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Thanksgiving, Snow, and Spark Plugs: The Untold Story of America’s First Auto Race

In the annals of American automotive history, few events are as mythologized – and misunderstood – as the 1895 Chicago Times-Herald Horseless Carriage Contest. Often reduced to a footnote about the Duryea brothers winning a snowy Thanksgiving Day race, the real story is far richer, more chaotic, and surprisingly modern in its implications.

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The idea for the race was sparked by a Parisian newspaper article detailing the 1895 Paris–Bordeaux race. Herman H. Kohlstaat, publisher of the Chicago Times-Herald, saw an opportunity – not just to promote American innovation, but to boost his paper’s circulation and celebrate its 50th anniversary. With backing from the War Department, carriage builders, and electrical engineers, Kohlstaat launched a contest that would test vehicles powered by steam, electricity, gas, oil, or even air.

But there was a problem: American inventors weren’t ready. Of the 80+ entries, only a handful could even start the race. The event was postponed multiple times, finally landing on Thanksgiving Day, November 28, 1895.

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The weather was brutal – 12 inches of snow, 60 mph winds, and temperatures in the 30s. Only six vehicles made it to the starting line. The 54-mile course from Chicago to Evanston and back was a gauntlet of ice, drifts, and horse-drawn traffic.

After more than 10 grueling hours, the Duryea Motor Wagon crossed the finish line first, averaging just 5 mph. The Mueller Benz came second. A third vehicle, the Macy Benz, finished the next day – disqualified for missing the time limit.

Spotlight

David Schmidt is a Director at the Society of Automotive Historians (SAH) as well as Panel
Chair for the SAH Bradley Award. He is also a member of the Porsche Club of America and
Fuelfed, a private club for enthusiasts of European cars. Born in Detroit, his father and
grandfather both worked for GM at Fisher Body. Being a product of a certain generation he
experienced the muscle car era first hand cruising the famed Woodward Avenue in the late
1960’s. David received a BA from Michigan State University, MA and PhD from Indiana University and after a career in financial services retired from TIAA. As an auto enthusiast, he can be seen driving about town in a 1967 Volvo Amazon or 1989 Porsche Carrera.

Synopsis

This episode of The Logbook, our History of Motorsports series, details the historical significance and background of the 1895 Horseless Carriage Contest held on Thanksgiving Day in Chicago, sponsored by the Chicago Times Herald. It is often considered the first automobile race in America. David Schmidt, a director at the Society of Automotive Historians, will discuss the event’s what, why, when, where, and who, delving into the conditions, entries, and outcomes. The event featured 80 entries, only 6 of which started, and 3 managed to finish, albeit with rule violations. The contest led to awards for innovation and performance. Noteworthy figures included Hieronymus Mueller, Charles B. King, and the developers of an electric vehicle named the Electrobat. The race is also contextualized within the broader backdrop of the era’s technological advancements and the burgeoning automotive industry. Sponsors like the International Motor Racing Research Center, the Society of Automotive Historians, and others helped bring this historical presentation to life.

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Transcript

[00:00:00] Breakfix’s History of Motorsports series is brought to you in part by the International Motor Racing Research Center, as well as the Society of Automotive Historians, the Watkins Glen Area Chamber of Commerce, and the Argettsinger family.

The 1895 Horseless Carriage Contest. Sponsored by the Chicago Times Herald. Also known as the first auto race in America. This presentation is a peek into the what, why, when, where, and who beyond the auto history lore of a Duryea victory on a cold and snowy Thanksgiving day in Chicago. Presenter David Schmidt is a director at the Society of Automotive Historians as well as a panel chair for the SAH Bradley Award.

He is also a member of the Porsche Club of America and FuelFed, a private club for enthusiasts of European cars. Transcribed Born in Detroit, his father and grandfather both worked for General Motors at Fisher Body. Being a product of a certain generation, he experienced the muscle car era firsthand, [00:01:00] cruising the famed Woodward Avenue in the late 1960s.

David received a B. A. from Michigan State University, M. A. and Ph. D. from Indiana University, and after a career in financial services, retired from TIAA. As an auto enthusiast, He can be seen driving about town in a 1967 Volvo Amazon or a 1989 Porsche Carrera. The importance of his presentation is of this auspicious event and is perhaps best captured that same year by Peter Studebaker of the eponymous wagon maker, who with prescience commended the sponsoring newspaper quote, for transferring the manufacturer of the motorcycle, a term applied to the horseless carriage, concentrating the inventive faculties of the nation on this new departure.

And my endeavor today is to discuss the first automobile race in America in 1895. You and I would be hard pressed to find a more appropriate introduction to my topic today. Hiram Percy Maxim, pioneer motor vehicle inventor and [00:02:00] umpire in one of the vehicles entered in the contest, I will explore, wrote the following in his book, quote, the Times Herald horseless carriage race.

Which I believe was the first motor race in America was to be held in Chicago on Thanksgiving day, 1895. I had yet to learn that being entered for a motor race is considerably different from participating in a motor race and altogether different from finishing a motor race. With over 80 entries in this contest, only six appeared at the starting line and only two finished in regulation.

And because this contest has been so well documented, today, I will endeavor to address myself selectively to some of the facts and circumstances surrounding the event by examining questions of what, why, when, where, and who. So this is my effort to provide the context for that Thanksgiving Day contest in 1895.

Chicago Times Herald, July 9, 1895. Newspaper reads, prize for motors [00:03:00] must be tested in a race. Milwaukee to Chicago in November, cash rewards for inventors. The newspaper goes on to say, it is a fact which cannot be denied or overlooked. That the United States is in the rear of the procession in this branch of inventive progress, while it should be in the front rank.

The horseless carriage is the sensation of the hour in France and Germany, and already has commanded favorable attention of the English parliament. These words were an obvious reaction to horseless carriage races in France, Paris to Iran in 1894, Paris to Bordeaux in 1895. As well as a reaction to inventories in Germany, Karl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler.

This July 9 announcement, no official race date had yet been established, but it was to be somewhere near November 1. And significantly, a committee was to be formed to oversee the race. Of greater or equal importance, the committee represented by the department of war, the national carriage builders association, and electrical engineers [00:04:00] was to preside over the tests, which were designed to obtain vehicle technical data.

Uh, This testing is to become an important element in granting the coveted gold medal. Subsequently, it would be determined that the preliminary testing for the racing was to be held starting October 29 for quote, vehicles, the mode of power of which will be electricity, steam, oil, gas, or air with a race date set for November 2.

Fast forward to the very morning of Saturday, November 2, the Chicago Times Herald front page reads, Race is postponed. Judges of the motorcycle contest yield to pressure. I’ll explain motorcycle in a moment. Informal trial today. Inventors not entirely ready for the final event. Of 83 inventors working on vehicles, less than a handful were ready.

Contest gets postponed again until Thanksgiving day, November 28. But an exhibition run or consolation race or the informal trial with a 500 purse to the winner took place on that Saturday. For [00:05:00] those vehicles that were ready. Two entries, H. Mueller Manufacturing Company of Decatur, Illinois and Duryea Motor Wagon of Springfield, Massachusetts made the run while remaining entries demonstrated their vehicles, but did not run the entire course.

Mueller won the contest. Duryea was sidelined when running into a ditch, trying to avoid a collision with a horse drawn wagon. Two weeks later, rules for the Thanksgiving day race were revised and published on November 16. There were 27 articles in the rules, such as must have three or more wheels, must have trumpet, fog horn, or other signal capable of sounding warning signal of approach requiring an umpire be in each vehicle, et cetera, et cetera.

But article 20 seems to me to be the key to race results. It reads. The judges recall the committee I was mentioned above recall the judges will base their awards on the showings made in the preliminary tests and in the road contest in November 28 and making the final awards judges will consider and weigh the general utility and [00:06:00] adaptability ease of control speed economy of operation cost general appearance and And excellence of design in each contesting motorcycle.

What is that term? Well, it was a term applied for horseless carriages after a naming contest was sponsored by the Times Herald because the term automobile was not yet widely accepted and perhaps seen by some as too quote Frenchy close quote. And by the way, there was also a publication of the same name, motorcycle appearing for a few issues covering developments of this budding new horseless carriage era.

Preliminary tests for the Thanksgiving Day race began on November 19 in a building owned by the Studebaker Brothers Manufacturing Company. They made the facility available for race tests, as well as the exhibition of motorcycles. Race rules required each vehicle be tested before being allowed to compete.

The testing machine was a raised platform dynamometer. Horseless age, the periodical of the time, similar to motorcycle, wrote with this device it is possible [00:07:00] to measure the load the vehicle will carry, how steep a grade it will climb, the consumption of fuel, the power and efficiency of the mechanism. So we go to race day, which finally arrives.

This is the Chicago Times Herald of November 29, the following day. Of 11 entrants the night before, pre race favorite Haynes Apperson Crash trying to avoid a street car and four others failed to make the starting line with inclement weather, which was 12 inches of snow and 60 mile an hour winds the previous days, leaving ice and drifts coupled with race temperatures.

In the thirties, a race shortened 54 mile contest commenced with six competitors. After more than 10 hours, the Duryea Wagon was first with a speed of 5 miles an hour. Mueller Benz was second. The Macy Benz finished the next day, not in regulation time. Based upon reports of the umpires in each vehicle reporting lost time, any violations, etc.,

Plus testing data, the judge awards were announced not until December 5th on page three, not on page [00:08:00] one on December 6th in the Times Herald to the verbiage and award of 2, 000 to the Duryea Motor Wagon Company for best performance in the road race. For range of speed and pull with compactness of design, an award of 1, 500 to H.

Mueller and company motorcycle for performance in the road race and economy of operation. And an award of the Times Herald gold medal to the Morris Solemn Electrobat, the name of the electric horseless carriage that they had for best showing made in the official tests for ease of control, safety, absence of noise, vibration, heat or odor cleanliness, and general excellence of design and workmanship.

So interestingly, Duryea and Mueller get the purse, but Morris and Salomon get the gold. A logical question might be asked if the contest was held on November 28, why did it take another week to announce the awards? On that, the Times Herald wrote, the problem presented to judges was a knotty one. And that problem was, all three contestants that finished the race [00:09:00] violated the rules.

All went off course, some had to be pushed, one failed to finish in the allotted time. Hence the Times Herald wrote. It is therefore found that under any construction of the plain rules of the race, not a contestant had a valid claim to a first award. And yet, between practicality on the one hand, so many entrants, over 80, with an abundance of interest in the outcomes, not just race results, but testing results as well, And then on the other hand, preserving the newspaper and its publisher’s reputation, somehow closure was reached and awards were presented.

The test results were announced by Horseless Age in January 1896, quote, the first scientific investigation of this important subject. It will be awaited with interest by manufacturing and technical world. Well, the report of the committee with detailed figures and performance came out on February 16, 1896, covering horsepower, fuel economy, and pull.

And this is one scientific American in April, 1896 carried a piece entitled motor [00:10:00] vehicle tests. The engineers submit their report to the tests made at Chicago, valuable data for makers and users alike. So that’s what happened in the contest in 1895, a condensed version of a much larger experience with many tales shared in print by a variety of participants in that Thanksgiving Day race.

During my literature review, I came upon this Saturday Evening Post article that caught my attention because Alexander Witten, inventor of the steering wheel, is the man Henry Ford beat in a sweepstakes race in 1901, which subsequently helped put Ford on the map. But I’m jumping ahead about six years.

Wynton began experiments with horseless carriages in 1893. Duryea brothers, 1891, 1892. So I wanted to dig a little deeper. We know what happened on that Thanksgiving day, but why this race in 1895? Because according to Horseless Carriage, quote, until the year 1895, few American inventors devoted any attention to the problem of mechanical propulsion of vehicles, and the results of the laborers are generally crude and [00:11:00] impractical.

The stimulus of a widespread public interest was lacking then. Few inventors whose ideas assumed the more practical form were forced to curb their impatience and wait until the public should manifest a livelier curiosity. That way it was, of course, brief. Paris to Rwanda in 1894, and then Paris to Bordeaux in 1895 led to an explosion of efforts on both sides of the pond.

The Horseless Age wrote, the race from Paris to Bordeaux and return last June was such a phenomenal performance that all Christendom paused for a moment. The Chicago Herald Times offering of cash rewards for inventors was the spark on this continent. Inventors had operated in isolation from one another.

Quote, blissfully ignorant that so many of us began work so nearly the same without the slightest notion that others were working on the same problem, wrote Hiram Percy Maxim in his book, Horseless Carriage Days, nearly four weeks before the contest on November 2 in 1895, a letter to the editor of the publication, the Motocycle, the other Horseless Carriage publication, addressing itself [00:12:00] to the upcoming Times Herald race.

Quote, your action in the Times Herald has hastened the development of motorcycle several years. And what is more important, it has had the effect of transferring the manufacturer of the motorcycle from Europe to America. That letter was written by Peter Evers Studebaker of Studebaker Brothers Manufacturing Company.

He was the publisher of the Times Herald newspaper and is credited with organizing the first auto race. And as far as I can determine, there are at least four reasons why this is the case. First from Colsette in his own words, carried in a Saturday evening post article, January, 1924, it reads quote in May, 1895 in the Chicago club, I picked up a copy of El Istracion of Paris containing an account with illustrations of the Of an automobile race between Paris and Bordeaux, which had taken place a few weeks before.

It gave me an idea, a contest in Chicago of horseless vehicles. Second reason for the contest was that Colesat felt, [00:13:00] quote, the greatest use of the motor wagon would be for the army and commercial trucks. He actually turned to president Grover Cleveland and asked the war department to both take charge of the experiments, AKA vehicle testing, as well as the race.

The motorcycle, the publication wrote in December, 1895. With armor clad, horseless carriages, capable of climbing fences, running over rocks and such obstacles and of being moved over the country, Uncle Sam would have a formidable weapon. Well, obviously the war department heading up the race day committee had already taken notice and was awaiting test results along with 80 plus other interested parties.

The third reason Colsette sponsored the race was he was a shrewd businessman. Apparently La Petite Journal increased its own circulation by sponsoring the 1894 Paris to Iran excursion. In those days, newspapers had to scratch for circulation. There were 29 newspapers in Chicago. In Carriages Without Horses by Richard Sharsberg, He writes, all newspapers were giving space to the announcement of the [00:14:00] coming race, and it was all good publicity as much as they hated to have anything to do with promoting a news story fostered and thrust upon the public for the express purpose of advertising a rival journal.

And the fourth reason why Colesat was to sponsor the race was to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Times Herald. This was the Chicago Tribune on Thanksgiving day. Writing, the day we celebrate the day when Turkey and football rule could be 2023. This rival newspaper’s front page referenced football.

University of Michigan was playing University of Chicago at Marshall Field in close proximity to the start of the first auto race in America. Saturday Evening Post wrote. As they, the vehicles, passed Lincoln Park, they were greeted suddenly by cheers from a crowd of thousands. These weren’t race fans, but attendees at the football game between University of Chicago and University of Michigan, who noticed the horseless carriages slowly working their way up the street on that Thanksgiving day.

But wait, according to Colesat’s own article in [00:15:00] January, 1924, in the Saturday Evening Post, he said when the contest was to be held, on the 4th of July. So let’s backtrack a moment. What happened? Of the 60 contestants entered at that time, only one horseless carriage was ready, Haynes Apperson of Kokomo, Indiana.

So the contest was to be rescheduled, possibly to Labor Day. But then on July 9th, the Times Herald wrote, The 85 miles between Chicago and Milwaukee probably afford the finest roadway for such a test that can be found in the country. Date of the contest will not be far from the 1st of November. But a month later in August, roads north of Waukegan near Racine, Wisconsin were judged undesirable.

So the contest would now start and end in Chicago. Contestants, again, not having their vehicles ready, petitioned for another extension of time. So it was again, rescheduled back to Thanksgiving day, November 28, and the contest from Chicago to Waukegan and back of only 92 miles. Then due to severe snow storm, 12 inches on the 25th of November, a couple of days before the event, coupled [00:16:00] with cold weather, winds, and snow drifts on race day, the contest distance was further reduced to 54 miles from Chicago to Evanston and back.

That gets me to. The question of where a newspaper reporter for the New York Herald described crowds in the first race in France, spurring American newspapers to attempt something like the 1894 Paris Durand race. So that begs the question, where in America should such an event take place? New York City?

Kokomo, Indiana? Allow me to suggest three reasons for the contest being held in Chicago. First, I don’t believe it’s a mere coincidence that the initial horseless carriage contest in France and the United States both followed in the sights of imagination and invention that in those days accompanied the world expositions.

Expositions provided opportunities for the newest developments in machinery, science, and technology. For example, the Paris Expo of 1889 saw escalators, diesels, and Electric cars and talking films. Chicago in [00:17:00] 1893 introduced the automatic dishwasher, fluorescent light bulbs, the zipper, and the first electric automobile in America initially developed in 1890.

There were only two horseless carriages at the Chicago World’s Fair, William Morrison’s electric carriage and Gottlieb Daimler’s gas engine quadricycle. It became apparent that the gas engine Daimler had the more lasting impact. Elwood Haynes, Ransom Olds, Charles and Frank Duryea, Henry Ford, Charles B.

King, William Packard, all visited the World’s Fair and examined the Daimler. They all came to recognize the gasoline engine was likely the better source of power for horseless carriages. Even William Steinway of Steinway Pianos saw merit in the gas engine Daimler. As his archives suggest, the American Daimler Motor Company produced a gas powered vehicle around 1895 or 1896.

And there was an additional link between inventors with curious minds and world’s fairs. Medals and awards were very popular, especially from world’s fairs in the decade 1890 to 1900. Paris in [00:18:00] 1889, Chicago in 1893, Brussels 1897, Paris in 1900. So it should come as no surprise that Kolstad in promoting this horseless carriage event would arrange to give awards for various aspects of engineering or design innovation coupled with a prestigious gold medal for the best horseless carriage.

My second reason for the race being in Chicago is bicycles. Albert Pope helped launch the cycling craze in America with the introduction of his Velocipede under the Columbia brand. And as you can see that same Columbia brand was later applied to automobiles. In 1890, American companies built 30, 000 bicycles.

60, 1894. By the mid to late 1800s, Chicago was the home to nearly 100 bicycle manufacturers. German immigrant Ignaz Schwinn came to America in 1890 to explore the bicycle industry. In 1895, he and a meatpacker, Adolf Arnold, formed Arnold Schwinn and Company. A year later, Schwinn built an electric car, but decided to proceed no further.

The [00:19:00] Rambler name was applied to a bicycle in Chicago prior to becoming a well recognized name in automobile history and moving to Chicago. You can see the transition from Velocipede to bicycle to automobile, but the bicycle craze was on the decline by the mid 1890s. Albert Pope tried to expand his Columbia bicycle business by hiring Hiram Percy Maxim under the Pope Manufacturing Columbia Motor Carriage firm.

Alexander Witten had a bicycle shop in Cleveland. He later founded Witten Motor Carriage. Most interesting, James Fink, author of America Adopts the Automobile 1895 to 1910 wrote, quote, no preceding technical innovation, not even the internal combustion engine was as important to the development of automobiles as the bicycle.

That gets to my third reason, transportation, proximity to transportation. Chicago had become the railroad Mecca of America. By the 1880s, Cord Scott pointed out that Chicago had been a central crossover point for rail and river shipping. So inventors had the opportunity to ship their cars to [00:20:00] Chicago rather than drive and risk any number of potential impediments, accidents, breakdowns, or bad weather.

And indeed that is exactly what RH Macy Benz, yes, that department store Macy, did after leaving New York for Chicago and getting no further than Schenectady. Bicycle department manager, Frank McPherson had the carriage loaded onto a train bound for Chicago. So a Chicago World’s Fair, Chicago is the bicycle capital of America and Chicago as a transportation hub, all contributed to explaining where the first auto race would be located.

This gets me to inventors and industrialists having briefly examined questions of what, why, when, and where. In closing, I am taking the liberty of selecting a few names who failed to garner the recognition of the Duryea brothers, much less the later luminaries such as Ransom Owls or Henry Ford.

Nevertheless, these three award winners were involved in the development of the horseless carriage from the outset. A bit about the endeavors of the second place finisher, the many automotive accomplishments of the umpire in that second place vehicle, and the electric [00:21:00] powered gold medal winner, all participants in that Thanksgiving Day contest.

Then there are two titans of industry I found to be of interest, plus a famous piano manufacturer. We know the race winner, Duryea Brothers, accredited with building the first automobile in America and going into production for a number of years, Duryea Motor Wagon, later Stevens Duryea. But what of Hieronymus Muller?

The driving force behind the second place, Mueller Benz. He was intrigued with the horseless carriage because during my interview with the Mueller museum director, she said either he, or perhaps his wife was afraid of horses. So he bought the Benz in April, 1895, refined it with such features as a reverse gear, water cooled radiator, newly designed spark plugs, all leading to patents.

While horseless carriages were a sideline to his very successful plumbing business. He did intend to go into production with his own motors, not a Benz motor. He built half a dozen vehicles, but in 1900, while working on one of his vehicles, he was exposed to open flame around gasoline fumes. The fire resulted in very serious burns that claimed his life.

His wife was so upset. She [00:22:00] told the Chaundra to sell the vehicles and the patents. Thus the brief history about the tragic ending of our second place finisher. Brings me to Charles B. King. Charles B. King was the umpire in that Mueller Bench, driven by Harroneth Mueller’s son, Oscar. King steered that Mueller Bench to second place, as Oscar was either overcome by the wind, snow, and cold weather, or as another tale suggests, Oscar was given a flask, whiskey, from which to drink to keep his insides warm.

Accepting that Oscar may not have been accustomed to alcohol, this apparently had a very negative consequence as he was unable to continue driving. But back to Charles B. Smith. He was an inventor who, like many others, could not finish his vehicle, a four cylinder, four stroke engine in time for the race, but the vehicle became the first car on the streets in Detroit in 1896.

He drove Woodward Avenue long before the Woodward Avenue Dream Cruise. A tale often suggests that he was followed that day in a bicycle by none other than Henry Ford. King was a prodigious inventor with 40 patents. He won the prize at the Columbia Exposition in [00:23:00] Chicago, was recognized for engineering prowess at home, connected for a time with ransom oals, and abroad had the opportunity to participate in the 1894 race Paris Rouen with the Stintz Gas Engine Company.

Developed the first eight cylinder engine, left hand drive, proposed the American Motor League, which many of the automobile pioneers merged into, and in 1904, became AAA, American Automobile Association. He helped Henry Ford, working at the time for Edison in Detroit, build his quadricycle. And later he formed the Automobile Old Timers in 1939, which today is the automotive hall of fame in Dearborn.

Brings me to the Electrobat. This is the electric powered vehicle, nicknamed the Electrobat by Morris and Solem of Philadelphia, which won the gold medal. The publication Motorcycle, parroting the awards committee wrote, Morris and Solem get the gold medal in the Electrobat, notwithstanding the fact that they did not go over the course, but the general excellence of the machine was shown so decidedly in its official tests that this award must [00:24:00] meet with the hearty approval of all interested in the perfect development of the motorcycle.

The carriage is very economical, in power, to say nothing of almost complete absence of noise, vibration, total absence of heat and odor. Yet Charles B. King suggests the award was not without some consternation among contestants. And in fact, in March, 1896, Veronimus Mueller has a letter to the editor that appears in Horseless Age, noting that quote, it seems as if there was no first prize as the carriage coming in first received the 2, 000, but did not receive the gold medal for reasons best known to the judges.

Morrison Salem announced that they had plans to manufacture, sail, and rent their vehicles. But in 1897, Morrison Salem sold off their enterprise, which was later reincorporated and insured by Albert Pope and the Columbia Automobile Company. And as for electricity, Alexander Witten said, electric vehicles clogged the market, but in the end, opinion turned to gasoline because it was clean, safe, and dependable.

Which brings me to the tycoons of the world of electricity. [00:25:00] Westinghouse and Edison competed for the contract to light the 1893 Columbia exposition. Westinghouse underbid Edison and won. In 1895, George Westinghouse is said to have started work on a gas engine. I found no activity of note until 1901 when Westinghouse purchased patents of hub motors, which produced a few electric cars in Chicago.

In 1905, Westinghouse introduced gas powered vehicles designed in Pittsburgh, but manufactured by Westinghouse in France, production ceased in 1907, and Edison said in November of 1895, 17th of November issue of New York World, quote, the horse is doomed. The horseless vehicle is the coming wonder. Will these vehicles be run by electricity?

I don’t think so. As it looks at present, it would seem more likely that they will be run by a gasoline or naphtha motor of some kind. It’s quite possible, however, that an electrical storage battery will be discovered, which will prove more economical. But at present, the gasoline or naphtha motor looks more promising.

And on that Edison never gave up, hoping to develop [00:26:00] better performing batteries. He started in 1899 on an alkaline storage battery that took 10 years to perfect. By then the Model T was on its way to cementing its place in the automobile world, Edison patented an electric car, building three in 1912, but they never went into production.

It’s been suggested that Henry Ford partnered with Edison around 1914 to explore options for low cost electric cars. I did not pursue it. That gets me to Steinway, Steinway of piano fame founded American Daimler motor company in 1888 building motors using American rights to Daimler patents. They were used primarily for stationary machines and boats.

Steinway company had good woodworking knowledge for boat building, having been producing pianos. The archives suggest that there was a vehicle produced around 1895. Steinway dies in 1896 and the firm was declared worthless. Following Steinway’s death, a new Daimler manufacturing company was formed in 1898, takes over the business of Daimler Motor and produces the first Mercedes made in America and [00:27:00] continues in production until 1913.

And if you visit the Mercedes Benz Public Archives or the Mercedes Benz Group magazine, you’ll note Mercedes Benz still celebrates its original adventure with William Steinway. Writing of the Thanksgiving Day Race, America’s oldest literary magazine, Yale Review summed it up with these words, Thus, amid praise and ridicule, our pioneer motorists made their first feeble assaults upon the barriers of space that one man had built and another could keep motion.

Strong in this faith, they suffered, endured, and conquered. Yale Review, December, 1895. So with that, I’d like to thank you for your attention. Allow me to share the source information from my slides by thanking IMRRC and SAH, as well as my son and daughter for their assistance in cropping, arranging, coloring, and sizing some of the images.

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Highlights

Skip ahead if you must… Here’s the highlights from this episode you might be most interested in and their corresponding time stamps.

  • 00:00 Introduction and Sponsors
  • 00:16 The 1895 Horseless Carriage Contest Overview
  • 00:37 Presenter Background: David Schmidt
  • 01:21 Significance of the 1895 Race
  • 02:53 Race Day Preparations and Challenges
  • 07:10 The Thanksgiving Day Race
  • 08:44 Post-Race Analysis and Awards
  • 10:07 Impact and Legacy of the 1895 Race
  • 10:43 Why the 1895 Race Was Held
  • 11:29 The Role of the Chicago Times Herald
  • 14:56 Rescheduling and Final Preparations
  • 16:08 The Birth of American Auto Racing
  • 16:28 Why Chicago?
  • 18:18 The Bicycle Craze and Its Influence
  • 19:44 Chicago: The Transportation Hub
  • 20:30 Unsung Heroes of the Horseless Carriage
  • 21:18 The Tragic Tale of Hieronymus Muller
  • 22:06 Charles B. King: A Prodigious Inventor
  • 23:36 The Electrobat: An Electric Pioneer
  • 24:56 The Battle of Electric vs. Gasoline
  • 26:23 Steinway’s Automotive Adventure
  • 27:34 Conclusion and Acknowledgements

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The judges faced a dilemma: all three finishers had violated race rules. Some went off course, others were pushed, and one didn’t finish in time. Yet awards were still given:

  • $2,000 to Duryea for best road performance
  • $1,500 to Mueller for economy and reliability
  • Gold Medal to Morris & Salom’s Electrobat (an electric vehicle) for design and cleanliness – even though it didn’t complete the course

The awards reflected not just race results, but technical testing conducted beforehand using a dynamometer provided by Studebaker Brothers. These tests measured fuel consumption, horsepower, and grade-climbing ability – making this event the first scientific evaluation of motor vehicles in America.


Forgotten Innovators and Tragic Tales

While the Duryea brothers went on to automotive fame, others faded into obscurity:

  • Hieronymus Mueller, whose fear of horses led him to refine a Benz with reverse gear and water cooling, died from burns sustained while working on one of his vehicles.
  • Charles B. King, umpire in the Mueller Benz, later drove the first car on Detroit’s streets and helped Henry Ford build his quadricycle.
  • Morris & Salom, creators of the Electrobat, sold their enterprise to Albert Pope, who folded it into the Columbia Automobile Company.

Legacy and Reflection

Three reasons made Chicago the ideal host:

  1. The 1893 World’s Fair showcased electric cars and gas engines, inspiring inventors like Ford, Olds, and Duryea.
  2. The Bicycle Boom: Chicago was home to nearly 100 bicycle manufacturers, including Schwinn and Rambler—many of whom pivoted to automobiles.
  3. Transportation Hub: With railroads crisscrossing the city, inventors could ship their vehicles rather than risk driving them.

The race also highlighted the battle between electric and gasoline propulsion. Edison believed gasoline was more promising, though he spent a decade developing better batteries. Westinghouse dabbled in electric cars but eventually abandoned the effort. Steinway, the piano maker, even built gas engines under Daimler patents before his death ended the venture.

The Yale Review captured the spirit of the event best: “Thus, amid praise and ridicule, our pioneer motorists made their first feeble assaults upon the barriers of space… Strong in this faith, they suffered, endured, and conquered.”

The 1895 Chicago Times-Herald race wasn’t just a contest – it was a crucible of invention, ambition, and resilience. It marked the moment America began to take the wheel from Europe, setting the stage for a century of automotive innovation.

This episode is sponsored in part by: The International Motor Racing Research Center (IMRRC), The Society of Automotive Historians (SAH), The Watkins Glen Area Chamber of Commerce, and the Argetsinger Family – and was recorded in front of a live studio audience.


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In the 51st episode of ‘The Drive Thru,’ the hosts deviate from their traditional discussions to present the Ultimate Holiday Shopping Guide curated specifically for car enthusiasts. Sponsored by major automotive brands, this episode features a variety of gift ideas, from model cars and Lego sets to high-end watches and automotive art. Guest appearances include Don Weberg from Garage Style Magazine and William Ross from The Exotic Car Marketplace who share their top picks for automotive-themed gifts. The episode also includes exclusive discount codes and promotions for products like Auxito LED headlights, Owner’s Pride detailing chemicals, and more. Additionally, charitable organizations related to automotive causes and opportunities for holiday giving are highlighted. Motorsports-oriented items and events like track day gift cards, memberships, and special motorsport tickets are also recommended. The episode wraps up with fun rich people gifts and novel car accessories, ensuring there’s something for every enthusiast this holiday season.

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So what do you get for the enthusiast that already has all their toys?  – want to add to the list? Comment below! Below are all the articles, links and videos we talk about in this episode.

GTGlow Car Lamp

Without decor that aligns with your interests, your space can feel mundane. Introducing the GTGlow Car Lamp lighting solution that brings the legendary light into your home. ... [READ MORE]

LeMans Fall Collection

Check out the LeMans Store, their new fall collection is pretty hot, especially the 1959 inspired Shelby Leather jackets - become a member of the ACO USA and save nearly $60 euros on this item, but there’s tons of discounts on everything in the LeMans store.  ... [READ MORE]

"Malibu Ross" by Playforever Toys

On your marks get set go! You can almost hear the roar of the engine as Malibu stands poised, ready for the race. Drawing inspiration from the early Maserati Formula 1 cars of the 20s and 30s but with a modern Playforever twist, our Malibu racing car is built for speed. With a pure and simple cigar tube chassis, long nose and wide open mouth, its shape is sleek and stream-lined whilst its wide profile, low-to-the-ground rubber tyres give it a bold confidence to rival all others at the starting grid. Fierce, but just as fast, Malibu is slightly smaller than the rest of our collection, proving that when it comes to speed, size isn't everything. ... [READ MORE]

CarArt.us

What could be better than an original piece of art commissioned by a professional artist covering you and your car? An original original if ever there was one. Or, perhaps a nice print from a pro – or the original. It can be a masterful gift idea for the automotive enthusiast. ... [READ MORE]

Green Porsche 911 Canvas

Green Porsche Poster - is modern wall art decor for your home and office. This Porsche Poster help you transform your interior and create a pleasant atmosphere at your living room or office. Porsche 911 canvas print ready to hang with hooks. ... [READ MORE]

Isle of Man TT Limited Edition

Bremont reveals the Isle of Man TT 2022 Limited Edition as it continues its timing partnership with the world’s greatest road race, one of the last great challenges in motorsport and the ultimate test of both man and machine. The new 43mm Bremont Isle of Man TT chronograph comes in a steel Trip-Tick case, featuring a bi-directional rotating, ceramic bezel and 42 hour power reserve. The black dial is decorated with the Isle of Man TT logo at the 6 Hour position whilst a subtle debossing of the Isle of Man triskelion can be seen on the 3 Hour sub-dial. Turning the watch over reveals a closed case back decorated with the map of the TT mountain racecourse in relief, complemented by a black rubber strap, the perfect combination for high endurance motorsports. ... [READ MORE]

Race Master Chronograph GLF

Nothing like a nice timepiece, especially when it’s inclined to motorsports. The Ferro & Company watch story is the stuff that dreams are made of, and one of their products is the Race Master Chronograph. Measuring 39 mm, the brushed 316L stainless steel case and domed crystal construction are remarkable. German made with Japanese movement, it features a C3 illumination and soft Italian racing-style straps. ... [READ MORE]

Allure - Manual Chronograph - Blue

A maker of fine, motorsports-inspired watches, one of our favorites is the Allure line. Available in a multitude of colors and faces, our favorite features the perforated blue leather strap, 39 mm case with sapphire crystal, and blue face. Assembled in France ... [READ MORE]

Leather Driving Gloves

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Reedyville Goods

With some of the finest reproduction signs in the business, Reedyville Goods aims to please with a huge selection of signs ranging from the food and beverage industries to humor signs to the automotive signs to circus signs to tobacco signs to the gas and oil signs – the sky is kind of the limit. Nicely too, if you want to create your own signs, Reedyville can make them for you. In fact, Garage Style Magazine’s Garage Tour Award signs were made by Reedyville Goods. One of our favorite signs is the El Mirage sign pictured – very unique, we’ve never seen anything quite like it.  ... [READ MORE]

Busted Knuckle Garage: Bar Stools

With a plethora of items to choose from, the BKG brand has become synonymous with humor and good times in the garage with a touch of nostalgia. Their barstools are second to none, and each features great designs. Our favorite is the winged spark plug ... [READ MORE]

Route 66 by ZYMOL

Blending their love for natural ingredients and the open road, the Zymol Wax Company recently released their all-new Route 66 product line. The complete kit is packaged in a special box and contains a wash, a spray wax, and a microfiber – and this kit can be personalized with a picture of your favorite ride on the box. Very nice touch. Nicely priced, it’s the perfect Holiday Gift!  ... [READ MORE]

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Bob’s book includes quotes that he chose to shed light on the creative process. They were made by artists that he admires. And unexpectedly, his auto racing paintings enabled him to befriend a generation of remarkable people involved with American road racing. Many of those are no longer with us, and their quotes are also included and offer first-person insights and perspectives on the sport. Bob believes there’s a shared state of mind between artists and race drivers. Perhaps it’s a reliance on intuition along with a constant striving for perfection. If you’d like to pick up a copy of Bob’s book “One Track Mind: The Art of Bob Gillespie” you can logon to www.glenspeed.art to order a copy for yourself or someone you know that would enjoy a wonderful book like this too. 

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Lee Anne Patterson’s expertise includes designing and building turn-key programs, developing visionary business networking strategies, designing results-oriented marketing programs, and coordinating activation with measurable results including good-cause marketing elements. The Trouble with Howard, Lee Anne’s first children’s book – A book created by racers, about racers, for racers – Is now available for sale, and you can pick up a copy at www.troublewithhoward.com

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Kelly’s past works include the Formula One/CIA spy thriller Deadly Driver, The Export Series, Found In Time, The Lost Pulse, and the autobiography Fuelin’ Around.

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A French Kiss with Death
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Tales From the Garage
Geared for Life: Making the Shift Into Your Full Potential
Ultimate Garages
Fenders, Fins & Friends: Confessions of a Car Guy
Racing While Black: How an African-American Stock Car Team Made Its Mark on NASCAR
The Last Lap: The Mysterious Demise of Pete Kreis at The Indianapolis 500
James Dean: On The Road To Salinas
Performance Thinking: Mental Skills for the Competitive World...and for Life!
The Other Side of the Fence: Six Decades of Motorsport Photography
Racing with Rich Energy
Little Anton: A Historical Novel Complete Series
Lone Rider: The First British Woman to Motorcycle Around the World
Iacocca: An Autobiography
Colin Chapman: The Man and His Cars: The Authorized Biography by Gerard Crombac
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Executive Producer Tania: [00:00:00] The Drive Thru is our monthly news episode and is sponsored in part by organizations like HPTEJunkie. com, CollectorCarGuide. net, Project Motoring, Garage Style Magazine, The Exotic Car Marketplace, and many others. If you are interested in becoming a sponsor of The Drive Thru, look no further than www.

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Crew Chief Brad: Oh, welcome to the drive through episode number 51, but instead of our regularly scheduled ranting and raving, we’re back with the ultimate holiday shopping guide for the petrol heads in your life that might not have everything yet. So let’s pull up to window number one or some great gift ideas. [00:01:00]

Crew Chief Eric: And we’ve got a packed sleigh tonight, joining our standard drive thru crew of Crew Chief Brad, Executive Producer Tanya, and myself.

We are visited by Don Wieberg from Garage Style Magazine as Santa Claus, and William Ross from the Exotic Car Marketplace as his helper elf, and our, what’s the word, most returning est guest host ever. Right, William?

William Ross: Seems to be, yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, like all holiday drive thrus gone by, we will be visited by three ghosts.

The ghost of drive thrus past, the ghost of Christmas presents, pun intended, and the ghost of break fix guests yet to come.

Crew Chief Brad: That was a terrible dad joke. I’m done. Bye. I’ll see you later. You cringe? Yes. My heart grew three sizes then.

Crew Chief Eric: How big is that? Cause you’re a big guy. So if it’s three, nevermind. On top of that, this is one of my favorite episodes because this is when we get to do a little bit of show and tell.

So if you’re watching this on Patrion behind the scenes, you’ll get to see us actually [00:02:00] demonstrate some of these gifts if we have them with us. So I’m really excited to see what we came up with in typical GTM tradition. Let’s kick it off with some general gift ideas. So Brad, what do you got for us this year?

Crew Chief Brad: Well, I fall victim to the Instagram marketing campaigns. All the time. And this one came across my desk. It’s a GT glow car lamp, mostly different Porsches. And then there’s like a, an F 40 and you know, some other different things. E30 M3. Don’t know why that is part of this list, you know, with all these better cars.

But anyway, if you’re interested, it’s a vernia. store.

Crew Chief Eric: I have also seen these on the Instagrams and have clicked on it many times, but what’s special about this is they’re running basically a 50 percent sale right now. You can pick up one of these. GT glow lamps for 54 bucks and who wouldn’t want a black nine 64 turbo for 54.

That thing looks awesome.

Crew Chief Brad: I think they’re pretty sweet looking. Yes, I agree. 54. If you’ve ever been down the lamp and [00:03:00] lighting aisle at your local target, well, maybe not Walmart because China. You’ll see that this lamp is actually reasonably priced compared to the other crap that they’ve got there.

Crew Chief Eric: And to use your phrasing, this lamp identifies as a Porsche,

Crew Chief Brad: except for the weird one that identifies as an E30 M3,

Crew Chief Eric: that does not fit

Crew Chief Brad: this.

That lamp is just confused.

Don Weberg: Did I make a Yugo version?

Crew Chief Brad: You go somewhere else, Don.

Don Weberg: No, the beauty of it is you don’t need a light bulb because you know, every time you turn the little thing, it won’t start.

Crew Chief Brad: The E30 M3 one just blinks.

Don Weberg: The hazard

Crew Chief Eric: lights.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, the hazard lights just blinked the whole time.

Crew Chief Eric: Speaking of that Yugo lamp, Don, you might not find that on Avernia’s website, but you might find that at an auction out of somebody’s garage.

Don Weberg: In fact, you might just get the whole full size Yugo and just attach a whole bunch of lights to it. Then you have your indoor lighting. You hang it from the ceiling like a chandelier.

Crew Chief Brad: I would think you just light a match and you light it like a candle. One time use, you go. Yeah, you could do that.

Crew Chief Eric: [00:04:00] So, Don, you’re the guru of garages and auctions and classic cars and things like that. Why should we think about an auction for holiday shopping?

