back into the hobby, and there’s a lot of information out there on YouTube about building your tracks and scenic elements.

Crew Chief Eric: When you started out, Jimmy was saying, well, you only got a hammer and a screwdriver. That’s it for tools. What are the top five tools that a DIY er should have in their toolbox if they’re going to build their own set?

David Beattie: Let’s see, hand router, table saw, drills, break screw machine for, you know, cutting all the supports.

But basically if you [00:40:00] go out and you can go to Lowe’s or Home Depot’s, get yourself three quarter inch MDF and you can make a template. And there’s plenty of videos on how to make a wooden slot car track, but MDF board for the track surface. There’s magnetic braid that you can get through like professor motor.

That is the rails that’ll run. You can get a transformer from Professor Motor. So you can get all these items from a slot car supplier and you can make your own track and you can make it inexpensively. You can make your own little flat track that you put on a ping pong table. That’s a great place to start.

Even if you’d put the track on the ping pong table, that’s plastic. You know, you need some power tools. You need a router to route all the slots, but you don’t really use hammers. So, you know, you use drills and power screwdrivers and, you know, that kind of stuff. And then paint it with outdoor flat latex gray or black.

And then I come through with cans of Rust Oleum and I blend colors to make it look like pavement. I made the biggest mistake when I made my track, I painted it all. And Jimmy’s like, Oh, you got to spray it with doll coat. And I’m like, okay. And you know, that stuff’s [00:41:00] like. Death, you know, when you sprayed, it’s like, you know, from the 10 commandments when the plague came in, you know, and, you know, I didn’t put any blood around the door.

My wife came home and she’s like, what the hell is that smell? It was coming up to the air ducts and it was bad. I mean, I’m glad the pilot on the water heater. You didn’t get it. You know, just, you know, Blue at my house, but I’ve had people call me and say, Hey, I want to make a track for myself. Can you help me now listeners out there?

I am all about helping people out and I have to help people out. I’ve sold some tracks at cost, if not below, just because their passion for it and their situation. It isn’t about. The money. This is a business. I have guys I depend on. And when I first got married, my wife’s like, how can you live out of the ATM?

Like, I had all these receipts, you know, 20 bucks. I just said, I don’t know. You know, so she straightened me out. But sometimes it gets lost in doing podcast and interviews that people talk about the celebrities and we talk about where I’ve been with the tracks and this and that. But at the end of the day, What I got out of slot car racing [00:42:00] was I could sit down in my basement and just tune a car and with my lap timing system, trying to shave off a hundredth of a second, tenth of a second, or whatever that minimal thing was by sanding the tires, painting the front tires.

Here’s a trick. You paint the front tires with nail polish. So when they go around the turns, it cut backs the resistance. So the hard rubber isn’t pushing against the track. And so there’s just things like that, that the guys who really race know. All these tricks, but just to be able to go down there and go, Oh yeah, I got a lower lap time.

I’d spend three hours doing that. I’d get out of bed at three in the morning. Cause I couldn’t sleep. And I’d go downstairs and my wife would say, here’s, you know, and I had 121 foot linear slack our track and to paint the picture for you was a Sunday morning. It was about 56 degrees out track conditions were slightly dusty and I got my Rothman’s a nine 56.

Normal lap times to get around my track were like around 22 to 23 seconds. These are cars that are weighted. There’s [00:43:00] no magnets. You really had to have it tuned with silicone tires and the right magnets on there. So, I spent three hours and I went from an average lap speed of 23 seconds. to 19. 87 and I was racing on the edge and the rear tires were chattering around the turns and then when it was done I was exhausted but I was like yes because no one could ever beat that record on my track but I spent the time sanding the tires and just really being engrossed in it.

It was the greatest escape.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, I’m glad we went here because our last segment of the conversation was really going to be about the cars. Let’s walk back just a second. You specialize in 132nd scale cars, but you also mentioned in the old days, the 124th scale, but there’s also the HO scale cars. So when you look at, again, the DIY at home, Maybe go into the local hobby shop and they want to buy a set off the shelf to start with just to get the foundation going, or maybe they got that vintage set in the closet.

Your heart leans one 32nd, but some pros and cons of the other two scales

David Beattie: pros [00:44:00] of one 24th. They look super cool. They’re big. The details really great. The cons are they’re heavy and when you’re racing them, you really got to have a lot of fun. track length. And when they go around the turns on a plastic track, they’ll kind of pull the track a little bit.

The weight going through a turn. And so you’re always pushing the track sections together. The way to them was mostly the con of it. Unless you’re racing 1 24th scale, they look like a flying wedge and they’re super fast. That’s a whole nother level. But for the person getting back into it, I wouldn’t really recommend 1 24th scale.

I would just say I would stay away from 1 24th because there’s not enough variety of cars available. HO I think are great. They’re a scale that, you know, younger, I had a, had a track, but it didn’t really grow too fond of it because the cars were little. I thought they went too fast and it wasn’t realistic enough.

I mean, I’m going to be building my first HO track this year for a gentleman. He built this big house, of course, and he’s got this beautiful fireplace and on the side of it he has this. I’ll call it a table, but it’s four by [00:45:00] eight. He wants to put a track, have us recreate his home in such in the Colorado area.

I’m always up for a challenge. So we’ve been playing around with HO cars and everything. And I think they’re really cool. They’re just too small and they’re really fast. But I think for young kids, they can really enjoy it because they can set up a track in their bedroom and they got enough space to set up an HO track versus 132nd where you need a little bit more room and 124th where you need much more room.

So each scale has its pros and cons, but 132nd, the manufacturers are just making such high quality models. And the detail is just any scale, any model. Race them because you’re going to enjoy them.

Crew Chief Eric: So you mentioned your relationship with Carrera. That’s only one of the brands, you know, there’s a scale electrics.

There’s a CX there’s fly. There’s so many out there. Are there also, just like we’re talking about the track sizes, are there good, bad, and indifferent? You mentioned weighted cars versus magnetic cars. What would you suggest to a first timer or somebody coming back into the hobby? What should they be looking at, [00:46:00] or is there a compromise between quality and price?

What’s on your list when you’re selecting a car, especially to race?

David Beattie: If I’m going to race, slot it cars, slot it brand. Maurizio Ferrari, who’s not related to the family. He has like, I’ll call it a boutique business, but he’s one of the finest brands of slot cars in the world. And I’m talking about cars you can buy off a website.

NSR makes Wonderfully fast, beautiful slot cars. They’re almost too fast for my tracks because mine, I call it miniature model racing where you’re going to go fast, but you’re not going blistering fast. But NSR is a very fast car and in like South America and in Europe, they’ll have big races where they have eight lane tracks.

It’s plastic and they race these on there. If you’re going to get into the hobby, you’re going to go buy a track. Carrera makes wonderful tracks. They’re going to last a long time. The width of the track is more to scale. The quality of the pebble finish, let’s say, retraction is really good. And their magnetic downforce between the amount of steel they have in their tracks, because the cars [00:47:00] come with magnets, all modern day slot cars come with magnets that you’re buying out of the box.

You can buy a track. You’re going to spend maybe 140 to 250 on a Scalelectrics. Scalelectrics makes great cars. That’s what I give with my tracks because they run great out of the box and they run really well on wood. Ferrara pros and cons. Beautiful cars. The guide pins on them for a wooden track, they’re too thick.

And the Germans, bless their heart, they always over engineer things. They could have left the guides alone like they were 10 years ago. But you know, everyone wants to keep improving. But once you have one of those tracks, you can go back to your local hobby shop, which I would. Prefer people do, they’ll have slot cars, singular ones that you can buy from Lola’s to Mercedes to 911s to, you know, LMP cars from the 60s to current day models are available and they have the same quality as a die cast car.

When you’re looking at it, you’re not going to really get into racing with magnets unless you’re really diehard. Now the patients keep putting your car on while you learn how to take a turn at the proper speed. [00:48:00] I can race with or without magnets and I can be competitive with somebody on one of my tracks who has magnets and I’m running without them because I know where to let up in the turns.

And

Crew Chief Eric: I think it’s super cool. Like I geek out on this kind of stuff and I got out of the hobby. My sister’s still sort of in it. Like I was saying, you know, she wants to build BIR and stuff like that. So that’s why I ask. It’s like every once in a while she teases me. She’s like, Oh, I’m going to set up the track and we should come over and race like in the old days.

And I’m like, you know, that maybe I should buy a new car. What’s the Technology now, 20 plus years later. I don’t know. You know, I got to check it out.

David Beattie: You know, one of the things that is new is digital racing and that can be a lot of fun. And I was really against it early on when I had my career set, but then Carrera with the digital racing, you and your sister, you could buy plastic track and make a closest replica to VR as possible, but you can raise six cars on.

And do lane changing and you can go down there and race by yourself and put on the ghost cars. You’re single and you’re racing around these other cars that are automatically breaking. And first time I did that, I [00:49:00] got kind of dizzy because I was watching all these cars going up. I’m controlling mine, but with the lane changing, it’s really fun.

And so if you have limited space, And you have, let’s say, a couple of buddies that want to come over and race and not just stand there and watch two people race. A digitalist, they can all get into it. And I gifted my twin a track last year. Went over there and I surprised him and we built this track.