Don Weberg: I mean, if you’re referring to Meekamontime.

That is an excellent place to go because Mecham on time is the newest and the latest and the greatest from the Mecham auction company. Have I said Mecham enough times already, Eric?

Crew Chief Eric: The algorithms are still processing it.

Don Weberg: No, what’s fun about going to something like an auction and it could be Mecham on time.

It could be eBay. It could be any of them, but you know, you get a lot more. Personal when you go to an auction, because I can go to an auction and let’s say, you know, a Knight writer guy. So you think to yourself, well, what do you really like? Let’s key in Knight Writer and see what the search brings up.

You have this whole smorgasbord of Knight writer things that you can choose from, and then when you’re buying that little Knight writer piece for that, somebody they think to themselves, wow. This is really awesome. They put a lot of thought into this. It’s not like we just went running off to Walmart or Target or wherever and just bought whatever was on the shelf.

No, we actually put a little thought into this [00:05:00] and went out of our way a little bit to buy it at an auction. And some auctions, they have the buy it now price. So you’re not even dilly dallying with bidding and outbidding and all that stuff. You just. Go in there and pay the fee and, and you’re done.

Crew Chief Eric: And you drew that parallel between eBay and Mecum there just to use two names, but on time, as we learned from Melissa Smith, when you and I got together with her, that’s their online version of a in person Mecum auction.

So you don’t have to worry about cause Simi’s in January. So that’s too far away to buy a gift. And I just missed Dallas and Las Vegas and all the other ones on time. Is it 365? Seven days a week operation. And you could be shopping there year round for gifts for people. So I think that’s pretty awesome.

Don Weberg: Yeah, it’s a lot of fun. And I mean, you know, the brainchild behind it, the Genesis was meet them. Just speaking to them specifically, they always have a lot of clients that come to them and they want to sell entire collections and they have a garage full of cars and they have a garage full of stuff that goes with the cars, not necessarily going with the cars, but you know, you have your [00:06:00] little collectibles all over the wall.

That stuff was always really, really hard for them to move. Yeah. With online capabilities, they decided, why don’t we just bring this in house? We’ll handle it exactly the way we handle our cars. We’ll control the auction. We’ll take the pictures. We’ll put it up online, promote it. And it’s been going pretty good.

2025 Mecham has a lot of stuff lined up for their own time and they’re devoting more resources to it. They’re beefing it up. They’re getting more people on board. They’re promoting it more heavily. They really are giving it much more of a serious consideration because when they put it out there. At first to the Meekins, it was kind of just a, yeah, we need this little side effect just because it’s a natural evil that we have to take care of.

But as time rolled on, they realized, boy, people like this, they’re selling here. They’re bringing us their stuff and they want us to sell it. And a lot of die cast goes to, as I say, sell a lot of die cast stuff, but it’s ranching out. They’re getting a little bit more automobile, which is interesting because, you know, they have their road art division, which is their.

Fancy term for automobilia. It’s [00:07:00] interesting to watch the Meekam on time and the automobilia division kind of cross paths a little bit. It’s like watching the two circles go over each other. So you’re getting more and more interesting, really interesting stuff coming to Meekam on time. It’s really fun to watch that division grow.

Crew Chief Eric: I need to check that out. I need to go there because to your point, you never know what you’re going to come across, but. Like other online auction sites, you can set up reminders, you can set up triggers, you can set up alerts, this kind of item appeared, all those things that you’d be accustomed to, like with eBay and YouBid and some of the other places.

They’ve got everything you’re looking for, but if you’re a petrol head, it’s definitely the place to check out. So I can’t speak highly enough about it, especially for the holidays. If you’re in a bind and you’re looking for something interesting, there’s always something on, on time. So switching gears to, A section of shopping that I think is near and dear to all of our panelists here.

We’re going to talk about model cars, Legos, and the virtual world. So Tanya, what’s on the list this year?

Executive Producer Tania: First one on the list is a set of Lego like cars. It’s actually [00:08:00] the Lego competitor mega previously known as mega blocks, which is now all owned by Mattel. So they were kind of the lesser known Lego competitor, but they’ve got a set of Hot Wheels and Fired racing cars, compete with speed champions of Lego, and I found two of the four offerings, which happened to be an Audi R eight and an RS six concept.

I found them at my local grocery store, ,

Crew Chief Eric: and I happen

Executive Producer Tania: to have

Crew Chief Eric: them right here. They’re super cool. I don’t

Executive Producer Tania: recall what the other two are, but I believe

Crew Chief Eric: the back of the package does say. It is a Corvette C2 Stingray race car followed by the Cadillac CTS V race car.

Executive Producer Tania: There you go. I think you can also find them at Target and Amazon if you’re looking.

Don’t have to go down the grocery store toy aisle.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh wait. Oh wait, there’s more. They have a bigger size of these things and I picked one of these up when I was with William. And this is the basically one 18th scale. There’s only a handful of these in terms of [00:09:00] models. This is the Audi 90 GTO that Hans Stuck and Hurley Haywood drove back in the early nineties, but there’s also a Corvette stingray version.

And then they also show a hot rod and then another. Cadillac. So there’s four different models in this larger size as well. And this is a almost thousand piece model that you put together. So pretty cool. Also available at target.

Don Weberg: No, no. I was just going to ask, do they have a price for a TC? No, that’s where they made the mistake,

Crew Chief Brad: but they have a Cadillac.

So it may be in a long day.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, we’re getting there. Yeah. That’s a little Walker in the back. I heard those smaller sets, Tanya, what do they run? Like 14 bucks. Something like that. And this bigger one was right around 80, which is not a bad price when you compare it to Lego. So they’re trying to kind of take a bite out of that market because Mattel can take a swing like that.

Really curious to see what additional designs they come up with and who they can get licensing from, which you think wouldn’t be that hard considering they own Hot Wheels.

Executive Producer Tania: So earlier [00:10:00] this year, Lego actually had an announcement on a future partnership with F1 beginning in 2025 seasons. So it’s not actually a new partnership because you can actually already get F1 Lego cars.

They’ve got the McLaren, the Mercedes, and they’ve got the older Senna. Now they’ve got a bit of a cloak and dagger announcement that there’s. Quote, a new signing for the 2025 F1 season. We’re bringing the thrill of Formula One to LEGO fans of all ages with builds featuring all teams on the grid, plus loads of exciting extra content.

They say drive back to this page for future thrills right from their website. You’ll be able

Crew Chief Eric: to buy a LEGO Haas.

Executive Producer Tania: And then you can crash it. A hundred percent.

Crew Chief Brad: Well, Haas is already using Lego Haases.

Crew Chief Eric: I want the rich energy version of the Haas Lego rich energy. That’s what I need. So we’re still talking about Lego here.

I picked up two this year to add to my burgeoning collection of these things. I don’t know why I keep buying them. I love

Crew Chief Brad: how Eric’s already bought all these gifts.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, I gotta have something to show for the episode, right? So I’ve got the [00:11:00] Countach. Last year, I talked about the Ferrari that I bought.

I’ve got a couple other ones in the box. But this year, I picked up the Ken Block Audi e tron Speed Champions set. This came in at 25 before they raised the price on them. They were 20 for the longest time, and then they went up to about 24. So I grabbed this one basically at the beginning of this year after the holiday season.

And then Day one, I went and stood in line and I got myself the F40. Oh yeah. I bought two. I mean, it’s awesome. It’s not as nice as some of the previous F40 stuff that Lego has done with Ferrari. But I think this is really cool because it’s been a minute since they’ve done something Ferrari and hoping for.

Testarossa, I’m hoping for something else, right? Cause they’ve done some other Ferraris in the past.

William Ross: Fingers crossed. Yeah. You know, and one tip for everyone out there that’s listening is don’t just look on the shelves, look up on the top shelf, look behind stuff. Cause stuff gets hidden and put in places where it shouldn’t be.

So don’t get discouraged if you walk in the aisle and don’t see it right away through. Start digging through [00:12:00] everything because you’d be surprised at what you’ll end up finding hidden and whatnot. Yeah. You can

Crew Chief Brad: also ask and see if they have anything in the back too.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, there you go. For the real Lego files out there.

I will remind you that if you’re not what they used to call VIPs, now it’s called Lego insiders. Sign up for free. You can order this today. stuff off Lego’s website, you get all these points and then the points turn into cash and you can get stuff for free and all that. But there are deals with Walmart and Target that if you purchase kits there that you can then take your QR codes or whatever it is that comes with the box and still get points towards your VIP and then get free cool stuff.

Check out lego. com, sign up for an account, get all that stuff done because it’s definitely worth it if you’re a collector because you might be able to buy that F40 or some other kit for free. But I also want to remind people, don’t forget to look at the blockzone. com. These are guys that post a lot of their designs up on rebrickable.

com and you can order all the parts necessary to build, let’s say Marty’s Toyota four by [00:13:00] four or. The Falcon XBGT from Mad Max, you know, other cars like that. They don’t have traditional names. You can’t go and look up Ford XBGT. It’s called like the interceptor or whatever. They got all these made up names to kind of avoid the licensing and all those kinds of things.

But there’s some really, really cool kits on the block zone. Some really interesting stuff that you won’t find. At lego, but it’s mostly lego parts that you’re ordering and then get the instructions and build your own little collection that way. So it’s pretty cool and their prices are really reasonable and they run promotions and sales all year long.

But especially during christmas time

Executive Producer Tania: shifting gears to video games. There’s a new installment in the test drive unlimited franchise That’s Test Drive Unlimited Solar Crown. You know, one of these free roaming racing video games trying to compete with the likes of Forza Horizon. This particular one takes place in Hong Kong and features some sort of street gang rival situation where I think at the very beginning of the game you gotta choose your side and then you’re racing to essentially win [00:14:00] the Solar Crown and I guess to have all the glory of your street gang.

But it’s available on all the majors, Nintendo, PlayStation, Xbox, and PC.

Crew Chief Eric: Jimmy Broadbent. Did a two and a half hour review of test drive, silver crown, which I don’t recommend watching the TLDR the too long. Didn’t read is I might still buy it. Anyways, Don, we should talk about real model cars. It wouldn’t be fair if we didn’t give a shout out to Rick shod, the Pope of plastic.

Don Weberg: Yeah, that guy’s amazing.

Rick Schad: You want to find me, please. Don’t be scared of Tik TOK for crying out loud. Don’t believe all the hype. Go to at the pope of plastic on TikTok, at the Pope of plastic on TikTok, also on Instagram at the Pope of plastic. On, on, uh, LinkedIn. You can always find me at Rick Shad.

R-I-C-K-S-C-H-A-D. I’ve usually post all my models on LinkedIn. That’s kind of where I got my start, my first commission. came, believe it or not, from LinkedIn and I build anything. It doesn’t have to be cars. I build anything, planes, boats, tanks, cars, it doesn’t matter. So if you’re [00:15:00] interested in having something really special, please reach out to me.

You can also email me at the Pope of plastic at Gmail. Love to have you all come and visit me. If you come and watch me and tick tock live, just tell me you saw me. I’d love to say hi and feel free to ask me any questions and I need to do a model for you guys. We need to do a Kootosh and a Porsche.

Crew Chief Eric: Have you bought anything from our friend Patrick Strong at Model Citizen?

Don Weberg: You know as well as I do what I bought from him and it was a little while ago that I bought it so I don’t know if it still qualifies for your show. Does it still qualify? You gotta buy it in this calendar year. Then I haven’t bought anything from him.

Crew Chief Eric: That’s okay, I made up the difference for you.

Don Weberg: I figured you

Crew Chief Eric: would.

He posted on social, and I hate this word but I’m gonna say it, it was serendipitous because I just got done a project with Professor Summers, the motoring historian. The next day, he posts. I’ve got Ari Vatanen’s Peugeot 205 Turbo T16 in stock, and I had to have it. Immediately was like, boom, buy it now, send it to me.

He sent me a personal handwritten [00:16:00] message thanking me. He was like so surprised. It’s one of the first people to buy it from him. And he said he had me in mind when he’s been looking at more Group B rally cars to have in his inventory. Because remember, he curates everything that he has in stock. So I thought this was super cool.

I could not resist buying it. It looks awesome. It opens in every which direction. It’s extremely detailed. It’s an absolute joy to have in my ever growing selection of cars here.

Patrick Strong: I typically do a kind of a low key Black Friday, Cyber Monday sale in that I just put a lot of stuff on Markdown. I don’t do a special promotion with, you know, here’s your percentage discount or buy two get one free or anything like that.

It’s just things get put into the sales section. So week after Thanksgiving, I’d be looking for that to happen. The best way to find out about deals like that is to get on our mailing list. We’re not spamming. We only send emails out to let people know about new products or events where we’re going to be.

Whether you are a veteran collector with very finely honed [00:17:00] taste, or whether you are new to the hobby, modelcitizendicast. com is a great place to find a Very tightly focused selection of exquisite model cars. And if you are new to the hobby, my contact info is readily available there, and I’m always happy to answer any questions you might have.

Model citizen die cast.com is a great place to start or continue your journey as a die cast model collector.

Crew Chief Eric: So model citizen die cast for your one 18th scale and. high end 164th scale. Now that’s something else that Patrick is carrying in his inventory is 164th scale cars. And I wanted to show off some that I got this year, which I thought were super cool.

So Hot Wheels, as we know, and we talked about with Patrick, they’re doing these premium collections, very expensive for the size. You’re talking 12 Hot Wheels. And it’s like, who’s the hell is going to spend 12 bucks on Hot Wheels? Well, this idiot does stuff like that. This is one of my favorites. I’ve got the Fiat race car carrier with an [00:18:00] Abarth 131 rally car and the homologation version, all in premium.

I mean, this in my hands is probably, I hate to say, it’s 40 bucks worth of car in my hands, but extremely detailed, sticky tires, you know, really cool wheels. Everything’s almost looks like it’s hand painted versus the way they stamp things out. This is super cool. All the actual livery from back in the seventies and whatnot.

So they’re producing some really, really high quality stuff right from Mattel.

Don Weberg: You know, it’s funny you say 40 bucks, like it’s expensive and I guess it kind of is for such tiny little cars. But if you can appreciate the quality. I think all of a sudden that 40, it just kind of goes away. The

Crew Chief Eric: problem is it snowballs, especially with the one 18th scale cars, because I have a big enough, let’s call it garage for my one 18th scale cars.

But I realized I was missing something, the service stand. I thought this was so cool. Oh yeah. You gotta have that. So this is the shells oils [00:19:00] version. They have a bunch of different ones of these Exxon and VP racing and whatnot. I really like this one. The color scheme of the yellow and red of the shell, but this holds pretty much any one 18th scale car and you can lift it.

You can park another car underneath of it. So if you want to really kind of maximize your space or make a really cool display with multiple cars, it is die cast as well. So it’s actually quite heavy, fabulously painted and detailed. It even has the alignment racks and stuff. I found this online. I hate to say I bought this on Amazon.

I can’t remember the manufacturer off the top of my head, but if you search one 18th scale. Stands these come up alongside of like the acrylic cases and some of the other stuff that’s out there So for the same kind of money as a plastic box, I thought this was really cool

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, those stands are a lot of fun.

It makes changing their imaginary oil a lot easier, too

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, and you know, what’s funny? I have to park the nine 11 backwards because otherwise it doesn’t align right on the way these plates are made. Cause it’s all kind of set up for a front mount car. It’s [00:20:00] really interesting. Again, the detail is really, really cool and very lifelike.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. Speaking of premium high end ways again, Instagram, you know, marketing campaign. This company play forever. They make these really nice premium children’s toys. They’re all cars, you know, designed after some of our favorites. Obviously, as you mentioned earlier, you know, to get around the copyright, they can’t call them, you know, what they actually are, but there’s a very nice Porsche look alike, a nice Lamborghini looks like a charger or a Mustang.

A lot of race cars and things like that. They’re made with very durable, high quality plastics painted with UV proof paint. So it’s all child friendly. They’ve got soft rubber tires, really nice toys. They say they last a lifetime. You know, I believe it looking at the quality of these things and they’re actually quite large.

You know, they’re not one 64th scale. They’re probably one 43rd or in between maybe one 32nd, but they’re really nice cars. I’ve been looking to get a couple for the boys for Christmas. You should definitely check them out. It’s play forever. us.

Crew Chief Eric: I like this Malibu [00:21:00] Ross. Did you see that William? I saw that one.

Crew Chief Brad: I think that should be his new nickname. Sadly it’s sold out. My favorite one is the UFO Leonisa.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah. Which is basically a Lamborghini. Coontosh.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. It looks like a coontosh. I really liked the scaling. It looks like some of those graphic shirts that are like spray painted and stuff. It, it’s like one of those brought to life with the really oversized wheels and everything.

It looks to me, they look really, really cool.

Crew Chief Eric: Model cars and Legos. Aren’t the only things you can fill your shelves with. If you’re a collector. The other thing that we always like to bring up during this episode is the books, especially those of us that are automotive historians. I don’t think there’s enough books that we can get our hands on.

There’s always something. There’s something new coming out or a new way to look at history or a particular story or driver or event or, you know, situation or crash, you know, that happened. There’s just a plethora of books and we always have the distinct privilege of having many authors on the show throughout the year.

We had author Leanne Patterson on the show [00:22:00] who wrote a children’s book based on the true life events of another break fix guest. Anita Milliken and her husband Howard. And so it’s all about their adventures, actually adopting a baby skunk, and making it part of their race team, and how it was involved in the paddocks, and they would take it around with them, things like that.

So the book is called The Trouble with Howard, but I’ll let Leanne tell you a little bit more about the book and how you can get a copy of it.

LeeAnne Patterson: Who wants to get into trouble? And just in time for Christmas. Before you gift the Trouble with Howard to your favorite little racer, be sure to fill out your pit pass. There’s a place for your crew member name, a team affiliation that you can make up, and then you’ve issued the book to them. So make sure that you sign your name there.

And then once they’ve issued that pit pass, they can go through the gates and into the story. The end sheets are also filled with fun racing bits. For instance, at the start of the story, Anita and Howard are enjoying pizza from Maria’s, but at the end of the story, it’s Aldo. Now, what [00:23:00] famous twin brothers do we know named Mario and Aldo?

There are 27 other things that are different. Perhaps you can find them all. Roger Warwick is an amazing artist. And he loves racing, too. You’ll find that throughout the book, things look just like they do with the racetrack. And just in time for Christmas, you can use the code GETINTOTROUBLE. With the purchase of a book, that code will give you any two other items, including trouble, including trouble.

We’re 15 percent off and as always orders over 50 are always free shipping. So get into trouble this Christmas and your little racers will be inspired to always dream big.

Crew Chief Eric: Are you a fan of the 24 hours of Lamont? Well, we’ve got something very special for you. An offer of up to 50 percent off. All the Lamar yearbooks.

You can feel the rush of adrenaline as you navigate each chapter, almost as if you were in the cockpit yourself. You can relive the excitement of every 24 hours of Lamar race through these yearbooks. You can recall the [00:24:00] most iconic moments, the boldest strategies, the most gripping battles to have marked the legendary race’s history.

These are a perfect opportunity for you to add one to your collection and experience the magic of Lamar again and again, year after year. So to take advantage of the discounts, when you go to the Lamar store at lamans. org, use the check a code M A N S 5 0 to get 50 percent off all your Lamar yearbooks at checkout.

There’s also an even deeper discount if you become a member of the ACO USA. And here’s a couple of words from David Lowe. President of ACO USA about why you should become a member of the club.

David Lowe: You definitely want to take advantage of what the members club has to offer. Got a lot to offer, like you talked about the ACO Tribune 1718.

That’s my go to tribune. Purchase access to La Chappelle, which is an incredible hospitality facility located there just beyond the Dunlop Bridge. It’s [00:25:00] an incredible, um, facility. viewing of Tetra Rouge cars coming through the Dunlop. It’s a great place to view as well as the hospitality tense area.

Honestly, big screen TVs give you the best. They’re just these huge screens and you hear the sound right there and see him right now on the big screen. So it’s a it’s a wonderful place plan to go for a week. If you only go for the day of the race, you’re gonna miss a lot. You need to Kind of watch the race come alive.

The pits get built out and you want to get a paddock pass might cost you a few extra dollars. You want to do that with the club. So you’ve got access to La Chapelle and the members areas there at T17. So, but in the meantime, throughout the year, as we build up, you’ve got these events that we’re putting together around the country, got the zoom meetings each month evening with a legend.

Which absolutely are incredible. We’re open to suggestions. A lot of the ideas we get come from volunteers that actually set it up for us. We have a lot of past presidents from other car clubs that are members that provide good sound wisdom and guidance for us as we grow

Crew Chief Eric: [00:26:00] our wings, if you will. If you’re not a member of the ACO USA, did you know that you can purchase the entire behind the scenes collection of Evening with the Legends?

and get continued updates for a one time fee by visiting our Patreon. We have a special price just for the Evening with a Legend collection. You can see the sessions that we recorded with Lynn St. James, with Mario Andretti, with Andy Pilgrim, the Camaradi Corvette team, and countless others that have Grace us with their stories on evening with the legend.

So check that out details in the show notes.

Don Weberg: We have a few books here that we’ve thrown out there that have been great last year. I think it was Rodney Kemmerer brought about his tales from the garage, which of course is all of his columns from inside garage style magazine. He took all of them.

Turbocharged the already very colorful, beautiful art and put him in his own book. And part of the fun thing about it is he made the book so that it was roughly the size of vehicle owner’s manual. So it’ll fit in your glove box. So you can have this thing [00:27:00] wherever you go. You can show it to your friends, et cetera.

If you haven’t read any of his stories, he’s a fantastic writer. He tells some wonderful stories. He’s got some great stuff there. So tales from the garage. You can find that on Amazon.

Rodney Kemerer: Thanks Eric and Don for having me on your podcast. We talk about tales from a garage, everyone has a car story, these just happen to be mine.

These are personal stories of mine mixed with the stories of others. Part memoir, part the memory of other people. Each story stands alone, each chapter has its own graphic language that runs through each story so that nothing is repeated. It is designed with the shape and the feel of an automotive ownership, so it fits into your glove box so you can take And I’m hoping you do take a visit.

It’s available at tailsfromthegarage. com and it’s available on Amazon.

Don Weberg: Next up, something from our very own, again, Matt Stone. He’s written a spectacular book about the DeLorean automobile. He’s spent a lot of [00:28:00] time researching this book and looking into the nuances. He brought to light some various photographs and information from Italdesign Studios, where the car was actually designed by Giugiaro, called DeLorean, the rise, fall, and rise.

And second acts of the DeLorean motor company. Again, you can find it on Amazon brand spanking new. It literally just got off the press. Another one would be from again, our very own Lance Lambert. We’ve spent years writing for Garage Style. As a matter of fact, he was our very first columnist, tremendous storyteller.

He wrote a series of books. One of my favorites is Gears, Grins, and Gasoline. Very similar to Tales from the Garage, except Gears, Grins, and Gasoline. It’s all about Lance’s personal little stories. Some of them have very little to do with cars. Some of them have a lot to do with cars, but all of them have something to do with cars.

And he takes you down that sort of Mayberry and trip down memory lane, which is always fun for car guys. Cause we’re always kind of [00:29:00] nostalgic. And of course, one of my favorites, the godfather of the movement, ultimate garages written by Phil Berg. Now he has three of these, but so far I’ve only been able to actually get ahold of.

Two. Ultimate Garages was pretty much the first major effort of putting in print collections of garages that inspire people to make their garages even better. He has some of the best garages that have ever been seen in that book. It is an older book, but it’s really definitely worth checking out. Again, find it on Amazon.

Crew Chief Brad: So I have a book from a former guest, Dr Jacques Dallaire, the book is called performance thinking and basically he takes the reader through how people in competitive environments and just in life in general, they sabotage their own success. He works through steps on how to first recognize this sabotage and then gives you the tools you need to overcome these self imposed obstacles to become the best versions of yourself.

He’s got the performance thinking version and he also [00:30:00] has one called helping kids perform, which is more how to help your children and younger kids that are in your life perform. He’s also got one for law enforcement. So you can go to his website, performance prime. com to learn more and purchase some of these books.

So he’s a past gas, a great episode. If you want to go back through our catalog and listen to a great person to talk to, please buy his book.

Bryce Kenny: Hey guys, this is Bryce Kenney driver of the great cliffs Mohawk warrior, monster jam truck, and the author of geared for life. And if you’re like me and ever get to that point, your head hits the pillow and you think, is this really all there is to life? Then maybe all you need to do is not be given some secret formula or some secret to success.

Maybe all you need to do is. Find your next gear. That’s what gear for life is all about. I would love and be honored if you would pick up a copy anywhere books are sold, go on Amazon, pick up your copy, and I’ll see you down the road at [00:31:00] Monster Jam. I’m a break fix fan. So let’s keep it rolling. Thanks guys.

Crew Chief Brad: Obviously, I’ve got a young kid, so a lot of the things that I have on here are purchasing gifts from my kids Mode, Motorhead Garage, children’s books. They’ve got a series of different children’s books getting them interested in, you know, the automotive world. What are things that dad and mom might say when they’re talking about their cars?

T is for Turbo is one of them. The sprocket rocket is about a motorcycle, the whiny supercharger. I mean, it’s all just a lot of fun books to read with your children at night. So it’s MHG productions dot com. It’s Motorhead Garage Productions.

Crew Chief Eric: Speaking of previous guests, author J. K. Kelly was on the show to talk to us about the first in his series with his character, Bryce Winters, and that was called Deadly Driver.

And then he released. The sequel to that called Switchback. So that’s available and he’s got a couple other books and a new little intro into his latest book. So let’s take a listen to that.

If you feel the need, the need to read, perhaps The Lost Bird is a [00:32:00] book for you. Check out J. K. Kelly’s other book as well, Deadly Driver.

Crew Chief Eric: And also on our Goodreads, we’ve got William Walker’s The Last Lap. This was presented at last year’s Argettsinger Symposium. It’s all about the mysterious demise of William Walker’s cousin, Peter Kreiss, at the Indianapolis 500 early days of the Indy 500. So there’s some speculation as to was it sabotage?

Did something break? Was it suicide? So there’s a whole episode on that in our catalog, but the book itself goes into tons more detail and you can find this on Amazon. It’s called The Last Lap by William Walker. Now let’s hear from future Brake Fix guests, Corvette Hall of Famer and professional racing photographer, Richard Prince.

Richard Prince: I’ve written five books, three of them are in print. The C8 Corvette book was published this year. I wrote a 70th anniversary Corvette book that was published last year, and a C3 Corvette [00:33:00] Restoration Guide book that was published 25 years ago, but it’s still in print. So, with the Christmas season coming up, it’s in the works.

The, uh, people hearing this want a, uh, nice gift for a car lover in your life, particularly a Corvette enthusiast in your life. They can contact me and I’ll be happy to ship out a signed book to them.

Crew Chief Eric: And one more on our Goodreads list. Racing While Black by Leonard T. Miller and Andrew Simon. This is all about the story of an African American stock car team that made its mark on NASCAR.

If you haven’t read this book, and if you’re a NASCAR fan, you ought to check this out. This is one of those stories, Unsung Heroes. NASCAR is still one of those sports where you can really shake the tree and you can make things happen. And stories like this are awesome. Definitely check it out. So Racing While Black, also available.

On Amazon and this along with a bunch of other books that we recommend are in our goodreads which are linked in The show notes along with this [00:34:00] episode and the last book I have but it’s also a transition into Artwork a little bit of both friend of the show one of the custodians of the green grand prix for over 20 years Painter bob gillespie wrote a book.

It’s called one track mind And it’s part memoir, part art collection where he describes the evolution of the Watkins Glen area from the early days of the first track, through the interim track, through the current Grand Prix track. It’s full of really interesting stories, quotes from very famous race car drivers, people that he’s met, people he’s painted for.

The painting section of the book alone has 84 of his over 100 and some odd paintings and we’re going to do an episode that follows along with this to dive deeper into Bob’s story and you can learn all about One Track Mind, where the inspiration for these paintings came from.

Bob Gillespie: Hello, I’m Bob Gillespie and for 2025 instead of producing a calendar [00:35:00] I’m offering a book I’ve completed containing 84 of my best paintings, 25 drawings, and 4 of my murals whose subjects span nearly a century of American road racing. This is not a book of racing statistics, but an entertaining celebration of racing moments, primarily at Watkins Glen, captured in paint.

Numerous quotes and recollections by drivers of the original Watkins Glen road circuit directly to me appear throughout the book. Additional quotes by artists relating to the creative process lend further insight and food for thought. This is a uniquely personal and sometimes humorous tour through American road racing history.

One Track Mind also describes how the encouragement and advice of well known race drivers and artists shaped my life from an early age. The book is available for 35 plus 5 shipping at my website, www. glenspeed. com. And I’d like to [00:36:00] wish everybody Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays. I hope you have a wonderful holiday season.

Crew Chief Eric: Absolutely gorgeous book. It’s a wonderful read. It’s a lot of fun. And it gives you a lot of insight into Bob and his lifetime in motorsport. And one other little bit of trivia. Did you know he’s also the artist that drew the cover art for Burt Levy’s The Last Open Road? You’ll find more interesting stories like that in One Track Mind.

Don Weberg: Okay, so for artwork, got a plethora of places to go for. One of my favorites though is garageart. com. There’s a company that’s grown leaps and bounds over the years. It has a multitude of products for the garage, the home, the office, all largely related to the autosphere. Or the enthusiast’s desire just to enjoy a little nostalgia.

One of our favorites is the winged Honda neon sign. Nicely priced. It’s a great piece that’ll bring home some cool vibes in basically any room.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, speaking of artists, guests of the show, Kelly Telfer is running a [00:37:00] holiday sale on his art.

Kelly Telfer: Eric just asked me, what are we doing for holiday promotions and sales?

I’m going to double my retail price and give you 50 percent off everything. Including free. You might get a good painting for 500 bucks. Well, it’s an okay painting. I don’t know. You can’t see all the stuff I have. You want artifacts? Come here. I’ll give you a bunch of junk that’s really cool, but sorry UPS FedEx Love you guys, man.

You’ve saved me a million times. You’re the best. Go Raiders! Out.

Crew Chief Eric: He’s got a promo code KT441. So that’s KT, the number four, F O R 1. And the promotion goes like this. November the 1st through December the 18th, buy any four 14 prints at 60 each and get one 16 by 20 absolutely free. He’s got all sorts of really cool Porsche stuff, Volkswagen, Jeep, et cetera.

I’ve seen a lot of Kelly’s work. It’s beautiful. It looks great hanging up on the wall. My kids [00:38:00] have some Kelly tell for art in their bedrooms, which is fantastic. So again, discount code K T four for one. Transform your living room, office, hallway, bedroom, garage, or workshop with a stunning motorsport art and make this Hollist Day season one to remember.

Don Weberg: Another great place to pick up some art from is car art us. These guys handle some original commissioned art pieces by professional artists. Pete Alet, the owner of Car Art. It’s a good friend of mine, but also he can hook you up with some amazing stuff. He is a petrol head through and through. He was a designer for years at Mazda.

What’s really cool about him. Let’s say you’ve got a really cool picture of a special loved one with their special car. You can give that to Pete and work with him to find the artist that would be best. Turn that picture, turn that Polaroid into a one of a kind piece of art from a real artist. That’s really something special.

Granted, we’re edging in here on the holidays. So this [00:39:00] might be something you want to hold off for a birthday or maybe next year for Christmas because obviously the artist needs a little time to paint it. But if that’s not up your alleyway, he can also hook you up with all kinds of really cool stuff. So again, that’s carart.

us.

Crew Chief Eric: And Brad, we had pinstripe Chris Dunlop on the show. Let’s hear what he has to say.

Pinstripe Chris Dunlop: I post new stuff every week on Instagram and usually the new stuff is also listed on the website at the same time. Uh, art of chrisdunlop. com and pinstripe underscore chris on Instagram, showing new videos as regularly as possible, new artwork, and that’s usually the best way to get ahold of me.

Either contact me through the website or straight through Instagram. I’m still one of those weird people that tries to respond to every message and every comment that I can.

Crew Chief Eric: Thank you for responding to us. Yeah, I think that’s how we got connected. Yeah. Sometimes you do commissions. It’s very rare. I do that, but you will entertain ideas, but you start with always, I’ll always hear

Pinstripe Chris Dunlop: somebody out.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I, it’s just simpler that way. [00:40:00] There’s not enough time in the day to say yes to everybody. I would like to, but for the time and the expanse, I want to make sure that artwork is going in the hands of people that are like, I realize they’re just paintings of cars, but for some people, this is like part of their family, or it’s a really important part of them.

Or it’s an aspiration car. And it’s not always easy to find those types of people that are interested in artwork. But to me, there’s not one type of car person. I think there’s a lot of like passive people that enjoy cars, but there’s some really diehard car people. And I just really want to make sure that if I’m putting the effort into It’s for the people that are really serious about it.

So

Executive Producer Tania: what

Pinstripe Chris Dunlop: we haven’t

Executive Producer Tania: talked about is how does one go about acquiring some Samantha Zimmerman artwork?

Samantha Zimmermann: So for commissions, if you go to my website, you can hit a contact form and you can fill out all the information and send me an email with that, or you can send me an email directly. It’s samzimmermanart at gmail.

com. If you’re looking at buying an original for me of my produced works, I have them all listed on my website as well. I do have prints of the [00:41:00] majority of my work. Just get in touch with me and I’m more than happy to assist from there. If you have any inquiries about things I have listed on the website or prints, anything to that effect, like I said, you’re welcome to get in touch with me.

I’m more than happy to answer any questions you may have.

Crew Chief Eric: William, you’ve been awful quiet, but you’ve got some art on the table.

William Ross: You want to talk about for a man cave, but this would be someone I would say that has a rather large collection of vehicles. Those of you who don’t know who Gerald Lang is, I definitely recommend looking him up and doing a search on him.

He’s a great guy. Fantastic guy, very interesting guy. I like to tell people it’s kind of more of a modern Warhol type situation. Very big into cars, loves motorcycles. Did some trips across the U. S. on his bike. Definitely recommend checking him out. But I have a couple of his pieces he did towards the end of his life.

When he first started doing his pieces, he was very heavily into cars and motorcycles. And then he got into other things and towards the end he got back into what his passion was. Drag racing and specifically Don Garlitz was one of his muses, I guess you could say, [00:42:00] and he did two pieces that I have available.

We have a few others, but these are the ones kind of made me focus on, but the one is rather large. It’s over 20 feet long and almost six feet high, so I mean it’s a big piece of him and the Swamp Rat. I have another one smaller, but They’re very statement like pieces for wherever you may put them up again.

You know, you’re talking mid to high six figure range on each piece. These are some of some deep pockets, but they’re outstanding pieces. And if anything, I said, check out Gerald Lang, look them up online. He has with any artist. You can always buy the stuff. That’s just the copies of it and everything like that.

But he’s got some really cool pieces and he does. He’s got some stuff on Jim Clark. Delves in F1s and some of his pieces and that. So he’s got some really cool stuff. So I highly recommend checking out Gerald Lang. You

Crew Chief Eric: see, William never forgets. Money presents to the party.

Crew Chief Brad: I feel like this should be under rich people things.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s right there. My man,

William Ross: I had the same thought, Brad. It’s like, where’s this fall into

Crew Chief Eric: since we’re talking about rich people things. How about some limited edition prints that are now up for grabs signed by the man [00:43:00] himself? Juan Fangio.

Executive Producer Tania: How many thousands of dollars do these cost?

Crew Chief Eric: So what it says here, they’re in the hands of the guy that did these original prints and got them signed or whatever.

I don’t know how many he has, and this is over on Exotic Car Marketplace.

Executive Producer Tania: It was valued 500 10 years ago, so it’s not 500 today.

Crew Chief Eric: So now they’re two grand, three grand each. Okay, let’s say it’s a thousand. That’s still Fangio. Put his sharpie on it. That’s history, right? So to get a signed print, now granted it’s going to cost you 500 to ship it from Australia.

500 bucks for a piece of artwork signed by Fangio? Add that to your Christmas list. If you’re interested in getting one of these, the contact information to reach Kevin Waite in Australia is at Exotic Car Marketplace. Just search for Limited Edition Prints.

William Ross: We’re coming across and starting to get some really cool artists that are reaching out to want to get on the website.

I highly recommend checking it out. We’re really expanding what we have on the site in regards to, we’d say memorabilia. You can’t just have your cars over there. You [00:44:00] got to have the posters. You got to have like that. So we’re really trying to expand what our offerings are because once you get your car, then what do you do?

You got to buy all the trinkets and everything that go along with it to, uh, put things on your wall and everything like that. So you really need some real good ideas. You talk with Don. Now he knows all the people and get some really good ideas for your garage. I know a few

Crew Chief Eric: guys.

William Ross: We’ll come back

Crew Chief Eric: to that shortly.

But Brad, you got a couple of art pieces on this list.

Crew Chief Brad: The first site that I found is canvas for the number four walls. com. They’ve got a whole section dedicated to cars, mostly Porsches and things like that. There are canvas prints. Not quite 20 feet wide, but you can get them up to five feet wide, which anybody that’s going to put something in their house, that’s a pretty large piece of art.

They’re reasonably priced, 160, 170 for something that at large, a lot of different Porsches, a lot of overhead views of the Porsche is some F1 stuff. It’s pretty cool stuff on this site. And then the next website, as I’m sure everybody’s seen, is Petrol Vibes. They make these metal silhouette frames of vehicles.

I’ve been eyeing the Porsche 911 [00:45:00] Turbo and the GT3 RS. A lot of really cool stuff on their site. They’re all reasonably priced, less than 100. Everything’s on sale now, almost 50 percent off. Got track maps as well. They’ve got the Nurburgring. Some of them light up. They’ve got neon lights underneath. Check their website, see what they got.

You’ll definitely find something for your wall.

Crew Chief Eric: You gotta get the 9 64 silhouette to go with your 9 64 headlamp. Come on. I mean, you gotta have the matching. Of course. Of course,

Crew Chief Brad: of course. And you gotta go to that mecu on time to find your 9 64 service manual.

Crew Chief Eric: Nine 60 fours are hot right now. That’s all I’m gonna say.

Crew Chief Brad: So hot right now, . And then the last thing I have tuner cartoons.com. You basically, the way this works, you send them pictures of your vehicle, they will turn it into. Art. You can choose a couple of different styles, more like a lifelike digital image, or they can turn it into more of a cartoony image. They will send it back to you and then you can use it for making custom stickers, for phone cases, t shirts, or hoodies.

If you’ve got somebody that loves their car and you want to do something nice for them, take a picture, create a [00:46:00] t shirt for them, go to tunercartoons. com and they can go ahead and hook you up.

Crew Chief Eric: This is really cool.

Crew Chief Brad: I thought you might like that.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, that’s cool. Well played. Well, we got a new section on our holiday shopping guide music.

Well, where did this come from? Don, what have you done to music? What is this about music and cars? Those don’t go together. Wait, what is this?

Crew Chief Brad: No, it’s not like we don’t have a podcast episode about it. Not at all.

Crew Chief Eric: Brad

Don Weberg: music and cars go together hand in hand, depending on who you’re talking to. A lot of times I’ve noticed race car drivers don’t particularly agree with me.

That’s why we put speakers in our

Crew Chief Eric: helmets. You see,

Don Weberg: so, you know, for those of us who just loaf around in our Chrysler DCs, we listen to music, we have a nice time. It’s enjoyable. We have a glass of wine. It’s wonderful. But going into that, nothing goes better than just chilling out in your garage, doing whatever it is you do in your garage, and maybe having a few tunes in the background.

If you’re not streaming it to your headphones and looking like some 15 year old punk, you probably want something that [00:47:00] fills the garage space with a warm and a charm of nostalgia. And for that, I highly recommend basically anything from the Crosley company. They’ve been making radios forever, and yes, they are related at one point to the Crosley car company, but that being said, my favorite at the moment, which is.

Perfect for a garage because it’s the right size. It’s not too big. It’s not too small. It’s got great sound reproduction. It’s the Crosley Fleetwood radio CD. And the reason I love this, not only just because of its size and its quality, but it’s got two cars in the name, Crosley and Fleetwood. Perfect for the garage.

It’s a compact stereo. It’s a CD player with an FM and of course, Bluetooth in case you want to stream something from your private collection. Again, you can find it at Amazon. Just look up the Crosley Fleetwood radio CD and it shall be yours

Crew Chief Eric: for what they used to call a high five back in the day for 149 95, compared to some of the other stuff that’s [00:48:00] out there.

This is a super versatile, got all the options, AM, FM, Bluetooth. Like you said, CD player, all that. This is a really good deal. That’s a good find.

Crew Chief Brad: Not bad. Right. Don opened up the door, so I’m just going through it for a lot of us that have older cars, you know, we can’t really add a navigation to it or, you know, a lot of these newer stereo systems just won’t fit.

They’re all doubled in our cars have singled in. You can get the CarFlix portable CarPlay Android auto screen. Basically it looks like one of those Garmin GPS devices you put on your dash, except it’s a wide screen, adds CarPlay and Android to your vehicle. Connects to either Bluetooth or it can be a wired connection through aux cable.

You can also connect through FM transmitter, Tanya. I don’t know if it’ll do the cassette connection, but you can always use the FM transmitter if you have to connect to any modern phone and it will allow you to use your CarPlay or Android auto right there from the screen.

Executive Producer Tania: The FM transmitter doesn’t work very well, unless they’ve [00:49:00] made better ones.

Crew Chief Brad: I know. I think the aux cable, you can probably get it to work with the tape deck. I know the tape deck is always the best option. I had trouble with the FM.

Don Weberg: You know, I remember a time I had a Lincoln and I had an eight track player and I had an eight track converter for it to set. So I put that in there.

And then I got the cassette converter for CD and I put that in, in the eight track converter. And then I was able to run my CD player, you know, in my Lincoln. I felt so cool.

Crew Chief Brad: It’s audio and such

Don Weberg: a string of stuff coming out of the eight track. You know,

Crew Chief Brad: the last time I saw an eight track player was when my dad was throwing one out the window because it ate his eight track.

Crew Chief Eric: We’d be remiss if we didn’t talk about watches. I know this is Don’s favorite thing to talk about. You know, I went back and I listened to previous holiday specials that we’ve done, especially once we got together with garage style and started combining our shopping lists and things like that. You know, some of those watches Tag Hauers will blow your mind in terms of how expensive they are and things like that.

But I [00:50:00] found one I’m over the top. I’m macho man, Randy Savage. I’m coming in with the elbow. I’m coming in with the Bremont Isle of Man TT. Watch. Have you seen this? This is a killer watch for the Lolo bargain. Rich people. Thanks. Price of 6,

William Ross: 600. That’s actually not that bad.

Crew Chief Brad: Eric’s like, Oh my God. It’s the sexiest watch live.

William Ross. It’s not that bad,

Crew Chief Eric: man. And the price is a big money Ross. Watch here, man. Come on now. Malibu Ross.

Crew Chief Brad: It doesn’t look big money though,

Crew Chief Eric: but it’s Bremont. It’s a high end brand. You’re talking Swiss movement. You’re talking all the stuff that you’re supposed to have on the internals part. It’s a chronometer.

If you’re a motorcycle enthusiast, if you’re a fan of the Isle of man, That speaks to me. I think this is cool.

Don Weberg: Yeah, I actually really like the watch. I prefer the white face. You’re right, it doesn’t scream 6, 600 watch. I kind of like watches that are a little more subtle. I mean, come on, I wear a swatch every day.

It’s just black with a stainless face. [00:51:00] Wonder why I wear that watch. But anyway. Yeah, I like this Bremont though. This is really, really a nice looking watch and you’re right. You really can’t go wrong with a Bremont. These are tremendous watches. And they are limited production.

Crew Chief Eric: So you do have to reach out to them for availability.

Crew Chief Brad: The white ones where the black one is.

Crew Chief Eric: Either way, that’s like, oh, that’s good looking. All right. Moving on. Don, what do you got for us in the watch department?

Don Weberg: Okay. So I’m going to go from rich guy stuff only to China, rich guy stuff only. Cause I still can’t afford these things. Well, it’s one of those things almost anybody can afford one of my watches.

It’s just a question of. Are you cheap? So the first one up on the list. Nothing like a nice timepiece, especially when it’s inclined to motor sports. The Farrell and Company Watch Story is the stuff that dreams are made of. And one of their products is the Race Master Chronograph. Measuring 39 millimeters, the brushed 316 stainless steel case and domed crystal construction are remarkable.

German made with [00:52:00] Japanese movement. It features a C3 illumination and soft Italian racing style straps. And then if you don’t like that one, they have a ton of other motorsport related watches. One of which I’ve got, which is the 356 and it is a watch that literally Face of it looks like the speedometer of the 356 Porsche really kind of a cool watch.

I really like that watch

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, this is in line with the old gulf livery thing that was in vogue for the last couple of years It’s a nice looking watch. I really like the wristband the blue stitching it and everything and 39 millimeter That’s a little smaller than I think a lot of folks are used to anymore So almost a good unisex watch in that sense that it’s not too big for a lady’s wrist also Not too small To where every day versus some of these 50 plus millimeter watches that are out there.

Nowadays,

Don Weberg: one thing too, that I learned just recently talking to a couple of watch aficionados. They’re saying that they’re really big. Watch faces are actually starting to lose traction. People are buying smaller and smaller. [00:53:00] They want a little bit more of that subtle look. They want something that doesn’t might stand out as much as maybe they used to.

One of my buddies is a dealer. He’s actually having trouble moving. These heavier, larger watches, he’s having a lot of trouble selling them on the used market. Nobody wants them anymore. So at 39 millimeters, it definitely does step in line with, you know, what modern people are looking for.

Crew Chief Brad: I like the British racing green version.

Yeah. That’s that one speaks to me with the cream band.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah. So moving down the list. You’ve got another brand that you’re pretty fond of. I do, DePansel. Is it DePansel or Depan sel?

Don Weberg: That I don’t know. Depan sel, Alpine versus Alpine, however you want to say it. They are a maker of fine motorsports inspired watches, and one of our favorites is the Allure line.

Available in a multitude of colors and faces. Our favorite features, the performance blue leather strap. It measures 39 millimeters, got a Sapphire crystal and a blue face assembled in France. You can find out all [00:54:00] kinds of cool stuff about the DePansel watch company. Again, at the DePansel website. Like Ferro, they too make a ton of different styles of motorsports inspired watches.

So if you don’t happen to like the Allure or you don’t think the person you’re going to be buying it from might be a fan of it. They should have something there that’ll tickle your fancy

Crew Chief Brad: again. The allure stradale that a day is really speaking to me. I’m, I’m a huge fan of British racing green right up my alley.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, you know, what’s cool about these? It’s the little details that you have to really focus in on. Like the watch bands between. The Depencel and the Faro and company are very similar, but if you notice that the Depencel, they have this extra little bit of stitching, it’s like a red, white and blue for, you know, the French flag or whatever it is, and I think that’s neat.

And when you really start to focus in on it, you start to notice other little details like that, that they’ve added in as accents to make it stand out. And it’s not something ostentatious, you have to look at it like three times to go. Is that what I think it [00:55:00] is? So I think that’s really cool. And for the price, you get all those little extras and those little Easter eggs, if you will.

That’s neat. It’s something to talk about. And when people look at your watch, like, wow, that’s, I’ve never seen anything like that.

Don Weberg: Yeah. One of my favorites, I’m looking at it right now. It’s called the Elegance 24H Panda. If you don’t run your cursor over it, it’s just a white face with the black chronograph and then black straps with the perforation.

I think that watch is absolutely stunning. It’s very simple. It’s. 40 millimeters. So just a little bit bigger, but I look at that watch and the simplicity of it, the beauty of it. And it’s just a stunning looking watch. But to your point, Eric, yeah. When you really start looking at it, you do see the little details like the little red stripe in the crown.

Yeah. If you look at the stitching, it’s just a beautiful watch. The whole family has gorgeous watches. You want something

Crew Chief Eric: sub a thousand dollars. You should definitely be looking at this.

Don Weberg: Well, I mean, look at that one, that Panda I was talking about, it’s been cut from 650 to 395. That’s a hell of a cut, [00:56:00] it really is.

And

Crew Chief Eric: there’s some rebadged fossils out there for that price, if you want to go in that direction. So why not get something unique like this, a little bit more boutique. Especially, they’re making their own components now internally, so that’s kind of cool. But, you can’t just go out of the house with watches.

You gotta have some fashion to go along with it.

Crew Chief Brad: One of the sites that I posted, the Cafe Leather site, they’ve got like those overnight bags and those small road trip type bags.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, I’m glad you brought that up because another place to shop for stuff like that, fine leather goods that are motorsport inspired, is actually the Le Mans store.

And again, going back to David Lowe talking about, you know, the discounts you get and things like that, becoming an ACO USA member. I mean, the discounts are pretty steep. You can get upwards of 50 percent off, but if you go to the lemans. org and go to the store, which you can look at the French version, but switch over to English, you’ll see the leather jackets that they have.

They have some really, really cool stuff. 1959 Le Mans inspired Shelby jackets. They’ve got the bags, they’ve got the purses, they’ve got the backpacks. I happened to [00:57:00] see their leather goods in person when I was there for the 100th. And you would walk into the booths. You knew exactly what you were buying.

You knew what you were getting. That was that rawhide smell. It was real leather. It’s really nice. And so when you look at it, you don’t go, Well, that’s some Chinese knockoff stuff or whatever. This is really nice. So when you look at the price, You go, I’m getting graded leather for that kind of money, plus your membership discount, it’s well worth checking out the LeMans store.

Don Weberg: Who is the company building on what you’re saying about the 1950s Aston Martin racing suit? William knows then. Shu Teal. Because I know they

William Ross: have a lot of that stuff. I first discovered them when I was at Pebble Beach. Sterling Moss wearing their one polo, but yeah, they make all that retro and stuff like that.

They got some really neat stuff. They don’t have like a ton of product, but the product they do have is really cool.

Don Weberg: Wow. These guys aren’t just making bags. They’re actually trying to cater to the motorsport community. So I thought that was really nice too.

William Ross: Jordan bespoke’s got some really gorgeous leather bag wear and that, you know, they do the inside linings, like they’ll take like a golf logo or [00:58:00] Lotus or something like that, they do some really nice stuff.

Don Weberg: And car people are known for throwing a few clothes in a, in a nice bag, throwing it in the trunk and going away for the weekend. The point’s unknown.

William Ross: It’s kind of like along the line with like watches, but also with the bags. But I’ll still look at something and say, Oh my God, I spent how much on this?

But a nice bag, a nice watch. That’s something that’s going to last you, you take care of it your lifetime, especially on bags. You start getting that patina to it and the wear. I say that from just getting tossed around. I need to get that really cool look that just over time, you get it. And that’s one thing you look at this stuff.

We have someone that’s got to wear with all the pay 1500, two, three grand for a bag. So we didn’t get the guy only can afford something that’s, you know, 50 bucks. So the problem is, is the guy that bought the bag for the higher price, he’s only going to buy that one for, to have that forever. Another person, you buy a bag.

Two, three years later, it falls apart. They buy another one. Two years later, they buy another one. You spend those few extra dollars, you’re going to have something that’s going to last you a long time because it’s just built better. It’s made better. The quality is better. Everything like that. It’s just, it’s a lot nicer product.

Crew Chief Eric: And I think a lot of this is culminating into this whole trend that we’re seeing of dress like your [00:59:00] heroes. And we sort of alluded to this last year without really knowing about it. There was a lot of Steve McQueen stuff and a lot of other things that were surfacing in our world. And we’re kind of looking at Fashion and bags and attire and accessories like watches and things like that.

But now we’ve got the Shelby collection, the new Lamont’s fall collection, which has other dress like your heroes type of thing. And then we take it to a whole nother extreme, right? William with the whole Tazio Nuvalari collection.

William Ross: Yeah. I mean, you’re getting very specific. And again, though, the nice thing though, it’s not stuff that you might’ve seen to say 10, 20 years ago, it’s just a complete knockoff type cheap crap.

They’re getting made over in China or something, you know, this stuff is very nice quality. product. Tying in with using Tazio Nuvolari’s name. What’s great with these guys, especially the magazine as well, they’re working together. The magazine, Tazio Nuvolari Collection Clothing line, but then also the museum, they all kind of work hand in hand, and they’re great guys.

Oh, me and Eric done some stuff with these guys. They’re really great people. Plain on the name, whatnot, but it’s a name people know, and the [01:00:00] people that know the name are the target market that they want to go after too. People that really love racing and know the history of racing, they’re going to go after.

And knowing who Tazio Nuvolari was, it plays a big role in it.

Crew Chief Eric: Porsche is getting into that game too. They just announced two weeks ago, the Andiol collection is now available through Porsche. com. Have you seen this stuff? We’re talking retro, motorsports inspired Porsche collection. One of the more famous, Privateer Porsche builders is Andy all it looks so cool.

You got to justify the price, but it’s like, man, this stuff is pretty awesome. And I know Brad is a fan of Brown. Brown is back again, but they’ve also contracted with major suppliers like Puma and others to be able to put the Andy all livery on all this attire. And again, this is dress like your heroes type of stuff.

And I think this is really cool. Talking about falling prey to the Instagram gimmicks and whatnot. My wife got me a gift. I consider it an accessory. I consider it apparel. And I got to shine a little bit of light. [01:01:00]

Don Weberg: She got you those. That’s awesome.

Crew Chief Eric: So basically they’re working gloves or you put them over your gloves and they have little LED lights on your pinky finger and your index finger.

So you can shine light. Where you’re working. Don’t look like for someone who’s got an issue with porn. They are very S and M like I don’t get it, but you know, I do have the glasses with the LEDs in them, which are pretty cool because then again, you’re shining light where you’re looking and it’s not that goofy headlamp.

Look like you’re like a minor in the old days of Pennsylvania or West Virginia or something like that. So these are kind of neat. I don’t know how they’re going to hold up because I worry that they’re just going to get dirty. They’re kind of cool. They’re super lightweight. They’re pretty easy to put on.

So I’ll give them a try. Worst case, I’ll use them for something else. I also want to highlight, my daughter and I, we were at this year’s Comic Con. We have a collection of art from a local artist, Ben Leung, who does this sort of almost caricature style. He does these really cool recreations of like the scene from Friends, where they’re all together, but it’s like comic book characters.

[01:02:00] And he does Darth Vader with Luke and Leia as kids, you know, giving them ice cream and they’re on like the Tilt A Whirl, and it’s a really good Fun way to reimagine some of the classics. My show and tell for this one is the t shirt that I’m wearing right now because when I was at Comic Con I went to his booth to check out what he had and I could not pass up buying his interpretation of the classic drift anime series Initial D.

So he did the RX 7 and the AE 86 together drifting down Mount Akina in his style. The shirt’s awesome. It’s a very nice Heathered black kind of almost jersey material very breathable. I love wearing this shirt. It’s a lot of fun I thought it was 39 bucks well spent for something unique done by an artist rather than done by a machine or done by ai So I thought this was really cool And you can pick up stuff like this by visiting his instagram page and we’ll have the link to that in the show notes as well

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Executive Producer Tania: And don’t forget about Blipshift as an alternative for car design t shirts as well. Not just shirts, but go to Heeltred if you’re [01:04:00] interested in socks. There’s a little bit of a partnership on Blipshift. So when you go to their website, you will see Heeltred socks on their site. So you can order them through Bloopshift or go directly to Heeltread.

Crew Chief Eric: And I got one more t shirt for you guys. These we had designed for GTM’s 10th anniversary. These are Sparco inspired. These are limited edition. We do have limited sizes both in men’s and women’s cut. In black and in white. Celebrating our 10th anniversary, starting in 2014. So these are the Grand Touring Motorsports Enthusiasm shirts, 10th anniversary, again, a lightweight, breathable t shirt, machine wash, all that kind of stuff.

We put the design together based on a vintage Sparco design that we saw. So I really liked these. These were a lot of fun. We had these when we were at the Argent Singer Symposium earlier in the fall. But if you’re interested in getting. Any of these give us a shout crew chief at gtmotorsports. org or sign up for patreon and we’ll send you one if we have a size that matches and if we have enough demand maybe we can do a second run or something like that [01:05:00] but we’ll be posting more details about the 10th anniversary t shirts on the clubhouse website so that’ll be over at club.

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Crew Chief Brad: circling back to don’s point about the bags and everything a cool website i found cafeleather. com They’ve got some pretty neat car inspired things. What really drew me to the site was their leather racing gloves or leather driving gloves. Uh, and then they’ve gotten overnight bags, general apparel and watch straps and, and various, you know, leather and canvas, you know, items and stuff.

But the leather driving gloves are what really got me. They also have a relationship with Audi because they do a Audi RS inspired leather racing glove is really just got the RS logo on the racing glove. So that’s kind of cool. So check them out at cafeleather. com.

Crew Chief Eric: Again, you’re the guru of garages, so we need to talk about tools and other fine garage gadgets and items.

Executive Producer Tania: So if you’ve walked around your local Lowe’s recently, you would have seen them debut already earlier this year, these mini cobalt tool chests. So [01:06:00] imagine your big tool chest in the garage, but this is a two drawer, 10 inch by six by six toolbox that On the surface, you’re going to go, what am I going to put in there?

And maybe it’s not great for the garage, but I could see this going in an office. If you had the desk space to be supplying pencils, pens, whatever else, you know, little notepads comes in a variety of colors. I’ve seen the blue in the store. I’ve also seen, they’ve got like a pink edition, I guess, trying to cater to, you know, ladies or whoever likes the color pink coming across all the colors, red, silver, green, black, blue, pink, so on and so forth.

So if you’re interested in like a little mini mechanics toolbox tool chest in your home, check out your local Lowe’s. They’re only about 20 bucks.

Crew Chief Eric: Did you notice that they released the second version? So now you can stack them. There’s a topper. And the bottom. So you can have a double high one. Nice.

Crew Chief Brad: Do they come on little caster wheels?

So you can wheel them around your desk. You can buy those at Harbor Freight.

Crew Chief Eric: I did see these in person as well. I, and I literally had the same thought that Tanya [01:07:00] says, like, what am I going to do with this? But then I kept playing with it. I’m like, I got to find a reason to have this. There’s got to be an excuse to have this toolbox.

Cause it is pretty cool.

Executive Producer Tania: Be cool. If you’re a crafter of some sort and you’ve got like a craft area and maybe you stack a couple of them and that’s where you’re putting supplies for. Scissors and knives and things like that.

Crew Chief Eric: How many brick separators can fit in that? That’s a

Executive Producer Tania: lot.

Crew Chief Eric: To go with that, maybe to put inside of that mini cobalt tool chest there is these new style ratcheting screwdrivers.

I’m sure all of us has tried different ratcheting screwdrivers at some point. They’re good for about five minutes. And then you realize that they kind of suck, whether it’s the handle turns or the top turns, or it’s this and that. And take a standard ratchet and put some sort of screwdriver bit in. I mean, there’s all sorts of weird combinations.

The latest one I’ve seen is a tap and die style. ratcheting screwdriver which I thought was actually kind of interesting and I’m willing to try out especially if you can pick it up somewhere like a Harbor Freight or Lowe’s or whatever. Again this stuff kind of comes across [01:08:00] on Instagram from time to time so if you’ve ever played with the tap and die you know it’s got a long t bar style handle and then you put the bit in through the center and it locks in and then you just rotate it.

In this case, they’ve made the rotation pin, then ratchet the whole piece and then use that T bar for additional leverage. They call it a 24 in one magnetic screwdriver set clocking in around 40 bucks. DeWalt

Executive Producer Tania: actually makes a gyroscopic screwdriver. And so with the turn of your hand, it’s variable speed, that motion will initiate the screwing or unscrewing.

And then the more severe your hand movement is, the faster it will rotate. So that does exist. You can actually go to your local Lowe’s or local Lowe’s website and order one. I have used one before. It was surprising. Because I’ve never used something like that before, but it does work.

Crew Chief Eric: Will it torque out of your hand, or is it pretty good about when it slows down or stops?

Executive Producer Tania: It might have an anti overtorque to it, I don’t recall.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, speaking of [01:09:00] overtorquing and Brad’s favorite torque specification, Gutentight. Brands like GearWrench, even Snap on and Craftsman, they’re all stepping up. You’ve seen the number of teeth escalate in ratcheting wrenches over the years. I think we’re now finally into triple digits.

I was reading the other day, I forget which brand it is, it has 128 teeth. tooth wrench now. And I always joke that I live my life a quarter turn at a time. And basically that quarter turn movement can now rotate a bolt head almost 360 degrees with very little input. So I’m a little bit of a skeptic. I’m a little bit apprehensive because I’m sure something like that is going to be expensive, but I am willing to try it because there are some jobs that It just takes way too long because you have no space.

So anything that saves space and saves time, I’m willing to give it a go, which is why I have like 13 different size, 17 wrenches. All right, Brad, you got a couple of things for the garage.

Crew Chief Brad: Just a couple that came out of like necessity from just recently working on my own vehicle. Realized that inside my [01:10:00] garage, I did not have enough light.

So I found the Nyko rechargeable cordless under hood work light. It’s got soft hooks that wrap around the edge of the hood. So it hangs there while you’re doing some work on your motor and everything. It’s cordless. So you don’t have to worry about tripping over the extension cord when you’re running around looking for your 10 millimeter.

Crew Chief Eric: Those things are a game changer. Once you buy one of those,

Crew Chief Brad: you

Crew Chief Eric: throw all the other lights away, basically. Except for those finger lights I showed you guys earlier.

Crew Chief Brad: And since my next job is going to be under the hood specifically, one of these is definitely going to come in very nicely. And then next on the list for me is the Fluid Evacuator from Tool Discounter.

The next couple of jobs I’ve got is the DSG service and the Haldex service. And being able to extract the fluid out of the transmission is definitely going to be key. So one of these be pretty nice sitting in my garage next to

Crew Chief Eric: my new light. You can do your oil this way too. If you run it down through the dipstick, that way you don’t have to get under the car and strip the oil pan bolt anymore.

Crew Chief Brad: Well, there you go. No more, no more from auto

Crew Chief Eric: valve. That’s right. If you have a top Mount oil [01:11:00] filter, you don’t need to jack the car up. But in the case of the older cars, especially, you know, the old VWs with their aluminum oil pans that you pray to whatever you believe in, every time you take that bolt out that you don’t strip the pan, putting it back in, this is a great way to not have to deal with that ever again.

Don Weberg: Getting out of tools, going into stuff you can slap on the walls. Some of the finest reproduction signs in the business I’ve seen come from Reedyville Goods. They aim to please with a huge selection, ranging from the food and beverage industry, to humor signs, to the automotive signs, to circus signs, to tobacco signs, to the gas and oil signs.

Literally, the sky is the limit. If you want to create your own sign, ReadUVeil can make that for you. In fact, Garage Town Magazine’s Garage Tour Award signs were made by ReadUVeil Goods. One of our favorite signs right now is the El Mirage sign. We have pictured On our website, it’s very unique. We’ve never seen anything like this before.

And again, El Mirage, if you don’t know that, that’s kind of the desert [01:12:00] version, the dust bin of the salt flats. It’s where guys go to run hot rods, run experimental vehicles, see how fast they’ll go, El Mirage is really, really a cool place. Next up would be Busted Knuckle Garage, with a plethora of items to choose from.

The BKG brand has become synonymous with humor and good times in the garage, with a touch of nostalgia. Their barstools are second to none. I think I promote these every year because I really do like their barstools. They are terrific. Each one features great designs. Our favorite is the Winged spark plug, but you can find your favorite one at Busted Knuckle Garage’s website.

Same with Reedyville Goods. Just look them up on the web and you’ll find whatever it is you want.

Crew Chief Eric: Hey Don, you know what? You always talk about what belongs in the garage and this and that, but how about garages in general? Our friends at New Jersey Motorsports Park are now introducing an off season winter storage program and I think this is actually really cool because they have these big garages that they use during the year in the paddock.

And they [01:13:00] can be entered from both sides and they’re generally empty when the track is closed. So what they’re doing is they’re making them available from December 1st through March 1st, before the season kicks off, and you can park your car, your trailer, whatever you want. You can store motorcycles, all sorts of power sports equipment, and whatever you have inside of their garages there at the track.

It’s actually kind of cool because they’re selling per bay for a thousand bucks. So to store your car, your trailer, your rig over the winter to get it out of the snow for a thousand bucks. I think that’s a pretty good deal.

Don Weberg: Yeah. I like the idea. That’s really good. But can you decorate it or is it just, you put your car in there and shut up and go away?

Well,

Crew Chief Eric: you only get it for three months.

Crew Chief Brad: Can you put your car on jack stands and constantly take your tools over there to work on it?

Crew Chief Eric: I think you could. They say that electric is included. I mean, why would they include electric other than for the winter? I guess for battery tenders, verified access, they’re locked and they’re secured.

And they say it’s ideal for vehicles, boat, trailers, power sports equipment. And the base size is 15 by 26 [01:14:00] with a 10 by 20 doorway.

William Ross: Well, it looks like they got three different options on this. The way it looks like on the site, you got shade tree garages, VIP garages and event garages. It looks like the two options are your own garage, but.

It doesn’t look like it’s amenities, so to speak, but then your event garage is where you’re there. Then obviously they have those full blown garage condos that are all the rage now that are going up all over the country. Obviously depending on your budget, it can be basic or be full blown garage malls.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, the holidays are also a time of giving. Like we’ve done in the past, we want to give some shout outs to some charities.

Don Weberg: Yes, you’re right, Eric. There are a lot of charities and tis the season for giving back and supporting those who are looking for a little bit extra love this year and who isn’t.

One of our favorites comes from Deb Pollack. She established Drive for a Cure, which is raising lots and lots of money for Parkinson’s research. A disease near and dear to her heart. If you go to her website, she explains all about it. So you can always make a [01:15:00] nice donation there, help her and her paws, even get a little tax write off if you want to.

Bill Warner’s book, On the Other Side of the Fence, it’s a wonderful pictorial of his history running around, literally the United States, taking pictures at different motorsports events. Interesting thing about Bill’s book. He put this all together himself. He got it published himself. 100 percent of the proceeds go for Spina Bifida research and support.

Near and dear to Bill’s heart.

Bill Warner: Hi, this is Bill Warner in Jacksonville, Florida. And I want to wish everybody a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. And I’m also here to promote a book that I did on six decades of motorsports photography from my first race at Sebring, Florida, 1960 to the present. So if you like photo books, this is it.

Each one’s got a little story behind it. To be honest with you, it’s my life from the time I was 16 years old to today. This includes a story from when I did a story with Andy Gibb. On a Gimbala Avalanche Porsche [01:16:00] down at West Palm Beach, Punty Story. I have to thank my friends, Jokin Moss, David Hobbs, Brian Redman, Hurley Haywood, Roger Pinsky, Mario Andretti, Derek Bell, Peter Brock, for the lovely liner notes they did for the book.

They were great to support it and they’re in the book too, so. Each photo has a story behind it. It’s more than just a photo book. So if you’re interested in me, a nice Christmas present for anybody who’s into auto racing and into photography, the book is available through Spina Bifida Jacksonville, or you can send an email to me at Bill Warner at bwracing.

net. And I’ll vector it over to them and we can get this book to you by Christmas. The price is a 100 donation to Spina Bifida Jacksonville, so it’s completely tax deductible. All proceeds from the book go to Spina Bifida Jacksonville to take care of those people born with a terrible birth defect called Spina Bifida.

Drop me a note. Have a Merry Christmas. And thank you so much.

Crew Chief Eric: And William, you’ve got some that are near and dear to your heart. Yes, I do.

William Ross: I help out a couple entities [01:17:00] in my area. One is aluminum cans for burned children. And what’s beautiful about this, we work with over 100 local fire stations. And at those departments, we collect aluminum cans.

And also with fundraising events, donations and whatnot, we help support pediatric burn survivors. We send them to a couple summer and winter camp. So twice a year, you can send them off to a camp and we do it ourselves. They may need started doing something else that we started doing raffles throughout the year and currently right now Don’t buy some raffle tickets.

We are raffling off two half cases of Buffalo trace whiskey So if you’re a whiskey person, you can win yourself six bottles whiskey Acbcohio. org and you can go into the event section you’ll find under there

Crew Chief Eric: and William a little birdie told me you’re working on a Slot car track with David Beattie from Slot Mods Raceways for charity as well.

David Beattie: And for the listeners out there in 2025, William and I are going to work together in bringing a track for a donation to raise some funds for his charities, a charity of his choice. Cause I’m at a point where I really want to give back in any way I [01:18:00] can.

William Ross: But my other thing that’s near and dear to my heart also is I’m a big animal advocate.

I volunteered a couple of animal shelters in my area. Go there, walk dogs, what have you, but I also foster dogs and cats. One thing to understand is a couple hours a week. You could go one day a week for two hours. You don’t have to adopt an animal. You can foster, you can donate. There’s so many ways you can help support your local animal shelter.

Just look into it. Like I said, you’re not looking for 40 hours a week. You can just go there for an hour or two a week. To help walk the dogs, play with the cats. There’s so many different things you can do. They need people just to go in and interact with the animals. What workers you want to do is go for two hours to play with some dogs or puppies or some cats and kittens, and just give them some exercise and give them some entertainment.

Wherever you’re at in this part of the country, look into your local charities. There’s many, many ways you can help out these entities, not just financial, but time, whatnot. There’s a lot of things you can do to help. So just look into it. It’s a very rewarding to help out.

Randy Lanier: Right on. I have a nonprofit called freedom grow.

org. We support cannabis prisoners, non violent. If you haven’t heard of us, [01:19:00] check us out, freedomgrow. org. We do it all through volunteer efforts on our own time. And we support these non violent cannabis prisoners and their families. We do holiday gifting. We do it all through donations. So please check us out, freedomgrow.

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Crew Chief Eric: All right, switching gears for your ride. I know Tanya loves these. I’m gonna get her a set. This is gonna be in her stocking. I bought a set for myself, and I have to blame John Summers, the motoring historian for this, for the Auxedo replacement LED headlight bulbs.

Jon Summers: I’m watching Furious, driving that YouTuber.

Probably too annoying for you. He’s in Kent. He has what you would describe as shit cars. Let’s just cut straight to the chase. But I do like him. I think it’s because I’m just attracted to these YouTubers who have large amounts of terrible vehicles. That they nobly try and keep going, or maybe idiotically try and keep going.

But look, he has this, you know, MX 5, whatever. He has this [01:20:00] relationship with this company called Quartzito, who do H E V life. And it put me in mind of remembering the days when it was cool to do business and travel. When I drive home, I, uh, left late at night. I was running not that fast, but fast enough, you know, a number that I don’t really want to mention on the pod.

And certainly it was fast enough that we came over a rise and over the rise, the road changed direction and I was in the decimals. I was off the road in the desert, literally a cactus up against the nose of the car. Anyway, long and short, having got going again, I realized that what had happened was I had been running too fast for the throw of the headlights.

So in that moment, I was like, I want proper lights. Always wanted HID brighter lights. Surely be able to get the bulbs, right? I don’t want spotlights to make the car look like a rally car at the front of it. I just wanted better bulbs to go in the same. This is what Orbzito do. And this [01:21:00] is the interesting shtick.

I, uh, mentioned it on a previous poll. And what I mentioned was the furious driving advantage. I had bought some on the back of that, on the back of me buying. They mailed me and said, did I want a discount code? I said, yes. My discount code is Motoring Historian. It gives you 15%. That’s awesome. Awesome.

Crew Chief Eric: And you can use promo code motoring historian to get 15 percent off your order of these drop in, no hassle, no fuss, no muss, no ballast, LED replacement bulbs.

I think they’re awesome. It sucks for everybody else on the road that has to see them as I’m coming toward them, but I am not blind. I do not travel by braille at night with a candle out the window like I’m Paul Revere. It’s awesome to be able to see at night. And if you could see Tanya’s face right now.

Executive Producer Tania: I’m restraining

Crew Chief Eric: myself.

Crew Chief Brad: Don’t hold back. Not to go down a [01:22:00] rabbit hole of what we discussed last drive thru. You are why. You are the problem. Why people are getting their windshields tinted. It’s because of these HID lights.

Crew Chief Eric: Think about taking an old crappy headlight and making it awesome. That’s the whole point.

No, they were fine. They were bright enough.

Crew Chief Brad: It’s good enough for a race car on a racetrack. It’s good enough for me on the street.

Crew Chief Eric: Fine is the enemy of great. These are great.

Executive Producer Tania: Can you put these as just the high beam so I can blind everybody else who has these as a regular light? Then I’m into this.

Crew Chief Eric: So if I can’t convince you to buy some oxido headlight bulbs, then I guess we should talk about car care.

We should really clean our headlights. Maybe we should use buffing products or something like that. I

Don Weberg: just did.

Crew Chief Eric: The

Don Weberg: headlights on the Honda with a Griot product, fan bloody tastic. I cannot believe how easy it was to restore the headlights on the Honda. It really had some fogged out headlights. Griot’s [01:23:00] garage ceramic headlight restoration kit.

A real life kit. It comes in a box complete with the, uh, nitrile gloves, the oxidation remover. And the ceramic headlight coating, as well as handheld little circular sanders that you just stick it on like Velcro and you go to town following their instructions, literally to the letter. I was amazed at how easily it ate up all the fog, made them clear.

They literally look very, very, very close to new headlights. So if you or your loved one are in cleaning headlights, or there are some headlights in the family that need to be done, Rio’s Garage Ceramic Headlight Restoration Kit.

Chuck Bennett: Is car wax the perfect holiday gift? I’ve been asked that many, many times. Many years. Somebody wants to give something to someone who loves cars and you don’t know what to give them. Most holiday gifts say you bought something sophisticated or cool. But do they say, [01:24:00] Hey, I know what you love and I love that about you.

Where cars are concerned, there’s a passion involved. There’s fun, there’s thrills, but we need to remember that loving a car is a big job. You’re right. Giving somebody a 16 can for the holiday can be hard to understand. Sometimes it’s not the car that you need. It’s the car that needs you. So let’s talk about a real gift.

Zymal was created because of a love for cars and the exciting people who share a passion for them. We strive to make the best products based upon what kind of fresh ingredients we can find available in nature. This brings the highest quality and absolute best products that any collector or enthusiast could want.

We want people to understand that we’re part of that love for the automobile. And it doesn’t matter whether it’s a grass buggy or a brand new Ferrari. It’s the love of the automobile and the reason why we’re here. When you think [01:25:00] about the holidays, think about that person that really loves that car.

What would bring a smile to their face? It could be something as simple as a card, or it could be some Zymol. We want to wish a happy holiday to everyone from Zymol.

Don Weberg: Number one on the list is Root66, a new wax product by Zymol. Lending their love of natural ingredients and the open road, the Zymol wax company recently released their all new Root66 product line. The complete kit is packaged in a special box and contains the wash, spray wax, and the microfiber. Take care.

Very, very cool for the holiday season. This kit can be personalized with a picture of your favorite car on the box. So if you have a loved one who had a really nice car or a great picture, they love of the car. You can send it to Zymal and have it emblazoned on the Route 66 box. So that’s kind of fun.

Well,

Crew Chief Eric: better still, you use that link that Brad had to get it all cartoonified and then put it [01:26:00] 66 box.

Don Weberg: That’d be fun.

Crew Chief Eric: Absolutely.

Don Weberg: Find that at Zymal. com.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, Don, since we’re still on the topic of DIY and detailing and things like that, and I know that’s a topic that’s near and dear to your past as a professional detailer yourself.

You and I sat down with Dan Williams from Owner’s Pride, and he reached back out to us and he was excited. Excited to let us know that they are kicking off their holiday season with an exclusive early black Friday deal. So for the entire month of November, you can get 25 percent off their premium 16 ounce and one gallon detailing chemicals.

No codes are necessary. The discount is automatically applied to checkout and it applies to favorites like eco wash, which we talked about on the episode with Dan, their ceramic detailer, their ultra wash as well as their bug blaster. So you can learn more about the sale. And all the owner’s pride products at owner’s pride.

com. And don’t forget to tune into the break fix episode that we did with Dan earlier this year. So you can learn all the details about how it works in his own [01:27:00] words.

Crew Chief Brad: I’ve got a list of things that I’ve just been eyeing over the last couple of months for my various vehicles. To start, anybody that has a full size pickup truck, if you’re not exactly my size, it can get difficult to reach things in the back of the truck sometimes.

Rough Country makes a pickup bed cargo storage box that straps into the end where the tailgate is, and you can basically slide it in and out. It creates a nice little bucket, essentially, for you to put your stuff in so it’s not rolling around, doesn’t roll all the way up to the cab and you can’t reach it.

It’s reasonably priced, only 180. So if you’ve got a full size truck and you have trouble reaching things, or even if you put your groceries in the bed of the truck, this is a nice to have. That’s pretty cool. Adding on to the truck bed cargo box from Rough Country. If you’ve got a little bit deeper pockets, you can get the decked truck bed drawer system.

I’ve been eyeing this for years. It’s hard, thick plastic with big drawers that slide all the way back to the cab of the truck. You can put anything in there pretty secure when you lock the tailgate. They don’t take up too much [01:28:00] space. Yeah, you lose some bed height. Fairly expensive, like 1, 500 to 2, 000, depending on your truck and stuff like that.

But they sell boxes and stuff that fit into the sliding drawers and everything. And I think it’s really cool. I’ve been eyeing these for a couple of years. I just haven’t been able to drop the money on them. My truck came with both seats and they’re getting a little weathered now having had the vehicle for seven years.

Been eyeing, you know, catskin leather interiors, but a much more affordable option. I found Seat Cover Solutions. They make luxury looking seat covers that are custom fit to the vehicle. And they’re fairly, uh, reasonably catskins, which can be well over a thousand dollars. These are in the few hundred. So check them out, SeatCoverSolutions.

com. Next on my list. Having just worked on my car and had it on jack stands for a couple months, obviously the battery died, could not get it started, it would not jump, trickle charger didn’t work, I ended up picking up a Noco Boost Plus GB40, put it on the car, hit the exclamation point button, it [01:29:00] started the car in seconds.

From a dead battery. 100 on Amazon. Best 100 I’ve ever spent. Leave it in the vehicle with you. It’s amazing.

Crew Chief Eric: Amen. I’ve got one of these too and it has been a lifesaver. It is awesome. You can charge it with a cell phone cable. I mean, it’s incredible what you can do with this very small lithium power pack.

Yeah. And you can jumpstart, not one car, but multiple cars off of a single charge. And it’s really, really good. It’s worth the money. I haven’t found anything quite like it.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. The noco products are really, really good stuff. This particular one, the GB 40 will charge gasoline vehicles up to six liters and diesel engines up to three liters.

So it’s a very wide range of vehicles that this little box can handle. And it’s compact, it’ll fit, you can charge it right in your other vehicle if you have it with you for emergencies. Next on my list, anybody that’s been on a road trip with Eric, no road trip supplies are complete without your Target or Big Lots plastic bag as your trash bag.

Crew Chief Eric: I thought you were going to say 11 hours. With no music or NPR.

Crew Chief Brad: [01:30:00] No, that’s what the Sirius XM, uh, subscriptions for now, but we’re going to replace those plastic trash bags hanging off your glove box with the Duluth trading trash commander or compact portable car trash bag. It’s cloth throw your little trash in there.

You take it and you dump it somewhere else. When you’re done, it. Takes up about as much space as the plastic bag, but then it’s always with you. So,

Crew Chief Eric: you know, what’s good about this, Brad, this is really helpful because where I live, it’s really hard to get plastic grocery. You got to pay for them.

Crew Chief Brad: They’re 5 cents

Crew Chief Eric: if you can find them, but you know, what’s even more difficult is hanging a paper bag from your glove box.

So this is ideal.

Crew Chief Brad: So there you go. Yeah. Duluth trading. This next one’s just for fun. You know, everybody’s got a car. Winter’s coming up.

Crew Chief Eric: You’re going to be a jabroni if you buy this.

Crew Chief Brad: We don’t want our cars to get cold. We don’t want our gear shift levers to get cold. So one more funny has a hoodie car gear shift cover.

Jabroni. I don’t need to say anything else. It’s basically all I’m going to say is, uh, it’s a hoodie for your gear selector. They come in multiple colors. [01:31:00] They’re 17.

Crew Chief Eric: They are kind of cute though. You’re coming around still jabroni. And one last thing for your ride is a reminder that as we’d like to say on the show, everyone and every car has a story.

So don’t forget about a great stocking stuffer for the petrol head in your life. How about picking up an auto bio tag? That way you can tell the story of your vehicle when you’re at the next cars and coffee. But let’s hear from Paul and Katie Ruprai about how it works and the promotions that they got going on during the holiday season.

Paul & Katie Rooprai: Autobio tags are 49 and that’s a one time fee. It’s yours for life. You can edit it as many times as you want. There’s not a subscription. That is actually the most gratifying thing to share with people is that you are getting your own personal webpage. that you get to customize and you get to tell the story for 49.

We do offer group discounts. So if you have a club or a large collection or something and you want to call us, we’re happy [01:32:00] to work with you on that. And around the holidays, we do offer a buy two, get one free special, which is very, very popular. It’ll be coming up around Black Friday and running through the holidays.