He’s like, I don’t know what I’m doing. I go, just sit back and watch. And so, I was just, I kept reconfiguring this thing. thing and it was a digital track and it’s just a blast. So he’s in a car group. He has a 57 Chevy. He’s got a model a, and he’s in this group called the taints is their car club.

And they’re all crazy bastards, but they all got super cool cars. But they go over his house and they race on Friday nights, but you can race four to six people, you know, that’s something to think about. But as far as technology, slot cars are the quality of the models. The construction is better. They operate the same.

They go fast, but there’s [00:50:00] just a bigger variety of the models themselves.

Crew Chief Eric: But it all really comes down to the tires at the end of the day, like you were saying, right? So like my old slot cars might benefit from new rubber technology like any old race car would. Put a brand new set of Hoosiers on it versus bias plies from the 60s.

It’s going to handle completely different without changing anything. So is the same true of the slot cars? Is the tire technology really improved?

David Beattie: Out of the box? I mean, the tires. You know, when they’re putting them together in China, that’s basically where they come from, unless you’re getting your NSRs, you know, and they’re making them over there in Italy and they’re truing the tires and everything, you know, when you pull it out of the box, it’s going to go on the track and it’s going to run great.

Similar to slotted. If you’re getting scale electrics. And Carrera, you know, they’re being made over, you know, in China, they’re being assembled, like people aren’t really passionate. Sometimes the chassis are screwed down really tight. So when I get a slot car, I’ll take it apart. I’ll make sure the gears are lined up and the tires are pressed.

First thing I do is I get rid of the stock tires and I put on silicone tires. And you can get those from a major slot car supplier, [00:51:00] be it Professor Motors or Electric Dreams, and that silicone will immediately give you better handling of the car, better traction through the corners, you know, a nice round ride and such.

So I take it apart. I’ll super glue any of the inside pieces. So nothing’s rattling just. tighten the screws, but then once I tighten them up, I’ll back all the screws out. So the chassis and the body’s got a little bit of a waiver. So when I go through the turns, it’s more like a suspension instead of just a stiff thing.

So you want it to give a little bit, there is a lot of tuning that you can do to cars. I mean, you can go online and you can upgrade the motors from 20, 000 RPMs to 25 to 30 to 40 red, green, blue motors, and they’ll fly and they’re fantastic. So it depends. You can take them out of the box and race them and have fun, or you can really get into tuning each car you get.

And that’s what I really got into for a long time. But now like I’ll get cars and I’ll give them to my slot car guy and go here, tune this for me, or I’ll call, you know, Oliver, I’ll go on his site and I’ll say, Hey, I see all these cars. I want these, but I want you to put these engines in [00:52:00] them, these tires, they’ll come to me and there’ll be pre tuned and there’ll be hot cars set up for me to run.

Maybe that’s one of the benefits I have of being the slot mods guy, but there’s so much available out there for slot car enthusiasts. You can go online. I don’t like to say Amazon, but you can find some stuff on Amazon, but support your local hobby dealer, go to garage sales, you know, go to a Facebook marketplace and you can pick this stuff up.

People are just getting rid of it. You know, they’ve only want 10 for it. But you know, once you get it home and clean it up, it’s worth hundreds for yourself, the amount of enjoyment you’re going to get out of it.

Crew Chief Eric: You’ve mentioned before, and even on the behind the scenes video with William about the custom cars that you guys make.

So how does that work? Because we had Rick shod, quote unquote, the Pope of plastic on a while back. And he talks about the recreations that he makes and how he modifies the cars. And he’s famous for doing all sorts of very intricate and realistic recreations, especially race cars. So are you guys basically taking, let’s say a chassis?

Like you just said, I’m going to Facebook marketplace, I’m going to eBay and I’m buying up the [00:53:00] chassis and then building bodies on top of them. Are you building your own thing? Forms, are you taking other sets apart? Like what constitutes a custom slot car?

David Beattie: For what we do when I say like we do custom slot cars, when we did the Audi project, they were launching the a four a seven.

So it doesn’t exist in a slot car. So we had those 3d printed and we were able to buy chassis that had adjustable facing from the front of the back tire. There’s screws and you can lengthen the chassis or close it in to fit within the wheel wells. So what we’re doing here, like we made a hundred Fiat, uh, what, what, what is that little Fiat?

The 500

Crew Chief Eric: Cinquecento?

David Beattie: Yeah. So we made a hundred of those for when we did the Lingotto Fiat factory and the cars were racing on the roof. But basically what we’re doing for those, we got sneaky, I’ll call it sneaky. We got one 43rd scale bodies and we printed the Fiat bodies because then they look to scale and they fit on those cars.

You know, I have a guy here, Nick, who’s wonderful and he’s got a great head of hair, right, William? Yeah. That guy’s got the best hair. You got to see

William Ross: it in the video. [00:54:00] Outstanding.

David Beattie: Yeah. Well, basically what we’re doing, like we’ll take a real world car, a slot car and Nick can design it in 3d CAD and everything, and then we’ll 3d print it.

And then we’ll fit it up to a chassis that is adjustable. That’s the extent versus the super. Talented guys that can modify cars and just call it hand weld brass chassis where there’s all these lines and everything. And I’m like, how did you do this? And they’re miniature works of art. I mean, they really are.

We don’t tend to get into that when I say that we do custom slot cars. We’ve done slot car shopping carts, you know, and they raced around the track and we’ve done Mercedes vans. We’ve done the Fiats. And right now, uh, William was here and the project we’re working on, we’re going to be making custom Gammond Porsche 356 slot cars.

We’re going to be designing those right from Nick’s head, like looking at the math and making those and possibly 3D printing the chassis. So that’s going to be a little bit more into pushing us beyond what we’re normally doing and kind of kit bashing by using the 3D printing. [00:55:00] 3D printing has come a long way.

And so that’s kind of what we do on the custom end. But there’s guys out there that are just building phenomenal slot cars. You don’t even want to race them. I mean, they’re that beautiful in the amount of detail.

Crew Chief Eric: So we’ve talked about tips and tricks for building the tracks for acquiring your cars and tires and things like that.

But I guess the last piece is some of us get frustrated. Like you said, there’s that patience factor. You’re there for three hours, trying to set your best lap time on the track with your timers and all that. When you get back into the hobby again, what are some ways to not fly off the track? Are there exercises you got to do with your finger, your trigger finger?

Like what are some of your tips and tricks for being a better racer and enjoying the experience of slot car racing more, especially if you’re getting back into it or getting into it for the first time?

David Beattie: I always say, pretend you’re in the car. And you wouldn’t go into a turn at full speed. So throttle control on the trigger, that’s your gas pedal, you know, go around slowly, but then as you start to build confidence, no, to let up before you go into a turn, [00:56:00] like two feet or one feet into it.

So you can flow through the apex. It’s more about start out slow, then build up your confidence level. Because people say, man, when I had a stock car track, they always went off in the first turn. It’s like, well, you don’t squeeze it. You got to, again, put yourself in the car and think about how you would be Braking and actually driving to get young Children.

And what we do, we send these tracks out to shows. You can buy magnets attached to the bottom of the car to give you really good down for us. You can put magnets on there are so strong. I can pull 12 volts full power and it will never come off. It’s a business, you know, but I like it to be a little bit of a challenge that, you know, there’s a consequence.

You need to learn how to drive. Start off slowly, pretend you’re in the car and just build up your feel for it. It’s sort of like when you get on the track, you got to warm up

Crew Chief Eric: your tires, your brakes, and your brain. Exactly.

David Beattie: You know, I was out at Thermal Raceway. I don’t know if you’re familiar with the Thermal Club.

You know, they take you around a few times. We were in BMWs and I’m like, Oh yeah, I got this. In the lead driver, you’re following me saying, David, get off my ass, you know, because I’m kind of [00:57:00] competitive. And I, you know, I’m not a race car driver or anything like that. So then they let you have your own track time.

And I was getting real confident. And I came up over this crest and it went into these S’s and I just came over too hot and I started going off in the gravel. It scared the shit out of me. And then I was like, Whoa, that didn’t like automatically think about slot car racing. But it was just kind of like follow the lines, you know, in the apex and everything and build up your confidence.

And then you can really turn in some hot laps just by getting to work. The controller, just be patient, enjoy it. It’s fun. People love to crash. Yeah. You know, that’s one thing I found out, not the guys on the race nights. They don’t like to crash cause they got their really nice cars and stuff, but it’s fun, it’s a hobby guys.

Take it real serious. That’s fine too. There’s those groups. I say, get kids started young with a small track and then get them involved and get them on a bigger track and turn them on to, um, videos on YouTube. Or, you know, we don’t make enough videos. We’re too busy building these tracks.

Crew Chief Eric: So Dave, what’s next for slot mods?

David Beattie: Well, currently, right now, I’m [00:58:00] deciding to release these new half scale Porsche 917s. They’re art cars, which would be a fiberglass shell, which would be airbrushed, hand painted, with rubber wheels and everything, and it would be similar to the 917 that we did. You flip a latch, the track opens up, and then there’s a miniature Le Mans raceway in there, in 143rd scale.