So if we show up at a show, it’s always a buy two get one. It’s a show special as well. They make really good gifts for the car lover and you, you know, you know, you’re going to give it to somebody who is not going to be afraid of the technology. Really nothing to be afraid of. They do make good gifts.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, guys. Wouldn’t be a drive through if we didn’t have some rich people. Things.

William Ross: You gotta put yourself in a new Ferrari. You got some bunch for sale, or a nice Porsche, gimme a call. You wanna get the ultimate Christmas gift for yourself? Get yourself a nice car.

Crew Chief Brad: I’ll have my wife reach out William .

Crew Chief Eric: But if you can’t put a Ferrari in your garage, how about some miniature Porsches?

David Beattie: Right now I’m deciding to release these new, um, half scaled Porsche nine seventeens. They’re art cars, which would be a fiberglass shell, which would be airbrushed, hand painted with rubber wheels and everything, and it would be similar to the 917 that we did. You flip a [01:33:00] latch, the track opens up, and then you, there’s a miniature Le Mans raceway in there.

In 143rd scale, instead of on 132nd, you could actually have, in your office, thing would be about, maybe 7 feet long, 3 feet wide, 917, that opens up and it’s got a miniature raceway in it. And you can race slot cars. And when you’re not racing it, you just click a button and it closes. Looking to bring to market in 2025, there’ll be limited editions.

There’ll be the Steve McQueen, uh, number 20, the winning Salzburg Porsche, the red with the white livery. If

Crew Chief Eric: you’re interested in these hideaway slot car tracks, be sure to check out slotmods. com for more information. Oh, look at this. We have more rich people. Thanks.

Executive Producer Tania: Make sure you put down this winter. If you’re one to ask Santa for presents, maybe you want to ask him.

Ask for this if you’re expecting a little bundle of joy in the future. How would you like a Lamborghini for your baby?

Crew Chief Eric: Wait, wait, wait. Are we talking like Bugatti Baby 2? Because that’s been done before.

Executive Producer Tania: No, we’re talking about a limited [01:34:00] edition baby stroller.

Crew Chief Eric: No!

Executive Producer Tania: Yes. A Lamborghini baby stroller could be yours.

Is it named after a bull like all the other Lamborghinis are? There’s only going to be 500 made. The price isn’t revealed yet on it. But the basis of this stroller costs a thousand dollars. So expect it to cost more than a thousand dollars. Is that all?

Crew Chief Brad: It’s actually not terribly outlandish for a baby stroller.

Crew Chief Eric: Do you know how loud Lamborghinis are? This would frighten the child. We’ll go down there. You know, you know, that V10 sound that they make.

Crew Chief Brad: That trooper that pulled you over would give this person a ticket. 100%.

Crew Chief Eric: I do like the orange stitching though, that is super nice.

Crew Chief Brad: I’m gonna do that to my baby stroller that I probably won’t be using once Adam starts walking.

Boom, done.

Executive Producer Tania: Bring out some Lambo stickers, put them on.

Crew Chief Eric: Yep. So much cheaper.

Executive Producer Tania: Feel like I have a

Crew Chief Eric: Lamborghini. We have to do a holiday update.

Executive Producer Tania: There is news on the front [01:35:00] of the Bugatti Baby 2. No!

Crew Chief Eric: No.

Executive Producer Tania: As if the original Bugatti Baby 2 wasn’t enough, there’s two new things for you to check out on their website.

First is new liveries being released. Nation colors. There’s a blue and white livery. There’s also USA, Monaco, Germany, France, Netherlands, and Belgium grouping. So check out all those different colors. But the most exciting addition

is

Executive Producer Tania: The Carbon Edition Bugatti Baby II. Inspired by the W16 Mistral Roadster, been developed in partnership with the Headley Studios, and each of these are hand built to customer specifications.

The exterior and interior detailing mimics that of the W16 Mistral. The ideal addition to your collection.

Crew Chief Eric: For the low, low price of Enquire. Too much. If it says Enquire, we know the rule, right? You don’t want to know how much it costs. Carbon fiber, it’s got a [01:36:00] way less than the original Bugatti BB2. So now that takes your speed key, you got to be able to squeeze a couple more mile an hour out of this thing.

Executive Producer Tania: You know, it doesn’t talk about that. So we know the top speed of the Pursang and the Vitesse are 45 miles an hour.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s got to do 50.

Executive Producer Tania: Power to weight ratio. Maybe one or two mile an hour more.

Don Weberg: I guarantee if you put me in that thing, it won’t do 45 miles an hour.

Crew Chief Brad: There’s no way. We’d love to focus on the Bugatti Baby 2, but this company, Headley Studios, they make a Bentley.

We make the Bugatti. They have a Ferrari Testarossa J. They’ve got the Aston Martin DB5.

Crew Chief Eric: That’s like the Harrington Go Karts then, right? They do the same thing. We talked about those the last time.

Executive Producer Tania: Well, I believe we did this on a past episode where we each chose from the other models which one we would get.

If it wasn’t the Bugatti and the

Crew Chief Eric: prices were all the same and quiet

Crew Chief Brad: more than you can afford, pal.

Crew Chief Eric: Exactly.

Crew Chief Brad: Baby Bugatti.

Crew Chief Eric: [01:37:00] Well, it’s time we go down South for some eggnog and reindeer.

Executive Producer Tania: All right. So Florida, man.

Crew Chief Eric: Wait, wait, wait. Before we get into that, how do you plan to defrost your Turkey this year?

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, you could just put it in a Tesla and wreck the Tesla.

William Ross: You buy some of those led lights and put those in and just. Park your turkey in front of those lights. That probably does.

Executive Producer Tania: I like that.

Crew Chief Eric: We’ve learned in the past the recommended ways to throw it in your pool, but you know, I’m gonna leave that where it is.

Executive Producer Tania: You could also put it in your Malibu with some candles. Speaking of that, I saw something on Facebook that was an interior shot. Imagine that sitting in driver’s seat looking through the windshield and there were three lit candles on the dashboard and it was defrosting.

It was [01:38:00] defrosting the windshield actively.

William Ross: That’s outstanding.

Crew Chief Eric: Boom. Now we understand. Going back to drive through number one, it has taken us 50 episodes to figure out why somebody put candles. In their car. You’ve solved the mystery. It’s over. We’re done.

Executive Producer Tania: Except I think that person was in Florida. So what they were defrosting, I don’t know.

But back to present day. So we’ve got a good one here.

Oh boy.

Executive Producer Tania: And there’s a video. Florida man smashes porch pirate’s getaway car with rental cyber truck.

Steve & Izzy EILFM: Wait,

Executive Producer Tania: what? It’s a lot. So what happened is random dude, apparently through this company, puts his cyber truck out for somebody to rent. So his Cybertruck is out in the world.

Random dude 2, he’s driving around in rental Cybertruck. He’s on his way home, he strolls up his neighborhood street. What does he see? He sees some guy hurriedly running down his front property. Jumping into a Genesis G80.

Crew Chief Eric: Because he’s stealing the [01:39:00] Christmas presents off of his porch.

Executive Producer Tania: The porch pirate, and this guy finds him.

So what does he think to do? Floor it. What does he want to do? Catch this guy. So watch the video. Watch what happens. Wait for it. Wait for it. Wow. I don’t think he intended necessarily hit him, but he intended to block him because you could only make a left turn at the end of this street. Wow. He couldn’t stop in time.

So not only did he do a good maneuver here, that he got the guy into a tree, But then, unfortunately, he also wrecked the Cybertruck, and in the beginning photo, the whole article, that’s extensive damage on the Cybertruck.

Crew Chief Eric: Didn’t look like that much of a hit. I thought he was gonna pit maneuver him. Angle he was going in.

Now, I will say, he went into warp drive. It was like Picard. Engage maximum warp, right? I mean he just flew up on him. I was like damn that thing can scoot

Crew Chief Brad: watch the other video I did not

Crew Chief Eric: expect

Crew Chief Brad: him to hit the

Crew Chief Eric: tree

Crew Chief Brad: the video from the ring camera You see the guy running a second later. You just see the truck just shoot past

Crew Chief Eric: [01:40:00] whoa Dude, that guy was going back to the future.

There should have been fire underneath those tires. Luckily,

Executive Producer Tania: there wasn’t after he crashed into the back of the Genesis. Great Scott,

William Ross: Marty.

Executive Producer Tania: Wow. That’s going to be covered on Arturo’s rental agreement. Supposedly, they are covering it through the insurance. That’s what the article is saying at that time.

Crew Chief Eric: See, he was a vigilante, self deputized. It’s Florida laws, right? What’s it called?

Crew Chief Brad: Stand your ground.

Crew Chief Eric: Is it stand your ground?

Crew Chief Brad: This is not stand your ground.

Crew Chief Eric: Robbing his Christmas presents off the porch. That’s a good one though. I like that.

William Ross: Elon responded to it. Elon’s got to have said something about it.

I’m sure he’s seen that. I’m sure he’s got a good quip about it.

Crew Chief Brad: The department of government efficiency needs to weigh in. The doge, the doge department needs to

Crew Chief Eric: weigh in. Well, folks, it’s time to quickly go behind the pit wall and talk about motorsports news. In this case, we’re not going to talk about news.

motorsports gifts.

Executive Producer Tania: Don’t forget that you can become an ally of Women in Motorsports North America, WMNA, and also you’re still in time to [01:41:00] sign up for their annual Women in Drive Summit. This year it’s being held right before PRI, the week of December 9th in Indianapolis.

Lyn St. James: I would appreciate that you promote Women in Motorsports North America because that’s ongoing and obviously a lot of your listeners are probably women or young girls or females.

You know, I do have a book out that’s been out for a while, so it’s not new. If people just go to my website, they’re in my garage and I ship them out. And if you tell me you want me to autograph it, I’ll autograph it. Love going to the races. Just go to the races, man. Just go to the races. Have fun.

Crew Chief Eric: Dave Peters and the crew from hbdejunkie.

com would like to extend some discounts to all of their followers. You can use code HBDE junkie at checkout or call Linda and mention HBDE junkie when buying from apex performance to receive 10 percent off. And you can also save 10 percent at G lock breaks by mentioning HBDE junkie when you call 1 844 9 breaks for [01:42:00] your next order.

Crew Chief Brad: Did you know that you can buy track days or gift cards to track events for the petrolhead in your life? Organizations like Hooked on Driving, Chen Track Days, David Murray Track Days, and many others offer you the ability to buy track time for others.

Jason Kennedy: Every year, uh, Auto Interest sells promotional value gift cards for Black Friday.

So if you check out our website in the weeks leading up to and right through Black Friday, you can buy a gift card and pay less than face value for it. So that’s our annual promotion to check out for the holidays. And that’s auto interests with the nasa. com.

Chris Cobetto: Well, the other thing from NASA is I would say that at hyperfest, if you want to come out, if you’re not exactly sure whether you want to get on track, it’s something that you just want to try.

We have something called hyper drives, which is basically a single session HPD E cause we start with HPD one right from the very beginning and have a ladder up through time trials and racing. And if you’re just not sure if you want to get out, if you want to try a sort of low impact [01:43:00] time, but with one of our certified instructors, for 80 bucks you can get on the track and do a 20 minute session.

And it’s a taste test of what we do, and it’s very low impact. So if somebody wanted to check that out, they would just need to come to any one of the NASA events actually in Mid Atlantic, run Hyperdrive sessions. We have a lot of them at Hyperfest. At VIR

Crew Chief Eric: and for the HPDE organizers out there, Joey O’Hara from Track Rabbit, the Motorsports registration platform reached out and he wanted to let HPDE organizers know that they’re offering a 3% deal across the board on their platform for their system.

It’s a 2% credit card fee and a 1% platform fee. So if you’re looking to revamp your HPDE registration system for your next track season, be sure to reach out to Joey at 3 0 2 7 5 7 7 4. Do

Crew Chief Brad: you love garage sales? Do you need to stock up on equipment for next season? Project motoring has some clearance items like undergarments and 2024 production belts good for [01:44:00] five years and you can check it out at projectmotoring.

com forward slash collections forward slash garage hyphen sale

Crew Chief Eric: And we mentioned NJMP earlier. Well, guess what? Not only can you get some garages for the winter, they’re also having their annual Black Friday sale. And instead of things from the pro shop and this and that, they are now offering 50 percent off their private track memberships.

So this is your chance to step up and live out the driver’s dream and secure an exciting

So I got to frame it for you guys. The NJMP drivers club standard memberships are generally available and priced at 20, 000 for the year. So for a limited time, only November the 12th through December the 1st, you can pick up that driver’s club membership for a cool 20, 000. 10, 000 bucks. With that membership, you can receive professional instruction from experienced drivers to master each of NJMP’s two road racing racetracks, Thunderbolt and Lightning.

And don’t forget that Thunderbolt, not [01:45:00] only was it just recently repaved, but is being expanded. Again, you’ll be able to race on the new track before everyone else. You’ll gain access to pro driver days where seasoned professional drivers will lend one on one advice to you as a member. They’ll do track walks, they’ll look at your data, all those kinds of things.

Not only that, you can enjoy delicious catered breakfast and lunches at the finish line pub and relax by the exclusive outdoor pool with your family and your friends, because you’re hosting them as guests as part of your membership. The driver’s club is perfect for those who have a need for speed, looking to improve their driving skills while enjoying the company of the motorsport community, and you can learn all about this exclusive package at njmp.

com. And learn more about the driver’s club benefits and discounts and how to apply before the sale ends on December the 1st, we recently had a Paul Ragsdale, the founder of the autoverse on break fix, and he has an affiliate program and you can get and give 10 percent to you or your network of friends.

If you use the [01:46:00] code GTM 24. When purchasing a paid membership to the autoverse, the way it works is they’ll get 10 percent off the base membership currently valued at 33 bucks, and you get a 33 referral commission. So all he needs is when you sign up for the autoverse use code GTM 24. In addition to that, the IMRRC’s Corvette Sweepstakes is continuing through February of 2025, and it is your chance to win a 2024 Corvette Z06 with a Z07 package.

Details on the Corvette are available on racingarchives. org. If you don’t want the Corvette, that’s okay. There’s always a cash option, and we talk about a really awesome Christmas gift. The proceeds from the sweepstakes go to benefit the continued operation of the international motor racing research center in Watkins Glen, which is a 501c3 non for profit organization.

All right, Brad, we’ve reached that point. Take us home.

Crew Chief Brad: Uh, William, honestly, I didn’t realize you were going to be on the show. So the [01:47:00] gift I have for you is a free membership to our Patreon. So I hope you enjoy it. Eric, of course, for you, a triple A membership for the next time the van breaks. Oh,

Crew Chief Eric: wow.

That’s a good one. Damn.

Crew Chief Brad: Those are my gifts to you all. I hope you enjoy them.

Crew Chief Eric: So, Don, any Christmas gifts or wishes for someone on the panel?

Don Weberg: I wish you all very well. I’m gonna buy you all a copy of Matt Stone’s book about DeLorean so we can all speak intelligently about it.

Crew Chief Eric: Tonya, did you select gifts for anybody?

It doesn’t have to be everybody. Did you select any gifts for anybody on the panel?

Executive Producer Tania: No, I forgot we were doing that.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, that’s okay, because I’m getting you some Oxido LED headlight bulbs, so it’s all good. Guaranteed, you’re getting this. Oh, Bradley, I don’t know. What should I get? The man who has everything.

I don’t have any. Lies, lies. I have to think about it. I have to think about it some more. I want to be sneaky about whatever you get. It’s just going to show up, and [01:48:00] then some cyber truck pirate is going to take it away, unfortunately.

William Ross: Exactly. You know what? There’s always something out there to float your boat.

Talk about all this stuff, and that’s the thing. There’s so many Entities out there that produce stuff, depending on what you’re looking for. If you want something to reproduction, what have you, but all the way up to the full blown custom artwork pieces. And that there’s some really, really cool stuff out there that you can collect and whatever you’re going for.

It’s really interesting when you start looking into it, you can go down that rabbit hole pretty quick and go down pretty far to find some really neat stuff. And again, you got something that won’t break the bank. You find stuff in there for, you know, 20, 30 bucks. You can find stuff for 20, 30 grand. So, Hey, what are you trying to find?

And what are you trying to do with what you want for? I mean, you’re just looking for something for your office. to put on the shelf there to stare at or you’re looking for something to put up on your wall to take up an empty space in your garage because you know next to your car and stuff like that.

There’s just so much cool stuff out there. Hopefully people check out things that we’re recommending and start looking at stuff because they said there’s a lot of cool stuff out there. It says I go on the website as well. Got a lot of cool links for a lot of cool stuff to go hunt down. So there’s a lot of neat stuff out there.

Just go out there and look and go [01:49:00] shop.

Crew Chief Brad: As a reminder, you can find tons of upcoming local shows and events for the holiday season at the ultimate reference for car enthusiasts. Collector car guide. net. We also want to remind people, if you’re looking for that extra special, something to make your garage office, den, or man cave, just a little bit extra, be sure to check out garage style magazine.

com for a list of upcoming auctions and events, along with a curated list of items going up for sale all over the country so that you can make your space unique.

Don Weberg: While we’re still biding our time to get back into print, the digital realm has been very rewarding and interesting. That said, we have a number of back issues still available, and while many have been sold out, lost forever, a few remain.

Check our website for more details on garagetownmagazine. com

Crew Chief Brad: Because after all, What doesn’t belong in your garage?

Executive Producer Tania: It’s been an amazing year for our team. And up to today, we’ve already beat our goal for the year, producing over 100 episodes in a season on the Motoring Podcast [01:50:00] Network, which includes shows like Break Fix, The Motoring Historian, The Ferrari Marketplace, Evening with a Legend, What Should I Buy, and of course, The Drive Thru.

There’s tons more to come as Season 5 concludes in February. We head into all sorts of new and exciting programming for the 2025 season, so stay tuned to Break Fix Podcast and our digital magazine at gtmotorsports. org.

Crew Chief Eric: You’ve probably heard us say many, many times that you can sign up for our Patreon for free and there’s lots of great extras and bonuses on the free tier and this and that, but there are folks in our community, friends of the show, that have gone the extra mile and signed up.

For one of our sponsorship tiers. And we want to acknowledge those folks personally,

Crew Chief Brad: Ashley McAnally, and it’s all in the cards. Podcast

Crew Chief Eric: Bob Barr from the society of automotive historians,

Executive Producer Tania: Mark Shank,

Crew Chief Eric: Mark Hewitt said with such grinchy sarcasm, Bob Gillespie and the green Grand Prix corporation,

Executive Producer Tania: Romano Conti,

Crew Chief Eric: Nicholas Matthews, Janet and Brian were [01:51:00] still

Executive Producer Tania: Andrew Maureen,

Crew Chief Eric: Brett and Michael Sonnerby American muscle.

com

Executive Producer Tania: Brian Young.

Crew Chief Eric: David Scherf. John Caffeci and Project Motoring.

Executive Producer Tania: BJ Harrington, Harper Holmes, Michigan.

Crew Chief Eric: Sean Roberts. Harry Brill.

Executive Producer Tania: Rebecca Griffith. Ryan

Crew Chief Eric: Compton.

Executive Producer Tania: Ron Richter. Dr. Gordon Bell.

Crew Chief Eric: Embracer Ron Sherry. Mike and Chrissy, Storytime, Crutchfield. Additionally, we’d like to thank all of our sponsors who helped us this year.

Start off by saying a huge thank you to William Ross from the Exotic Car Marketplace,

Crew Chief Brad: Garage Style Magazine,

Executive Producer Tania: the motoring historian John Summers,

Crew Chief Eric: our team at ACO USA,

Crew Chief Brad: collectorcardguide. net,

Executive Producer Tania: hptejunkie. com,

Crew Chief Eric: Our friends at the international motor racing research center

Crew Chief Brad: and project

Crew Chief Eric: motoring and many, many others.

Executive Producer Tania: And remember for everything we talked about on this episode and more, be sure to check out the follow on article and show notes available at gtmotorsports. org.

Crew Chief Brad: And a thank you to our co host and executive producer, Tanya. Along [01:52:00] with our other co hosts for this episode, Don and William Ross, thank you so much for coming.

And to all the fans, friends, and family who support GTM, without you, none of this would be possible. Happy holidays, everyone! Ho, ho, ho! And

Don Weberg: we’re out. Please stand by. As the idiot you’ve invited to your show, Is trying to screw everything up.

Crew Chief Brad: I thought that was an actual voiceover.

Don Weberg: That’s cool. Thank you.

Crew Chief Eric: Are you guys ready for this?

This is my favorite drive thru of the year because we get to do show and tell. This is pretty awesome.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: Okay, I guess I’m the only one showing.

Crew Chief Brad: So, so excited.

Crew Chief Eric: So hot right now. All right. All right, Brad. If you’re ready, let’s rock and roll.

Crew Chief Brad: Am I saying, do you have any Christmas? No, no, no, no.

Crew Chief Eric: That was, that was the other part.

And just, you can skip over that.

Crew Chief Brad: You know, I read literally everything that’s on Ron Burgundy folks. Yes.

Crew Chief Eric: Do you want Don to do the ho ho ho? He is Santa Claus in this particular episode. I

Crew Chief Brad: mean, it doesn’t matter. Ho ho ho. See, that’s

Don Weberg: good. You should give [01:53:00] it that Tom’s Groover. Ho ho ho. Don’t you remember that?

How does that go? Now I have.

Crew Chief Brad: I don’t think we need the rest of the intro. I think we just start with that. Yeah. We’re good. Uh, does everybody have the document up first of all, so they can see unlike you,

Crew Chief Eric: we came prepared.

Crew Chief Brad: Oh, Oh, I’m always never prepared. It’d be nice if I actually read through the show notes,

Crew Chief Eric: try to

Don Weberg: arrange that stuff.

What website is this? You guys are on.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, I put a, I put a hyperlink in there.

Don Weberg: I’m not that tech Eric, come on now. I’m going to write it down and send it to Carrier

Crew Chief Brad: Pigeon with the website for you.

Executive Producer Tania: I tried to click on it and like a couple other links, my antivirus got angry with me with the big thing in the middle of my screen saying, I was under attack, so.

Don Weberg: Actually, Eric, I want to interject something because you made me think, which you know how bad that hurts me. I don’t like doing that.[01:54:00]

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Highlights

Skip ahead if you must… Here’s the highlights from this episode you might be most interested in and their corresponding time stamps.

  • 00:00 Introduction and Sponsorships
  • 00:38 Holiday Shopping Guide Kickoff
  • 02:08 General Gift Ideas and Auctions
  • 07:50 Model Cars and Legos
  • 21:32 Books for Petrolheads
  • 36:27 Artwork and Collectibles
  • 41:43 Gerald Lang’s Automotive Art
  • 42:54 Limited Edition Prints by Juan Fangio
  • 44:19 Canvas and Metal Art for Car Enthusiasts
  • 45:33 Custom Car Art and T-Shirts
  • 46:09 Music and Cars: The Perfect Pair
  • 49:39 Motorsport Watches
  • 56:18 Motorsport-Inspired Fashion and Accessories
  • 01:05:44 Garage Tools and Gadgets
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In Episode 31 of INIT Talks, host Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya (@LoveFortySix) welcomes back the talented Nina Hahn (@downforce_girl), a lightning-fast sim racer and a driver for Olympus eSports and the Screen to Speed Dream Team. Nina shares updates on her racing journey, her experiences as a top-level sim racer, and her ambitions to transition into real-life motorsport.

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This episode dives into Nina’s passion for sim racing, the competitive environment with Olympus eSports, and her role in the Screen to Speed Dream Team. She discusses how her virtual racing experiences fuel her drive to pursue real-world racing and the steps she’s taking to make that dream a reality. Her story is one of relentless ambition and love for motorsport.

Whether you’re a fan of sim racing, inspired by drivers chasing their dreams, or curious about the pathway from virtual racing to real-life tracks, this episode offers an exciting glimpse into Nina’s world. Don’t miss this engaging conversation with one of the fastest and most determined drivers in the sim racing community!

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  • 00:00 Introduction to Screen to Speed
  • 00:49 Meet Nina Hahn: Licensed Racing Driver
  • 01:13 The Dream Team and Upcoming Events
  • 03:51 Sim Racing Highlights and Achievements
  • 05:27 Getting Started in Sim Racing
  • 07:19 Equipment Evolution and Key Upgrades
  • 10:04 The Experience of Oval Racing
  • 17:01 Real-Life Racing and Formula Student
  • 22:35 Electric Formula Racing Experience
  • 30:04 Combustion vs. Electric: A Mechanic’s Perspective
  • 31:40 Debating the Future of Motorsports
  • 33:12 Electric Cars: Changing Perspectives
  • 34:50 Formula Woman Competition Experience
  • 38:01 Challenges and Triumphs in Women’s Racing
  • 40:09 Sim Racing Community and Inclusivity
  • 42:41 Joining Olympus eSport Team
  • 46:27 Behind the Scenes of Race Control
  • 01:00:33 Future Goals and Aspirations
  • 01:03:50 Conclusion and Farewell

Transcript

Crew Chief Brad: [00:00:00] Welcome to Screen to Speed powered by INIT eSports. In this podcast, we dive into the journeys of remarkable individuals making waves in sim racing and bridging the virtual with the real. From the thrill of digital circuits to the roar of real life racetracks, we explore the passion, Dedication and innovation that drives the world of motorsports.

We’ll hear from athletes, creators, and pioneers sharing their stories, insights, and the powerful ways sim racing is connecting communities and creating pathways into motorsports. So buckle up screen. The speed starts now.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Hi everyone. Welcome to new talks. Uh, happy to see everybody here. Uh, today we got Nina. Han, she’s a licensed racing driver, uh, also racing store for one of the [00:01:00] biggest, uh, league in racing ever, uh, and some racing, uh, driver for Olympus Esports and also part of the Dream Team. Welcome, Nina. Hello! Happy to have you here.

Uh, so can you tell me a bit more about the Dream Team and let’s start from this and, uh, what, uh, event you’re planning to do in the future? Sure.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, sure. So, um, the dream team is basically a team that was created out of the screen to speed movement, basically, where we had just, um, the first event we did was the VCO infinity.

And for that, we needed like a, Yeah, a bit more of a fixed team that could do like bigger events together and for the VCO Infinity it was me, um, BaltzGewisser, for example, um, Yvonne as well and, um, Victoria Mello and Sarah Dove. Did I miss anyone? [00:02:00] I don’t think so. I don’t think so. Okay. Yeah. And, um, so we now have our newest addition Esmeralda as well.

So, um, we are planning to do the 24 hours of Daytona in January together, probably as like, um, four driver team. In, yeah, we’ll see like probably LMP2 class, but we’re not entirely set on that yet, but already looking forward

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: to,

Nina Hahn: um,

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: to that race. Yeah, Daytona will be one of the biggest events in racing, definitely.

We’re going to have a bunch of teams, a lot of drivers, and, uh, not a big fan of LMP2, to be honest, but, uh, if you enjoy that, I’ll be happy to, to see you in Daytona 24. Um, how was it for you to be the part of the Dream Team and, uh, No, but what’s different in this team compared to other, uh, where you take a part also?

Nina Hahn: Yeah, it’s really cool. Um, [00:03:00] because also because it’s under the umbrella of the, um, screen or rather under init esports, uh, we had great connections to different companies and everything also to people who were able to coach us and just give us very, very good insights so we can prepare very well for events and also obviously having, um, A great realized driver, like, by the team is always a huge, like, number one, a huge honor.

And also just, um, yeah, amazing to be, um, driving with her. Also, I met her after our first race, then at the 24 hours of Nordschleife. Or like, of Nürburgring, I think is the official name, and that was very cool, so I’m really glad that I got asked to be on this team, and yeah, can’t wait for the next race.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, I wish you good luck for this race, definitely will be a great event, I’m waiting for it also, I think I’m going to take a part in it with Olympus Sport, as I [00:04:00] did the two previous years, um, what was your brightest sim racing event which you did in the past? Well

Nina Hahn: The biggest, or like, where I got, like, the biggest prize, uh, was the, uh, Scream 2 Speed Invita Women’s Day Invitational last year, where I, um, won, actually, like, a sim rig from, uh, Sabbelt, which is just, like, an awesome prize.

And, um, there are, there are many great races, though. So, for example, I think two weeks ago, I also did like the 23 hours of Zolder, like Jimmy Broadbent’s, um, race for charity, you know, where we could race, I think over a hundred thousand pounds, which is insane. Wow. And yeah, it’s, it’s crazy. And yeah, there are many great races.

Obviously, like the first, um, 24 hour race I did with Olympus, for example, was a great one. Also [00:05:00] then, um, where we won a Daytona 24 hour race, an hour split as well. And yeah, there are plenty of really, really cool races and they are all special in their own

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: way. Yeah, understandable. I’m in the same way. So when someone asks me like, can you highlight the one event?

I just can’t do this because a lot of really cool races, a lot of nice events happen in sim racing all the time. And especially in the racing. Um, can you tell me, uh, when did you start sim racing and how was it? How? How did you get into this passion?

Nina Hahn: Um, that’s a bit tricky to answer because I was playing Need for Speed as a kid, you know, here and there, like Underground 2 and those kind of games.

And after that, I didn’t really drive much or wasn’t really that into it. interested in cars actively, uh, until probably like [00:06:00] around 2016 where I, uh, got like a cheap wheel. It was like, I think a Thrustmaster T150 or something. And I did dirt rally on that one because it was just, it seemed like a cool challenge to just, you know, race with like pace notes, and then I did that for a little bit and also did like project cars or set a course and stuff, but never really like as what you would call sim racing, and it only started in, I think, 2018, where I wanted to take it a bit more serious because I was part of the formula student team of my university.

And we always had a driver selection where the fastest two of our team would be able to drive the race car internationally against other universities. And I obviously wanted to do that. And that’s where I also created my iRacing account and started practicing a bit. And [00:07:00] then in the 2019 season, I was fast enough to qualify as one of the two main drivers for our team.

And it’s. Such an amazing experience that I’ll never forget in my life.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Awesome. Um, so can you tell me, um, what equipment? So you already tell me that you had a Thrustmaster T150. Yeah. Uh, can you tell me what do you got now? And, uh, Also, it will be great to know, uh, what was the big, uh, biggest improvements in your equipment.

Because, uh, for example, for me, there was, uh, definitely low tail pedals. So, when I switched from G27 pedals, uh, to TLCMs, I was like, Wow, I can, you know, consistently, uh, brake in and control the car in a better way. So, for me, there was, uh, just game, uh, Changer, uh, what was it, uh, what it was for you?

Nina Hahn: Uh, yeah, definitely.

Uh, I would also probably say it’s load cell pedals, uh, or like a load cell break. That’s the most [00:08:00] important one and Yeah, I At first when I got this load cell pedals, I didn’t have a rig to mount them. So I had to practice pushing down with my heel on the base plate as to not like flip away the pedals when I brake harder and that was quite difficult because at the time I was living in a student dorm and I had an old BMW, just a street car BMW seat just on the floor propped against like a thing so it wouldn’t fall over and then my pedals and still the T150 mounted on the on the desk and that’s where I really break properly and how to, um, yeah, how to do it more with the muscle tensing up instead of the movement of your foot.

And then obviously another great improvement, which is similar to that one was when I got like a proper rig, like the one that’s behind me here. [00:09:00] And also with that, I had a used, um, wheel base. It’s. It’s the one I still use, it’s the CSL Elite from Fanatec. It’s still belt driven, um, but that’s definitely way better than the T150 I had back then.

Also it allowed me to just have different wheels, so I have a formula wheel and a round wheel depending on if I drive NASCAR or formula stuff and everything. And for me, my rig, I always wanted to race in a formula style. Rick, so that’s why I have here. I always like laying down very much and it’s very comfy.

And that’s also what I just knew from the Formula student, you know, those, those were like open wheel race cars and you’re laying in the car completely. So that’s the position I was the most comfortable in and still am. And yeah, that’s probably the second like big improvement I had.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: I think that Rick is really important because uh, driving position, uh, So you, you have to feel comfortable, uh, in your rig and to race for many hours.

[00:10:00] Sometimes we’re having like really long endurance races. Yeah. And such a stuff. Yeah, exactly. Um, can you tell me, so you mentioned that you, uh, doing ovals and, uh, I know that you’re doing road, uh, races in that racing. Uh, can you tell me more about, uh, how is it to be in ovals? Is it a lot more different compared to road racing?

Yeah,

Nina Hahn: like the type of driving is definitely quite different because you’re It’s very meditating after a while, in my opinion, and it requires a bit of a different skill set, because you’re always kind of on like the edge of grip, but if you’re overstepping it, even if you’re not losing the car, but you’re overheating the tires way too much, so you have to really, Be very careful how you load the tires and everything.

And yeah, it’s just different. But I think overall that also makes you a [00:11:00] better driver. If you’re able to drive multiple different types of racing. That’s also one of the reasons why I then in iRacing went to get all my ILS. A licenses on every, um, how do you say, like every class. So on Oval, on Road back then, before the split, and then Dirt Oval and Dirt Road.

I got A class in all of those. But also on the side, I did a bit of drifting in a set of Corsa, for example. And Every bit of, yeah, different driving styles that you learn, I think, improves how you drive any other car.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s true. Um, I think the Ovals also give me a lot of different experience compared to road races.

Uh, so you get opportunity to drive side by side with everybody. For the whole race, like, you’re not getting this in road races, usually. Um, it’s a great experience, definitely, and, uh, when someone coming to my streams, I also recommend [00:12:00] them, like, you have to try all those, that’s different experience, you’re going to gain, um, some different skills which going to help you, uh, in road races as well.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, very much. And also with Oval, for me, I drive in VR, and I, especially on Oval, that is a real, like, it helps so much because you can just quickly glance to your right or to your left and see if the car is still there, how far it is away and everything, and it being three dimensional gives you like a very natural understanding of how How much space you have and yeah to avoid crashes and everything also if cars are spinning in front of you It’s in my opinion way easier to judge distances and how to avoid crashes and everything So that’s my preferred way

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: to drive in vr Yeah, vr is awesome.

Uh, unfortunately, I didn’t have opportunity to try it in a racing. Uh, try it Long time ago in the set of [00:13:00] Corsa that was in 2017 or something like this, but it was like, wow, you know, you actually like sitting in a race car. It was a great feeling. Definitely. So, yeah. I think that if I will have opportunity in the future, I’ll get VR just to try it.

Uh, because, uh, in my opinion, I think triple screen is great for, um, you know, long races, some endurances, and for streams, of course, but, uh, uh, for different feelings, for, uh, like, great emotions, I think VR is a cool thing to have.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, definitely. And I I like the realism of it, because I, I drive lots of open wheel stuff, so formula cars, for example, and I, I just like using a minimal amount of overlays or anything, so I even turn the virtual mirror off a lot of the time and just drive with the in car mirrors, which is cool.

don’t really work on like screens in my opinion [00:14:00] but in VR if you move your head it also like changes what you see in the mirror like in a real mirror and that just yeah to me is that’s how I want to learn how to drive because I have very um yeah real expectations or goals in real life racing and there you don’t have a virtual mirror that just floats around above your head.

So you need to use the actual mirrors and I want to just have that muscle memory and just being comfortable with grabbing mirrors.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s great. Uh, can you tell me what is your, uh, favorite combo right now in a racing? I know that you in a racing most of the time. Uh, so can you tell me your favorite oval combo and your favorite road combo as well?

Nina Hahn: Um, oval is difficult because I I don’t have that many tracks, to be honest, but I always enjoy the short tracks, definitely. [00:15:00] So, um, also, like, in, like, the lower powered cars, so not really, like, the big NASCARs, they are fun as well. But especially something like the Street Stock or something is really Those on short ovals is just where my biggest enjoyment in ovals comes from.

And then on road, yeah, as I said, I drive mostly formula cars. And there is just, um, Road Atlanta, like F4 on Road Atlanta, or also Super Formula Lights. They’re just great on that track. And then if you go, um, To like sports car, I guess probably the LMP two is one of my favorites. And then track is difficult because I wanna say the North Lifer, but that doesn’t fit very well with the LMP two , uh,

So yeah, there are many great tracks. I mean, I like Daytona, obviously. Um, I. Trying to think of more. Yeah, I think probably still wrote Atlanta. I just I love that track. It’s [00:16:00] it’s a great track

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: So you wrote Atlanta girls as I

Nina Hahn: yeah, definitely I really really want to drive on that track in real life at some point.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah me too I think that’s a great track with all the elevation changes and it’s hard to drive and at the same time It’s like, you know roller coaster. It’s so it gives you a lot of excitement when you drive in it even in simulator it’s So, uh, cool. And, you know, when some, uh, crashes happen in Nessus, for example, you getting, uh, this fear and, you know, even in the simulator, it’s cool.

Nina Hahn: And even like in, that’s also a track that is very rewarding if you get it right, in my opinion, especially something like turn three or something where if you’re doing it right, you can easily get like two tens or something. And then, um, that’s always. Yeah. It’s just so rewarding if you absolutely hit, hit it and everything

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: and then, uh, yeah.

Yeah, that’s true. I [00:17:00] absolutely agree with you. Uh, let’s return back a little bit to your past. So you mentioned that you, uh, did some formal student, I, uh, read that you did this, uh, project also in your, uh, like university. Can you tell me more about this?

Nina Hahn: Uh, yeah. So it’s like a, um. design competition, I think is the best translation, where university students build a race car every year, year, and just race against other universities on tracks across, like, we went to tracks in Europe, there’s also tracks in Australia and the US and everything.

And, uh, yeah, it’s. Our car was, to give like some example, our car was less than 400 pounds, so less than 180 kilograms, but it had over 80

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: horsepower,

Nina Hahn: and that, that, like, with like a huge aero package, you had up to like three G’s during cornering, which was insane. It’s really, really crazy to drive [00:18:00] and, um, yeah, it’s, it’s probably the craziest car I’ll drive in my life.

And you actually can see like here, a picture of it. I can also get it closer if you want to see. Um, To maybe, maybe I should do that. Yeah, that gives you a bit more Yeah, you can of a, of a perspective of what those kind of cars look like if you’ve never seen one before. So it’s, uh, can you see this?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yes.

Nina Hahn: Yeah. Wow. And so, yeah, these are insane . Um, yeah, I was part of that team in the aerodynamics. So I, yeah, did a lot of CFD and also CAD to, yeah, design and simulate all the aerodynamics on the car. And that’s also a big passion of mine, like aerodynamics in general, especially like also, In Formula One, when you always see like the little new things that they add and [00:19:00] everything, that’s, that’s really where my passion lies for those kind of cars.

Um, yeah. And then I, obviously in 2019, as I said, I managed to be a driver for that team. So I was driving on the Hockenheimring, the Red Bull Ring in Austria. Circo de Catalunya in Barcelona in Spain and I mean not the full layout, like a shorter layout, but still it’s so incredible to drive like on real racetracks and in these kind of cars and against other universities, obviously.

So, yeah, it’s a very, very cool experience.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s great. Yeah, car looks awesome. And also with a lot of fire stuff. I love it. Uh, can you tell me, was it your first ever experience in real life or you did maybe some karting before or something like this? Well, I did like rental karting

Nina Hahn: like a few times. But not [00:20:00] really that much.

Um, mainly as a kid. And, obviously, as a kid I already really enjoyed it and told my parents, Yeah, I want to do this more and here and there. But like, you know, my parents just weren’t able to afford that. Which is, you know, that’s normal, I guess. Because it can get expensive quite quickly. So, uh, I couldn’t pursue it back then.

And then I kind of forgot about it, as I said, until I was much older. And yeah, then like rental cars here and there. But that was the first time in an actual race car on, like in an actual competition. And yeah, that’s, that’s very much where I, where my passion for, driving race cars really took off because obviously it was there before that’s why I practiced for it but it’s it’s something like if you if you’ve driven a race car once then you yeah you always want to continue

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: yeah that’s true it’s uh it give [00:21:00] you great emotions and adrenaline and all this stuff yeah it’s It’s so exciting.

I think

Nina Hahn: you

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: also drove like, uh, some real race cars at some point, right? Yes, I did some, uh, karting. So I started from nine years old, uh, did professional karting, uh, won four times championship of Kazakhstan, then moved to open Villers. I did, um, Like, right now it’s old school, uh, because I did Formula Bart, uh, it’s with a stick gearbox, uh, and, uh, Awesome.

It was a 200 horsepower, 1. 4 turbo engine. It was really cool. So this car, actually, between Formula 4 and Formula 3, so it’s a little bit faster, uh, than Formula 4, uh, with, uh, better aero and everything. Um, yeah, this car was really fun to drive, and also I did some formal BMW, uh, at Sepang. I’m still waiting, uh, when I race and go on to add this track, because I read somewhere, uh, that they’re planning to do this.

Uh, absolutely amazing track. Um, so [00:22:00] yeah, uh, that was great experience, uh, which I had and, uh, also give me a lot of skills, which I, uh, continue to improve in sim racing as well.