Instead of on 132nd, you could actually have in your office thing would be about five feet long, maybe seven feet long, three feet wide, 917 that opens up and it’s got a miniature raceway in it and you can race slot cars. So when you’re not racing it, you just click a button and it closes. Looking to bring to market in 2025.

There’ll be limited editions. There’ll be the Steve McQueen number 20, the winning Salzburg Porsche, the red with the white livery. You know, we can talk rally, but I just got commissioned to build one of my largest builds, which is the recreation of Targa Florio and Miglia. Miglia. It’s going to be pretty incredible with those Italian villages and stuff, and it’s quite a project.

And the gentleman says to me, I want you to make your build of a lifetime, your [00:59:00] most magnificent, you know, and I said, well, this is the price. He goes, Oh, I wasn’t thinking it would be that much. And I said, well, we can take things away. And he goes, Oh no, I want it all. And I’m like, okay, well, it’s salesmanship, but there has to be a limit because we only have so much time to build these and we want to make each one special.

And that takes a lot out of me as an artist to make sure that it looks right. And it’s not that I’m just mailing it in. Because people are making a big investment in me and with my guys and we really do want to deliver and bring a lot of happiness to people and joy.

Crew Chief Eric: We’ve reached that point of the episode where I like to ask our guests to share any shout out promotions or anything else we haven’t covered thus far.

William Ross: Dave left out something there in the beginning when he was kind of getting going and starting this. Tabletop hockey games he builds. Not just talking these old chinky, old tin metal things. Primo, I mean outstanding. He’s got his little thing, you know, it’s a slobbery, but he does some other things too and got an unbelievable collection of old stuff sitting up in his rafters too at his shop.

But the one funny [01:00:00] thing was you were walking through what in the back, you know, you would think that as busy as he, all these different projects going on. Cause me and him talked about this. He’s at the front, he’s in the middle and he’s at the end of the whole process. Wearing all these different hats, so to speak.

But he finds the time to go do his own thing for everything. He’s building his own little track for himself. He’s like, I’m just doing this for me. Really neat. You can see the passion there that he still has for this. And this is the enjoyment. He’s like, this is my, I’m building this for myself. It’s fantastic to see what he puts into it.

And it’s going to be really cool to see technology advances, whatnot. He, you know, new techniques, everything like that. Better and better and better. I can’t wait to see what comes up out in like five years, what he’s going to be able to come out with. Cause he’s going to be unbelievable.

David Beattie: Well, thank you, William.

And the tabletop hockey was a real passion of mine from childhood. And Eric, I have over 200 vintage tabletop hockey games just above my head. And it inspired me to build my own custom tabletop hockey. And I kind of did it out of spike because a guy in New York sold me a game and he sent it with it cracked and I wanted my money and he’s like, well, you wanted me to rush it.

And I’m like, [01:01:00] oh yeah, I’ll show you. And I’m not boasting. I built my games and it got to be the gift of the year and cigar aficionado. I printed out the article and I sent it to him on the Christmas card. And I was like, you know,

Crew Chief Brad: yeah,

David Beattie: there you go, buddy. Anger can really kind of motivate me, but you know, it’s kind of funny because the tabletop hockey as a kid and racing slot cars and Christmas morning, it’s all those kinds of things that I enjoy.

And, you know, the business side of it, it can take the shine off of what we do, but then when we deliver these things to people and their eyes light up and. You know, there’s a gentleman, we built him some point Raceway and he raised his nine 11 there and we built this for him and he was over the moon.

He’s like, yeah, all my buddies come over. We race now every Thursday night and they bring their wives. And when I heard that, it just, it made me feel so good. And then they sent me a summit point t shirt and you bring these things into people’s lives because they’re not watching TV, you know, they’re having fun with their friends and they’re racing.

And, you know, it’s just like you setting up the track with [01:02:00] your sister. I mean, I think you should do it. I think you should come to Detroit. You and William should come up when we get these three massive tracks done. But other than that, we’re really busy with just building these really incredible one offs for clients.

And for the listeners out there in 2025, William and I are going to work together in bringing a track for a donation to raise some funds for his charities, a charity of his choice, because I’m at a point where I really want to give back in any way I can. And that’s pretty much what’s

Crew Chief Eric: going on. David’s creations have been featured in publications across the globe, including Car and Driver, Sports Illustrated, and CNBC.

And he has made appearances on Jay Leno’s Garage, the Today Show, Discovery Channel, the BBC, Galileo, and multiple enthusiast podcasts, including this one. Inspired by legendary circuits from around the world, Slot Mods creates wooden 1 32nd scale megatracks. And every inch of these raceways, from the corkscrews to the chicanes, from the paddocks to the pits, right down to the mounting bolts on the aluminum guardrails, is handmade with incredible [01:03:00] precision and built to withstand years of intense racing.

If you’d like to get your very own bespoke slot car track, be sure to check out www. slotmods. com. Slot mods. com and learn more or follow them on social at slot underscore mods, underscore raceways on Instagram and YouTube at slot mods, raceways on Facebook. And you can also connect with David via LinkedIn.

And with that, David, I can’t thank you enough for coming on break fix and reigniting a passion for many of us collecting patina in a corner. Some are going, man, I got to bust that slot card track out and turn some laps again. It’s a great way to introduce a younger crowd of petrol heads into the many disciplines of motorsport that we all enjoy.

And I’m all for perpetuating the continuation of motorsports out there in the world. So thank you for what you’re doing and thank you for being a unique part of the autosphere.

David Beattie: Well, thank you, Eric and William for having me on. Sometimes I think that everyone knows about slot cars, so. A show like this helps reintroduce to people who maybe [01:04:00] forgot that they can get back into the hobby of slot cars and they can do something with their kid while the kid’s plugged in on the couch to Nintendo.

From my experience, all little kids love to race slot cars with each other and with their parents. So it’s really a great interaction, be it the plastic track, be it a slot mods track. What you guys are doing is amazing for hobbyists, not only in the slot cars, but your other followers and interest in shows that you’ve shared.

Crew Chief Eric: You know, I feel like a kid again. I love it.

David Beattie: Yeah. You know, right on. Thanks for having me on.

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Highlights

Skip ahead if you must… Here’s the highlights from this episode you might be most interested in and their corresponding time stamps.

  • 00:00 Introduction to Break/Fix Podcast
  • 00:27 Meet David Beattie: Founder of Slot Mods
  • 00:45 David’s Early Life and Motorsports Passion
  • 00:57 The Influence of McLaren and Family
  • 01:26 From Childhood to Slot Car Enthusiast
  • 04:47 Reconnecting with Slot Car Racing
  • 06:15 The Birth of Slot Mods
  • 09:30 Building the First Custom Tracks
  • 13:43 Expanding the Business and Early Success
  • 16:01 Meeting Celebrities and Gaining Recognition
  • 22:16 Designing and Building Custom Tracks
  • 27:28 Collaborations with Pro Drivers
  • 29:12 Zak Brown and Bobby Rahal Stories
  • 31:36 Exciting Beginnings with Bobby
  • 32:11 Building Tracks for Racing Legends
  • 34:21 From Racing to Rock and Roll
  • 35:22 Public Slot Car Tracks and Challenges
  • 37:20 DIY Slot Car Track Tips
  • 43:35 Choosing the Right Slot Car Scale
  • 52:31 Custom Slot Cars and 3D Printing
  • 57:55 Future Projects and Personal Passions
  • 01:02:28 Final Thoughts and Shoutouts

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Limited Edition ART CARS by SLOT MODS & HOT SHOE STUDIOS

Slot Mods is collaborating with Tony Lauro’s Hot Shoe Studios, offering limited-edition 1/2 scale cars from one of the greatest eras of racing. Each Art Car is masterfully built on a hand-crafted tubular chassis underpinning a hand-painted exterior shell. Just release the latch to open the body and reveal the ultimate slot car racing experience!

The 1/2 scale 917K is a faithful reproduction with composite body panels true to its original shape. Specifications: original-style center lock wheels, race-worn tires, working headlights and taillights, and inside… a beautiful 1:43 scale slot car wooden raceway, featuring hand-crafted period-correct signs, banners, aluminum Armco railing, trees and structures. But we couldn’t stop there. Also available from this historical grid, we’re offering the legendary Ferrari 330P4. Learn More.

Hot Wheels track with Ferrari’s by Slot Mods Raceways

Check out one of the tracks from Slot Mods Raceways that was mentioned on this episode! Conceived to provide the ultimate HotWheels experience, this impressive 9′ x 12′ setup is ideally suited for any location. This track can now be seen and raced on in a track in the middle east! Learn More.

If you’d like to get your very own bespoke slot car track, be sure to check out www.slotmods.com and learn more or follow them on social @slot_mods_raceways on Instagram and YouTube, @SlotModsRaceways on Facebook, and you can also connect with David via LinkedIn! 

In his late 40s, David received a slot car set from his wife – a humble 1:43 scale track from a Hammacher Schlemmer catalog. Disappointed at first, he dove headfirst into the hobby, eventually building a massive plastic track in his basement and racing with neighbors and brothers.