Nina Hahn: Yeah. That’s also something that I noticed. Like if you, if you felt what a real race car is doing in real life, it’s, it’s definitely giving you skills that you can translate into sim.

And the other way around as well. So, um, it, it tells you kind of like what the tire does. And, um, yeah, it just makes it to me easier to like drive right on the slip angle. Because I kind of know what it felt like in real life and

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: yeah, yeah, that’s true Can you tell me you did also some electric formal for?

Tell me more about this event and how much time you spent in the car and how is it? To compare to the virtual one which we got in a racing

Nina Hahn: Um, yeah, that was for a driver [00:23:00] selection, um, sponsored by racing pride for like a full season in that championship that was planned. It would, would have been a support series of the ETCR, which would have been a support series of Formula E.

So it would have been even broadcast on television and everything. Uh, sadly that didn’t like, Didn’t end up happening. Um, I also didn’t get the seat, which, which is fair enough. There are other amazing rivers there, but it was electric formula four. So it was like a prototype. Um, on a formula four chassis, but.

And it was a day at Zolder. We spent the whole day there. I was in the car twice. I couldn’t even say how many laps I did. Um, and yeah, it was, it was just overall amazing to be driving like a bigger car. race car. Like the Formula students, as I said, were great and everything, but they are also, [00:24:00] um, very short geared.

So like the top speed was in fourth gear, like 140 or something, 150 maybe, but like the straights were also very short. And then being in a Formula 4 on like a full race track with like long straights and everything, it just, uh, yeah, gave you a completely, not completely, but like a bit of a different racing experience.

because he had more time on the straights to actually like, yeah, breathe for a second. But, um, yeah, it’s also like one of my absolute highlights that I did in racing because how cool is it to be driving a Formula 4 car, obviously, especially for someone who loves Formula cars, open wheel cars. And, um, they’re like, the first stint I went out was kind of more like, uh, okay, get comfortable with the car and the track and everything.

And yeah, that’s, um, That was more like siding laps and just checking the car and everything. [00:25:00] And then in the second stint, it was more like, okay, now, um, go faster and like, you know, try the car and everything. And that’s when really the suspension started working. So you could actually, when you load the tires and everything, you can really feel the suspension like moving and everything.

Because before that it was quite stiff because you’re going slow, but with a bit of speed, the car felt so natural and so great to drive. Um, obviously it being electric, I had to adjust my throttle control a little because you have all the torque instantly if you push the pedal. So I spun once on throttle, but I wasn’t the only one, so that’s fine.

Uh, it was a new experience for all of us and yeah, I would have, would have loved to drive that car more often and who knows, maybe stuff develops in the future or something, but, uh, yeah, it’s, it was a great experience and comparing it to iRacing, it’s kind of similar, but also different. Obviously, [00:26:00] it not being electric on iRacing, but with a combustion engine makes it a bit different how you can apply the throttle also because it like the F4, for example, doesn’t have that much power.

So you can. don’t have to be that gentle on the throttle. But the general physics of it is really good. It’s really comparable to how it felt on the, yeah, in the real car. And every time, just driving F4 and Zolder, it’s just bringing back memories. And it’s, it’s just, yeah, such a cool thing. And yeah,

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s great.

I also, uh, I raced, uh, at Formula 4 in 2019. That was exactly the same chassis which we got in a racing, uh, and notice the same thing as you, so it’s, it’s really close in a racing to what we got in real life. It’s, it’s really cool, actually, to finally drive the car which you, uh, drove in real life and then you Guided in simulator.

It’s a great feeling. Yeah, I absolutely agree with you. [00:27:00]

Nina Hahn: Yeah, definitely and also like the Um cars for the year era championship back then They were still based on the older one without the halo So, that was also a cool experience, um, and that’s also where I learned that in Formula cars, the mirrors can’t really see much in them, so.

You very much have to, have to trust everyone around you, but also give the other cars, um, space, which is something that, um, oftentimes is when people only drive the sim I think they don’t have that much of a feel for it because they always expect you to have like your mirror set up or like a spotter or anything but in real life you don’t have that always and sometimes you just can’t see much in your mirrors and you if you’re leaving the pits then or if you’re driving and someone else is leaving the pits you just must expect them to not be able to see you because that’s how it is sometimes [00:28:00] And But that’s also like where I get a bit of a reflex to just avoid incidents in sim because I just Tend to give people a little bit more space which then just doesn’t create these like weird situations where it’s inevitable that you get a contact and I think that also has Um, had a big impact that I know how little you see and also the kind of, I don’t want to call it fear, but if you, if you go into a corner really fast in real life, it just, it’s different than in sim because you feel the G forces and the speed.

And it’s just, it’s, it’s something that the sim doesn’t get across, which is fair enough, but, um, it’s, it’s something that makes it way more, you can appreciate real race car drivers way more if you know what it, These corners can feel like and then seeing people in F1 or even other motorsports just absolutely sending It’s so amazing to see [00:29:00] As

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: you mentioned, uh about the view in the formal car, I just remember, uh my first time, uh in Test session and formulas.

So I switched from karting and you know in karting you like you’re sitting outside. You can see everything Just like on on the bike, for example so when I first time get into the formal car was like How I’m going to erase the track, like I can’t see anything, you know?

Nina Hahn: Yeah, you can see like the top of the tires and then like to your left are like the big headrests and you have a hands device so you can’t move your head forward and you can only do this and you don’t see much else.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, true, you know, that was a, that was a big shock for me. But then after some time, I just, you know, lab by lab. Uh, started to get used to that and it just, uh, you know, more natural. And then you like kind of feel the car as a part of you and, uh, you can, uh, keep the distance to other cars [00:30:00] and yeah, do all the stuff.

Uh, can you tell me, are you more, um, like fuel head person or are you uh, enjoy that we uh, got more electric cars and racing as well and on the streets also?

Nina Hahn: Um, well it’s a, it’s a cool technology definitely and also I’m, I’m a mechanic, you know, in real life as a job. Um, so I, I work on both. Um, and there, They’re just different, you know, they, they both have their pros and cons.

Obviously, like sound and emotion is more in combustion engines. But also with modern, very modern combustion engines, they’re like running so perfectly and everything that you don’t have that much raw emotion anyway. So electric is cool, but I still prefer just a [00:31:00] combustion engine because it’s, you know, I don’t know, it’s, it’s the way that it develops power, it just feels more raw and more, with more emotions to me.

Um, which is also a big part of driving, you know, you want to enjoy it, not just be fast, but you want to enjoy being fast. And I’m not saying you can’t do that with electric, but it’s, it’s just different. And obviously driving it itself is different, because as I said, throttle application, because you have all the torque instantly if you want it, which is a pro and a con.

It’s just different. Hmm. You know, it, it depends on how, how good you can control your right foot. Um, but yeah, it’s, um, it’s just different. It’s, mm-Hmm, difficult to compare.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah. To be honest, I, uh, can’t imagine that, uh, NASCAR going to go for Ines car one day, uh, because I just really enjoy when they go in on the all holes and with the, with this, uh, engines and, you know, like, here’s a 40 cars on track.

It’s, uh, [00:32:00] it’s great.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, and especially, I think, if you’re going to watch motorsports as a fan, like in the stands, part of why you’re going is the sound, at least that’s it for me. And I understand that cars don’t have to be insanely loud, like they used to be, uh, but I think a certain level of volume and just like, you know, like that the air vibrates around you, uh, that’s for me part of motorsports kind of.

And. With electric, you don’t have it, or like, at least you can probably, it depends. Like, I also saw, for example, a company that, um, swapped like an E36, I think, BMW E36, to fully electric with straight cut gears. And a lot of sound was coming from the straight cut gearbox, but they also had electric motors that were built for motorsports, so not for passenger cars, so they weren’t quiet, but they actually made sound.

And that was [00:33:00] very interesting as well. And Who knows, like, if the development goes in that direction, then I can definitely see how electric sound can also be very, yeah, and joyful and passionate.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, alright, um, I think I agree with you, like, uh, you know, we just have to accept that technology is going forward and, uh, probably we’re going to have some series with electric.

Cars, uh, some of this year is going to stay with, uh, um, like classic engines. Um, so that’s absolutely okay. I was, uh, really against electric cars, uh, maybe five years ago or so. Uh, but right now I see them on the streets and it’s really cool. Um, one time I was in taxi, it was fully electric car and it’s really quiet.

So as a passenger, you really, uh, enjoy that, like no vibration and, uh, you just chilling and uh, enjoy the, the journey. It’s, it’s really cool.

Nina Hahn: Yeah. [00:34:00] Um, I just read, uh, in the chat and I see like, I think your webcam is frozen, just saying. Um, but yeah, it’s like, um, in definitely in passenger cars, it’s a huge pro because it’s just comfortable.

You don’t hear much and you just, yeah, like, um, I worked at a BMW dealership. So I had also a lot of, um, new cars, like the new, I don’t know, BMW i7, for example, which is an absolute spaceship. And it’s just so comfortable because it’s just quiet. You can, you can drive for hours and hours and it’s just quiet, which is obviously like for a passenger car, a great thing.

But for racing, I just, um, I like the sound of race cars. So

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: yeah, me too. I agree with you. In that, uh, can you tell me a bit more about the event, which you did also in real life, there was a formula woman. Yeah. So can you tell me a bit more about? Yeah. [00:35:00]

Nina Hahn: Uh, yeah, that was also a, um, a competition that I did this April, I believe it was start of April.

Um, that was in the UK at cattle park, uh, which was very cool because it was exclusively for women. And the winner of the event, uh, got like a race seat in a radical series in the UK. And, uh, yeah, it was a three day competition with, um, also some very cool, uh, just, uh, talks that we attended and like great people talking and like talking about the experience, but also how to, you know, not just drive, but also how to be healthy and how to.

yeah, care for yourself on the off time when you’re not racing and everything. So I was very informative and um, then we obviously got on track and we had um, I think I went on track three times and um, the last [00:36:00] time was in a BMW M, no, M240 or something, like not an M2 but like one of these like slightly below and uh, yeah, that was great.

It was really tricky conditions, so it was like drizzling on and off and, you know, perfect British weather, obviously. And, uh, Kerbal Park is an amazing track. I definitely recommend driving there on like a track day if you get the chance. Because it’s, it’s quite narrow, but it’s also very three dimensional, so you have a lot of like ups and downs and everything.

And it’s just great fun, especially in the wet, because The car was constantly dancing and you had to really like make sure not to overstep it and just Push it but not overstep it and then apart from the driving. We also then had Fitness assessments. We had media training. We had also some some Technological things where like brake bias setup stuff was discussed and I [00:37:00] got all the way into the finals Actually, I also have like the uh little glass trophy.

I have yes Here for being in the final And um, yeah also a great experience uh so You Definitely if they, if they’re going to do another event, I’m definitely going to take part in that as well. And yeah, it was, I think around like 70 women or something. And I got into like the last 15 and, um, yeah, I’m, I’m kind of proud of that one.

And it was a great, great experience all around because just being around like a full paddock of women who are into motorsports, it’s just so cool because you, you really don’t have that usually. It’s mostly guys and like, maybe there’s one other girl, but oftentimes you’re the only one. And, um, yeah, it was just cool to have like all women around and everyone was so supportive and it was just a great atmosphere and I can fully recommend that for any women out there.[00:38:00]

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that sounds, uh, similar to W Series event, so it was a part in, uh, selection event in, uh, January 2019. Uh, it was a really cool experience, so I didn’t get, unfortunately, into, uh, the W Series, uh, because, you know, that there was a first time when I was driving, so we’ve been in Austria. Um, on the small track, uh, small racing track.

And, uh, it was a January with winter tires. We had a Porsche Cayman, um, GTS, and they give us some kind of, you know, drifting exercises, something like this. So it wasn’t really good at this, uh, because I, I just, you know, didn’t have experience with, uh, like road cars on the racing track ever. So it dropped only, uh, like karting and then open wheelers.

Um, So, yeah, it was really hard for me, but, uh, the atmosphere and, uh, a lot of, uh, women, uh, on this event, it was, uh, it was great [00:39:00] to see. Um, because they all really, uh, dedicated into what they’re doing and, yeah, that was awesome. And that’s kind of sad that W Series, uh, just, uh, like, cancelled and, um, no longer, uh, having any racing seasons, uh, but it was really, uh, great.

Uh, fun, like three years for this series and this selection event, um, was great.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, I bet. Like the whole series was great. Yeah. I always, obviously support women in motorsports and that was just such a cool series to see, like just all women, but also with F1 Academy. That’s also just like every time like cool to watch because I know it’s just it’s just cool to see like women being represented that like majorly In motor sports as well these days because for a long time, I guess it just wasn’t a thing But that’s, that’s starting to change a bit and I’m very glad about that.

And yeah. [00:40:00]

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, me too. I can notice that, uh, like more women, uh, working in motorsports also appear in sim racing and it’s a really cool thing to see. Um, how do you feel overall, uh, to be a girl in sim racing? Uh, do you maybe meet some toxic people here or like a community most, mostly, uh, welcome and friendly?

Nina Hahn: Yeah, it depends what kind of stuff you drive. Definitely. Uh, so like on like road or formula stuff, I usually don’t have issues. Um, people are usually fine. Um, yeah. Ovals is probably also fine, but like, dirt ovals is oftentimes not that welcoming to women. Um, I usually just turn off the voice chat, um, which, which is fine, you know, it’s, I don’t know, if it’s, if it’s their guys like, place, then sure, whatever, they can do whatever they want.

I just, I needed to do quite a few races for [00:41:00] my A license there, and then I just, um, yeah, I did hear some not so nice things, and like, you do get these, like, occasionally. But I think at this stage, it’s oftentimes, um, not that much of a problem. Like, yeah, as I said, like, sometimes you get just toxic people, but I guess everyone gets it.

And, um, yeah, it’s, it’s just easy to, to call out girls for being girls in cars. But I think overall, um, people are also happy to see women in sim racing. Because, uh, yeah, it’s, I don’t know, it’s just, it’s just cool. And we’re all, we’re all on track to be fast. So, you know, it shouldn’t matter what gender you are.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s true. Um, I think that everybody equal, especially in sim racing, where you don’t have, like, some physical, maybe, advantage from guys, yeah? Compared to girls. So, it’s great to see that we got [00:42:00] more, uh, women into sim racing. And I noticed from my side that, uh, your community kind of welcome, um, Most of the time and, uh, it’s great.

You can maybe have some toxic people in Oval sometimes that see tracks for me. Um, but you know, that’s okay. You just turn off the chat or just mute these drivers and yeah. And then enjoy the race. Uh, like it’s okay. Yeah, it’s, uh, exactly.

Nina Hahn: Don’t, don’t let those people ruin your day. Yeah. It’s not worth it, like, who are they to tell you something?

That’s true, yeah.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: If

Nina Hahn: you believe in yourself, you

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: can do it. Yeah, that’s the most important thing, I think. So yeah, most of the community are really Welcome friendly and they trying to help me help you they trying to guide you for the Some racing and it’s it’s really cool to have and to see as well Um, so I know that you are part of Olympus team.

Uh, can [00:43:00] you give me more information about this? How is it for you? for you to be, uh, the part of this team. Um, you know, when we started, uh, when Charles started Olympus eSport, uh, there was really small team and right now just, uh, uh, see a lot of drivers. Uh, I didn’t know them and, uh, that’s a huge team right now.

It’s a pretty cool to be part of it. Definitely.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, it’s really cool how it evolved. So I joined the team in. 2022, I believe, uh, because I, I was getting my rig and I started to drive more again because I hadn’t been driving for like two or three years at that point. So like when everyone during COVID started doing sim racing, I kind of, I didn’t like, I, I just had other stuff to do and, um, I just didn’t race a lot.

And then I moved, um, I moved again and, um, finally got like a proper rig and I didn’t have to put my wheel away and on again all the time [00:44:00] So I could just always like just hop in it’s just ready and that made a huge change and after a while I then Just felt the need of like hey, I want to do endurance events.

I want to be part of a team I want to you know, talk to people be in a community or something and then I went on the iRacing forums and I And, as luck would have it, I saw, like, an opening for, yeah, Olympus. And I just texted and then joined them and everything. And the first race I did was actually the Majors 24 in 2022, I believe, yeah.

And since then I’ve just always been with Olympus. Like, currently I don’t do a lot of races because I have quite a bit of stuff to do with school. But, yeah, I definitely want to do sim racing more and definitely from December onwards. I should have more time again. So especially over the winter, I plan to do a lot of racing also officials because I don’t do a lot of officials.

[00:45:00] So, um, I also want to boost my air riding a lot there. But yeah, with Olympus, it’s just, it’s a great team. Like they’re very welcoming. They’re very helpful. We have a lot of great drivers at this point. And, um, also like racing in a lot of great series. You know, it’s, it’s, um, it’s a really, really cool team and I appreciate it every time.

I’m always very proud to, you know, wear the Olympus shirt and just, you know, it’s, it’s just cool. It’s a cool team and, uh, they definitely deserve, um, Being in the big series.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s true. And also, uh, the most beautiful deliveries we got in Olympus . Oh

Nina Hahn: yeah. Especially the new deliveries. I don’t know how many of them are out yet, but the next, like the deliveries for 2025 look amazing.

Mm-Hmm. like that. They’re, so, I don’t know how much you see. Uh, saw it, you probably saw it in IRA or something. Yeah, I saw it.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah.

Nina Hahn: Yeah. And um, yeah, [00:46:00] that’s just

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: such a cool

Nina Hahn: delivery.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah. So, um. Moving to EVA, I know you, uh, that you on the other side, so I’m, uh, as a driver in Porsche Cup, uh, for this season as well.

We did, uh, last season with Olympus finish, uh, with a, with a great results, uh, P5, P6 for Porsche Cup, uh, in the club sports series. So, can you tell me more about this experience which you, uh, got on, uh, The other side from from the drivers. Yeah, that’s a racing, uh Stuart

Nina Hahn: Uh, yeah, so like it’s obviously a huge series.

Um, and the organizers basically to give like a short overview Um, we’re the same who did the 24 hours esports like the official 24 hours esports Um series to the real life series And then we obviously have the ivra. So international You virtual racing association. And, um, where you have like two classes and just the most skilled [00:47:00] drivers kind of like, I don’t know if there’s a ranking for like that, like this or like the highest I writing a series, but splits or like strength of fields over seven K aren’t uncommon.

We have multiple, um, people with over 10k in their like pro licenses and then to be in race control of that and to yeah to um analyze like incidents and to just being part of the whole like creating the whole event around it and everything and like working with the documents working in the safety cars it’s just number one very cool uh but it also gives you a very different insight into racing, where if you look at incidents, uh, you learn a lot about where to place your car and where not to place your car, even as a driver.

So that’s another thing that helps me drive, for example, because I, I just spot like stuff that happens over and over and over again in kind of [00:48:00] similar ways, which then helps you to Avoid these situations when you drive yourself, but obviously I’ve been with Ivor now for I think like three years or something and it’s grown more and more especially since the 24 hours esports series has now been Sadly cancelled because of um the main sponsor uh dropping the series which you know, it’s uh, it happens, uh, But ivar is still going very strong and we are now had Actually, for the qualifying, we had to limit, um, people to have one car per team because we just didn’t have the manpower to steward more than two splits simultaneously.

And, um, we have now a very, very competitive field. It’s, it was insanely tough to get into some of these classes. So Anyone who made it in like you did amazing because sometimes it was really if you had one incident then [00:49:00] basically you’re out it’s it was really that tough and In a field that’s that like well contended.

I guess it’s really Great to you always like see them drive and the driving standards have improved so much over the past few years even that Yeah, we have I don’t know eight hour races with like, if you don’t count like the, um, safety car incidents or like pit lane incidents or something, then you have like over eight hours with 55 cars, you have like 30 incidents, which is insane.

It’s such a cool racing experience just to watch it. And there are also streams or anyone who watches and is interested, please watch the streams on YouTube on Racepot TV. Um, and, um, Yeah, it’s just, it’s very cool to see a race from the other side and being part of, uh, the one [00:50:00] who has to decide about stuff.

Also, like some decisions are very difficult. Uh, some incidents are very tricky and maybe to the outside, sometimes they seem very easy and obvious, but if you have all the data that we have, and if you have, uh, usually three different stewards looking at one incident and then having to come to a conclusion.

It’s not always that easy because oftentimes there are so many different variables that go into it that it’s difficult to really also We have to adhere to our own rules, you know, we have like a huge rule set where all the different overtakings are clarified, which is what is okay, what is not okay, how should you filter in the pit lane, what to do behind the safety car, we have a whole flow chart for that.

And it’s kind of complicated sometimes. And that’s also why it takes safety car, a couple minutes sometimes. But. [00:51:00] We’re trying to be as quick as possible and just giving everyone who takes part in the series the best racing experience possible. Because we want to make it a really professional league and a very, yeah, just the best league that we can make it.

And I think we are at a pretty good spot at this point.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, true. I absolutely, you know, with, I could have a lot of, uh, complainants about Ivory, about, uh, um, Like some five seconds penalties or something like this But I think that’s okay. So if you got like really strict rules so everybody just going to behave in better way as a result and To be honest, I would love to see for the next season.

Maybe if either a will have a opportunity to have a Two, two full splits, uh, running at the same time, uh, because it, it was kind of sad to not see that someone not get into, uh, this area, uh, of the club sport, for [00:52:00] example, or endurance, uh, because just, uh, E3 growing so fast and a lot of drivers, uh, get into this and I, I feel, uh, I fully understand that you don’t have a lot of spots yet because you’re limited with the people who’s working, uh, in the very But, uh, for the upcoming years it will be, uh, great to see, uh, like, a few splits, uh, running, uh, fighting for the championship.

It will be great to Like give everybody opportunity to take part in this, uh, absolutely amazing league, uh, you know, racing. So in my opinion, that’s one of the best league, which I, uh, where I took a part as a driver, so I really enjoy when we got like club sports and especially, you know, the opportunity that you can have, uh, for our races with a Porsche cop, it’s, it’s great.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, first of all, thank you for like that feedback and um, I’ll i’ll definitely talk to the people but I don’t think that we can just simply with manpower I don’t think we can do two splits also [00:53:00] like with Just adding new series or something to have like a third league for example again. It’s just um We all do this in our spare time, like we don’t get paid to be stewarding.

We do it because we have the passion for motorsports and, um, most of like the entry fees that we have goes to like creating sessions and to the broadcasting and here and there and everything. And I think I can speak for all of the stewards that we don’t expect to get paid. Um, it’s just a huge, um, a huge amount of time that we have to spend in this because Uh, for, for you as a driver, uh, and I don’t want to downplay anything here, but you have like the qualifying or like the practice and then the driver’s briefing, the qualifying, uh, and then the race.

Let’s say it’s, uh, let’s say it’s an eight hour race. So you as a driver have probably like 10 hours kind of in the session, [00:54:00] but as race control, we need to prepare like, I don’t know, one or two hours, like with practice. And then, um, usually incidents get reviewed after the incident, uh, after the race as well.

So for us, um, it’s probably like two or three hours more. And then if we have like the long races, like we had like a 12 hour race or something, we have one guy that’s pretty much always, um, just looking at the pit lane. And for the 12 hour races, he was looking at the pit lane camera for 15 hours straight.

That was his So, um, uh, yeah, with how complex the rules are and everything, I don’t know if we can do a second split. I would love to, because also for us as race controllers, it’s very sad to not see some of the teams that we had over the past few years, make, you know, make a difference. Make it into this year’s selection because we also had, as I said, like the 24 hour series was cancelled, but we had a lot of these, um, spots [00:55:00] that invites that were still left over from that series, which we then, um, converted to like those two leagues that also had their own invites.

So for some of the classes, it was just like not a lot of spots left. And. With, as I said, SOFs of like 7k not being uncommon, it was really tough to just get in. Uh, obviously I would love to have, um, more people, like more teams racing, but, um, we will see. I’ll, I’ll definitely tell the people, but, um, I can’t really say that, like, that’s gonna happen soon, sadly.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, but, you know, we’re all just, uh, hoping that they’re going to get even bigger and stronger, uh, for the years and, uh, maybe in the future we’ll see, uh, more splits and more teams into this, uh, awesome league. Um, Also,

Nina Hahn: maybe to add to [00:56:00] this one, if you, uh, Um, want to be part of race control and stewarding and get into that.

We’re always looking for people. So, you know, anyone who’s interested can just like text, um, Casper Decord, for example, or also just me and I can forward it, um, or join the IWRA server and, um, get in contact there because we’re always looking for people and you don’t have to be 8k yourself to be able to steward.

You know, if you, if you’re like a decent driver or just know somewhat, what a racing line is, then, um, you know, it’s, it’s something that you can definitely learn. And, um, yeah, we, we’re always looking for people, which then obviously would make it a bit more, um, yeah, maybe create more opportunities for different, either different types of leagues or more splits or, you know, Mm hmm.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Uh, you mentioned that, uh, review, reviewing the incidents, uh, definitely help you with your own, uh, race [00:57:00] crafts and how you, you know, handle situations on the track. Um, what other advices can you give to people who are planning to get into sim racing?

Nina Hahn: Um, about the driving itself or getting into the racing first?

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Uh, yeah, about driving and about getting to races, maybe, like, you have to review incidents or something like this?

Nina Hahn: Um, yeah, it’s, I think it’s a very personal journey, depending on where you start out, but as, like, a general thing, I think the first thing you need to learn is to keep the car on track. Just, you know, finishing races without incidents, even if that means you have to give up some time, but in the beginning that really doesn’t matter.

And, um, stop what like Need for Speed and everything teaches you that you always have to win. You’re not going to win always. That’s, you know, and that’s, you can have fun even in like fighting for some of the last positions. [00:58:00] It just depends on like, where you are on track and if you can keep it stable on track that’s like the biggest thing and after that comes like pace kind of just um they’re like it’s very personal thing learn how to brake learn how to turn and then um yeah after that at some point you can start adjusting setups but setups should really be like one of the last steps because for example me like i don’t in formula 4 i usually drive the official setup because it’s You know, they’re good enough to, uh, to be quick, and, um, I’m at this point always driving top split, and I’m usually in the top five, so, you know, and that’s just with the iRacing setups, and I know that Formula 4 isn’t, like, the most competitive, but, um, there are some pretty quick people in there, and me being close to them is already, like, a great reward for all the practice I’ve spent.[00:59:00]

Yeah, so, yeah, and maybe, wait, maybe, um, for getting into sim racing in the first place, uh, don’t worry too much about gear, uh, the more important thing is kind of to just get started and just try it out, see if it’s for you, and also what kind of racing is for you, maybe you just want to do some street drifting, or maybe you want to do on track racing, or ovals, or, I don’t know, off road tracks, they’re all very different, and there are different games that do different things just better than others.

And, um, just kind of find what you like, and from there, um, it’s a more like a natural progression, in my opinion.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Absolutely agree with you, especially with, uh, uh, the thing about equipment, uh, because some people just, uh, you know, Getting crazy about equipment, that they, uh, need the best stuff. Um, I always, uh, tell people that you can start with whatever you got.

You got the wheel and pedals, you can [01:00:00] jump, uh, into, like, uh, racing with it and, uh, just to have fun. And, uh Earn some experience, build your skills and just be the part of community and have fun. That’s the main thing, definitely.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, definitely. And also, if you’re just starting out, a direct drive and active pedals will not make you faster.

They just, they just won’t. You need to drive, you need to build your racecraft first to really benefit from the advantages that these kind of systems can bring.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, absolutely agree with you. And, uh, before we end the stream, I want to know, uh, What’s, uh, what’s your goals for the future? What are you planning to do in the future?

Um, well, that’s a very open ended question.

Nina Hahn: Obviously, as I mentioned before, I have very real aspirations to do more real life races. Like, I’ve set myself, like, the big goal of someday being [01:01:00] 24 hours of Nordschleife. Which is just it’s that is like my absolute like dream race that I want to be part in at some point.

And yeah, for example, like, recently, I’ve applied for another driver selection in a GT four class. Uh, I don’t know yet, uh, if I get selected and even if I then, um, get selected for the driver selection, I have to like, kind of win it to get the spot, but, um, I really, really hope that that works out and that I, uh, can go there and, um, just drive a GT4 car because it’s, yeah, it’s like, I just love racing and, um, yeah, I hope that that works out.

Apart from that, um, also Maybe then just start, um, the RCN races at the Nordschleife, you know, like the smaller ones that you have to build up to at some point being able, like having the licenses to drive in a 24 hour race. [01:02:00] But also, apart from real racing, um, sim racing, I want to improve my R rating. As I said, I don’t really drive any officials, um, but I really should at least, um, somewhat Last time, I think, I drove, um, and I had like, in three evenings or something, I gained 700 eye rating.

So, my eye rating is really not where it should be, and I would kind of like to have it more like, yeah, where, where I want it. So, um, also just to, yeah, I don’t know, it’s kind of cool if your eye rating is a bit higher, not gonna lie.

Um, but yeah, uh. I don’t know. I kind of want to go back into ovals. Uh, I don’t know how much time I’ll have for that. That’s definitely a secondary goal. And yeah, I don’t know. Apart from that, uh, do the races with the Dream Team, obviously. Can’t wait for those to happen. And also, like, always, like, back, [01:03:00] um, yeah, behind the scenes, there are always, like, I’ve talked to a lot of people here and there, and there are some opportunities that might open up, some that Maybe don’t but you know, you give it a shot and um, that’s that’s what you need to do if you want to you know You just apply for different things some work out some don’t And um, i’m really I really want to make racing more of my career.

I would also love to start streaming Sadly currently my pc doesn’t really support racing and streaming at the same time It’s just um, it’s pushing 10 years. So it’s I need a new pc at some point. But um, You Since I’m, uh, still in education, or again, in education currently, uh, I don’t have that much money to spend on new hardware, so, uh, yeah, but that’s definitely also a big thing that I want to improve in the simracing front.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Mhm. So, I wish you good luck in real life experience, and in streaming as well, I would love to see your streams in the future. Uh, I hope you’re going to get the [01:04:00] PC and everything set up. Uh, thank you so much for being here, thank you so much for talking with us, see your Amazing and wish you good luck for your life and for racing as well.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, same to you, by the way. Whatever your goals might be, I hope you achieve them.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, guys, thank you so much for watching. We will see you next time on Thursday with more Innit Talks. Bye!

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From Paddock to Platform: How Media Shaped Formula One’s Story

Formula One has always been more than just speed and spectacle. It’s a sport shaped as much by the voices behind the microphone and the lenses behind the camera as by the drivers behind the wheel. In this episode of The Logbook, our History of Motorsports series, Professor Richard Haynes takes us on a riveting journey through the evolution of media relations in Formula One – from the adrenaline-fueled commentary of Murray Walker to the algorithm-driven reach of Liberty Media’s digital empire.

Murray Walker, the iconic voice of British motorsport, once said, “Motorsport needs explaining more than other sports.” Unlike football or tennis, most fans have never raced, let alone sat in an F1 car. Walker’s high-pitched, tank-trained enthusiasm helped bridge that gap – not just with technical insight, but with raw emotion. His journey from advertising to broadcasting, fueled by nepotism and passion, set the tone for generations of motorsport storytellers.

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Motorsport journalism, it turns out, is rarely a straight path. Morris Hamilton, a young Irish fan, wrote a letter to Ian Young of Autocar and ended up shadowing Bruce McLaren’s inner circle. That serendipitous start led to decades of coverage for The Guardian and beyond. Longevity is a hallmark here – Bill Boddy, editor of Motorsport magazine, wrote for 81 years, beginning with a piece on Brooklands in 1930.

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Richard Haynes is professor of Media Sport in the Division of Communications, Media and Culture at the University of Stirling, Scotland. He is author of seven books on sport and communications including the award-winning history BBC Sport in Black and White (Palgrave 2016) and his forthcoming book with Raymond Boyle Streaming the Formula 1 Rivalry: Sport and the Media in the Platform Age to be published by Peter Lang in 2024.

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This episode The Logbook, our History of Motorsports series, features Richard Haynes, a Professor of Media Sport. Haynes, an author of multiple books on sport and communications, presents a detailed analysis of the evolution of media relations in Formula 1 from the 1960s to today. The talk is based on Haynes’ forthcoming book co-authored with Raymond Boyle. Using interviews with journalists, broadcasters, and communications managers, the presentation examines key figures in F1 media, like Murray Walker and Bernie Eccleston, and discusses the impact of social media and Liberty Media’s ownership on F1 media dynamics. Haynes explores the changing landscape of F1 journalism, the role of television, iconic journalists, and the increasing control over media access. He concludes by reflecting on the broader implications of these changes in the world of sports media.

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[00:00:00] Brake Fix’s History of Motorsports series is brought to you in part by the International Motor Racing Research Center, as well as the Society of Automotive Historians, the Watkins Glen Area Chamber of Commerce, and the Argettsinger family.

From the paddock to the slipstream, transformations in media relations in Formula 1. By Richard Haynes. Richard Haynes is Professor of Media Sport in the Division of Communications and Media Culture at the University of Stirling in Scotland. He is author of seven books on sport and communications, including the award winning history BBC Sport in Black and White, published by Palgrave in 2016, and his forthcoming book with Raymond Boyle, Streaming the Formula One Rivalry, Sport and the Media in the Platform Age, to be published by Peter Lang in 2024.

Based on archival and biographical research, the interviews with British journalists, broadcasters, and communications managers, this presentation provides an analysis of the transformations in media relations in Formula One. From the 1960s [00:01:00] onward, the presentation explores the professional careers of leading British journalists and broadcasters of Formula One to explore how media relations have changed over time.

We conclude with some thoughts on how Formula One, in the era of Liberty Media, is bringing new opportunities to F1 across different platforms, transforming again the media relations in the sport. So my talk is based on a book which I’ve just written with my colleague, Raymond Boyle. The talk is really about the changing, Relationships between journalists and Formula One, that’s the focus of our book.

I’m mainly going to talk about the kind of historical aspects of that, but also point towards some of the contemporary issues that this has raised. We researched the book doing interviews. We interviewed journalists, both contemporary journalists and journalists that have been in F1 or motorsport journalism for many years, many decades in some cases.

And we also spoke to broadcasters, and we spoke to communications managers who work in F1. And one of the reasons we wanted to do this was because neither Raymond or I would say we’re experts in [00:02:00] motorsport by any means, but we’re both your average fan, I guess, of F1 for many years. But what we noticed as researchers of the relationships between media and sport, that F1 is delivering something different, new in this relationship, and it may be signposts to where other global sports may be heading in the future.

And that was one of the reasons why we were intrigued. To explore this with journalists, with broadcasters, with the comms people from within that industry and see what they thought was going on. Because definitely things have changed in that sport quite radically, certainly since Liberty Media took over, of course, that was one reason for writing the book.

The other really is to look at how the media ecology of sports changed. So we placed the contemporary media relations in a broader historical context. We identified the central role that the media, particularly television, played. And it’s placed in the history structure and the governance of the sport.

Bernie Eccleston’s been mentioned various times and he’s had his fair share of run ins with the law and governance throughout his reign in Formula One. [00:03:00] For a used car salesman who, uh, is recently found guilty of tax fraud. Certainly, you know, he made, obviously, Formula One a very intriguing and lively and a kind of business that it has become.

But arguably it’s moved on from his reign in tune. And I’ll talk a little bit about how in Eccleston’s period, the media. Bill, a certain type of media relation within the sport, which was again, was maybe unique and a sport enters into a kind of digital age of engagement of seeing things like tick tock and so on are just a wash with content to do with formula one, that intense relationship between F1 and the creative industries not only shows us something about where the media are changing, but also How we understand what even the term sport or motorsport means, because I think there are aspects of how the sport is changing because of the media, which again are intriguing and tell us something a bit different about our relationship with it.

So those are the reasons why we wrote the book. But first, my historical journey about the sport. Formula One begins with Murray Walker. He was BBC and then ITV [00:04:00] commentator, or announcer, as you’d call here, for many years. For somebody of my generation, Murray Walker was synonymous with motorsport and Formula One.

His voice, I mean, I can hear it now, it’s quite a high screech. Somebody said it was like a 500cc motorcycle, kind of high pitched, kind of rev, um, and he spoke that quickly as well. All of his commentaries, he was stood up because his adrenaline and his excitement at motorsport just came through the microphone.

Now no longer with us, he died in 2021. But when I was researching another book on the history of BBC sport over a decade ago now in 2008, had the pleasure of interviewing Murray, which again was a kind of interesting experience. Murray’s professional career was not in broadcasting at all. It was in advertising.

It was involved in the second world wars. He drove tanks. He was in the tank regiment. As he left, he joined the advertising industry. Obviously you would have heard of Mars chocolate. He ran the account for the ad campaign, which went a Mars a day helps you work, rest and play. And he was in charge of that.

It’s a very famous slogan from advertising from the [00:05:00] 1970s. And Murray was involved in that, but he did commentary part time. When I interviewed him, he said, if you ask me, how did I get into broadcasting? He said it was nepotism. My dad and his dad, Graham was a radio commentator in the 1930s for the BBC and also raced motorbikes.

And it was that passion for motorbikes that mainly led Morita to get into broadcasting. So he did it part time. But one of the most interesting things he said to me, to quote in there, he said, I believe motorsport needs explaining more than other sports. Partly because most people haven’t done it.

Whereas with most other sports, they have done it. Whether it’s cricket, football, soccer, tennis, most people at a participatory level have played these sports, but motorsport is different. Most people haven’t done it. And partly because also the equipment itself, the technical aspects of the cars or the motorcycles.

It’s an interesting quote because I think that still resonates today, doesn’t it? Most people have never raced cars and certainly most people have never sat in an F1 car. So the job of the broadcaster to explain what’s going on [00:06:00] is quite a difficult one. In a sense for us, the audience to pick up on that.

And that plays through into some important aspects of how television in particular works in its coverage of motorsport and F1. And why in the 1970s that again, we’ve heard the name James Hunt mentioned and Murray Walkers commentated with James Hunt. He very quickly became a kind of the analyst for the BBC coverage of Formula One in the 1970s and also people like Jackie Stewart as well.

And today for Sky Sports, Martin Brundle is probably the most well known ex driver that does. Broadcasting for F1 British television. But for all the journalists, broadcasters and communication professionals, we interviewed the route to becoming an F1 journalist involved elements of luck and happenstance really was the professional journey into F1 journalism by design or straightforward.

Rather journalists followed their instincts of the kind of career that they wanted and develop their craft of journalism and move quickly. An opening appeared into their chosen career. And another good example of [00:07:00] that, apart from Murray’s, I guess, is uh, Morris Hamilton, again, a well known motorsport journalist, but also author from Ireland.

He explained that as a young man in Ireland, he was very passionate about motorsport and just wanted to get some association with it, to be on the track, at the side of the track, to see his heroes. And so he wrote just randomly as a young man to a guy called Ian Young, who was a columnist for Autocar.

But also a friend of Bruce McLaren and had strong associations with the McLaren team. And for whatever reason, Ian Young said, well, come over to Britain. And he took him under his wing. He basically, Hamilton was kind of held onto his coattails. sideman of coverage and interviews around motorsport and F1 again, in particular, and introduced Hamilton to the kind of top tier, to the team managers, to drivers, sponsors, and so on at a very early age.

And he said, He was incredibly lucky. It just happened to be at the right time, the right place. Probably his face just fitted for whatever reason from that very early experience in his early twenties and having that network very [00:08:00] early in his career was able then to become the Guardian’s motorsport correspondent in the 1970s and then has gone on still is reporting on motorsport decades later.

One of the interesting things about motorsport when generally you look at it. In terms of its relationship with the media is the longevity of some of the publications within it and some of the journalists that have had really long careers in association with Formula One. Again, some years ago, I was asked to do a Oxford Dictionary and National Biography entry for a guy called Bruce.

Bill Body who’s uh, and Bill Body was the editor of Motorsport from 1936 to 1991, and he continued to write for the magazine until his death in 2011. That was an 81 year career as a journalist in Motorsport. And at the time, he was not only the longest serving editor in the British media, but I think the longest serving journalist nonstop in the world.

81 years, which is quite incredible. So Boddy was by far and away, you know, one of the more fascinating characters that I’ve come across from the world of [00:09:00] motor sport journalism. His career began when he visited Brooklands as a young man or a young boy in 1926. And he published his first article on the history of the Brooklands motor track in 1930.

Boddy developed a career as a freelance motor journalist, and after a brief spell working in a motorcycle shop, his first editorial role came in 1933, as the editor of Brooklyn’s Track and Air, for which he also road tested new cars as a passenger because he hadn’t passed his driving test. The image of a Grand Prix racing has also been key to our popular imagination of the sport.