That rekindled passion led him to meet Jimmy Adder, a local slot car enthusiast with a wooden track in Dearborn. With Jimmy’s mentorship and the help of laid-off auto workers, David built his first large-scale wooden track – “Legends” – in his basement. It wasn’t long before he realized this could be more than a hobby.


The First Sale and the Big Break

David’s first sale came from a chance encounter at a hobby shop. A customer saw his track and asked for a custom build. David quoted $4,000 – a number that felt surreal at the time. That track, delivered in a Dodge Caravan, marked the beginning of Slot Mods.

Then came Pebble Beach. Garage Style Magazine invited David to build a track for the concours event. He borrowed $10,000, built a replica of the Pebble Beach Raceway, and auctioned it off for $29,000. Jay Leno stopped by the tent, filmed a segment, and Sterling Moss raced on the track – a surreal moment for any motorsport fan.

From there, Slot Mods took off. Jim Farley, then Ford’s global marketing president (now CEO), commissioned a Laguna Seca track. Ford hired David to build a commemorative Shelby GT track for the North American Auto Show. AutoWeek, Reliable Carriers, and other big names followed.

Each track is a handcrafted masterpiece, built in the spirit of the original circuit. David’s process includes consultation calls, hand-drawn sketches, 3D renderings, and months of meticulous construction. Nothing is off-the-shelf – every tree, toolbox, and fire pit is custom-made.

Just a few of the 1/32 slot cars in Crew Chief Eric’s collection discussed on the Behind the Scenes version of the episode (available above) on Patreon.

David’s love for motorsports spans Formula One, NASCAR, and especially WRC. He’s a fan of Walter Röhrl and the Group B era, and his Dakar Rally-inspired track showcases snow-covered mountains, desert dunes, and lush forests – all in miniature scale.

Slot Mods isn’t just about racing. It’s about storytelling, craftsmanship, and bringing people together. As David puts it, “I wanted to get this grassroots movement of bringing friends and families together through the joys of slot car racing.”

Want to explore the artistry behind Slot Mods? Check out the studio tour video and see why David Beattie’s tracks are more than toys – they’re living tributes to motorsport history.


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Sim.Expo

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Sim.Expo, the first comprehensive simulation exhibition in the United States, will debut in Austin March 13-15, 2025. This groundbreaking event is the collaborative effort of co-CEOs Stefy Bau and Nadine Wamser. It combines the decade-long success of the world’s leading SimRacing trade show, the SimRacing Expo in Germany — organized by Nadine Wamser’s South West Vision GmbH — with the global expertise of Init Esports, a leading Sim Racing tournament organizer led by Stefy Bau.

From 3 days, the Long Center for the Performing Arts will transform into the global hub for simulation fans and industry professionals. Whether racing, agriculture, aviation, trucking, or even space exploration,  Sim.Expo brings together a diverse range of simulation categories under one roof.

Sim.Expo offers the perfect blend of B2B opportunities and B2C entertainment, drawing exhibitors, businesses, and fans worldwide, focusing on networking and showcasing the latest technologies, Sim.Expo will become the central meeting point for this rapidly growing industry.

Event Highlights:

  • World-Class Exhibitors: Discover cutting-edge technologies and products from leaders in racing, aviation, agriculture, space, and more.
  • Interactive Experiences: Engage in hands-on demos and simulation stations across various industries.
  • Networking Opportunities: An ideal environment for professionals, innovators, and enthusiasts to connect, collaborate, and grow.
  • Celebrity Guests: Meet icons from simulation, racing, and esports.
  • Entertainment and Fun: Three action-packed days blending business and excitement for fans of all ages.

“The meticulous work and success of the SimRacing Expo in Germany as a key anchor for the SimRacing community and industry made expansion alongside Init Esports the next logical step. Sim.Expo will provide a platform for leading simulation manufacturers to share the latest technologies and advancements with the world,” said Nadine Wamser, co-CEO of Sim.Expo.

“Sim.Expo is more than just an event—it’s a celebration of the remarkable growth and potential of the simulation industry. Our goal is to unite enthusiasts, businesses, and innovators in a dynamic space where ideas and experiences come together, with an eye toward the Esports Olympics” said Stefy Bau, co-CEO of Sim.Expo.

From March 13–15, 2025, Austin, Texas, will become the central hub for the simulation industry. Whether you’re new to the field, a passionate fan, or focused on B2B opportunities, Sim.Expo is set to be a milestone for North America.

Sim.Expo will work with Dreamspace, an award-winning creative brand experience design agency. Thanks to Dreamspace’s expertise and support in our vision to turn Sim.Expo into a key event in Austin.

Tickets and additional information are available at Sim-Expo.com. For media inquiries, please contact: info@sim-expo.com


About Sim.Expo

Sim.Expo is a US-based company co-founded by Stefy Bau and Nadine Wamser, dedicated to showcasing the best in simulation technology. With roots in the Sim Racing Expo, held in Germany for over a decade, and the expertise of Init Esports, Sim.Expo brings together the world of simulation across industries for unparalleled innovation and engagement. Sim.Expo is a women-owned company.


About INIT eSports

INIT eSports focuses on sim racing events and digital tournaments. They bring eSports content to fans and sponsorship opportunities to brands, while maximizing audience reach across multiple sports, industries, and platforms. INIT eSports is a woman-led company where Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Accessibility is in their DNA, and their platform aims to combat bullying and cheating to help make the eSports world as safe and fair as possible. To learn more, be sure to logon to www.initesports.gg today or follow them on social media @initesports, join their discord, check out their YouTube Channel, or follow their live content via Twitch.

At INIT eSports, founder and CEO Stefy Bau doesn’t just settle for the ordinary. She creates extraordinary experiences by producing thrilling online competitions and real-life events that transcend the boundaries of the eSports universe. And she’s here with us on Break/Fix to share her story, and help you understand why you need to get more involved in the world of eSports. 

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Screen to Speed: Meike Ploeg

In Episode 33 of Init Talks, host Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya (@LoveFortySix) welcomes the Dutch Meike Ploeg, a rising star in the racing world. The number 33 isn’t just the episode number; it’s also Meike’s racing number, a meaningful symbol of her journey and ambitions. Meike shares the story behind her choice of number and how it represents her determination as she navigates the thrilling world of motorsport.

Meike recently celebrated a significant milestone by earning her European racing license, a key achievement that allows her to compete across Europe. She speaks passionately about her goal to participate in the Fun Cup, a unique and exciting racing series that bridges the gap between novice and experienced drivers. With a clear vision and unwavering drive, Meike is chasing the dream of her life—making a mark in motorsport both on and off the track.

Alongside her real-world racing endeavors, Meike is an avid sim racer, dedicating countless hours to platforms like RaceRoom Racing Experience and iRacing. She explains how sim racing has been instrumental in developing her skills and fostering her love for the sport. Tune in to hear Meike’s inspiring journey, her thoughts on balancing sim and real-world racing, and her plans for the future as she races toward her dreams.

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Highlights

Skip ahead if you must… Here’s the highlights from this episode you might be most interested in and their corresponding time stamps.

  • 00:00 Introduction to Screen to Speed
  • 00:49 Meet Meike Ploeg
  • 01:29 Meike’s Early Racing Days
  • 07:03 Transition to Sim Racing
  • 12:02 Challenges and Community in Sim Racing
  • 29:04 Equipment Upgrades and Experiences
  • 32:36 From Basic Equipment to Advanced Sim Racing
  • 33:47 Building a Custom Sim Rig
  • 35:48 Choosing the Right Monitor Setup
  • 38:43 VR and Sim Racing Preferences
  • 39:36 Favorite Car and Track Combos
  • 42:44 Future Plans in Real and Sim Racing
  • 47:06 Consistency in Racing
  • 49:18 Streaming and Community Engagement
  • 54:55 Encouraging Women in Sim Racing
  • 58:20 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Transcript

Crew Chief Brad: [00:00:00] Welcome to Screen to Speed powered by INIT eSports. In this podcast, we dive into the journeys of remarkable individuals making waves in sim racing and bridging the virtual with the real. From the thrill of digital circuits to the roar of real life racetracks, we explore the passion, Dedication and innovation that drives the world of motor sports.

We’ll hear from athletes, creators, and pioneers sharing their stories, insights, and the powerful ways sim racing is connecting communities and creating pathways into motor sports. So buckle up screen. The speed starts now.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Welcome everyone to talks episode number three, three, Mikey got three, three, as her racing number. Also, So welcome, uh, Mikey blue tower. Any talks [00:01:00] welcome in,

Meike Ploeg: uh, hello there. Uh, yeah, it’s, uh, it’s a first for me, uh, life on, uh, on the, in the webs. But, uh, yeah, here we are. And indeed, uh, 33 is my start, uh, a racing number for quite some years.

I believe. From 2011, 2012 or so, yeah. Mm-hmm .

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s great. Uh, we, so happy to have you here. And let’s start with, uh, how did you get into racing? Uh, I know that you started in carting, so let’s start with this. Yeah. Uh,

Meike Ploeg: well, the racing. Um, addiction or the racing, uh, virus started on a very early age. Uh, I caught a scuttler.