The brand of Ferrari, for example, is heavily linked to the rise of sport photojournalism in the 1960s. Italian photojournalist, Franco Linney was one of the first journalists to travel to all Grand Prix races around the world. Reporting for the Journal Auto Italiana, Enzo Ferrari was so impressed with Lynn’s knowledge, his contacts, his multilingual capabilities.

He offered him the job of team manager [00:10:00] in 1966 and helped. In the changing of, again, we heard about the image of motorsport and the image of the Scuderia from that period. The brand and the imagery that goes with Ferrari really all links back to the work of Franco Lini and a lot of his photographs from the fifties and sixties.

We interviewed a number of former editors and photographers of motorsport magazines who’d followed in the footsteps of Boddy and Linney. This included people like Matt Bishop, who latterly was the comms manager for Aston Martin F1 team, but previously had spent nearly 30 years as a journalist and editor of F1 Racing, which then became GP Racing, now part of the Motorsport Network.

And he remarked about the importance, uh, as a young boy, Passionate again about soccer, and he had a subscription to a soccer magazine, but going in to collect it one day, he saw a copy of Autosport on the shelves. It’s just intrigued again. I think it was a, an amazing image of an F1 car on the front. His fascination got the better of him.

He changed his [00:11:00] subscription from a soccer magazine to a motorsport magazine, and the rest is history. From that point on, all he wanted to do again was get to get close to the drivers, get close to the cars and develop a career in the business. I suppose one of the things to say, finally, about the longevity of some of these titles is that, obviously, they’ve had to change as the media ecology has changed.

So, obviously, Motorsport is not only a magazine in print, it’s a website, it works across different platforms, it does video, it does podcasts, it does lots of social media as well. So, again, how the longevity of Motorsport magazines has changed over time has had to change with the technology. that delivers them and how people want to read them.

The history of broadcasting in F1, and again, forgive me, the focus here really is on the UK. Different nations have different kind of broadcasting histories around sport, not least in the United States. Britain has a quite distinct, I would say, history of broadcasting sport, and particularly motorsport.

And that’s mainly because the BBC itself continues to be publicly funded through a license fee and doesn’t take advertising, [00:12:00] although I know if you watch BBC America here, you’ll see lots of advertising. But in the UK. Still, there’s no spot advertising between programs on the BBC, even though it arguably works more and more as a commercial type broadcaster in many ways.

The first notable radio broadcast on the BBC on the subjects of Grand Prix racing was in August 1926, in a 30 minute talk entitled, The Brooklyn’s Grand Prix by the Engineer and Journalist and Motoring Enthusiast. Mervyn O’Gorman, and the talk was broadcast on the eve of Britain’s first Grand Prix on the 7th of August, 1926, at Brooklyn’s racetrack.

On the 1st of October, 1927, the BBC carried its second eyewitness report of the second British Grand Prix, also from Brooklyn’s. And on this occasion, the BBC turned to a racing driver called Sammy Davis to provide The account of the race. Davis had not long returned from winning the 24 hour race, but was also the sports editor of the magazine AutoCar and was therefore viewed as someone with both a [00:13:00] sporting and journalistic credibility.

And I think one of the interesting things about broadcasting in particular, and the challenge that sport broadcasters have had ever since the medium was invented was. Announcers have to have that skill of being a broadcaster, of kind of being mellifluous, of being able to speak to an audience and explain what’s going on, and balance that out with being an expert in the sport.

Quite often, or increasingly, I would argue that those two roles are kind of split now. Obviously, we have an announcer that does the play by play commentary of explaining what’s going on, sat next to or alongside an expert, a former player. Or former motor racing driver in the case of F1. That’s the challenge of broadcasting commentary and announcing is that balance between expertise in the sport and being an expert broadcaster.

And so we see early examples of the BBC trying to do that with Sammy Davis being a driver, but is also just happened to be a journalist as well. It was not until 1950 that the BBC found its main voice of motorsport with a guy called Raymond Baxter. Again, a long standing [00:14:00] broadcaster in the UK. What’s quite interesting about this period, all these guys were involved in the war in some shape or form.

Baxter was a fighter pilot in the Second World War, but also spent some time working for British Forces Network radio in Hamburg during his time in the forces. He entered the BBC as their first motoring correspondent in 1946. He worked across radio and television, not only active as a broadcaster, but also as a motor racer himself.

He competed in 12 Monte Carlo rallies and quite often did radio reporting as he was doing the, the racing. One of the interesting asides about the BBC and the Monte Carlo rally. As in, I think nine, I might say in 1958, they entered a London taxi to the Monte Carlo rally from Glasgow to Monte Carlo. One of the doors fell off as they got on the ramp to go on the ferry across to France.

So they did most of the race without one door. And then they also went missing. So the BBC had put journalists all around the, you know, along the course or the route. The driver, a guy called Tony Brook [00:15:00] decided, well, there’s no way I’m getting a London taxi, you know, around the central massif of the mountainous area of central France.

So I’m going to go round the flatter course, but the BBC had put Posted one of its journalists at the top of the mountains and they were waiting and waiting and waiting for this car never arrived And so they posted back to London to say we think he’s crashed He’s disappeared and it wasn’t until he turned up in Monte Carlo that they actually realized he was still alive And he got a rollicking by all accounts by the producer for changing his route The London Times had headlines of BBC taxi disappears in the mountains of France But partly because of the challenges, I guess, of covering motorsport was one of the reasons why between the 1950s and 1970s, there really wasn’t much Formula One racing on television.

There was a bit of film coverage. BBC did show quite a bit. Again, one of the producers of BBC Sport in this period in the fifties and sixties said to me, they used to buy film from America. of crashes and their editor used to just put them all together in a two minute sequence of just lots of car [00:16:00] crashes, whatever sort of track it was from the States.

They thought the audience found that entertaining for whatever reason. I guess that’s one of the appeals maybe of the jeopardy of motorsport on TV, but let’s think of a sport like boxing, for example, that’s relatively straightforward to cover because it’s what you might call maximum action in a minimal space.

Whereas motorsport, well, it’s maximum action, but it’s in a really expansive terrain. You know, trying to cover that on television or on radio is a logistical nightmare. It’s a real challenge, even to this day, arguably. So you can post cameras all around a track, but how you make sense of that for the audience is really difficult.

And that was one of the reasons really why motorsport didn’t take off on television in the UK, certainly in this period, because it was either too expensive to do that or hadn’t figured out what the best way of doing it was. So during the early 1950s, Baxter persuaded the BBC also to create its own motorsport events.

So one of the interesting things is hill climbs was a big thing in the UK from the 1920s onwards. And just after the war, Baxter came up [00:17:00] with a new competition called the BBC Television Trophy. And him and a producer came up with a bespoke track just north of London. So it was easy to get, again, the outside broadcast.

cameras there, they set the course so that they could strategically place the cameras in the right places and so on. This lasted for about seven or eight years, and one of the interesting things about it is the trophy there. That is a, what’s called an image orthicon camera, which was the main camera that the BBC then used in the 1950s.

And so they had an artist design that trophy that looked like the camera, and that was first used as a motor racing trophy. But from 1954. The same trophy was also used for what’s called the BBC Sports Personality of the Year, which still continues to this day. It’s one of the most prestigious awards sports people in Britain receive from the viewers.

So viewers vote for who they want to win that trophy. And in 1961, we’ve got Sterling Moss receiving it. So again, the lineage of a kind of major Sporting Award has its links back to the BBC trying to create a motorsport [00:18:00] event for its cameras for itself that it knew it would cover. So it’s a nice kind of link back, I guess, to that early history of how broadcasting of motorsport began on the BBC.

It’s also interesting to note that Formula One drivers or motorsport drivers more generally have won that trophy on eight occasions, which is only surpassed by athletics. Many people would argue that football, soccer is the biggest sport in the UK, but in terms of that trophy. It doesn’t equate, it doesn’t link.

And I think partly one of the reasons for that is that motor racing drivers just have that kind of hero factor. You know, they’re risking their lives. They just become kind of heroic figures like Sterling Moss. So the winners include Sterling Moss, John Surtees, Jackie Stewart, Nigel Mansell. Damon Hill and Lewis Hamilton, and in fact, Hill and Hamilton have won it on more than one occasion.

So the success of that award, and the success of F1 drivers in that award, is maybe suggest a signpost to the broader cultural appeal of F1 to the British public, even though in the, like I say, the 70s, they didn’t [00:19:00] really see very much action of drivers at all, but they continue to be worshipped, I guess, as key sporting heroes within British popular culture.

Okay, now the Eccleston part. Bernie recently, uh, found guilty of tax fraud at the grand old age. I think he’s now about 96 or something, certainly in his 90s. But for many years, obviously the extrovert, controller, owner, commercial entrepreneur of Formula One. One of the interesting things in talking to the journalists was what they perceived was the relationship or the access that journalists had during the Eccleston era.

And I think to sum it up is basically that Eccleston just Loved newspaper coverage, whether it was good, bad, or indifferent, he didn’t really care. But if F1 or his name was in the papers, that’s all he was interested in. So it didn’t have to be a good news story, it could be a bad news story. But it was just getting the visibility of F1 out there.

He liked to be controversial. I think Rebecca Clancy, who’s one of the few female F1 journalists of the times, she said, Bernie’s creating headlines. In F1, it was known as [00:20:00] throwing a grenade. So he was well known for throwing a grenade all the time, I guess, to get in the news. The ability to more or less get access to all areas of the racetrack is one of the major differences of the late 20th century compared to how things developed once press officers and communications managers came into the sport.

Again, to quote Morris Hamilton, he said, It was very open and you were on good terms with everybody. You could chat away as they walked along the pit lane. You could talk anytime you liked. Similarly with team owners, Colin Chapman, less so because he was God and I was terrified of him. But people like Ted Mayer, McLaren, Ken Turrell, for example, you could go and chat to Ken anytime about any topic on anything.

And Hamilton also talked about a time where journalists. Would turn up at driver’s motorhome and just huddle around a table asking questions. He mentioned James Hunt again was one of the key characters that you could just roll up and just ask him questions and they would use those stories as the follow ups for their Tuesday edition.

So Monday was for [00:21:00] reporting on the weekend racing, um, you know, the factual aspects of what happened on the race, but Tuesday was the follow up of the kind of different kinds of angles and stories. So he said, we all had different thoughts, and so it was really quite good. You recall. The tabloids would have their different line and they were reporting on kind of personal angles of the drivers.

I might be more interested in how the chassis setup works or some of the technical details. So he worked to build the relationships with mechanics who would provide insights on how cars were performing and in particular cars were running. And he said, now there’s security, you can’t get close to them.

They’re not allowed to talk to you. They’re scared and terrified of breaching their protocols. So I think one of the key things that start to come out of the conversations we were having with journalists was particularly the ones like Morris Hamilton, who’d been doing it for decades, was since Eccleston finished then Liberty Media took over, is far more control about how the media relations work and the access that they have into the pit lane and with drivers, which is far more kind of controlled and timed on particular days and at [00:22:00] particular times.

What that’s created is, of course, our kind of media hierarchy, so it’s no surprise because television broadcasters pay the lion’s share of the income that F1 receive. I think Sky Sports, which is the main broadcaster of F1 but also in Germany, Italy, I think, Think Spain, they are literally one of the largest commercial sponsors of F1 at the moment because the amount of money they pay in rights.

So there’s no surprise that they get first access and incredible access really around the paddock. You know, we’ve got Martin Brule there talking to Brad Pitt, and again, this pre-race walkthrough and walk around has become synonymous with the house sky cover of the sport. Martin Brundle is the one that leads that.

We’re talking about the image of the sport rubbing off of celebrities that are also there in the pad. But you won’t find one single journalist on pit lane. They don’t have that access. They’re back in some media center somewhere watching it unfold on the screen. Whereas broadcasters, they’re there on the ground getting really intimate coverage, interviewing drivers if they’re prepared to talk before the race.

[00:23:00] Sports writer, Richard Williams, again, who wrote a fantastic book, Racers, which is about the 1996 season when Damon Hill won the championship. And a great insight into, again, how one season unfolds and the narrative unfolds around a story. He argues that then, so again, we’re going back to the 1990s and until maybe 10 years ago, I would say that television provided the images, but it was the tabloid newspapers that provided the stories for the British public around F1.

So for a good 20, 30 years, newspapers. Remain important for telling the stories for the angles for celebrity culture around sport and some of the scandal, of course, around the sport, but he argues that that’s now changed. Newspapers just don’t have that leverage anymore. And another interviewee, Andrew Benson from the BBC sport online, he acknowledged that broadcasters are definitely ranked higher than the written media and where there is high demand for interviews and drivers are selecting who to talk to.

It. They will always go to broadcasters first. They will not choose a journalist, even an online [00:24:00] journalist for a reputable organization like the BBC, they will skip the overlook those and go to the, uh, the main broadcaster. So fundamentally they’re using the media to expose their brand. He said, as they see it, which is part of the complications of the job from the media’s perspective.

So you can understand. Why they’re going to rank the importance of outlets as far as they’re concerned. What happened in there with the quality of access dictates really both the ranking order, but also the quality of the media representation that any particular outlet can produce. And so that’s continues to be a major struggle for what we might call traditional journalism.

So, to finish off, one of the things, again, no surprises really, as the media ecology has changed. The most significant shift in the media relations has been caused by social media. Many journalists noted frustration with how drivers and teams released information on social media. Usually Twitter or X or Instagram that stands as the final communication on particular events and Lewis Hamilton has done this on numerous occasions where if he wants to get a message across [00:25:00] he’ll use his social media but he won’t talk to a journalist he’ll just say a question about whatever the matter is arises he says just go and look at my social media there’s my answer.

So when questioned further on the information released on social media drivers are reluctant. To expand on the detail, preferring to let their comments and images posted on social media stand as the final point of communication. Long time journalist and author, Morris Hamilton, again, believes this has changed everything.

And Rebecca Clancy of the Times argues that when drivers have their own media outlets, why do they need to talk to us? So, to conclude, we would argue that the rise and importance of social media in the last decade or so has cut across the value of traditional news media and accounts of the race. By the time the newspaper hits the shelves, or even the website, the main story of the race has been told and covered on multiple channels, broadcasters and social media, with multiple perspectives.

from different commentators. This has changed the dynamic and become the key factor in both policing behavior but paradoxically allowing drivers to take greater control of [00:26:00] the narratives that surround them. In so doing, it has allowed the drivers and the teams to reach out to a wider audience, many of whom simply do not read newspapers anymore.

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Ferrari’s brand owes much to Franco Lini, an Italian photojournalist whose global Grand Prix coverage in the 1960s helped shape the Scuderia’s mystique. His photographs didn’t just capture moments – they built legends. Lini’s transition from journalist to Ferrari team manager underscores the deep entanglement between media and motorsport identity.


Broadcasting Challenges and Triumphs

Covering motorsport has always been a logistical puzzle. In the 1950s, the BBC created its own hill climb event just to control camera placement. Raymond Baxter, a fighter pilot turned broadcaster, raced in Monte Carlo rallies while reporting live. The BBC even entered a London taxi in the rally – losing a door and disappearing in the French mountains, only to reappear in Monte Carlo with headlines blazing.

Despite these efforts, F1 coverage remained sparse until the 1970s. The sport’s expansive terrain and unpredictable action made it hard to capture. But when it worked, it worked – the BBC’s Sports Personality of the Year trophy, originally a motorsport award, has been won by F1 drivers more than any sport except athletics.


Ecclestone’s Era: Grenades and Gatekeeping

Bernie Ecclestone’s reign was marked by chaos and charisma. Journalists had near-total access – pit lane chats, motorhome interviews, and off-the-cuff stories were the norm. Ecclestone didn’t care if coverage was good or bad, as long as it kept F1 in the headlines. Rebecca Clancy of The Times called it “throwing a grenade” – a strategy that kept the sport culturally relevant.


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Today, access is tightly controlled. Broadcasters like Sky Sports pay top dollar and get top-tier access. Journalists? They’re often confined to media centers, watching the race unfold on screens. Social media has further disrupted the dynamic. Drivers like Lewis Hamilton now speak directly to fans via Instagram or X, bypassing traditional outlets entirely.

Rebecca Clancy summed it up: “When drivers have their own media outlets, why do they need to talk to us?” The result is a media hierarchy where broadcasters dominate, and journalists scramble for scraps – a far cry from the open paddocks of the past.

Formula One’s media evolution mirrors broader shifts in global sport. From radio reports in 1926 to TikTok takeovers in 2025, the sport has always adapted – sometimes reluctantly, sometimes radically. As Professor Haynes argues, F1’s media journey isn’t just about coverage. It’s about control, identity, and the ever-changing definition of what it means to be a fan.

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This episode of The Logbook, our History of Motorsports series, features a presentation by Elton “Skip” McGoun, an emeritus professor of finance at Bucknell University. The presentation explores the evolution of sponsorship in Formula One racing from post-World War II to the present day. McGoun examines how sponsorships reflect and shape the cultural appeal of the sport, discussing how various industries – from tobacco to consumer electronics and technology companies – have used Formula One to market their products. He highlights the strategies and potential benefits for companies, including attracting new customers, retaining current ones, and enhancing brand image. The presentation also covers the changing demographics of Formula One audiences and the implications for sponsorship trends. Audience comments and questions added insights into the nuances of sponsorships, including the role of individual drivers and personal endorsements.

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[00:00:00] Brake Fix’s History of Motorsports series is brought to you in part by the International Motor Racing Research Center, as well as the Society of Automotive Historians, the Watkins Glen Area Chamber of Commerce, and the Argettsinger family.

Follow the money. Formula One’s financial support as cultural indicator. By Elton G McGoun, Elton Skip McGoun is an emeritus professor of finance at Bucknell university and a former visiting professor of the university of Montenegro. He has presented and published on both finance history and automobile history and culture and served as area chair of the vehicle culture section of the popular culture association.

Skip examines formula one on track and on vehicle sponsorships through the post world war two period to show the evolution of the cultural appeal of the series. The title of this presentation is Follow the Money, which is a very familiar investigation approach. You know, if you really want to know [00:01:00] what’s going on beneath the surface.

follow the money. My observation has been that within motor racing, at least one transaction that appears to be ubiquitous is pay and display. So on the one hand, you have companies providing racing groups with some form of compensation and exchange. They’re allowed to display their name. It’s impossible to believe that anyone isn’t aware of this phenomenon.

Had they not closed the blinds, you could either look at this slide, or you could look out the windows and see numerous banners and billboards. Now, what’s interesting about this are a couple of things. First is, if you look at historic photos from the French Grand Prix of 1908, there are billboards. And there have always been billboards at races.

If you look at what’s on the [00:02:00] billboards, okay, so this is a Formula One event. You have an advertisement for a shipping company, DHL. You have a large international bank, UBS. You have an insurance company, Allianz, and it looks here like you even have a consumer electronics and appliance company, LG, none of which appear to have any direct connection with the company.

Motor racing. And in fact, I have to admit, I’ve been looking out the window since I’ve been here. And I can’t figure out what go bowling has to do with motor racing either. Another location for advertising now is on a tire. This was apparently a relatively recent phenomenon. I mean, we had billboards and banners for a long time.

And it took quite a while before we started seeing anything like this. And it appears to have started out, and this is based upon just looking over some historical photos, with [00:03:00] just a small name on the chest. Kind of like, I think, Eric was wearing yesterday with Pirelli. And then it seems that it’s evolved into something that’s pretty extraordinary from a fashion point of view or a functional point of view.

I’ll go back to this. And I noticed Eric is kind of following this trend this morning. I noticed at least two, Mobile and Porsche. Finally, what everyone has observed after it became legal in the late 60s, we see the logos and names on the automobiles pretty much everywhere it’s possible for them to be.

And again, as with the attire. It’s a little hard to imagine just what the point of something like that is. You know, it’s clearly not something that could ever be seen from any sort of distance. The location of these advertisements really does pose some interesting questions. Why do companies do this?

Obviously, they think that they must be obtaining [00:04:00] some sort of benefit from it. What are the potential benefits that a company might receive from these displays? The obvious one is kind of a traditional marketing benefit, attract new customers. Without having interviewed the folks at Martini and Rossi, this was one of the earliest consumer products to be advertised in Formula One.

And one of the assumptions, or at least part of my speculation, first of all, they’re an alcoholic beverage company. Perhaps they assumed that the audience for Formula One consisted of people who drank alcoholic beverages. You know, which may not be an inappropriate stereotype at the time. However, they weren’t drinking their alcoholic beverages.

Perhaps they thought that by advertising in Formula One, they could convince some of those folks in the stands to give a different drink a try. Okay, so attracting new customers. A second, more or less traditional marketing rationale is to [00:05:00] retain current customers. It’s very difficult for me to believe that anyone in the audience for this Formula One event did not know about Red Bull.

and had not already made a decision whether to drink Red Bull or not. However, you can imagine that maybe what Red Bull is looking for in something like this is that if the folks in the audience are fantasizing taking the checkered flag, you know, standing on the podium, even though they don’t have the car, they could have a can of Red Bull and that this can of Red Bull becomes part of this image, part of this fantasy.

And maybe they might have more than one, hopefully not so many that they’re going to have heart seizures. Now, I took a look at Google Scholar to see if any work had been done in this area and it appeared to me that most of what people have written about has been more or less traditional. You look at sponsorship of Formula One, you see [00:06:00] if revenue increased, if the stock price increased, if brand awareness increased.

It was very, very conventional. I think there are different benefits from something like this that perhaps explains some of the questions I posed earlier. Now I’m calling this social benefits, and if you want to kind of summarize this in a smaller phrase, it’s the opportunity to hang with the cool kids.

So you sponsor a Formula One team, you know, you get to shake hands with the drivers, you get to pose for pictures with them, you get invited to attend the receptions, okay, there are certain benefits to that. These benefits might be for you personally. Keep in mind, I mean, these are companies. Presumably they do have to answer to investors.

But of course, this is an opportunity to take clients and customers along with you. And something like this would be very, very impressive. And I use this as an example. I don’t know if any [00:07:00] of you have heard of Footwork, but Footwork was a Japanese logistics company. And like some of these other sponsorships that you see, it’s really hard to see any really direct connection with Footwork.

Formula One racing, but on the other hand, you can imagine that the customers of footwork would be fans of racing and would be interested in going to these events and having their photos taken with the principles. Another benefit, and I may be. Mistaken in referring to this as political benefits. But the idea is that there’s something else going on, not necessarily related directly to business activities.

Early on, there was certainly a very significant nationalism component to racing. So you could see in a situation like that, an Italian company might want to be showing its patriotism or its political commitment by advertising at an event like that. or advertising on a vehicle in that event. Another one, and [00:08:00] this occurred to me when I was watching the films on Thursday night, you know, we had the Sprint cars with a lot of advertisements on them of companies I had never heard of.

And I thought, well, maybe it’s kind of a way for the company to show its kind of more personal support. For a customer, okay, so that they’re willing to donate in a way to their venture and not just sell them a product. Of course, you could also look at this as being kind of a product discount as well.

But the reason I’ve used Parmalat here is that Parmalat is an Italian, I believe, dairy products company. And again, you’re thinking like, you know, what’s the connection? And I think maybe at this time a Parmalat was trying to become a conglomerate. They wanted their name to be known to potential investors, you know, when they’re looking to finance their acquisitions.

So this is a way of getting their name out there. That may seem a little elusive, but I’ll explain a little more in just a second. And another one, and I think this is becoming increasingly important, is the [00:09:00] idea of brand image. So we have The company Palantir, which as near as I’ve been able to figure out, is a data mining company trying to extract something from large databases.

I’ve never heard of their name in conjunction with motor racing. Usually Palantir is associated with the Department of Homeland Security, with a central intelligence agency, but here they are. Talent here. Ferrari team partner. Interestingly, two days ago I was looking at the CNN website and there was an identical banner on the website to this.

Same photo, same everything, different company. But again, a technology company. One thing that I’ve looked at in the past is the importance of making something tangible. Humans deal with physical objects. And obviously a company like Palantir is intangible. And I’m wondering if making the technology [00:10:00] association with Ferrari gives them some sort of visual substance or visual picture to their clients and customers.

Let me digress just a little bit. I had a friend from Germany visiting a week ago, and I told him I was coming up to the conference and he said, Oh, what are you going to do? And I’m making a presentation and I told him about the presentation. So he told me a story. My friend is with a German biotech company in Munich.

This biotech company, it’s very small, it has a very specialized product. What they produce are delivery systems for drugs. You know, drugs can’t all be administered in the form of a pill. It can be a very, very. very difficult process to get the chemical into the body and get it to the right place. And this is what his company does.

So, the customer for his company are drug companies. So, they hire this company to develop delivery systems for their new experimental drugs, which is [00:11:00] really way far removed from anything individuals are familiar with, and certainly far removed from sport. Now, he was able to use company money to make a contribution to a participant in a race called, and I think it’s called Funderglob.

It’s a solo around the world sailing race. That occurs every four years. One of the reasons I think he made this contribution from his company, he obviously had the influence to do this, is that he’s a sailor. So he kind of liked the idea. But the other reason is, Fond du Globe, I understand, is largely a French So most of the contestants are French, but it’s held every four years.

And four years ago, a German contestant participated and did really well, apparently ended up in the top five out of about 30. And this got huge publicity within Germany. And he thought it might be good to sponsor this [00:12:00] race because another German who was from Bavaria was going to compete. What’s interesting is I don’t know that he anticipated the consequences, but one thing that happened is that as a result of the sponsorship, his company’s representative in France, was invited to a reception where she was photographed with the German contestant in this race.

And this photo ended up prominent in German media. You know, saying, okay, here’s a representative from Sirion Biotech. So, that answered my question as to what the point of all those things on the jackets were. Is it so when someone gets photographed with a driver, they can see on the driver the logo for their company.

Now, the other interesting thing about this story [00:13:00] about my friend is that at the time They were in the process of kind of selling themselves. They were looking for a larger company to take them over. And what he found was their association with this race turned out to be significant. Potential acquirers that they were talking to thought it was pretty cool that the company was associated with this race.

And the thing is, you never know what people are going to bond over or what’s going to be an interesting topic of conversation. So rather than having to talk about antibodies, they were able to talk about I’m going to talk a little bit about sail racing, that story that he told me really gave me some insights into what might really be going on here, that this association can have very valuable, yet very indirect benefits, so that all of those little logos.

on the car are not going to be visible to [00:14:00] customers if any customer ever cares about them, but they provide other downstream benefits that can be extremely valuable. I thought, well, it seems as if there’s an evolution of sponsorships and advertising. It’s kind of gone through a series of changes.

Originally, racing was an important means of advertising the automobiles themselves. But what I found to be interesting here is that in the 1950s, that really wasn’t so much the case. Maybe it was because the cars had deviated so much from anything that people could actually purchase. So if you look at photos from Formula One cars from the 1950s, I saw only two, maybe three.

that had a logo, and it wasn’t very prominent. You know, Mercedes had the star, Maserati had the trident in the grille, and I think I saw a Ferrari logo. The only other thing was, you could spot the Gordinis by the shape of [00:15:00] the grille. They weren’t really advertising the car so much, but as you can tell from the billboard in the background, most of the advertising had to do with various sorts of automotive products.

Petroleum products, tires, spark plugs, those sorts of things. The next stage was really Tobacco advertising. Now, I think there were two reasons for this. One reason is there were fewer and fewer places where tobacco was allowed to be advertised. And in fact, in some cases, it wasn’t even allowed to be advertised on the automobiles.

In some countries, tobacco companies are looking for a place to advertise their product. Here’s where the stereotypes might come in. You know, I mentioned before, stereotype that maybe the Formula One audience at the time Well, maybe there was also a stereotype that the Formula One audience at the time was more likely to smoke than the general population, whether that was accurate or not.

So they had to find someplace to advertise. They chose this possibly because of the audience and also [00:16:00] because they were able to paint the car to look like their pack of cigarettes, which was pretty exciting. And I don’t know of any cigarettes that were green. Then As Formula One apparently became more popular and had a much broader audience, you started seeing advertisements for generic consumer products.

And by generic, I mean did not necessarily appeal to a unique market segment. That pretty much most people would be in the market for this sort of thing. You know, most people would be out and thinking about purchasing a camera, for example. Then from there, It kind of moved more into upscale products.

They were targeting what would probably consider maybe more wealthy people. Okay, so you see HSBC advertising. You see WorldCom advertising. Again, I’m not sure at the time how many of WorldCom’s products actually were under the name WorldCom. People purchase cell service. People purchase telephone service.

I don’t know if they know about WorldCom. And I don’t know [00:17:00] much about beer. I always associated BEX with being a little cut above. This was not bug. So we see them advertising more upscale consumer products. And then, of course, what we see nowadays is astonishing, is advertisements for technology companies.

And again, you can maybe make an argument that these were suppliers in some form or another. I’m not so sure. Okay, so in this case, you do see Palantir. You see Amazon Web Services. I looked some of these up, you know, one was like a Swiss cloud computing company. Okay, so these are companies you’d pretty much for the most part never heard of, kind of like Syrian biotech.

So I saw this as being kind of a progression of products that were being sponsored and wondered what the connection was between that and the audience, or at least that and the company’s perception of the audience. So do the changes in sponsorship correlate with changes in [00:18:00] the Formula One audience and kind of the cultural position of Formula One?

I thought, well, let me see if I can quantify that in some way, and honestly, I don’t know if I had, but what I was able to do was find a Wikipedia site where someone had looked at every Formula One team, and by year, they had the constructor, and that’s how it was listed. Then they identified what they called, at various places, the main sponsor, the delivery sponsor, or the principal sponsor.

And then they had a list of all the secondary sponsors, which obviously was pretty extensive. So I thought, well, let me see who was committed enough to be a main sponsor for three or more consecutive years. In other words, they really believed in something enough to really make a financial commitment.

And then what I did was I looked through and tried to classify them by industry. Take a quick look at who the sponsors were. Now, in [00:19:00] automotive, there weren’t many, where there was some sort of automotive automobile or automotive product associated with a different constructor. Now, I’m guessing that there’s probably a pretty close connection between Stewart and Ford and between HRT and Cosworth.

This is the one where there’s probably no connection. And I’m thinking maybe Infinity was willing to sponsor Red Bull because there was no other automotive name associated with it. Some of the other categories, these are the ones where the constructor was also the principal sponsor. On the one hand, you can see where the automobile company itself, obviously, tremendous resources, is its own principal sponsor, Alfa Romeo, Honda, Lotus, Mercedes Benz for a time, Renault, and some of the others, you can see, you know, some of the more Are less well known constructors.

Apparently couldn’t get another sponsor. So ended up being the principal sponsor themselves. [00:20:00] Here we have the consumer electronics sponsorships. Now again, the idea is principal sponsor three or more consecutive years. General consumer products. And it doesn’t appear to be any particular product category here.

It’s quite a wide variety of companies, you know, many of which I never heard of. Financial companies. Call this oil and chemicals. Actually, most of it’s petrochemicals. There are a few. I think this is a kind of a sugar company. I think Corto’s, you know, is more diversified products. But, you know, notice most of them are petrochemicals.

Technology companies. Tobacco companies. And here you can see, like, Marlboro, for example, sponsored in a wide variety of teams for extended periods of time. And, like, Imperial Tobacco was there for Gold Leaf, but then was there for John Player Specials. You know, there was some sort of break between these, so they didn’t sponsor for a while, and then did.

[00:21:00] transportation companies or logistics companies. So what? I’m not even going to try to necessarily make sense. You can look at these and you can see if this really can have any connection. Obviously, this was very preliminary, okay? So, most of them, constructors, tobacco and petrochemicals, We’re the largest sponsors, then you move into kind of consumer products, and now later into technology and transportation, the average beginning for these terms was highest for tobacco and general consumer products, and then oil and transportation, and later on financial technology.

More recent phenomenon and finally length of sponsorship. I kind of thought this was interesting is that consumer products tended to stick with team for the longest period of time, but tobacco was pretty loyal constructor. It seemed to me that, you know, you would finance yourself until you could find someone else to [00:22:00] provide the principal sponsorship.

So as I said, I’m not sure if these numbers really justify, however, the claim I’m making is that this evolution of sponsorships correlates with the evolution of F1 as a cultural phenomenon. 1950s, F1 was appealing to a subculture. You know, you look at the folks here, I think there are two women and one child in this photo.

Basically, it’s a lot of guys, many of whom appear to be of the same age. It moved from subculture to more mass cultural. A wider range of people were coming. They were bringing their families. You could fill the stands. So we see the transition from the automotive products and tobacco products to the general consumer products.

This is a transition I find interesting. And honestly, I was thinking, you know, maybe next year I ought to come up and do some [00:23:00] research on the cooling of Formula One. So when did Formula 1 go from being a mass phenomenon to being associated with James Bond? So this was where it kind of took the leap from the general consumer products into kind of the higher end products.

Interestingly, Formula 1 now is being used as a backdrop for fashion. It clearly has become very high end and very fashionable, although it does not look as if this has led to fashion sponsorships yet. So you don’t see fashion companies putting their name on the vehicles, but of course, what you do see more than anything else now is this formula.

One is the epitome of technological sophistication, and a lot of companies are taking advantage of that. Making the association and as I suggested giving some sort of tangible image to what is for the most part an intangible and in some cases almost incomprehensible product. It took [00:24:00] me a while before I ever imagined what Palantir did.

So, I think there’s something here. Now, we just saw a presentation which was a long series of clear violations of the statistical principle that correlation does not imply causation. Just because two things happen together doesn’t mean that one caused the other. In this case, I think that may be true.

The audience for Formula One, or at least the stereotypes of the audience for Formula One, or how Formula One is viewed culturally, then leads companies to exploit that with appropriate sponsorships. Therefore, if we’re interested in seeing where this is within the culture, we can look at this in order to do it.

Thank you very much.

Comment. Regarding sponsorship, you mentioned that Marlboro is there again and again and again. I get the impression that you don’t have a [00:25:00] sponsor ever sponsoring multiple teams in the same season. Is that correct? And if not, why not? I mean, it seems like you’d want your name splattered everywhere. You know, Marlboro never sponsored more than one car at the same time.

You’d mentioned you, uh, hadn’t seen a green car with tobacco sponsorship. Well, in North America, Cool Cigarettes was a major sponsor for almost a decade in Formula Atlantic and, uh, CART IndyCar. You started out talking, you mentioned the Go Bowling. I had a chance to interview the Go Bowling folks in August.

Demographics is their big interest in NASCAR because their demographic in bowling are very similar to demographics of what they find. In NASCAR. And so that’s why they come. And it’s not just about being on the signage or on a car. They do what’s called activation, which they bring a bowling alley here [00:26:00] and set it up and let people get involved and the clothing and that sort of thing.

But yeah, it’s not just about your name on the car. It’s what they call activation. and getting people involved and out to the track. You talked about cigarettes and alcohol sponsorship in the 70s. And you talked about, you know, the demographic, who they’re trying to attract. I think it’s also affected the memory of that era as well.

In my social media streams, I’m always getting these pictures of James Hunt smoking and drinking. It seems to be that when people think nostalgically about that era, It’s the smoking and drinking and, you know, leading to guys like Hunt being a little overrated. So anyway, I hope that doesn’t offend anyone.

Um, he kind of lucked into a championship, but that’s another story. But I think it’s also affected the memory. So not just the image of the time, but even how we think about the past. That’s wonderful research, Skip. You’re doing some great stuff there. I have a question about the role of the individual.

Like, we [00:27:00] see this in NASCAR a lot. A driver will come to a team with a sponsor, and that’s where they get their job. And it’s to the point where drivers will get fired because somebody else comes in with a more lucrative sponsor that’s sponsoring the individual, not so much the team. They’ll sponsor whatever car this guy or woman goes to.

I’m just wondering if you saw that with Formula One. Because I’m thinking of someone like Lewis Hamilton. We were all talking about the fashion industry. He seems to be connected with a lot of high end clothing companies, Tommy Hilfiger, and then like the watch deals that so many see drivers promoting watches that seems to be much more personal than a team or a manufacturer.

So just wondering if. There’s any correlation there. That’s clearly, that’s clearly worth doing. As I said, the source for that information was by Constructor. Call me a slacker. I didn’t go the next step to see what drivers were associated with those vehicles at the time and [00:28:00] then to see whether they had an influence on subsequent sponsorship.

But clearly, that would be worth doing. And actually, there’s a wealth of PhD dissertation material here. There really is. Unfortunately, motorsports could stand to be a much more acceptable topic of academic research. I think we’ve just seen Bernie Ecclestone lectures on Formula One with Jim Miller. Then we got Richard Haynes coming up.

Skip, wonderful presentation. Can’t say enough good things about it. A lot of great comments. Yay.

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Skip challenges the conventional wisdom that sponsorship is purely about marketing ROI. Sure, companies want visibility, but he identifies deeper motivations:

  • Customer Retention & Fantasy Fulfillment: Red Bull doesn’t just sell energy drinks—it sells the dream of podium glory. Fans may never race, but they can sip the same fuel as champions.
  • Social Capital & Networking: Sponsorship grants access to exclusive events, photo ops with drivers, and VIP hospitality. It’s a way to “hang with the cool kids,” impress clients, and build prestige.
  • Political & National Pride: Italian brands like Parmalat once used F1 to signal patriotism and ambition, especially during periods of corporate expansion.
  • Tangibility for Intangible Brands: Tech firms like Palantir use F1 to give physical form to abstract services. A logo on a Ferrari makes data mining feel more real.

One of Skip’s most compelling anecdotes involves a German biotech company sponsoring a solo sailing race. Though the firm had no direct link to sport, the sponsorship led to media coverage, boosted its profile during acquisition talks, and gave executives a relatable story to share – proof that emotional resonance can be more valuable than direct advertising.

Using a Wikipedia dataset of F1 constructors and sponsors, Skip categorized long-term sponsors by industry. His findings suggest:

  • Tobacco and petrochemicals dominated early sponsorships.
  • Consumer products had the longest sponsorship durations.
  • Technology and financial firms are recent entrants, reflecting F1’s shift toward upscale and digital audiences.

Skip concludes that F1’s sponsorship evolution mirrors its cultural journey:

  • 1950s: Male-dominated subculture.
  • 1980s–2000s: Mass appeal with family-friendly events.
  • Today: A fashionable, high-tech spectacle- more James Bond than grassroots racing.

Fashion brands haven’t yet plastered their logos on cars, but F1 is increasingly a backdrop for style shoots and luxury branding. Drivers like Lewis Hamilton embody this shift, bringing personal sponsors like Tommy Hilfiger and watch companies into the spotlight.


Academic Goldmine

Skip’s talk ends with a call to action: motorsports deserve more academic attention. The interplay of finance, culture, and identity in F1 sponsorships offers fertile ground for dissertations, documentaries, and deeper research.

Whether you’re a fan of tire compounds or cultural theory, Skip McGoun’s “Follow the Money” presentation reminds us that every logo on a race car tells a story – not just of commerce, but of who we are, what we value, and how we dream.

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On this episode of The Logbook, our History of Motorsports series, sponsored by the International Motor Racing Research Center, we feature Dr. James Miller presenting on the history of Formula One racing at Watkins Glen. The presentation highlights Watkins Glen’s 20-year era of hosting Formula One from 1961 to 1980, underscoring its unique community involvement, the evolution of Formula One, and the significant cultural and technological impacts of this era. Miller, a professor emeritus and a member of the Porsche Club of America, delves into the local economic benefits, the transition from amateur to professional racing, and the challenges faced by the sport during that period. He also compares the racing circus to traditional carnivals and fairs, noting how they both required community effort and brought advanced technologies of their times. The discussion spans notable personalities, the transformation of racing teams, driver dynamics, and the ongoing legacy of motorsport in Watkins Glen.

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[00:00:00] Brake Fix’s History of Motorsports series is brought to you in part by the International Motor Racing Research Center, as well as the Society of Automotive Historians, the Watkins Glen Area Chamber of Commerce, and the Argettsinger family.

Formula One at Watkins Glen. The Circus Days by Dr. James Miller. James Miller has had a long time interest in media technology and this led him to the historical study of the automobile as an underappreciated site of media consumption. From there, the highly digitized modern race car presented itself as a possible precursor of future mobility.

This was also an excuse to intellectualize the pleasure of motorsports, which has resulted in a connection with the IMRRC and membership in the International Motor Press Association. Miller is a professor emeritus of communications at Hampshire College, a former member of the graduate faculty at UMass Amherst, and a member of the Porsche Club of America.

Formula One raced at [00:01:00] Watkins Glen for 20 years, from 1961 to 1980. This was a still early time in post war Formula One, when nearly everything was smaller scale, sponsorship was just beginning, a DIY ethos ruled the paddock, and U. S. media attention was limited. Yet these 20 years mark a crucial midway point between the Glen’s original road racing and the modern, corporatized Formula One that has now developed into a global media spectacle.

To mark 75 years of Watkins Glen Motorsports, this presentation offers a sketch of this distinctive time and place with emphasis on the local community engagement that made those glorious 20 years of Formula One possible. Our next presentation is by Professor Jim Miller, and it’s a very much appropriate one.

Formula One at Watkins Glen Circus Days. So, Jim, when you’re ready. Thank you. So, sports car racing on the streets and roads of Watkins Glen took place between 1948 and 1955. It was the realization of a fantastic dream of [00:02:00] Cameron Argettsinger. He’d summered on the nearby family farm and learned to drive on these same streets and roads when he was just 12 years old.

Argettsinger teamed up with the village mayor, a newspaper man, a garage operator, the owner of the Seneca Lodge, and a bunch of other local business leaders, racing they thought would be fun for the Northeastern elite who could afford to do it, and the spectacle would extend the local economic benefits of tourism further into the autumn.

The races were successful beyond expectations, drawing thousands of spectators. The first permanent track was built in 1956 and a second in 1971. In 1961, Formula One came to stay for 20 years. This presentation is part of a larger historical study of Grand Prix auto racing. Last year, I presented a model of F1’s developmental stages with a media orientation and an emphasis on the U.

S. Watkins Glen seemed to me to be a worthwhile case study of what I’m calling the Circus Era. That’ll be my focus today, [00:03:00] although I can only skim the surface of what I’ve learned since last November. Let me begin with three key observations, which will help you appreciate the details that follow. First, the 13 years of racing at Watkins Glen very much prefigured the Formula One experience.

In terms of organization, success, community involvement, sanctioning issues, and financial challenges. My second takeaway is related to the first. F1 at Watkins Glen was a fluke of historical circumstances that came together almost kaleidoscopically. It was at once a logical step in the modernization of Formula One.

A remarkable local achievement in a situation whose apparent strengths were equally the source of its eventual failure, that is, bankruptcy and the loss of the U. S. Grand Prix. A last observation is that there’s no denying the importance of F1 at the Glen. Nearly half of all U. S. GPs attend F1. Watkins Glen hosted the race longer than any other [00:04:00] American venue.

Teams, drivers, the press, fans, all agreed on the special charm and beauty of the place, the warmth and skill of race organizers, and the joyous participation of the villagers. It was unique, and also more generally influential, in what people call the Watkins Glen Effect, meaning, Encouraging other early circuits, like Elkhart Lake, Lime Rock, and perhaps Bridgehampton.

Nor is the past forgotten locally. For 30 years, the village has hosted a one day Grand Prix festival. That’s a kind of reenactment of those long ago times. And the Argett Singer’s family, The gift of the International Motor Racing Research Center collects and preserves precious materials that document the past, available to anyone.

This was a period when F1 began to become something recognizable to our own time. Regular circuits and countries became legacy venues. Familiar teams established themselves. Champion drivers emerged, and there were serious technological advances. The sport also [00:05:00] became more commercial and actually depended on sponsorship, which changed car livery from national colors to corporate and product designs.

While new organizations like the GP Drivers Association and the F1 Constructors Association challenged both the authority of the FIA and the independence of local race organizers. It was also an extremely dangerous time. When nine drivers were killed, two of them here, these fatalities provoked drivers into a sustained program for safety that improved tracks and racecars.

Here’s a schematic representation of the circus era study as it’s coalescing. I won’t be talking about the media component today due to lack of time. My overall aim in this is to move outside the usual motorsport historiography into a more lived cultural context, a kind of arms length ethnography. The most abstract and all encompassing frame here is the carnivalesque.

By this I mean a zone of sanctioned fun, but [00:06:00] crucially, where inversions of the normal take place, where fantasy becomes reality. So, speeding is prohibited, except here, where it’s demanded. Where mythical gods turn into superhuman drivers. Where everyday safety and security are abandoned in favor of embracing danger.

And where celebration, without inhibition, prevails. takes place. Think of the bog. A side note, and there could be many of these, during this period, another related carnivalesque phenomenon, the Outdoor Music Festival, emerged. Holistic leisure, somebody calls it, complete with on site camping, merchandise, food, and all the rest.

In July of 73, there was Summer Jam, featuring the Allman Brothers, the Grateful Dead, the band, and 600, 000 rock fans, and it took place here. Calling this the circus era goes beyond an affectionate metaphor. In fact, the circus and the county fair are predecessor cultural forms to Formula One. They afford ready made structures and cultural [00:07:00] practices that racing took as its own.

Both are mostly rural and small town. Fairs were meant to educate farmers about the latest agricultural techniques, and that required entertainment to get their attention, which looked a lot like circuses, some version of the rings and the midways. Locals collaborated to maintain an annual fair, and they mixed it up with the exotic outsiders that circuses brought to town.

Fairs sought to be community building. Circuses displayed advanced technologies, like electric lighting and travel by train. Fairs involved competition, animal building, and canned fruit. Circuses were mobile encampments, while fairgrounds had permanent buildings. Fairs most popular events were Included horse racing, which gave way to auto racing with circuits and grandstands auto thrill shows were a kind of circus spinoff.

There’s a great deal more to say about how circuses and faires foreshadowed automobile racing and maybe F1 in particular during this period, just not today. Watkins Glen is a rural village whose [00:08:00] population during the circus era was about 2, 500. People descend mainly from English and Irish immigrants and there’s a sizable Italian community.

The area then was mostly agricultural with a significant salt producing industry. Situated at the southern tip of Seneca Lake, Watkins Glen has a long history of tourism. Steamboats and the railroad brought the well to do to elegant hotels and a spa near a two mile long gorge, which at the turn of the 20th century Became a popular New York State Park was and it is pleasant working class town of small businesses and modest homes.

Its biggest neighbors include Ithaca, home of Cornell and Elmira, where there’s a small airport. There is nothing in any of these rather commonplace features, even hints that someday Watkins Glen would become globally synonymous with the pinnacle of international road racing and produce a 75 year heritage of motorsports.

The invention of road racing at Watkins Glen [00:09:00] was a top down affair. It would come to involve the genuine enthusiasm and active support of townspeople, but it was mostly the work of a social elite, men with the experience, education, time, and means to organize, operate, and compete in sports car racing.

There was a core of local founders. They were informed by pre war racing in the U. S. and Europe, and savvy enough to gain sanctioning to close the streets and roads, To stop the trains to attract contestants and all the rest. Drivers were gentlemen sportsmen with serious money, fame, or both. They might have played polo or sailed in regattas.

They attended the dropout of Ivy League schools. They were widely known in popular culture. They had resources for serious play. A modest 1948 MGTC cost twice the price of a basic Ford coupe. Many of them had experienced the Depression in comfort. They all, of course, had survived the war and were looking to live full lives.

Some were heirs and were especially [00:10:00] influential. The Collier brothers grew up on an estate next to the Rockefellers. The boys built a racetrack out of its service roads. In the years just before the stock market crash, teenage Sam built and ran a summer theater featuring vaudeville in movies. It’s seated 66 and was financed by his father.

The patriarch made his money in streetcar and subway advertising and then bought more than a million acres of southwest Florida, where Collier County is named for him. Briggs Cunningham is in a league of his own. His influence on American post war road racing is probably as immeasurable as his personal wealth.

It was Cameron Argettsinger’s dream to race cars through the roads where his family roots were generations deep. His father had gone to Ohio, where he became an officer of a Youngstown steel mill. Father and son drove Packards. At age 20, Cameron was co owner of a Packard dealership. After the war, he was a married father, and between college and law school, he seems to have been able to devote himself [00:11:00] to road racing.

It would not be unkind to call this a vanity project, one whose success was directly linked to Argettsinger’s philanthropy. From the start, he sought to bring Formula One to the Glen. Many teams, as many as 60, circulated through F1 during the circus era. Maybe 15 could be considered significant. What are today called team principles were then some combination of owner manager, fundraiser, and designer.

Colin Chapman was a university trained engineer. A number of these owners were former drivers. Bruce McLaren designed, built, and drove his own cars. Sometimes a mother company manufactured road cars. whose main purpose was to pay for racing. Ferrari and Lotus are examples. These men shared a single minded dedication to the sport.

Frank Williams called it a lifelong compulsion. Ginny Williams wrote this about her husband of nearly 40 years. I’m quite certain he never visualized himself as one of the world’s leading constructors. His motivation was [00:12:00] simply his love of Formula One racing. He was addicted, no lesser word will do, to all aspects of the Grand Prix circus.

He didn’t really mind whether he was on the trapeze or cleaning out the cages, so long as he was there. The owners were idiosyncratic. Williams never ate on race day. He didn’t drink or smoke. He was a serious runner, keeping very fit. His future wife loaned him her inheritance, infuriating her father, who stopped Jenny’s monthly allowance.

Williams barely made his own wedding, and lived his first married year without furniture. There were an eviction and a baby at about the same time. His personal driving was so dangerous, he was called a hooligan. Teams often operated on a shoestring and with a DIY mentality. Enzo Ferrari disdainfully called them garagistas.

It took Williams a good decade before his team found success. He started by buying and selling used race cars and parts. Sharing a London bachelor pad. Creditors circled and [00:13:00] mechanics were paid by barter. Ford would loan the team a van, and Frank would sell it for cash. Drivers avoided his team. Maybe out of pity, Ken Tyrrell loaned an engine.

But Williams made his team feel like a family. People worked for him for ages. And eventually, of course, during the circus era, Williams won 11 races and a driver’s and a constructor’s championship. Things got only better after that. But running a team was hit or miss then, and teams very much reflected their owners quirky, impassioned personalities.

There’s disagreement about who first remarked that F1 drivers are like interchangeable light bulbs. But you see the point. During the circus era, there were a great many drivers who passed through the sport. Teams then didn’t identify, train, and advance them. Careers were short, several years at most. And only a few rose to the glow of celebrity.

Among scores, even hundreds of dimmer bulbs. For most, even those who became stars, a driver’s life was often one of struggle [00:14:00] and danger. Jackie Stewart was three times world champion. Eventually, he ran his own team. He led the successful fight for driver safety. Roman Polanski made a film about him, and George Harrison recorded a single.

He provided TV race commentary, and was a spokesman for Ford and Rolex. The King of Jordan was Stewart’s buddy. Stewart’s calls his F1 experience and the life it engendered a rocket ship ride. That’s because he began as a mechanic in his family’s rural garage. Climbing the ladder he says, I drove whenever, whatever, wherever possible.

For his first Monaco race, To save money, he drove the round trip from Scotland. And while he felt he was up against the sons of rich fathers, he referred to death on the track as akin to an air crash and a medieval battlefield. Today’s drivers, Stewart says, have no understanding at all. of what we experience.

Mechanics are the essential grunts of Formula One. They may be dedicated to their team [00:15:00] and enjoy a winning relationship with a driver, but their anonymous life is hard, with 14, 16, and even 18 hour days not uncommon in the past. Steve Matchett, a Bennington mechanic for eight years during 90s, offers these unromantic recollections.

He recalls wearing bubble wrap on his feet during winter testing in the UK, plus a t shirt, race shirt, sleeveless sweater, heavy knit sweater, duck down body warmer, and wet weather anorak. The long hours, the all nighters, and the hectic workloads that we are sometimes forced to endure are terrible facets of work in F1, and at times, I felt we were little more than slave labor.

The reality is this. Formula One, for all its associated passions, is a job of work, another way of earning a living. The Grand Prix Drivers Association gave Watkins Glen its Best Stage Grand Prix Award in 1965, and 1970, [00:16:00] 1972. Ginny Williams said that Watkins Glen was my favorite place in the world. Jackie Stewart remembered the glorious colors of autumn in the Finger Lakes.

Rural America in the fullest sense, and unlike the other places we’d be traveling to. The team stayed at the Glen Motor Inn. And because of the Canadian and Mexican races, Teams might remain there for three weeks. There was a charity golf tournament for drivers. Drivers fished on the lake. Bruce McLaren waterskied.

Graham Hill said, In Europe, we don’t stay in the same hotels. We meet only at the racetrack. Here, it’s like a party. Well, there were actual parties. Before the race, at the Argettsingers home, where Bill Green screened race movies in the garage. Looking back, Bill Milliken said, The homespun hospitality led to permanent friendships and was never forgotten by drivers or teams.

There was a post race party at the Seneca Lodge, where Francois Severe would play the piano, and James Hunt picked up waitresses. In between, there was a [00:17:00] champagne party for drivers wives and girlfriends. When F1 was finished with the Glen, Rob Walker said, It makes me very sad to have to go. Local people sold parking places in their yards.

Kids sold race tickets to the lines of cars streaming into the track. Church ladies prepared boxed lunches. Concession stands were staffed by locals, and some of that money paid for the annual high school trip to Washington. Ferrari mechanics overheard Italian being spoken in a store, which led them to cooking with the Italian speaking villager in her kitchen.

Before there were proper facilities at the track, dealerships that ordinarily sold Detroit products turned their garages over to the F1 teams, and locals trucked the cars up the hill for the race. Rick Huey’s experience with Tyrrell Racing epitomizes the easy collaboration between the visiting circus and the villagers.

To put it way too briefly, as a teenager, Rick met Ken. This led to Rick’s becoming an invaluable local man Friday. And then for 27 years, at several North American [00:18:00] tracks, Rick worked when he could as a Terrell team member. Try that today. So, what remains to be studied? Well, there is the so called Watkins Glen Effect, a kind of ripple across U.

S. road racing. Local participation was a distinctive feature here. More specific examples would bring this more to life, like names of lodgings and shops that catered to the race crowd, stories about volunteering, memories about F1 cars at places like the Chevy Garage. That sort of thing. But that’s a tough challenge to get that kind of information so many years later.

And some sort of limited comparison with F1 in Europe during this period would demonstrate either how unusual Watkins Glen was or how certain Grand Prix qualities were universal. I would just say that there’s always more to be done.

Thank you, Jim. Some questions for Jim. We talk a lot about the glory days, the glory days at Watkins Glen. What are [00:19:00] ways that you can see us both preserving that heritage, but also adding to it? Well, I suppose there are different ways to come at that. My particular interest here is regarding F1. I have a broader interest in sports car racing.

And of course, NASCAR has been here now for a long time. So there’s still racing going on. The research center, where I’ve spent many hours, Both going through materials and talking with generous people is this living archive full of material, which just speaking for myself in this project, I now feel a responsibility to bring this to life in some way and publish it and see that it’s circulated.

So perhaps people can remember a past. Maybe the larger question is, you know, is there a future for auto racing as we’ve known it? I had this kind of cockamamie model that I presented last year, which suggests that maybe the next chapter in the life of Formula One, at least. Might be a kind of a simulated hyper reality experience where we don’t have to go to a race which actually isn’t taking place anyway.

Now that’s pretty extreme speculation. Those would be my initial responses to your [00:20:00] question. Vintage racing might be another way to help preserve and present historic race cars. Probably heard this, Sam Posey wrote a book, I think it was called The Mudge Pond Express. It’s a little hard to find, but it really describes a lot of the escapades that went on back in the day.

I haven’t read Posey’s book, but I live relatively close to Lime Rock, so the straight there is now named after him, and he lives in Sharon. The vintage racing is actually one of the principal activities during the annual Grand Prix Festival here in September. It’s a good point. It happened a weekend earlier annually at Lime Rock.

I have to say this, and I hope it’s not offensive to anybody, but I think we owe Bernie Eccleston for the decline of Formula One racing here at Watkins Glen, and I really regret that we’re moving to venues like Las Vegas, but money drives the world. Eccleston then was the leader of the Formula One Constructors Association.

He was a Brabham team owner at the [00:21:00] time, I think. His aim was to Get a better deal for the teams, and especially lining his own pockets. My recollection, and others would know this better than I do, is that he in particular put pressure, along with the drivers, on the track for more updated facilities. I think toilets in the paddock might have been one of the issues.

As well as safety. One of the dynamics going on at the time was a kind of general upgrade. It was just too expensive, as I understand it, for Watkins. Now Bill, don’t challenge any of my historical facts. What I’m going to tell you is the biggest rock concert was here. Bigger than Woodstock and bigger than the one that was at Ontario some years later.

I worked here. And so did Rick Huey. Rick was around. Bunch of us others. When it came time for Summer Jam, You couldn’t go nowheres in Watkins Glen. Montour Main Street was parked full of cars and there was cars all over the place in Watkins Glen. The only way you could go down through Montour Falls was down South Street, out and over the roadway to Burdett and all that.

But it was the biggest thing in the world. [00:22:00] And the pickup after that was a lot too of all kinds of things. Cars that would never, never go back where they had came from. And you’d find money on the ground. Food that was unable to be preserved because they didn’t have enough ice. But anyways, Watkins Glen was the biggest one.

Bigger than the other two that I mentioned. Okay, that’s interesting because in July of 72, there was a music festival held at Pocono Raceway. And it was about a quarter of a million people or so showed up, and it was like a Woodstock type of thing. And that’s just when he said that, and it’s like, wait a second, Pocono had one as well.

So it must just be a commercial endeavor for a facility. That takes in lots of people, has a lot of room, can hold campers, and I just wanted to see the construction. Well, those were the days, and these places are natural sites. The organizers here were serious professionals who had done other very successful gatherings.

This got totally out of control, as I understand it. And as in many cases, Woodstock would be the prime example. Many people paid nothing. They just overwhelmed the place. [00:23:00] My sense is that the local people were very upset by this invasion of 600, 000 people. The Pocono event did as well. Roads were blocked.

It was a rainy weekend, so it was mud and a lot of gate crashing. And again, crippling the community because there was such an influx going to the racetrack. Although some of us have a certain age kind of remember those things fondly. We won’t go there. How I’m trying to conceptualize. A historical moment and particularly in this place is convincing to you and whether you have suggestions for ways to fiddle with it Thank you, jim.

That was wonderful. That was a very different look. Thank you

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Miller frames this period as the “Circus Era,” not just metaphorically but culturally. Like traveling circuses and county fairs, Formula One brought exotic outsiders, cutting-edge technology, and a sense of inversion – where danger was embraced, speed was celebrated, and mythical drivers became local legends. Watkins Glen’s charm lay in its ability to host this spectacle while remaining deeply rooted in its community.

What made Watkins Glen unique wasn’t just the racing – it was the people. Locals sold parking spots in their yards, staffed concession stands, and even lent their garages to F1 teams. Drivers stayed at the Glen Motor Inn, fished in Seneca Lake, and partied at the Argetsinger home and Seneca Lodge. Mechanics cooked with Italian-speaking villagers. Teenagers like Rick Huey became honorary team members. It was a grassroots collaboration between villagers and the racing elite.

Miller doesn’t shy away from the darker truths. The era was perilous – nine drivers lost their lives, two at the Glen. Mechanics endured grueling hours, often working in freezing conditions with makeshift gear. Teams operated on shoestring budgets, fueled by passion more than profit. Frank Williams, for example, lived without furniture, borrowed money from his future wife, and sold team vans for cash – yet built a championship-winning team.

Miller’s approach is refreshingly interdisciplinary. He views motorsports through a media and cultural lens, likening F1 to carnivalesque spaces where fantasy becomes reality. He draws parallels between racing and outdoor music festivals like the 1973 Summer Jam, which brought 600,000 fans to Watkins Glen – larger than Woodstock. These events, he argues, reflect a holistic leisure culture that shaped the Glen’s identity.


Legacy and the Watkins Glen Effect

Watkins Glen hosted more U.S. Grands Prix than any other venue. Its influence rippled across American motorsports, inspiring tracks like Lime Rock and Elkhart Lake. The Grand Prix Drivers Association awarded it “Best Stage Grand Prix” multiple times. Today, the village honors its legacy with an annual Grand Prix Festival and through the work of the International Motor Racing Research Center, which preserves this rich history.

As Miller reflects, the challenge now is not just remembering Watkins Glen’s glory days but envisioning what motorsports might become. Could simulated hyper-reality replace physical races? Will vintage racing keep the spirit alive? These questions linger, but one thing is clear: Watkins Glen’s Circus Era was a magical moment in motorsports history – where community, culture, and competition converged in unforgettable ways.

This episode is sponsored in part by: The International Motor Racing Research Center (IMRRC), The Society of Automotive Historians (SAH), The Watkins Glen Area Chamber of Commerce, and the Argetsinger Family – and was recorded in front of a live studio audience.


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Screen to Speed: Anjali Vadgama Silva

In Episode 30 of INIT Talks, host Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya (@LoveFortySix) sits down with the inspiring Anjali Vadgama Silva, a racing driver and ambassador for Team BRIT. Despite living with multiple sclerosis (MS), Anjali continues to defy expectations, breaking barriers in motorsport and advocating for greater inclusivity and awareness for those with disabilities.

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This episode explores Anjali’s journey as a racing driver, her work with Team BRIT, and her inspiring mission to support the MS community. Anjali shares her incredible goal of walking the London Marathon to raise funds for MS-UK, a charity dedicated to helping people with MS live healthier and more fulfilled lives. Her story is a testament to determination, resilience, and her passion for making a difference both on and off the track.

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  • 03:25 Innovative Racing Controls for Disabled Drivers
  • 06:54 Anji’s Racing Journey and Team Brit’s Future
  • 21:11 Women in Motorsport: Challenges and Inspirations
  • 26:26 Personal Life and Future Plans
  • 36:49 Final Thoughts and Farewell
  • 38:39 About INIT eSports and Sponsors

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Crew Chief Brad: [00:00:00] Welcome to Screen to Speed powered by INIT Esports. In this podcast, we dive into the journeys of remarkable individuals making waves in sim racing and bridging the virtual with the real. From the thrill of digital circuits to the roar of real life racetracks, we explore the passion, Dedication and innovation that drives the world of motorsports.

We’ll hear from athletes, creators, and pioneers sharing their stories, insights, and the powerful ways sim racing is connecting communities and creating pathways into motorsports. So buckle up, Screen to Speed starts now.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Welcome everyone. Hello to another INITalks. Today we got Angie Silva. She is a racing driver for Team Breed, known for breaking barriers, inspiring disabled [00:01:00] individuals in motorsport. And, uh, she’s going to walk the London Marathon next year to raise money for MSUK, so we can start talking about this, uh, So can you tell me more about this marathon?

Yeah, sure thing.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Uh, so hi everyone. I’m andrea Um, I will be taking part in the london marathon next year on the 27th of april, which is a sunday Um, I have ms. So My body works half the time. It doesn’t the other half. Um, I became paralyzed for about two weeks from the waist down, so I didn’t really have use of my legs.

Um, now I am able to walk. I use a walking stick, so taking on the marathon is a big, it’s a big challenge in itself, but I’m really excited to kind of work with MSUK and actually help them to hopefully get some funding as well. Um, MSUK have been great help with me, um, when I got diagnosed with my MS. So, um, it’s just me kind of saying thank you to them.

And also I think it’s an amazing [00:02:00] thing to actually be able to take part in a marathon and that being the London one.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Great. That’s, uh, that’s awesome that you, um, you know, trying to push your limits and boundaries also, uh, that’s awesome. Uh, I know that you, uh, part of the team breeds, uh, can you tell me more about the team, what are you doing here?

And I know that you’re, uh, racing the same team with your wife.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Yeah, so, um, I’ve taken a bit of a step back from racing itself, but I’m still part of the team. So I’m a Team Brit ambassador. Um, my wife races for Team Brit, um, at the moment and will be next year as well. Um, I had the, I guess I had the, um, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, C1 Cup, which was amazing, but actually seeing her this year actually kind of go from strength to strength has been amazing.

Um, with Team Brit, I am there for kind of like events. I help out where I can. Um, I’m generally [00:03:00] I guess right hand lady. So if I can help her with anything, I’m more than happy to kind of do that as well. And kind of same with Team Brit as well. So if there’s anything that I’m able to jump in and help them with, more than happy to do that.

Um, I think it’s amazing to be part of the world’s only all disabled driver race car team. So, um, just, yeah, I think it’s a great thing that Team Brit does. And I’m kind of really happy to be part of that, the team.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Awesome. Um, So you get opportunity to race the, the racing car also, and, um, where do you disable and can you tell people more how is it to race with, uh, different controls on the car as we, uh, know that we’re using the pedals and you’re using, um, something special on your wheel?

So tell me more about this.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: So we have drivers who are paralyzed from their kind of waist down, who are missing limbs, who only have use of maybe one leg, one arm, or even like myself, I’ve got a, I’ve got a very weak left leg. So I wasn’t able to kind of use that [00:04:00] for pressure. And so the kind of great thing about Team Brit is we have a hand control that our race engineer designed.

You’re able to I guess you are able to drive the car with acceleration, brake, and change gear all on the steering wheel. So on a normal car where you have shift pedals, that’s where you would have your acceleration and your brake and you’ll have a um, kind of toggle switch for your up and down gear gears as well.

So not only are you able to completely not use your legs at all and use everything with your hands, you can also have the ability to use maybe partly hand control and partly pedals as well, which is amazing.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s awesome. Um, because, you know, a few times in some racing, I tried to use my hands, uh, on the wheel, uh, just for fun that was, uh, in, you know, found it, uh, quite easy after some time to just, uh, get used to things and it’s, uh, like kind of natural to use, uh, the throttle, uh, with your hands.

So yeah, that’s great that you got an [00:05:00] opportunity, yeah, uh, to just jump in the car and doesn’t matter if you’re disabled or not, and to be competitive and it’s really cool.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Yeah, exactly that. With Team Brit, in order to kind of be part of the team, you do have to have a disability, whether that’s mental or physical.

Um, but they do do kind of academy days where our sponsors are able to kind of come on board. Um, and they will be able to get some of their kind of colleagues or individuals that actually sponsor, actually get them into the car and actually feel how the car does drive. I mean, we always test them out on our sim controls.

So all of our sim. Simulators at Team Brite HQ, they’re all powered by the hand controls, so there is no pedals there, so they get the experience of how our drivers actually drive the race car.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s nice. Awesome. Um, so speaking about the Team Brite, what kind of cars do you have? What kind of championships do you race in, in real life?

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Yep. So they’ve got, [00:06:00] uh, forecasts. So they’ve got two BMWs. They’ve got a BM BMW one series, and they’ve got BMW MT 40 I. And they’ve also got two, uh, McLaren’s five 70 SI believe. Mm-Hmm. five 20 s. But, um, there’s two of them, which is great. Um, so the championships are a part of, um, the McLaren was in the British GT Cup, um, and last, or this year it was in the Brick car Endurance, and both of the BMWs were in the.

Brick Car Trophy. So next year we are looking to enter in the Brick Car Endurance Slash Trophy. I think they’ve kind of bundled it into one, um, championship, which is amazing. Um, and we may even be looking at doing a European series as well, but not too sure on that as of yet.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Mm hmm. Awesome. Um, so yeah, uh, we’ve been speaking about the, the Team Braids and, uh, what you’re doing now for them, yeah?

Um, uh, can you tell me more about your past and how you started in racing, how you get [00:07:00] involved into the sport and, uh, how your passion started?

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Yeah, sure thing. Um, so I’ve always been kind of, Bought up around cars. My dad had his own, um, mechanics garage. So always, always around cars. My grandfather used to be a rally car champion out in Tanzania.

So I kind of like to say racing is in my blood. Uh, racing is obviously a very expensive sport. So never really kind of dabbled into it. Um, and then I got diagnosed with MS and I completely stopped driving. So my road car just didn’t have the confidence to actually drive that. And I was sitting at home with Usher and I saw a documentary on the, uh, one show, which was a TV show, um, on the BBC and, um, I believe I saw Aaron and Bobby there and I thought, hmm, okay, they’re disabled and not only are they driving cars, they’re also driving a race car.

So I got in contact with the team founder and he kind of sent a couple of emails back and forth, had a Couple of phone calls and then he invited me [00:08:00] down to a track day for me to kind of get a feel of what the team is about and he got me on the simulator and I just showed him what I could do and then gave me the experience to actually kind of take the car out for a for a couple of laps, which was amazing and did a little bit more work with them and then they said to me if I’m able to get.

a certain amount of sponsorship, and would I be willing to kind of be part of the team? And I kind of thought, Oh, this is really exciting. I never thought anything like that would happen. And, and, yeah, just joined the team in late 2021, I believe it was and haven’t really looked back. And I’m grateful that I found them because they They allowed me to actually enjoy driving a road car again and not be scared of kind of getting, getting on the road with a disability, which is, which is really good because I’m one of those people where if you’re stranded somewhere, call me, I’ll come get you.

And I kind of lost all of that. And now I’ve kind of [00:09:00] got it back again, which is really nice.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s awesome. Yeah. Then you got opportunities to return back and, um, That’s great. I got this. Um, so outside of the team breeds, are you doing something, uh, like to inspire the disabled people also, uh, like maybe some, you running the social medias and something like this?

Anji Silva-Vadgama: So, um, outside, not really. Um, I just kind of. do my thing I guess on social media. I kind of do, I do anything I guess charity wise or raising awareness is generally always for MSUK and they’ve just been such a great inspiration to me and I’m more than happy to kind of do what I can to kind of help them.

So, um, in October this year in London we’ve got a building known as the Gherkin, um, to climb that. So it was 39 flights of stairs. So I did it last year and I did it again this year for them as well. So I was able to [00:10:00] actually kind of step out of my comfort zone again and climb lots of stairs, which was great fun.

Um, but I’m, I’m a great believer in not letting your disability hold you back. Just because I am disabled doesn’t mean. That I should be I guess tarnished with that word Um, I want to just make sure that if anyone does have a disability or we’re all human at the end of the day So if I can just kind of get at least one person thinking more positively or help them out That i’m i’m happy with that

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s nice that you think in this way, uh, definitely.

Um, so can you tell me about your, uh, your future plans and, uh, plans for your team, what do you want to do in the future?

Anji Silva-Vadgama: So I know with the team and I. But be honored to kind of be part of that as well. They want to go to Le Mans 24, want to be the first [00:11:00] ever kind of all disabled team out there. I think it would be a great, uh, a great achievement to get Team Brett out there.

So, um, that’s what we’re aiming for. Um, I know we need to get a GT3 car first, um, in our, in our books. And then we’re able to kind of Hopefully get invited to Le Mans 24. So, um, yeah, I’m looking forward to that. And we’re always kind of growing, always looking for that kind of sponsorship, whether it’s for a person, individual driver for the team as well.

Um, and we’re always happy to kind of talk with organizations to talk with people as well. We do a lot of work with organizations on disability equality, um, acts as well. So we’ll kind of go into the workplace. We’ll kind of let them know, I guess, what it means to be a disabled person. And ways in which that we could hopefully help them as an organization as well.

So we’re, I guess, we’re there to kind of share things and spread the word.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Mm hmm. That’s a great [00:12:00] goal to take a part in Le Mans 24. That’s one of the biggest events, I think, in real life motorsport. And I’m doing some racing and everybody really likes it. Le Mans in 24 hour race as well. And so everybody like, you know, waiting for this event to happen.

Um, so yeah, that’s a great goal that would that, uh, that your team got. Um, um, so what do you think, when is it going to be possible for you to get into, uh, 24 hour Le Mans and, uh, also, can you tell me, uh, what’s your favorite track? Sure.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Um, so timelines, we, we don’t have a timeline. I think it’s like those things you can’t really put it on anything.

It just goes down to, I guess, funding the drivers that we have and also the cars that we have as well. Um, in order for us to kind of get on that, we do need to kind of get a GT3 car under our books as well. So, until we have that, we can’t really go into that. [00:13:00] Le Mans 24, and as for my favorite racetrack, everyone generally says it’s very boring, but I really like it.

Like, I really do like Silverstone, but I just think because it’s a very kind of patriotic and historic track. Like, I am happy to say that I may have gone off on a corner, but also Lewis Hamilton has gone off on that corner, so I don’t feel as bad. Um, so, um, yeah, it’s, uh, I just find it a really iconic track, and for me it’s about an hour away from where I live as well, which I love.

Um, but yeah, um, Ooh, I say that, but actually I had the pleasure of going to, uh, Porto Mayo at the beginning of this year for, uh, preseason testing and didn’t get to drive the track, but I got to be a passenger, um, while Asha was driving in the, uh, BMW M240i. And, um, that track was unbelievable. Like I couldn’t see the road at one point.

All I could see was sky. Um, And the ups and downs, [00:14:00] the turns, it was, oh, it was amazing, like, I think that was one of the kind of best experiences I’ve had on track, and I wasn’t even driving the car, which definitely made me feel a little bit green, but it was a great experience, and hopefully we get to do it again next year!

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, first of all, it was an amazing track. I’m also a big fan of the tracks with the uphills and downhills. Even in simracing, it gets you so excited. And in real life, I also drove one of the tracks like this. It was a Kazan Ring. It was awesome with some up downs, really fast track. About Silverstone, yeah, you know, it’s a, uh kind of unique track is not for everyone definitely because some people hate it some people love it and Yeah, it’s it’s really technical in the hard track to drive.

I think that’s why people just Struggle with it a little bit.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: No, I’m with you I I know a lot of people say because it’s very flat you don’t have the kind of gradients in there as well [00:15:00] but I I kind of enjoy it. So yeah, it’s each to their own.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, you mentioned Lewis Hamilton. Uh, what is your favorite F1 driver then?

And let’s, let’s talk about Formula One a little bit. Uh, what’s your favorite team and driver as well?

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Team? I’ve always liked Mercedes and I’ve always liked Lewis Hamilton. Um, but I do also like Lando Norris as well, and McLaren. Um, I think there are some great drivers. I’m really excited to see kind of what next season brings as well.

Lots of change happening. But I mean, Yeah, I think I think there are some fantastic drivers and I’m actually looking forward to watching the Las Vegas race next weekend I got really excited and thought it was this weekend And then I double checked and I was like, nope, I am ahead of myself got another week to wait at least but um, yeah It’s gonna be exciting to see him whether Max is able to get is a fourth champion.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: [00:16:00] Yeah He’s really fast and got Just huge experience in racing and sim racing as well. And, uh, I’m pretty sure he’s definitely deserved this, uh, to win this championship. Uh, speaking about London Norris, I really like him as a person. I think he’s really good and open. Um, So in, uh, alongside with it, uh, awesome driver as well.

Um, so this season, definitely more interesting, uh, didn’t really follow it. Uh, but because my community watching some races, uh, they just share some news with me, uh, all the time. So, yeah, it’s, uh, actually, uh, I’m so happy to see, you know, different people winning races right now in different teams and it’s cool to see.

Because it was a little bit boring when it was all the way Red Bull or the all the way the Mercedes, at least for me.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: No, I’m with you. I agree with you. It got a little bit boring when it was just kind of the same winner and there wasn’t that much Excitement but the last kind of [00:17:00] races, I think probably the last kind of 8 10 races We’ve had has been really exciting because there’s always someone new Um, like last race with, um, Alpine getting kind of two podiums, which was fantastic to see as well.

So yeah, it’s, it’s nice to see the change up, which is always good. So definitely excited to see what next year is going to hold.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, exactly. Um, you mentioned that you’re living, uh, really close to Silverstone. Did you visit any in real life? Uh, racing events here, maybe Formula 1, maybe GT3’s Global Challenge, something like this.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Yep, so I did the F1, didn’t do it this year, but did it last year, so yeah, great event to kind of go to. Um, yeah, I kind of love the atmosphere, kind of meet loads of different people as well, so yeah. Generally, if there is an event, kind of, car related and we’re able to go to, I’m always happy to kind of go there.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: What will be your, um, your series to go with, uh, do you prefer formulas over GT [00:18:00] cars or do you like GT cars as well?

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Um, don’t mind GT cars at all. Um, I think it for me, the cars are nice, but I think also it goes down to the driver. So, um, I was lucky enough to be coached by a lady called a Gabby or quick Gabby.

And this weekend she is racing in the Indian premier leagues. It’s the last round of the racing there. So, um, she’s been doing really, really well out there. So, um, it’s nice to kind of see. Those different cars, but also for me, it’s about kind of the driver and what they bring to it as well So yeah, I know I know some people will say no It’s all about the cars and all of that But I think it’s also the person who drives the car in the way in which they drive it

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Exactly.

I absolutely agree with you uh, that’s about the driver not about the car because I’m a big fan of valentino rossi and he was driving in the moto gp. Now. He jumped into g3s driving You know Quite fast here as well. And it’s always [00:19:00] a really cool thing when you see, uh, you know, drivers switching from different categories and they still got great pace.

Uh, they fast and, uh, that, that really show the real skills of them. And it’s, uh, it’s amazing.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: No, I’m with you. We were, we were lucky enough to, um, the racing down at Brands hatch, um, Rossi was there racing, um, with the kind of GT three cars. So we were able to kind of. Be there. That was the kind of headline racing and the brick car endurance brick car and championship was able to actually race out there as well, which was pretty cool.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah. And, uh, quick Gabby, I know her from, uh, Twitch streams. Uh, so we met each other in the racing, uh, from time to time. I’m so happy to see that, uh, she returned back to in real life racing because she really wanted to do this. And that’s awesome. When you, um, you know, highlight somewhere and you got opportunity to jump back back into real.

Live racing, uh, because it’s crazy [00:20:00] expensive. Definitely. Uh, I did it in the past and, uh, I was driving the open wheelers and fortunately lost the financial, um, part. Uh, so my team just completely shut down the program here in Kazakhstan. Um, But, you know, like, uh, I really like that I switched to simracing and now I’m in it and got great community and everybody supporting me and, uh, that’s awesome that you, you know, can kind of, uh, stop something, then start it again somewhere in the future.

And here’s always, uh, opportunities and, uh, different possibilities as well.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Yeah, exactly that. Like, just because something stops somewhere doesn’t mean that’s the end of the road. I mean, you know. Quick Gabby, she’s doing fantastic. Like she’s one of the drivers for the Jaguar E Type as well, I believe. So it’s amazing to kind of see that.

So she’s kind of going on the lines of like Abbey Pulling as well. Um, Abbey Powell as well. Um, I believe. [00:21:00] There’s a few others as well actually. So I think you’ve got, you’ve got some of the, the drivers at the moment who are racing under McLaren as well.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: So

Anji Silva-Vadgama: it’s, it’s nice to see. Yeah.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Um, how do you feel about, uh, female and, uh, male dominated sports?

Uh, do you feel that, uh, we already a part of this world or we, uh, have to inspire more, uh, girls to get into the racing and sim racing as well? Yeah.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Always inspire more. I mean, the championship that Asha was in this year, I believe she was the only girl in the championship. So it’s still kind of showing you that there isn’t enough female.

Yes, we’ve got kind of female like championships happening, happening like F1 Academy as well. Um, but it still needs more, still, still need more, more in there. So everything at the moment is still very male dominated. When you go to, I guess, race days, race events, you will generally see probably 80 to 90 percent males and then a few more [00:22:00] females.

So even with our team, it’s me and Oshara who are the only females at the moment. Yes, I’ve taken a step back. I’m not racing. So she’s the only female driver that we have for Team Brat at the moment. So it goes to show out of, I think there’s eight, eight drivers, well, eight, nine drivers. Only one of them is female.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, I think that’s, uh, we really need to You know, with, uh, our examples, we can show, uh, other girls that, like, they can go to racing, they can go to simracing, and, uh, Uh, just, uh, you know, feel welcome here, and, uh, this is what Ineed Esports doing also, and, um, That’s great, so actually I can see that we got more girls right now in simracing, and in racing also, and, uh, Girls also work in motorsports industry, which is, uh, which is great.

So I can, I can tell that, uh, you know, five, six years ago, uh, we didn’t have a lot of, uh, girls in industry right now. Um, so we, we getting, [00:23:00] uh, gaining a little bit more girls and that’s, uh, good to see. Yeah,

Anji Silva-Vadgama: definitely. I mean, we’re getting there. Slowly but surely, we’re getting there.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah. How do you feel, uh, to be a girl in, in this, in this racing, in this sport?

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Um, that doesn’t really bother me, actually, in all honesty. I mean, I probably dress as a, as a bloke most of the time anyway, so it’s alright. Um, I mean, I kind of see it as my, kind of, I guess, my, my power being the, kind of, one of the few only females out there as well. Um, but I kind of see it as an honour as well.

Because there’s a reason why I’m doing it and hopefully by more individuals seeing that there are girls in this field It’s gonna open that door for other other girls to actually jump on board as well So yeah, don’t be shy just kind of jump in jump in headfirst as they say

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s true [00:24:00] As you in the team with your wife, uh, can you tell me more?

Uh, Where did you meet each other? And how was it and how was it to be? Uh with the two drivers in one, uh family

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Sure. Uh, so I I met her, um through one of our have been Her friend was actually looking for her, um, so we kind of met, um, online and then we started chatting, um, and then we both just kind of clicked and been together for about nine years now and married six.