I had an, uh, herby, uh, bedroom. I had herby bedding. Herbie toys, and [00:02:00] I believe, I don’t, I’m not sure, but I believe my, uh, grandma also made Herbie curtains. Something in my mind says I had Herbie curtains, not sure. And then on an, uh, uh, around eight or ten, uh, we had a Atari, uh, game computer, uh, at home. The Atari 26, uh, uh, 2600.

And, uh, we had a game, uh, N’Zero. N’Zero was, uh, an arcade game with, uh, all kinds of, uh, um, situations. Uh, night, fog, winter. Yeah, that was my first, uh, game. Um, um, connection with racing and also the Herbie movie. Uh, yeah. From Herbie, uh, it was going, [00:03:00] uh, to carting in I believe 94. I was 14. I was 14, 15, uh, uh, 14, 15.

And uh, yeah, I was. Go into the cart, carting track, uh, on a, uh, on a bicycle, uh, two times, three times a month, sometimes, and just setting, uh, uh, the fastest, uh, time of the week, sometimes at the fastest time of the month and, uh, Around, uh, it was, uh, at the end of 1996, uh, Williams, the Williams FF one team, together with Sonars had a, um, uh, a challenge.

You had to set a, a fast, uh, the fastest time on some of the, uh, indoor tracks and when you were fast enough. I believe the fo fast is four [00:04:00] something and. You were invited to come to the speech and design, uh, uh, exhibition in, um, in Utrecht. Uh, that was at the end of the year. Speech and design was something, uh, That was, uh, organized every year around December, around this time.

And, uh, we had a final, the fastest hundreds of, I believe, plus 5, 000, 6, 000, uh, Um, attendees, uh, were invited the fastest and that, yeah, I was one of them. And one thing I still remember is like Joshua Stappan did, uh, a day, a demo on the, uh, on the cartoon track was just a concrete floor. Uh, on the first, uh, on the first level of the yardless, uh, [00:05:00] um, building and, uh, he showed it like he was going on rails.

And then we were able to do the practices and the concrete was like ice. And so my, my, um, adoration for your stuff came from that. Uh, experience like he drove on ice like it was on rails and we were, uh, um, skidding around, uh, making doughnuts, not intended, but yeah, that was really fun. But, uh, I think I became.

Uh, somewhere in the top 30, top 40, not, not as my true self. So when I saw my name again, uh, on the, uh, leaderboards, [00:06:00] uh, it, it does, it didn’t felt good, uh, in that way. Uh, I couldn’t, uh, uh, find, uh, uh, um. I didn’t feel comfortable to know I was quick enough to become, uh, uh, better in karting in, in most sports, but not with this name.

And that is why I stopped, uh, go karting on, uh, uh, on levels like the challenges. Um, uh, how do we say that? Uh, uh, events like events, like one hour races or so. I stopped with that, and I was just go karting, uh, in indoor karting tracks, and that was enough. So, yeah, they’re, they’re my, uh, uh, racing ambitions [00:07:00] stopped somewhere.

And, uh, it was at the end of the nineties, I believe, end of the ninth weekend zeros, I had my first racing wheel, uh, for the computer, uh, Microsoft, Microsoft side window. And then, uh, I started in, uh, pro, uh, rally 2000.

Another rally game and a NASCAR 98, I believe. NASCAR 98, uh, and such. So that was my first, uh, uh, idea of, yeah, it wasn’t really sim racing. Like, uh, uh, Yvonne also talks for, uh, uh, a week ago. It wasn’t really sim racing, but it was. Like for the first time, uh, doing races offline, uh, to. Mm-hmm . And yeah, [00:08:00] it was steering wheel.

Uh, it, it had four feedback or so, so,

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: yeah. Uh, so about cars, it can be really competitive, especially in Europe. I know that many people doing it. Mm-hmm. It can be really hard, uh, especially I think in nineties when you did it. Uh, so fully understand that you. Yeah. Like, uh, then go to only go karting and, uh, then switch to sim racing as understand.

Um, how was it, uh, for you to change from actually the, the karting into sim racing? Uh, do you have enough skills to like reproduce in sim racing or, uh, do you learn something new in sim racing as well?

Meike Ploeg: Oh, funny enough, uh, the, um, the most, uh, I learned from, uh, from racing lines, I caught from the BMX, uh, together with my brother, I did a BMX, uh, in the late eighties, uh, early nineties.

Uh, so in a BMX, [00:09:00] we also did, uh, the apex, the clipping point. So, uh, out in out and I wasn’t the quickest. I was, uh, The, the opposite of a daredevil, because I, I, I didn’t dare to jump, I didn’t dare to, uh, cycle on my back wheel, uh, I was just too afraid to break a bone. But the, uh, idea of cornering, uh, and, uh, like BMX, you can cycle through the whole corner.

You don’t have to break. You don’t have, you can go through all the, uh, banking and, uh, go on. And with, uh, Go karting, it was something new and you spent all around, uh, in some corners, uh, especially in go in the pro cars with two engines in the back. Uh, yeah, you go go around then uh with [00:10:00] uh from Go karting to sim racing, then it was also, uh, again with the, uh, with the rating lines out in out, but I never, uh, understood, uh, or never got, uh, the, uh, The focus, right?

To look through corners. And to be fair, uh, I never saw myself as a, as a true sim racer, uh, as fast as Yvonne or as fast as the aliens, because I always, uh, till a few weeks ago, I always, um, had the issue with the focus. I find it really difficult to find focus to look in the corners digitally. And when I did, uh, my first, uh, test drives in the film club two years [00:11:00] ago, then it was immediately looking, looking into corners and you, you can point your car to where you, where you watch.

And like, like the course two weeks ago. On Salesforce. I have my focus right now with simul racing. In the past two weeks, I, I feel I, not now more focus where. I had so much, uh, difficulty with finding the focus and now it’s easy.

That’s great. So yeah, I feel, I think I feel, uh, well, a few 10s, maybe a half second faster than I was before, before I started the, uh, racing course for the racing license stuff.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: It’s really interesting that, uh, BMX experience actually help you in some [00:12:00] racing, uh, That’s awesome. Um, so can you tell me, you just mentioned that you’ve been into Nascar and some other games, uh, racing games, and how, uh, do you actually move from racing games into the sim racing and, uh, start to take it serious?

Meike Ploeg: Uh, I took it serious. I believe Uh, about, uh, well, uh, 11, uh, 12 years ago, uh, I started with the Crunchyroll 5. Uh, uh, I got connected with a small Dutch community, GTRacing. nl. And they are just community races, uh, every week or twice a week. And, uh, racing on a low level, just a community race of maybe five to 10, uh, drivers, [00:13:00] it’s, uh, got the feeling for me online with racing against real people, not racing against bots or AI.

And then it was really, uh, fun to raise, uh, door handle. To door handle a mirror to mirror, and, uh, with also with G Grant , uh, you can, uh, um, approach it on a really, uh, professional level, but you can’t, uh, approach it on, uh, on that level. Like in I racing. In Gran Turismo, I always find it difficult to find the right breaking spots, the right clipping points, the right visual markers you use.[00:14:00]

But yeah, throughout the Gran Turismo 5, 6, and 7, um, and then I hopped back, uh, to the, uh, PC with, uh, I said, of course, competition four years ago, and now, uh, with iRacing. Yeah, now I see it more, uh, uh, as a digital motorsport.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Mm hmm. That’s cool. Um, what do you think about, uh, so you jump into Gran Turismo 5 years, like, some time ago, and, uh, community definitely help you, and, uh, what do you think about, uh, Some racing community overall.

Do you think that people are trying to help newcomers and like, oh, yeah Yeah,

Meike Ploeg: yeah, most definitely it’s like I think When you take soccer, for example, or hockey, I, I’ve did, [00:15:00] I’ve did some, uh, uh, uh, field hockey on a very low, uh, uh, basis, uh, in Utrecht, but there was already, uh, like, um, um, how do you say that?

Um, uh, leveling. What kind of left wing they were looking to each other, but they didn’t really help or support, uh, each other. It was, uh, on your own in most, in, uh, uh, community races in Crown Trismo, later in Assetto Corsa and, uh, I Racing, they, uh, I find it very welcoming is like, It doesn’t matter who you are, it doesn’t matter what you are, is as much or as, um, [00:16:00] they should try to do it on a professional level and not do it on an a arcade level.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Mm-hmm .

Meike Ploeg: So you try to. You try to to find your raising lines, you try to break on a, uh, on, on a certain point, you don’t pun. Uh, others, uh uh, often track all the time. Then they see if, okay, that person wants to learn, that person wants to be quicker, we can help. Or you can help him and that that’s what I see in, uh, in the same rating community.

Very helpful. Very welcoming. Um, um, very welcoming, uh,

I can’t find, find the word now.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah. Uh, some racing community [00:17:00] indeed, really welcoming. So when I jump into a racing, uh, that was during the pandemic, uh, in 2020, um, found that, you know, everybody’s trying to support you. Everybody’s trying to help you. If you got bad moments on track, uh, people trying to cheer you up and, um, Um, you know, just really, they’re really friendly and, uh, welcoming, indeed, as you said.

Um, Can you tell me what challenges did you face when you moved from Gran Turismo to a racing in ACC? What what was the main change for you in driving and in your skills?

Meike Ploeg: It was a whole different level. Okay Uh, start, uh, by the beginning, uh, it was, it was 2020 indeed, uh, with the Corona. Um, I was helping someone, um, um, he was, [00:18:00] uh, launching a new website and he had a web, uh, a website, a webpage about, um, um, movies with the trans, uh, theme.

Involved. So I came to the movie, just Charlie. I was searching on a movie, just Charlie interviews and such. Then I, uh, came to, uh, Charlie Martin interview, Charlie Martin. And then I thought, Oh my, there is someone like me racing. And it was, it was a week or so before she did the, uh, math, uh, nerveracking 24 hours.

Uh, it, it was, I believe, uh, at the end of August began September. Uh, it was darkest at 24 hours on nerveracking ever. Uh, then, uh, at the end of, [00:19:00] uh, 2020, then the diamond drive, uh, cup, uh, launched. So I got, uh, motivated. To buy a new gaming PC and be in that diamond drive cup. With as for the competition, with Johnny Martin, with other drivers, it opened so much, it opened not only the community.

It opened also my, uh, uh, uh, perspective of sim racing. Uh, I saw, I, I needed to find seconds, uh, to be seconds far faster than my basic speed loss, uh, uh, to make it worse. The first race in the Diamond Drive Cup was on the Alton Park. I think there are no tracks other than Alton Park. I kind of hate it.[00:20:00]

So that was, that was an eye opener. It was really an eye opener from, from Gran Turismo. I took it seriously. I took it seriously as a, uh, as virtual motorsports. But the, the, the The level of professionalism in, uh, from, from too. I said the course wa was a huge step for me.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Mm-hmm .

Meike Ploeg: So, yeah.

uh, I, I had to learn, uh, new, uh, tactics, new, uh, a new, a new way of, uh, of breaking. I, I, I did a racing with my. Uh, Logitech, um, G29 on the, uh, on Gran Turismo, it was the same set. [00:21:00] I did, uh, um, the first, the first races in, uh, Yeah. Yeah. Totally, totally different world of, uh, sim racing.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Awesome. So you also get into ACC, uh, during pandemic time.

That’s really funny because, uh, you know, many guests, which we had on any talks, they started from pandemic also, and actually, uh, many people just, uh, discover sim racing during this time and that that’s definitely awesome. And yeah, as you mentioned that you change your break in and. A lot of challenges you face, uh, during switching Gran Turismo to Data

Meike Ploeg: markers.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah.

Meike Ploeg: Like, like, in, in, uh, in, in Gran Turismo times, if I call it that, in Gran Turismo times, I always I did, uh, restart, [00:22:00] restart a new lap, restart a new lap, restart a new lap with, uh, I said the Corsa Competizione and with the Diamond Drive Cup and later also another, uh, um, uh, uh, female racers. I don’t know what that, uh, challenge was, uh, competition was, with more female racers.

More female

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: racers. Yeah.

Meike Ploeg: Yeah. I did, uh, I did some qualifications in that, really. And, uh, then I stopped to restart my lips and just keep on, uh, doing my lips. Uh, I stopped using my racing lines, uh, on and on and on. I. I turn it off and try to find my racing lines myself. So yeah, in, in real racing, you don’t have a racing line either.

I just try to challenge myself to, okay, I don’t have, uh, that in, in real life. So we [00:23:00] don’t have in sim racing either.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: And

Meike Ploeg: that’s also with sim racing. I try to, uh, Yeah, I challenge myself in driving with less traction control, driving with less ABS or driving with less downforce. Yeah, sometimes you have to try new things.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s definitely right. When you try new things. You’re learning, uh, something and, uh, you go with new experience, uh, to races and you’re doing that better than better, uh, you getting better results and also more satisfied, having more fun, definitely. Uh, so when I jumped to our racing, I also came to some racing from in real life racing.

So, I have really high expectations about myself that are like, going to win every race or something like this. Um, and, uh, Astim Racing is really competitive. [00:24:00] That, uh, kind of calms me down, uh, when I jump into, uh, racing because I can, you know, You know, win every race. It was really hard. It was a big challenge for me.

Um, so yeah, I learned something new. Like I started to be more calm, uh, during races, not rush. And sometimes just, uh, you know, plan the race, uh, better, uh, because we got Yeah, the

Meike Ploeg: work on the, uh, what I also did in as far as the competition, that’s why I also fell in love with the Gina at us. Uh, doing offline races in the Ginettas or one hour to two hour races, uh, uh, starting from the back, uh, turned, uh, uh, AI level a bit lower, and then, uh, try to, uh, be, uh, uh, to become first in one hour, two hour races, and then, uh, turn the AI level up and up and up and up.

So, [00:25:00] yeah, then you can challenge yourself and become quicker, quicker, quicker.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s the great thing about simracing, that you got the opportunity to jump anytime to the practice session. And we got great AI in iRacing, for example, so you can set it to any level. Um, can practice side by side fighting.

Meike Ploeg: And also, don’t forget Raceroom. I have to say Raceroom also, uh, In the time I did Gran Turismo, uh, and I had to unplug my, uh, uh, Logitech out of the PlayStation, move it to the, uh, old PC and Raceroom was the only, uh, sim, uh, sim I could run on that PC and, and, uh, Raceroom, I could run, uh, leaderboard, uh, leaderboard challenges.

So it was also, uh, a [00:26:00] bit, uh, mix between, uh, Arcade and sim racing. I didn’t do any, uh, real racing or racing to against AI or against real people. But, uh, yeah, race from also, I have to call them, uh, uh, for their, uh, Also for the sound engine, they’re creating a sound. Mm-hmm . Uh, uh, of cars, uh, but also, uh, with the feeling of, uh, certain cars like the bm BBMW, uh, M1 Pro Car and a suit tt uh, yeah.

Sound cars. I, I, I, I love racing very room for. Especially for the leaderboards.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah. Race room is great. Uh, I raised some time and it’s also, uh, that happened. So I started from a set of Corsa, uh, not competizione, just a simple one. Um, then I raised my racing and then at the same time we [00:27:00] had, uh, like offline sim racing, um, point in the mall.

And so we had race room on this, uh, on our equipment here. And I remember I was racing here and also prepared in race room for, uh, one of the stages in Formula 4, uh, because race room got, uh, Sepang circuit. It’s a absolutely amazing circuit. I love it. Um, yeah. Um, many people said that, wow. Sound engine is, is great and Raceroom and people just in love with it.

And, uh, that’s great that we got, uh, all kinds of different, uh, simulators right now, and you can just, uh, jump to whatever, uh, comfortable for you, or you got like equipment, uh, for exactly like you just said, yeah, you choose Raceroom because you could run it on your PC.

Meike Ploeg: Yeah. Now, uh, uh, since, uh, Corona times, I do have a better PC, so I can run every, uh, sim, uh, I, I [00:28:00] like.

But, uh, yeah, it’s, uh, back in those days, uh, like between 2012, 2013, when they launched and yeah, uh, just, uh, yeah, Raytheon is free and sometimes I buy a car or buy a track or, uh, yeah, in, in all those years, I have, uh, quite, uh, an amount of cars, uh, collected.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, Raceroom got great tracks, also sometimes really cool leaderboard challenges and competitions.

So yeah, I think that people can have a look at Raceroom. It’s free to play also. That will be our recommendation. So maybe start some racing. And

Meike Ploeg: you can, and you can test drive every car you like before you buy it. Also, I, I will say, uh, every sim has to implement that. Uh, that idea so you can test drive every car [00:29:00] before you buy I racing do it.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah. Uh, you mentioned before that you’ve been, uh, racing on sidewinder, then you changed to, to G29. Uh, did you upgrade your wheel or in pedals? So were you?

Meike Ploeg: You upgrade it. Yes. Uh, I got an upgrade, uh, not by myself, uh, it was, uh, last year, uh, December, uh, 23. Or was it 22? Oh, I don’t know.

It doesn’t, it doesn’t matter. Um, I got an upgrade by, uh, by my husband. Uh, he gave me, seriously.

Oh!

A Merusa, um, I believe V2 RS, uh, wheel. With an [00:30:00] RAR nine, uh, base. And, uh, this year, uh, in the spring, I bought myself, uh, the, sorry, uh, Mozart, SRP, uh, pedals. Mm-hmm . And, uh, I do it now. Uh, I’ve raised for years in my, uh. Uh, uh, wouldn’t do it yourself, uh, Rick, but this year, uh, a few months ago, I built myself, uh, I built, uh, a sim labs, uh, Rick, uh, I got from Yvonne and, uh, Sophie.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s nice. So you, you really upgrade your equipment. That’s awesome. Um, How do you like it compared to what you had in 90s and, uh, how was it, can you compare this experience like you right now on high end equipment and you start on low end, uh, so how was it for you?

Meike Ploeg: Well,[00:31:00]

I’ve always said, uh, it’s not the, uh, Equipment is the driver. Uh, I have to come back to that. Uh, especially when I’m now in the sim labs, uh, everything is 30. I don’t have any, um, how do you say that? Um, uh, tolerances. Like a moving, everything is sturdy. Um, when I started with Quanturismo with a, uh, with a little community, I, uh, I have built myself a little case.

Like, uh, it was almost a coffin and it was, uh, foldable. So it was a little flight case, something like that. In a weird shape in, uh, kind of we shape, uh, wet, uh, shape. And then I folded open, um, uh, clicked my, uh, steering wheel in it. And then I had my, um, yeah, [00:32:00] ric, uh, in, in the bedroom. Uh, uh, pfi, uh, above me a little bit too high.

I have neck drains, uh, observation. Uh, uh, yeah, that was for me at that time was enough for, uh, for the fun of racing. Not, um, um, how to say it, approaching it on a professional level, but just my racing wheel was in a secure spot. My pedals were in a secure spot. I used an old, uh, go karting seat that I could move with, uh, little.

Pins and holes in a, in a case, in a fight case. So I had a, I had a seating position so I could race, but compared to that and what I do have now, yeah, totally different [00:33:00] world, totally different world of sim racing and racing. Uh, yeah, I truly can say now I race for virtually and, uh, thing I did back then was like arcade gaming.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s great. You know, I really like that you started from really base equipment and you step by step improve it for the years. It’s, uh, it’s really great. Um, when people come to me and ask me like, uh, what should I get as a first equipment? I just telling them, uh, like you can, you should get the one in which you can efforts actually.

So you can start from basic one and then move to more expensive if you got an opportunity for this.

Meike Ploeg: Maybe you can, uh, show, uh, something, uh, what I have, uh, previous on this, uh, SimRig. Uh, I had a rig built from scaffolding pipes. Mm. Um, just [00:34:00] scaffolding pipes, uh, with a, um, not the torques, but a bu, um, keys.

Mm-hmm . So I, I just ordered, I, I, I, I just ordered a load of, uh, pipes. I just ordered a lot load of, uh, those, uh, couplings, uh, built myself, uh, first, uh, uh, desk with a small triangle. I, uh, mounted a, a steering wheel on it. When I used my desk for home things and like, uh, uh, creating or, uh, drawing, then I just had a, uh, a desk with a L shape.

And when I was going to race, my pedals were, uh, just in the corner, uh, 45 degrees, then I. Put the triangle in its position, uh, uh, uh, turns the, uh, the couplings, uh, uh, tighten the couplings. Uh, with triangle where my steering wheel was [00:35:00] on it, and then I was able to race. So my desk was, uh, multifunctional, uh, then I, uh, then I changed that desk to a rig with the same pipes, same scaffolding pipes.

Didn’t, uh, any, uh, uh, additions to it. And like now for, I think the past year, uh, doing, uh, uh, I’m going to race. No, not going to go to it. I’m racing in this, uh, sim labs, uh, still scaffolding pipes for my money. My monitor stand is, uh, mounted to the, uh, SimLabs rig for my monitor.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s awesome. Uh, you know, also when I started in 2020, I had, uh, like custom made, uh, steel rig and when we switch from single screen, so single screen, I had [00:36:00] it on desk actually, and when we changed to triple, uh, we just, uh, built with my husband out of the plain woods, uh, the table.

So it was made for the triple it’s, you know, it’s really comfortable and it’s, uh, really solid as it’s, uh, that’s a playbook. It’s, um, you know, just like solid, solid, yeah. And you know, it’s still working. He’s still using, uh, this, uh, the stand for triple. It’s also, so we move a couple of times, uh, bring it with us and it’s still in one piece and working.

Meike Ploeg: I, I know I, I’ve been to, uh, Yon, uh, a few times, and I know Yon had that, uh, Samsung, uh, uh, uh, quiet war mm-hmm. Uh, screen. Yeah. That’s, that’s one thing I, I want to buy, uh, for myself. Mm-hmm . For, yeah. [00:37:00] Just instead of the triple screen, just one monitor, uh, with a, uh, yeah. Uh, how do you say it? math curve, uh, in it and then, yeah, this one, uh, one addition I could use for this rig.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, I think this, uh, monitor can be good also for PC performance because triple definitely ate a lot of, uh, resources from PC, from GPU and from CPU as well as all simulators. They, you know, pretty hard on single core, uh, from CPU. So yeah, I think that that’s a good, uh, I’m, I’m,

Meike Ploeg: Not into that. I’m just not into that digital technical stuff.

It’s just, it has to work.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, you know, you just have to take what’s comfortable for you. So I know that some people are really comfortable with a single screen, so they just get used to, they got their own reference points on their monitors, and they just [00:38:00] race with single screen. But for myself, I choose triple.

Just because it gives you more angle, so when you race side by side in road races, it’s really comfortable to use.

Meike Ploeg: Yeah, it’s like, uh, with, uh, with single screen, uh, I try now to use, uh, sometimes the, uh, one of those picks. I try to use for, uh, for looking to left or right. So that’s what I try, uh, in

Assetto Corsa, it works a bit better than in IAC. But, uh, yeah, something I, yeah, and VR is also not. Something I, uh, I do want because I am afraid I, uh, I, I will hurt my eyes with the VR. [00:39:00] I don’t know. I don’t like it.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, VR is just, uh, you know, not for everyone because someone gets sick from it. Someone just dies.

doesn’t, uh, don’t like that, uh, you know, getting a worm and, uh, around your eyes and, uh, you can sweat also. So for long races, I think VR is a not, not really good option. Um, yeah, once again, um, you have to go with whatever you’ll be comfortable with.

Meike Ploeg: No, I prefer the real racing, a little bridge.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Uh, can you tell me, you mentioned that you, uh, didn’t like Alton Park in a racing, um, can you tell me what is your favorite combo in a racing and in a set of Corsa Compensione, like favorite car and favorite track also?

Meike Ploeg: Um, well, lately, uh, the past two years, I, uh, really liked, uh, solar [00:40:00] also because I, uh, raised, uh, uh, with the fun cup in real life, uh, uh, that’s why, um, I think the unit, the genetic GT four on solar, that’s, that’s for me, uh, uh, uh, Yeah, perfect combo, um, like in iRacing, uh, for example, I’m, I’m not, I’m not really into, uh, Formula cars, but, uh, the, the Formula, uh, the FF1600.

On Lime Rock, uh, I also really like.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, F Formula race, amazing. I like it. Um, my favorite one is, uh, Summit Point with this car. Um, but I think Lime Rock Park is, uh, you know, for the first time you Yeah, Summit,

Meike Ploeg: Summit, Summit and Lime Rock are really interchangeable.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: I

Meike Ploeg: think Lime Rock and Cemetery are really close to each other.[00:41:00]

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, they’re really close to each other. I agree with you. And I think that Lime Rock Park, for some people, when you’re first time looking in the track, you’re like, Oh, it’s like pretty easy to to race here. Yeah. But when you get on the track, you’re like, wow, it’s it’s really complicated in some places.

And, you know, all the time you you say, Steering to the right many times on this track and, uh, it can be really challenging to keep a consistent lap times for like 20 laps.

Meike Ploeg: Yeah, I’ve did so many laps to, to get, uh, uh, the last part of the track, uh, to me, just the, the, the, the, uh, The long right hander.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Mm-hmm .

Meike Ploeg: Uh, lime Rock. It’s just, yeah. It took me so long to get it right. Um, yeah. With, with Summit, it, it is the final corner, uh, long time. I, uh, drove from Summit, but, uh, [00:42:00] uh, uh, gear, uh, gearing down to mm-hmm . Third, uh, to third care in, in a ff six unit, but now I. Do it more in fourth gear and just, uh, yeah, how does it throw it into the corner?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, I, I got it. Like you, um, bringing more speed into the, the last, uh, one. Yeah, that’s definitely working. You know, that last corners on summit point and Lime Rock Park, I think they really familiar. So it can, if you nail the, the one on Lime Rock Park, you’ll be, uh, okay with summit point as well, I think.

All right. Um, so we’re moving to near to the end of our show and, uh, let’s talk about your plans and, uh, about your dreams. What are you planning for your future? Um, are you going to jump into real life racing? [00:43:00] Um, and what are you planning to do in sim racing as well?

Meike Ploeg: Uh, no, my plans are really focused on real racing.

Um, beginning of this year, uh, I said to myself, I want to get my racing license this year. Uh, and I, uh, ordered myself and, uh, uh, my personal logo. I don’t. Oh, it’s cute. Nope. This also with the Beatle with a film cup, Beatle and from Herbie. And uh, yeah. Um, I said to myself, I had to get my racing license this year and at the summer I didn’t knew really if it was going to succeed or not.

Uh, in September I was watched and, uh, visited, uh, max five. With, [00:44:00] uh, Miaras, uh, for example, I visited Germany, then I saw, yeah, okay, motorsports is expensive. Okay. I know it. And then, uh, I came back from holiday, uh, mid October and I had some, um, uh, email contact with someone from Sanford. He has his own, uh, racing school, uh, booting up his, uh, company with that.

And, uh, I thought I have to do it. I have to do it. It’s still this year I have to do it. So, yeah. Um, some, some people know. And I have my racing license, EU EU racing license. Awesome. Congrats to you. So my, my goal, uh, with a, a racing license is to, uh, get into, [00:45:00] uh, the film cup. Uh, starting, uh, my, uh, story with the Herbie and, uh, ending my ambitions to get in the funk of Beatles, like racing in Herbie.

Yeah, it’s, uh, if it’s only one stint, if it’s only one stint, uh, As Sanford or as far, but now I, I believe there’s more, uh, more than that for me. And, uh, I, I have to do some networking. I have to do some stuff, but I really believe, uh, there’s something to do in the most spots for me.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, I hope all your dreams are going to come true.

I also noticed that you got pretty, uh, earrings. Yeah. With beetles. Yeah, that’s,

Meike Ploeg: uh, This, uh, also, uh, some [00:46:00] DI, uh, DU crafting, I did myself. Oh, uh, based on the logo, based on the logo of the film cup. So, uh, that’s awesome. Uh, so I have, uh, since a few, uh, since a year or two, I have a legend, graver and laser Kurt.

In my, uh, shed, so I do, uh, some, uh, sometimes, uh, stuff like this.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s really cool. I love it.

Meike Ploeg: And I also, uh, what, what I also want to mention is like, uh, uh, sure. I want to, uh, stay in, uh, sim racing, uh. This year, uh, of no or no? Uh, last year, uh, with, uh, the Rachel for Mental Health, 2023, I raced with, uh, ASRA Racing. Mm-hmm . And this, this year in, uh, spring, I raced with, [00:47:00] with, um, in the, I don’t know, it was or

And, uh, working with sim racing and real racing to work on consistency. Uh, even also, uh, learned me just consist, consistency. Now consistency is key. It’s like, I, I’m not always the fastest, uh, like mostly I’m three to five seconds slower than the aliens.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: And

Meike Ploeg: that’s, that’s okay for me. But I, when. I drove with Astra in the race for mental health on solar or on Le Mans this year and I only made four or five mistakes in the whole event.

Yeah, then I think my consistency is okay. [00:48:00] And when I, when I can turn that into the real racing to be consistent there to, yeah, what I always said. That is like a drive round like a Jensen butternut and also that round that like a smooth driving style. Yeah, and I tried to Convert it to the real racing

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, I think as you said consistency is a key and I think with consistency also Speed will come to you because if you’re consistent, you can actually analyze your laps and it’s better to see mistakes which you’re doing and overall it will help you to improve in the future. So yeah, I think this is the main thing in simracing and racing as well.

Meike Ploeg: Yeah, and now the focus is, uh, more on point for me, like I, I can look into the corners more in [00:49:00] virtual, uh, in virtual racing. Uh, yeah, I think I found there are some, some tense, maybe half a second. So yeah, I think, I think, uh, I, I will have to try some new events this or next year. So we’ll see.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, and, uh, speaking about your racing career and, uh, that you’re planning to do some networking, um, I think you can use SimRacing as well for this as, uh, you know, so many racing drivers in SimRacing, and, uh, maybe you can think to start streaming, start, uh, some socials as well, and, uh,

Meike Ploeg: you streaming.

Streaming is something I don’t like.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Um,

Meike Ploeg: no, it’s not, not like, but it’s not in my, um, first, uh, um, um, first problems map I had when I called that [00:50:00] it’s like, when I go to race, yeah, I want to stream, but I’m not that aware or that. Uh, fonts to, uh, make it a streaming, uh, business, uh, it’s, I want to race. Yes. I want to, uh, share my passion.

I want to share my, uh, uh, goals. Yeah. But, uh, streaming with all the editing and, and, uh, Social media around. I, I, I think I’m or do all for it or not that into it. I don’t know.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: So maybe you just, uh, don’t have experience. Yeah. Um, I think if you’re going to meet people, uh, who can help you, uh, even with streaming.

So maybe one day, uh, you, you can jump into it. Yeah. And even, you know, if you go on to do any races and some racing, I think it will be really good to stream them. Uh, because you’re going to find mm-hmm . Uh, your [00:51:00] people who’s going to support you. They’re going to come to every Yeah, yeah, that’s right. Every race.

Yeah. To cheer for you. Mm-hmm . And that’s great. Yeah. I have to ask,

Meike Ploeg: so maybe

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah. And also you one, uh, said that I can help you . Yeah. God, you know, we guys, uh, really, uh, friendly and a welcome community and like everybody Yeah.

Meike Ploeg: That, that, that, and, uh. It, it doesn’t have to be free, of course. Mm-hmm . And, uh, if people, uh, like to make, uh, digital photographs of the flu racing or indeed, uh, editing of videos, yeah.

Who knows? But, uh, at this point I’m not into that. Mm-hmm . Yeah, I remember. I, I don’t know. I, I don’t also, uh, what my, uh, goal is with [00:52:00] simulating. If I go to, uh, overriding, even if I go to, More, uh, tooling class, like in a race room now, or maybe more like Formula and IndyCar, I don’t know.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: All right, so you’re going to decide for your future, I’m pretty sure.

And, you know, I remember when I started streaming and started to get into sim racing, I was, uh, You know, absolutely had no clue about streaming and how to do this. And, uh, you know, how to be, how to race at the same time and communicate with the community. Yeah. Um, it was a big challenge for me, definitely.

And, um, for this years, I can tell you that, uh, you know, I just became more confident and, uh, feeling more comfortable with community. And, uh, it’s actually a little bit weird when you’re racing. Uh, and you’re not streaming in the same time because I just get used to this. I get used to that. [00:53:00] I got all the time, my people who support me in every races.

Um, but sometimes, you know, I’m like, I’m practicing, uh, offline, not on stream. And it feels a bit weird.

Meike Ploeg: Yeah. Yeah. Well, like, uh, talk now, uh, uh, for an hour or so with, which you in a calm camera. I’m not used to cameras that much and, uh, getting comfortable by the minute with the camera. Yeah, who knows? Uh, yeah, I don’t call it totally off.

Uh, I don’t, I won’t do it, but, uh, it’s not in my, uh, yeah, yeah. I don’t know how to say it. It’s not in my streets to, uh, to focus on that streaming stuff more. I’m more eager to focus on the sim racing and, uh, become quicker and more, [00:54:00] um, uh, reliable, uh, as a team member for Astra racing or. Or another team, but, uh, and then, uh, and then go streaming instead of go streaming and still, uh, hopping around.

And I first have to find my, um, my point of racing. Uh, hopefully with the, hopefully with the Jinekas, I really, uh, like to, uh, race them. But yeah, maybe GT3, maybe IndyCar, I don’t know.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, I fully understand you, um, and you’re great on camera today. You’re doing amazing.

Meike Ploeg: Thank you. The lights, uh, turned off, uh, almost.

Half hour ago. All right.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah. Um, what would you say to women, uh, who are interested [00:55:00] in join, uh, sim racing? What would you suggest to them? Uh, maybe like jump into any of the sports, uh, and what they, um, can do to get involved into sim racing?

Meike Ploeg: First of all, try it. Uh, yeah. Like, compared to 10 years ago, and now, uh, the community I found with the Diamond Drive Club.

With a head, uh, discord and, uh, also with, uh, you know, it’s in team and, uh, SR racing, um, there, there was so much to find, uh, as a female register, also as an LGBT racer. Um, there was so much to, uh, Uh, to discover, uh, what kind of, um, race you like, what kind of, um, of not, not what kind of, [00:56:00] what, what amount of, uh, uh, sim racing you want in your life.

Uh, what, what time you have for it? What, what, uh, um, what do you want to put into it, in your new hobby? And to get out of it, uh, is it just gaming and just have fun for an hour a week, or do you want to make it more, uh, more your hobby? Uh, then I say, yeah, uh, try it. And there are so many, so many clubs, so many events, uh, so many, uh, companies you, you can, uh, attend, visit, uh, like, uh, formula one, uh, GT3, uh, GT3, uh, clubs, uh, if even on, on racing tracks, uh, itself like Nürburgring and Sandsport, you can.

You can visit them, and they have a sim rig. So, uh, there is much to explore [00:57:00] for everyone.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, definitely. A lot of opportunities to jump into different simulators. Also, uh, if you don’t have a rig, as you said, yeah, we got some sim racing centers, uh, where you can come and just try sim racing. That’s awesome, yeah.

Many ways to start, uh, to get, to be involved into sim racing, as you said.

Meike Ploeg: And also like, um, uh, try to, uh, ask, uh, people in your neighborhood, uh, maybe colleagues, uh, maybe, uh, uh, friends of friends, uh, who are into a sim racing, yeah, you can ask, uh, Hey, uh, I heard you, you, you did sim racing, you have a steering wheel.

Uh, yeah, you, you can ask and. Like, like we have said, uh, it’s a very welcoming community and, uh, someone who wants to share [00:58:00] his patient too.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: So he

Meike Ploeg: said, maybe he says like, uh, Oh yeah, come on over, uh, have a drink, uh, come over this weekend and you can try it. So it’s also, uh, lots of, lots of opportunities.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s true. I absolutely agree with you. Um, and now we’re just, uh, flew really fast with you. Uh, so thank you so much for taking your time and, uh, speaking with us. It was awesome. Yeah. You’re great on camera. I’m going to say this once again. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you guys for watching and till the next time with the neat talks.

Bye. Bye.

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