So, um, yeah, we’ve been together a long time. Um, as for having two drivers, she’s definitely more competitive than me, but she is, I will say it, hands down, she is the BART far better driver. And she knows that to be fair. Um, she’s got um, ADHD and she’s autistic as well. So that is kind of her superpower. So she’s able to kind of calculate things much more in advance, whereas I’m still working on the first corner and she’s already on the fifth or sixth in her head.

So, um, [00:25:00] yeah, but, um, it’s, it’s great fun. And we kind of bounce off each other. And I know when she just started, uh, actually driving the race car, it was really nice for me to give her pointers on kind of some of some of the track and say, Oh, yeah, okay, this is what I’ve learned. This is what you’ve got to do here.

We’ve got to do this on that. It was really nice to actually pass that information on to her. And now she’s like, Yep, I know what I’m doing. You don’t need to tell me. I was like, Okay, that’s cool. You enjoy. So yeah, I mean, still a little bit of competitiveness, but I’m just really proud of her and everything that she’s done.

And I’m excited to see what 2025 holds for her.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s great. Um, you know, I got a husband and he’s also, uh, into sim racing and we usually also share our experience with each other and trying to work on labs together. And it’s really cool to have a partner next to you who can help you anytime. And, uh, just, uh, you kind of can see the corners in different way.

[00:26:00] And it’s, it’s really cool opportunity.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: No, I’m with you. Kind of work with each other and learn from each other as well. That’s that’s one of the things that the drivers do as well. So like with each car, each driver has a driver pairing and normally you’ll find is that where one driver is struggling, the other driver can kind of conquer that bit.

So they kind of work with each other and it’s really nice to see. So yeah.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, outside of the racing, uh, What do you like to do? Like on your weekends, uh, with your wife, maybe you would, uh, you like to go somewhere or something?

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Um, we normally generally just chill. We’ve got two dogs, so, um, we normally just kind of chill with them or kind of chill with family as well.

Uh, brother in law just had a little girl, so, um, it’s nice to actually spend time with the family and watch her grow as well. Um, which is always nice. Um, but we’re normally just very chilled. We’re busy working Monday to Friday. So sometimes on the weekends, you just want to just relax. Um, if there are some fun kind of [00:27:00] events happening, so maybe we’ll go to like a car show.

Um, the weather’s nice. It’s always fun to go to a car show when you’ve got good weather. Um, yeah, we’ll maybe do something like that.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: What kind of dogs do you have?

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Um, so we’ve got two, we’ve got two Chow Chow crosses. So one is three quarters Chow Chow and the other is half Chow Chow. So I’ve got Nala, who is going to be four in two weeks time.

And we’ve got Cody, who is two and a half years old. So they are auntie and nephew, but brother and sister.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s awesome. I got also dog, uh, that’s a Sheltie, Shetland sheepdog. She’s really cute. She’s super active, uh, we’re doing some agility with her, uh, so running together and, uh, also doing some nose work, uh, where she’s finding, uh, smells and everything.

It’s really fun, that’s my first dog and, uh, she definitely, you know, teach me a lot of things and open, uh, like, my mind to a lot of things in this world. It’s, it’s really, really [00:28:00] cool and she’s so cute.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: No, I’m with you. It makes it so much more, I guess, rewarding when you can kind of see them enjoying the time that you kind of spend with them as well.

Like, I love it. Like, literally, probably about an hour ago, just trying to go upstairs, trying to get stuff ready. And they were like, no, where are you going? And I’m like, like talking back and I’m like, guys, come on now. I was like, you need to just chill for a little bit. My plan was to bring them up, but yeah, they both like to jump in front of the, front of the screen.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s awesome. Yeah, they, uh, you know, dogs really enjoy this life and, uh, they super positive about all things. Oh, you with me, we’re going for a walk. That’s great. Yeah, it’s like, oh,

Anji Silva-Vadgama: what am I getting? You’ve got a treat. Oh, you’re cutting vegetables. Let me have some. Yeah, always there.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s awesome. Um, What can you suggest to people who, um, want to get into racing?

What will be your advice for them? [00:29:00] Um, so

Anji Silva-Vadgama: don’t hold back, um, always ask questions, always kind of meet people, um, I know like in the UK, I believe it’s probably around this time, or maybe even next week, so around kind of the mid to late November time, um, I believe I think Silverstone holds it, where there’s different championships, different cars, and you’re able to actually, you know, Go and see them, get a feel for it, meet other team members, see other cars and people, and just kind of see what’s out there as well.

Always, I guess, connect with people, and I know I can say this for Team Brick, we’re very open, we’re very friendly. If anyone wants to have a chat with us, or they see us at a kind of race event, like, we’re always welcome. So, we’re a big family. So, um, yeah, just don’t be shy, reach out.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s, uh, great advice.

Uh, we, we’ve been talking about, uh, this, uh, on other in the talks, uh, that sim racing community and Twitch community are really, uh, open and welcoming all the time [00:30:00] to newcomers. So people like trying to help you, trying to guide you, uh, for your journey into sim racing. And, um, so do you see that the same thing happening in real life racing?

Because unfortunately, when I race in, uh, open wheelers, I think it’s a bit different from GT cars. So, uh, I didn’t get a lot of, um, you know, welcoming people around me. They, uh, they all been, uh, really like competitive to focus on their self. Yeah. Really close. Yeah. Uh, do you see this also, uh, in GT community or not?

So.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: I wasn’t part of the, so I only went to a GT race, I believe, like one or two races. So it wasn’t really there for in the paddock and stuff, but, um, I haven’t seen any, anything negative kind of within that. Um, I know in like the smaller championships, everyone is always very welcoming as well. So I know, I think, I think it was, uh, I think in the garage next door to us, [00:31:00] one of their tools broke and they asked if they could borrow one of ours and our mechanics were like, yep, go for it.

So everyone was very friendly, very open and stuff as well. So I think it also goes down to which championships you go to as well. Um, certain ones are probably more not as open. Um, so you’re not able to kind of get into the pits and stuff. Uh, but I would always say, always try and all you can do is ask.

And if someone says no, there’s always next time as well.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s true. Uh, all the time, like you, uh, you get no, uh, here’s opportunities that you’re going to get yes from someone else, uh, because, you know, actually, uh, most of the people, they’re really open, they’re really kind, and they’re happy to help you, uh, especially if you got, if they got a really big experience in racing, uh, or in some racing as well, um, yeah, they’re trying to help you if you’re new here.

No, I’m with you. Yeah, um, so [00:32:00] Can you tell me, uh, what do you enjoy the most about racing and, uh, do you like endurances or sprint races more?

Anji Silva-Vadgama: So for me, one of the things I kind of enjoy about racing, I think it goes down to, I guess, the team that you’re part of as well. Um, I said earlier, Team Brett is a big family, so it’s always a kind of enjoyable event.

Um, all the drivers kind of get on with each other, all the management as well. So it’s nice to kind of just, you see everyone. Um, when it comes to racing, I think it goes down to, I guess, which car you’re driving. Um, I enjoy actually watching both racing, to be fair, because in a sprint race, normally, you can kind of tell who’s going to win earlier on in the race.

Um, unless there’s a, there’s a blowout or a puncture and then it kind of delays it. Whereas in endurance, you just don’t know because the car has to run for such a longer time. You just don’t know that car’s going to make it or what’s going to happen in the meantime as well. So I think they’re [00:33:00] both different within themselves.

So I’m, I’m lucky enough to be able to kind of witness both, um, on a race weekend, which is always fun.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: I think endurance racing is, uh, really special. So that like whole team working on the strategies and how to, uh, count the fuel, count the steams for the drivers. And, uh, yeah, also, uh, make some repairs, uh, faster.

Uh, so from my side, I think that endurance races, they a bit more fun for me. So I really like to do them in sim racing also, uh, but spring races, uh, just, uh, give you kind of different mindset. Uh, so you, you have to start, you have to really push, push the car out of the limits and, um, um, just go as fast as you can.

Endurance, you have to think how to save the car. For other drivers to not get into the troubles and uh, it’s awesome that we got different Type of racing and uh, yeah people [00:34:00] can choose the best for them.

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Yeah. No exactly that I know with the kind of sprint races we had this year Um, sadly the the car in the first couple of races was suffering with a boost leak So, um, it was always a very quick kind of repair when it was, uh, driven driver change and the mechanics did great to kind of get that issue fixed and for us to actually finish the race and also get podiums as well, which is always good to see.

Um, and like you said, it’s, it’s not just about the drivers. It’s also about the mechanics and all the team as well. The whole team is involved on there. So you’ve got to make sure that if you’re only going out with a full tank, you’ve got to make sure that, that there is enough fuel in there for you to kind of cross the finish line as well.

Um, so yeah, it’s always a good thing. Always a nice environment to kind of see the way in which those individuals kind of work together.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, that’s, that’s absolutely true. I agree with you. Um, can you tell me what’s your, uh, what’s your plans for the future in racing? Uh, would you like to jump into a car again?

And what series it will be, [00:35:00] uh, for you?

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Um, so I think if I do jump back in the car, I’ll definitely be with kind of team Brit. Um, future wise, I’m not sure if I see that happening, um, in the next kind of few years. And we’re, we’re kind of going through kind of fertility planning and adoption at the moment as well.

So for me, my focus is to kind of start a family as well. Um, I’m kind of happy to kind of be on the sidelines and kind of watch Asha kind of do what she does. Like I said, she is the far better driver. So if If it had to be between one of us, I’m, I’m just glad that it’s her doing it and she’s also able to kind of live her dream because it’s something that she, I know she always said to me that when she was younger, she said she either wants to be a race car driver or a pilot and she’s, she’s not a pilot.

So, um, she’s able to kind of be a race car driver, which is very cool.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: All right. Uh, so can you tell me 2025? For upcoming years, yeah,

Anji Silva-Vadgama: so, um still be with team brit So I [00:36:00] believe she is going to be um staying in the bmw m240i Um, not sure not entirely sure who she will be driving with I think there’s going to be announcement for that At the end of the year beginning of next year uh, but excited to kind of see what that driver pairing will be like as well and hopefully, um Get some more, um, first class podiums.

Um, no pressure Osha, but you know, we would like some more silverware. I know the team would like some more silverware. So, um, yeah. Um, if it’s going to, it’s going to be an exciting year, 2025, definitely.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, it should be great season. I hope you, uh, will get some podiums, uh, with the team breeds and, uh, As soon as possible, you’ll get to Le Mans 24, we’re going to cheer for you, uh, because that’s personally one of my favorite events, uh, so as I said before, uh, it’s awesome.

Um, so before we wrap up, uh, can you tell me what’s your motto of the life, like, uh, uh, So what do you think about that? Um,

Anji Silva-Vadgama: [00:37:00] for me, I’m generally a very kind of positive person, so I don’t let that negativity kind of hold you back. I think what I would say to people is, if there is something that is kind of digging at you, don’t let it kind of, you know, drag you into a dark hole, try and see the positive outlook on things.

Um, and we’re all here to kind of talk to as well. So if anyone ever wants to chit chat, I’m only a message away. So, um, yeah, always happy to kind of be a, be a shoulder or ear to kind of listen into. And, but yeah, just try and stay as positive as you can.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: That’s true, you know, I got kind of the same, um, thoughts in my head, so I’m trying to stay positive and, uh, try to look at things, like, in a positive way, even if something happens, uh, something bad happens, I always, uh, get, like, next opportunity, uh, next day to shine bright.

Exactly that. It’s

Anji Silva-Vadgama: [00:38:00] not the end of the world, there’s always another day.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah, so thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for this talk. I really enjoy that and wish you good luck for your future for the team breed and also Hopefully your marathon will go great and you’re going to enjoy it

Anji Silva-Vadgama: Thank you so much.

I will keep you guys updated and it’s lovely meeting you and thank you so much for having me.

Lyubov Ozeretskovskaya: Yeah. Bye bye guys. See you. Thank you so much for watching. See you later. Bye.

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Dive into the journeys of remarkable individuals making waves in sim racing and bridging the virtual with the real. From the thrill of digital circuits to the roar of real-life racetracks, they explore the passion, dedication, and innovation that drives the world of motorsports. They hear from athletes, creators, and pioneers sharing their stories, insights, and the powerful ways sim racing is connecting communities and creating pathways into motorsports.

INIT eSports focuses on sim racing events and digital tournaments. They bring eSports content to fans and sponsorship opportunities to brands, while maximizing audience reach across multiple sports, industries, and platforms. INIT eSports is a woman-led company where Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Accessibility is in their DNA, and their platform aims to combat bullying and cheating to help make the eSports world as safe and fair as possible. To learn more, be sure to logon to www.initesports.gg today or follow them on social media @initesports, join their discord, check out their YouTube Channel, or follow their live content via Twitch.

At INIT eSports, founder and CEO Stefy Bau doesn’t just settle for the ordinary. She creates extraordinary experiences by producing thrilling online competitions and real-life events that transcend the boundaries of the eSports universe. And she’s here with us on Break/Fix to share her story, and help you understand why you need to get more involved in the world of eSports. 

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Finding Your Tribe: How Paul Ragsdale Built The Autoverse to Unite Petrolheads Everywhere

There’s a moment in every car lover’s life when they ask, “Am I the only one who cares this much?” For Paul Ragsdale, that question wasn’t rhetorical – it was a call to action. A lifelong enthusiast whose first word may or may not have been “Volkswagen,” Paul spent years feeling like the odd one out in his social circles. Motorsports, car culture, and the visceral thrill of combustion were passions he carried alone – until he decided to build something bigger.

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That “something” became The Autoverse: a digital-first, community-driven haven for car and motorsports enthusiasts of all stripes. From F1 fanatics to weekend autocross warriors, The Autoverse is designed to be a home away from home for anyone who’s ever felt like the lone gearhead in the room.

Paul’s journey began like many of ours – with childhood fascination, magazine subscriptions, and late-night motorsports broadcasts. He devoured issues of Car and Driver, followed Ayrton Senna’s rise, and dragged his family to events like the Paris-Dakar Rally. But access was limited, and community was elusive.

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Years later, inspired by platforms like DriveTribe and even the strange social cohesion of NFT communities, Paul realized the power of digital connection. “Somehow they’ve activated community,” he said, reflecting on the early days of The Autoverse. While the NFT angle quickly faded, the core mission remained: build a welcoming, inclusive space for car lovers – no gatekeeping allowed.

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On this episode of Break/Fix we feature Paul Ragsdale, founder of The Autoverse, which is an organization dedicated to fostering vehicle and motorsports enthusiasm. The discussion covers Paul’s lifelong passion for cars and motorsports, his inspiration from community platforms like DriveTribe, and his efforts to build a diverse and inclusive automotive community. Paul emphasizes providing accessible entry points into motorsports, such as go-karting and grassroots events, and highlights the unique challenges and joys of experiencing motorsport. The podcast also explores various membership tiers and benefits of The Autoverse, showcasing their focus on connecting enthusiasts globally and promoting collaborative experiences at events like F1 races. Paul shares personal stories and insights into the development of The Autoverse, stressing the importance of welcoming new fans and reducing gatekeeping within the community.

  • How did you get involved in Motorsports? Did you come from a racing family? What drew you in?
  • What is The Autoverse?
  • Let’s break down the basics of the organization: Events, Giveways, Membership, etc
  • The big question – Price to become a member? Perks of Membership? Partnerships, ie: Fanatec, Official F1 store
  • One of the biggest challenges that exists in Car Clubs and even in Motorsports is diversity and inclusivity; in your opinion how do we make Cars (or Racing) more inviting to people (esp. Women, people of color, etc). 
  •  What’s next for Paul and the Autoverse?

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Crew Chief Brad: [00:00:00] BreakFix podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from all over the autosphere, from wrench turners and racers to artists, authors, designers, and everything in between. Our goal is to inspire a new generation of petrolheads that wonder How did they get that job or become that person?

The road to success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.

Crew Chief Eric: There comes a point in every enthusiast life where they ask themselves, am I alone in this? Does anyone even care about all these cars? Why do I care so much about these cars? I really wish there was someone I could share all this with. It’s a dilemma that so many of us face, and our guest tonight is no exception.

He’s been a lifelong petrolhead, and always felt like he was the only person in his circles that took an interest in motorsports or in cars. Determined to make a difference, Paul Ragsdale decided to [00:01:00] found The Autoverse, an organization devoted to spreading vehicle and motorsports enthusiasm, a haven for his fellow lost tribe members.

And he’s here tonight to tell us all about its creation, evolution, and why you might consider it your new home away from home. And with that, let’s welcome Paul to BreakFix.

Paul Ragsdale: Eric, delighted to be here. I have children now, so I can’t say it’s my favorite subject, but it’s certainly one of my most favorite subjects.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, Paul, like all good BreakFix stories, there’s a superhero origin out there. So tell us about the who, what, when, and where of you. Like you mentioned in the introduction, there’s always been this interest in cars, and you realize that so many people, as you got older, shared in this hobby. And so work us up from all the little lad who liked cars going vroom vroom to where we are today.

Of

Paul Ragsdale: course, like most of us have loved cars from a fairly early age, and my mother swears my first word was Volkswagen. It certainly wasn’t, but I could pick out the Beetle when I was a toddler getting pushed around in a stroller. Definitely imprinted on that sound, [00:02:00] actually had a Beetle in college because I just had to, and then discovered that it was an absolutely terrible car to drive.

As charming as it might be, but it still made great sounds. Thanks. By that point, I was devouring car and driver primarily, but I was reading a lot of other automotive magazines as well. And I started watching every form of motorsport I could find, which included IndyCar, included M7, included NASCAR. And then I happened upon this series that was being broadcast in the middle of the night from all of these amazing places around the globe, like Japan and South Africa, and started following a young, young boy, Well, I guess not so young Brazilian driver at the time here in the Senate was absolutely hooked by that point.

I would not say it’s not my parents were against automotive passions, but they didn’t share them. And so it was really kind of hard for me to access. I discovered there was something called the sports car club of America. And I managed to drag my dad out to an autocross was happening in our local university.

I didn’t get to participate, but I, I got to meet some of the people, [00:03:00] but it was a long time before I got to do anything else like that. They did take me to a local go kart race. That was great. And we happens to be in France for New Year’s one year. I dragged them to the start of the Paris Dakar Rally. At midnight and freezing cold, which was just terrific.

But most of that time watching F1, watching rally and anything like that. Really the only source I was getting was from print magazines. And I would talk about cars. I would talk about motorsport and people would either look puzzled or like. I had said something really improper. I’m definitely one of the people who is thrilled that Drive to Survive has brought so many new fans into Formula One and into motorsport generally.

And again, those are some of the drivers, pun intended, for founding the autoverse so that people who don’t know where to find other petrolheads, where to find motorsport. Even to be able to experience it as a fan, much less to get out on a track in a go cart or shifter cart, or, you know, start doing high performance driver education.

How do you actually go down that [00:04:00] path? And so it took me a long time to get there. And I was like, I’m here. This is great. As I ever hoped, I would love more people to be able to share in that because of course I’m an extrovert and I just need more people around

Crew Chief Eric: it parallels. In a very similar way, the way we founded Grand Touring Motorsports in the early days, what we now call the clubhouse.

And so when we look back 10 years ago from today, as we celebrate our 10th anniversary this year, you know, our motto was similar to what you were saying, you know, never go to the track alone. We were a bunch of track rats, you know, starting out in HPDE with aspirations of time trials and club racing and involved in SCCA and NASA and hooked on driving and all these organizations that offer those types of services.

You started to kind of buddy up with people that had cars like yours and just like, Hey, uh, I just stripped a bolt. You have an extra one, you know? And then it gets you talking. And then suddenly it’s like, well, how do we stay in touch when the race ends? What do we do next? And that goes back to your idea of building community in the autoverse.

Paul Ragsdale: I knew I was looking for that. A lot of my [00:05:00] early professional career I was so focused on that that I really didn’t have the capacity to engage in automotive activities and a lot of car events are happening very far away. I met Dominion Raceway in our garage here was at Virginia International Raceway this morning.

Again, long distances from wherever you happen to be. But as I was. Trying to figure out how to connect folks. I think one of the inspirations for me was what was called DriveTribe. So Clarkson, you know, had formed, I thought it was a great idea, this automotive community where you could go and talk with people online, about your experiences, post your pictures.

I don’t think it ever fulfilled its promise and that’s not a criticism. And I was very sad to see it close. And so that was one of the big drivers. The other thing that was happening at the time, this was 2021, was the very strange phenomenon of NFTs, non fungible tokens. And I just remember being so mystified by it, like so many people.

There are some very interesting blockchain applications. People want to nerd out [00:06:00] about that and STEM is one of our passions, one of my personal passions, but the community that built up around Bored Apes and other things, I could not understand it. And then something just finally clicked and I realized somehow they’ve activated community.

And so that’s what we want to do. So we did have ties to NFTs in our early days, but then very, very, very quickly, we had to run and hide and never say that again if we wanted to be taken seriously in any setting. But the point was always about activating community. Finding like minded enthusiasts and most importantly, banning gatekeeping, because certainly I’ve experienced, or all of us have experienced this.

Oh, do you wrench on your car? Do you know how to do this? Do you know how to do that? It doesn’t matter what gender you are, what ethnicity, you still get those knowledge tests. And you know, that’s happening to this day. Also at the time we were woman owned, so we wanted to make sure that we were welcoming to female fans.

So new fans, female fans, and other people for whom it was difficult. And also one of the big barriers in anything automotive is. So we very deliberately have a free membership [00:07:00] tier. We do have a paid membership tier and I certainly don’t want to downplay the cool things and activations that come along with that, but it’s important for us to have a community where people can connect with one another without having to drop thousands and thousands of dollars for the experience.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, Paul. So what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? Like that’s what those questions feel like, right?

Paul Ragsdale: They do. Well, it’s like this scene in My Cousin Benny. It’s just unnecessary. One of our original ideas, concepts, I don’t know that we ever had it as a slogan, was connecting people around cars.

And people get excited about it. You go to events and little kids, boys and girls, parents, families, whatever it happens to be, get excited when they see just really beautiful machinery like this. I think people are, even if they’re, don’t have an engineering bent, they’re still very impressed by the technology.

And then of course, the art, the design represents, and then of course, there are a lot of adjacencies, like I said, for science, technology, engineering, and math education, and then of course, on ramps to motor sport. So it just, it touched on a lot of things [00:08:00] that just values we all deeply.

Crew Chief Eric: You’ve brought up the point several times already.

And I remember back when I was at PCA national and we campaigned the slogan, it’s not the cars, it’s the people. They’ve been hanging that on the entryways of every doorway at PCA forever. And other groups have picked that up as well. And it’s an interesting notion because unlike other sports, and we have to remember that motorsport is a sport like basketball or baseball, but it’s not stick and ball, right?

You’re behind the wheel. You’re still physically exerting yourself, all that. Motorsports fans are not the same as football fans. It’s a very different environment. I used to joke with my dad sometimes that it’s like the biggest collection of anti social people getting together, pretending to be social.

Really strange sometimes. But it leads into what you’re saying, but more importantly, you’re talking about the 2020 and 2021 timeframe. And I wonder, looking back, even at our founding in the mid 2010s, it was a lot easier to start a social group. You’re in the middle of COVID. How did that play out?

Paul Ragsdale: I [00:09:00] haven’t thought about it from that lens.

I will say that one of the first things that started to open up socially was track days. We were all cooped up. And here I had founded some brick and mortar automotive businesses either right before or at the very beginning of the pandemic, and then couldn’t get out and do marketing. Couldn’t meet people, couldn’t fundraise, couldn’t sell.

And then all of a sudden track started opening up because you were outdoors, you were going to socially Since it was interesting that you couldn’t have driver instructors in your own vehicle. So people had to figure out how to do things with radios and lead follow and so on. But I think there definitely was a big uptick in track day and motor sport participation.

I think mostly from people who had done it previously and found that it was one of the very few outlets that they could engage in at that time. And then, I would say COVID was probably very much in view in our concept of having a very robust digital [00:10:00] community. Again, with DriveTribe having recently had the plug pulled, certainly allowing folks to connect, want to be able to do.

F1 live streams and be able to chat with each other. And I’m amazed, like even to this day, at least on threads, if not Twitter and other social media, people are always asking, Hey, where am I F1 friends, who can I talk with about my friends think I’m a loon. There’s still a lot of people out there who I think are looking for this.

Crew Chief Eric: You mentioned drive to survive. You mentioned these new F1 fans coming up through the Senna Prost era of Formula One, like I did in the groupie era of rally and some of just the most iconic racing during those two decades there. Do you think that the new generation of Formula One fans are, I don’t want to say as passionate, as engaged as we were, or do you think they bring a new dynamic to the fandom?

Has it watered down the sport in a way? Like, I hear these arguments all the time, so I’m really interested in your perspective.

Paul Ragsdale: Viscerally, I think I push back against a lot of those ideas because they feel like the [00:11:00] same kind of gatekeeping that I experienced in Formula One. before. So first of all, I remember during a US Grand Prix a couple of years ago, I was picking up takeout and the server just came up and started talking to me about the Hamilton battle battle.

And I’m just like, what is happening? Like, why does a random person know anything about this sport? I mean, I was surprised that they actually had it playing in the restaurants, but when I’ve talked with folks and I realized that they don’t have a knowledge of knowledge yet, I’ve had to remind myself.

That they’ve got the passion and enthusiasm and I need to be one of those people who is welcoming to them. So I’ve taken a very conscious and deliberate step to try to encourage to try to welcome and just, Hey, this is great. What do you enjoy? I remember our very first brand ambassador I met at the Miami Grand Prix, someone who started binge watching drive to survive.

And then the next thing you know, she’s buying tickets to go to her first formula one race in person. And I remember asking her, I was genuinely curious. I expected I knew what her answer was going to be, but I was like, what is it that appeals to you about Formula 1? And she said, the technology. And I [00:12:00] was just like, Oh, we should talk.

Like what? She was a high school math teacher in the Chicago area. And we began a conversation. She actually went to a couple of races for us in 2020. She’s actually now gone on and works at the Fermilab in Chicago. So obviously fulfilling some of those STEM engagement goals. And there are a lot of the same sorts of challenges, barriers to access to STEM education as there are in the automotive industry and in motorsport.

So I would say definitely seems to be, I think the same level of passion and enthusiasm. These folks are just super excited about their crop of drivers. Like I got asked the other day, who was my driver? And I’m like, it was, and always will remain Senna. I like a lot of the modern drivers, but I just, I’m not going to have a driver like that.

I don’t think ever again. But yes, I think it’s something that I do have to remind myself, and I certainly try to encourage others to be that welcoming. If someone doesn’t know what DRS is, you know, someone who doesn’t know who won the last six, [00:13:00] Singapore Grand Prix. That’s fine.

Crew Chief Eric: This is great. The more the merrier.

Knowing what you know now, looking back over your experience and as you’ve matured as a petrol head, do you find yourself having that moment? And we have a gentleman in our organization that you know it’s coming. It always starts with that sigh, but you’re just like, okay, here comes an explanation. He’s trying to espouse his knowledge to you.

Can you absorb it? So do you find yourself now, like, sort of trying to break things down for people and be like, so DRS, this is A, first of all, what it stands for, and B, this is sort of how it works. Like, are you now in that role where you’re trying to educate people?

Paul Ragsdale: In a lot of areas of my life, I have that tendency.

I was trained as an academic. I’ve had the privilege to be in some leadership roles. There have been those times, but I think With respect to motorsport fandom, there’s also just, there’s this generational thing. There are those of us who, again, like we’re raised on the center post era and I’ve got a good friend who was of our vintage, you know, we can talk about that era and about [00:14:00] Schumacher and all these things.

I think I am not that tempted to break things down. If anything, I really kind of felt the need to carry the Senate flag for a long time, and I’m like, this is all great. There was Jim Clark before him, of course. There have been other just really phenomenal drivers. I really feel, especially after the 30th anniversary celebration, or recognition this year, that modern F1 fans, way more than I would have expected, get his greatness.

Again, go back, watch. So that I will do. I’m like, get your F1 TV premium subscription, go back and watch Dunnington 93, go back and watch Portugal 85, Monaco and the lap of the gods. Yes. And I try to do it in as friendly a way as possible so that I don’t do the mansplaining that I don’t want being done to me.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, and I think that’s part of the sport though, that you have to embrace. And I’m not trying to justify it any way, but what I’m trying to get at is in football or in baseball, there’s really technical aspects to it, but then there’s the human element. You can’t talk [00:15:00] about, well, at this moment, the muscle in his arm is doing this thing.

thing. And in racing, it’s like, well, the shock absorber is under this load and this many newton meters and the tires deflecting. And there’s things that you can really geek out on at a minutia level. And so that’s where I think we get lost in the noise because there are some people that maybe their background is in science or maybe they do have a passion for aerodynamics or they come from another hobby where it relates to them.

And it’s like Well, let me explain to you how tire adhesion works. And you’re like, you can just see people’s eyeballs rolling into the back of their head, but there’s so many little facets to racing. And you mentioned this before about the young lady talking about how she was drawn into formula one because of technology.

And that brings up one of our favorite Pitstop questions, which is F1 versus WEC, who’s got the better tech?

Paul Ragsdale: One of my personal values and one of our corporate values is transparency. I don’t know enough about the tech in these two series to be able to give an intelligent answer. I, of course, was the young [00:16:00] person who was devouring car and driver and all of these things in my youth, and now I am enjoying cars in a different way, but I’m pretty much not spending that much time diving into the technical minutiae like I used to.

And one thing I wonder is I am trained as a scientist. I’ve had a technical career and my most recent W2 employment was in a very technical organization supporting the department of defense. So I definitely got my fill of the tech talks and so on, you know, in those four. Maybe that was a relief valve for me.

I’m not sure. And it could come back. And one of the things I do tend to nerd out about is tire chemistry. And winter tires, especially in this region. And I’m like, Oh no, but there are, I mean, I like, I try not to tell people you need winter tires, but I’m like, Oh, but they actually do have advantages.

They’re not just for these conditions and so on. The rubber is more pliable. And of course their eyes roll back in their head. And then I it’s like, okay, I’ll stop

Crew Chief Eric: talking. I’ll give you another pit stop question to make this question a little bit easier because it’s in the similar vein. So you’re sitting at the head of the boardroom [00:17:00] table.

You have the deciding vote and you have to choose between the Porsche 959. The Ferrari F40, which do you choose?

Paul Ragsdale: F40. When they came out, I loved both. I had posters of both on my wall and the Acura NSX, which poster I still happen to have found it in my parents basement. Certainly at the time, I think it was more blown away by the 959.

200 plus miles an hour. It wasn’t legal in the United States and so on. But that F40, especially as I’ve had the privilege of seeing several in person, just the visceral nature of that drivetrain, just the stunning bodywork. I mean, one of the most distinctive Ferraris ever. It’s way up there for me.

Crew Chief Eric: And the reason we like to bring that question up is it really parallels the difference between WEC or the 24 Hours of Le Mans or any of those endurance races versus Formula 1.

You can encapsulate Formula 1 in the F40 and you can bring all of endurance racing into the technologically more advanced 959.

Paul Ragsdale: Yeah, I just appreciate that.

Crew Chief Eric: So let’s switch gears. Let’s get back to talking a [00:18:00] little bit more about the autoverse. So let’s talk about Tell us more about what is the autoverse.

You hear a lot about, you know, the old joke back in the old days when we used to go behind the Dairy Queen and talk about our Volkswagens, you know, we started a car club and they all sort of fizzle out. People go their separate ways. Life’s changes and things like that. The autoverse. Is it a car club? Is it more than a car club?

What is it all about?

Paul Ragsdale: I have to think about it from two very different lenses. So as an enthusiast, and also just, again, as one of our core values, it is a community. It is intended to be a distributed community, meaning be able to talk to people in Australia and Italy and the UK about things that are going on.

Because This is a very niche area and whatever your, your local community happens to be, whether it’s Fairfax County or it’s in Houston, wherever you are, it’s still hard to find those pockets of people, but there’s that piece from a business perspective, you have to think of it as a media company, not unlike online magazines or our favorites.

Car and driver, road track, motor [00:19:00] trend, these sorts of things. So in terms of being able to pay the bills, we have to have partnerships to be able to create and bring value to our community. And then we have to be able to demonstrate that value to advertisers. It’s a journey. I’ll just say that right now, but In terms of the types of things that we do, the other companies I was involved with before, and I still am, we were doing a lot of event based marketing, started seeing, you know, there was just a lot of enthusiasm around vehicles generally.

Why don’t we try to tap into that, connect people directly. So connect people around cars, and that is mainly through, local events. So participation in things certainly here in the D. C. Area. We’re regulars at Katie’s cars and coffee. And because of my own passion for track driving, try to get out to track days.

That’s actually exactly why we sponsored the D. C. Sports car club of America last year, specifically the mid Atlantic road racing series, where we had actually competed in 2022 through another business. But we wanted more people to be aware of that. It’s like, you know, Hey, you can drive an hour and there’s serious competitive motorsport happening.

[00:20:00] And Oh, by the way, there are these high performance driving events. You can get involved and wanted folks to understand how they could access that. We try to have again, free public events so that we can use that as a basis of helping people figure out, okay, how do you go to a formula one race? Where do you want to sit, you know, when you go to Miami or to Kodak?

Because this came up recently. Where are places that you should or should not stay in Milan? One of our local creative partners told us that we were not staying where we should stay, and we should get a different hotel. Super helpful. And there are other communities that do things like this, and we’re connected with some of them as well.

Um, there are like travel services specifically for going to F1 races, you know, some that focus on groups of women and so on. So find venues that either already exist or that we can organize ourselves. Cause we have hosted our own cars and coffees planning to do more of that as well. We’re at a point right now where we are participating in more events that are hosted by others.

But now that we have our own physical space here in the DC area, just outside Fredericksburg at Dominion Raceway, we will be able to [00:21:00] use this footprint for, you know, social events as well, and then planning to replicate the same kinds of capabilities in Houston. So focusing very local, but then also connecting to it’s like, Oh, okay.

You want to go to the Amelia Island Concord? This is what it looks like. Oh, and we’ll probably be there. Hey, let’s meet up. And then the same thing with, you know, Montreal and so on. So we’ve had creator partners at seven F1 races this year, and then we’ve done a number of track days. And so we’re looking at that as a core of being able to provide that community.

So it’s like, okay, you feel like you must go to Monza or Spa. Well, you know, here are people you can meet up with. They’re newer to the sport or actually maybe they’re not. And, you know, maybe they’re, you know, happy to share some of their experiences going to these races or participating in HPD events, whatever it needs to be.

Crew Chief Eric: So in a lot of communities or clubs, there’s an organization or a matrix or some sort of way it’s structured. Is the autoverse? a flat organization? Are there board members? Is there a way for people to volunteer when they become a member? [00:22:00] Like, how does the structure of the community work?

Paul Ragsdale: I

Crew Chief Eric: wish

Paul Ragsdale: it were big enough to have structure.

Hopefully Sunday, I think one of the good lessons that we observed From NFTs and those sorts of communities is I really was captivated by the idea of being creator led. So over the last year, I’ve worked on identifying like minded creators, because these are the folks who are creating all of our creator partners happen to be women.

We didn’t set it out for that to be the case for whatever reason, the creators who were working in the space, you know, where we have interest and have reached out to us, or we reached out to have all been women, we’ve certainly reached out to, you know, some male partners as well. Those haven’t come to fruition for some reason or another, but in terms of structure, I would say a lot of it is conceptual and something that we’re working to build.

Crew Chief Eric: There’s other components to the autoverse. And as I was perusing the website and looking at the magazine, you also have the garages, you have events, which you’ve talked about. But you also have some giveaways in there, you know, Formula One tickets. There’s all these different [00:23:00] things that you guys are promoting on social media.

How does that work and which part of the membership tier does that get allocated to you? How does all this work?

Paul Ragsdale: The giveaways, I mean, one, they’re obviously to drive brand awareness, but then also we just want more people to be able to experience F1. F1 has a monstrous financial barrier to entry. General admission pass to, you know, Miami or Dakota can be pushing a thousand dollars for one person for three days.

So something that, you know, I’ve just wanted more people to experience. I wish I could send lots and lots more people to F1 races. So we really enjoy doing that. And we enjoy meeting again, new fans, younger fans are coming in. So yeah, those are posted on social media. They’re available to anyone. And so we have specific giveaways site.

on our website. So we are the autoverse. io. We have recently gotten the autoverse. com domain. So we’re looking to transition to that in the new year, which will be fantastic. But right now the autoverse. io slash giveaways, you could see what we have running. We are also posting at happy hour. And I think there will be some other meetups.

[00:24:00] So definitely folks who are in Austin,

Crew Chief Eric: please reach out to us. We talked about the barrier to entry, which, you know, has gotten significantly worse in terms of like the ticket prices and all those kinds of things as Formula One has grown globally. Have you started to maybe look at other racing disciplines?

And I bring up IMSA as one of them here in the United States, because it’s still relatively inexpensive, but also it doesn’t have that at arm’s length to the fans. Like NASCAR can have, or Formula One can have, where you can still get down in the pits. Paddock passes are really cheap. You can talk to drivers.

You can talk to engineers, can be there in the action. So have you given any thought to other racing disciplines like IMSA or WEC, which also runs in Austin?

Paul Ragsdale: We very much have. In fact, I’ve been a club member at Virginia International Raceway for the last few years, mainly because of the opportunity to participate in their track days.

But they also have. privileges for members to go to the Michelin GT race or whatever the race is having to be. For folks like us, [00:25:00] that is like three of the best days you can possibly have. First of all, it’s multiple series racing over the course of three days. You can walk the entire complex. From Roller Coaster to NASCAR Bend to Oak Tree, soak it all up, hang out with other people who are like minded, and then yeah, walk the grid, talk to the teams, the drivers, the mechanics, some of the people you follow on social media.

I have had the dickens of a time getting people actually to come. Like, I literally can’t give away tickets.

Crew Chief Eric: Do you think it’s because endurance races are too long, but then the whole Catch 22 there is that they’re supposed to be long and Formula One and even now NASCAR with their new format is more digestible because it’s designed for TV.

I mean, Formula One races were never longer than 90 minutes, but it’s like a soccer match, right? It’s 90 minutes and it’s over versus man, six hours of the Glen, 12 hours of Seabrook, 24 hours of Le Mans. It’s all day.

Paul Ragsdale: That could be. For me, it’s also conflated with geography. It is extremely difficult to get people from Northern Virginia [00:26:00] to go to Virginia International Raceway.

And I had this conversation with a friend just the other day, we were talking about track driving, you know, people were like, Oh, Summit is Dominion. Obviously I’m a fan of Dominion, not least because of the access to the track. And of course, beautiful complex they built here at Dominion Lux. But when I was like, Oh, so you can go to one of these tracks with 10 turns.

This is, these are the kinds of speeds that you can do, or you can go to this like great, big historic track and it’s just an immediate, Oh, VIR is too far. And the same thing with the Michelin GT races. So I love Watkins Glen and Road Atlanta and places like that. They’re very far apart and far away from population centers.

To me, at least for the kinds of activities that we’ve done more grassroots, the geographic distances, the time, being able to get off work, etc., have been the biggest barriers to participation. Where I probably see the most unmet demand, at least among our creator partners, There’s a big bias. They’re European, they’re Australian.

We have a small number who are in North America. There’s a ton of enthusiasm around MotoGP. [00:27:00] And, you know, at one point in our history, we declared ourselves to be wholly focused on, it’s not just cars. You know, we like trucks and other things like that too. But our current tagline is four wheels more fun.

So we don’t do bikes. So we can’t quite connect to that MotoGP enthusiasm and fan base. I do think the digestibility is a really interesting point. About F1. And I remember when I went to my first race, which was at Coda in 2012, like I’d spent so many years watching the practice sessions, watching the qualifying sessions, and then watching the race itself and then did all of that in person.

And then I found like, basically it seemed like the race started and then it was over. It was like, wow, that was so quick. Like that was two

Crew Chief Eric: hours. Can’t be. That’d be worse. It could be rally. And it’s like a cricket match where it takes all week to get through it all. Right. Let’s get back to membership a little bit here.

So you’ve got a free tier and you’ve got a premium tier. What are some of the

Paul Ragsdale: perks? We say with our free tier, people get access to news events and special offers from our partners. We are affiliate partners of a number of fantastic brands. Those [00:28:00] include Fanatec, who recently been acquired, you know, still putting out amazing hardware under their new ownership.

The official F1 store and then Tire Rack and a number of other providers including NordVPN. I think an excellent service if you are thinking about, you know, security from hackers, ransomware, and all these other sorts of things. Again, we want to make as much available to our members. And we don’t consider people subscribers, we consider them members because we want people to participate and again, be able to engage.

Where the paid tier comes in, we’ve given a lot of thought to this because we want Value to be available to everyone, but there are sometimes experiences, call them exclusive, whatever it happens to be that not everybody’s going to be able to participate in. You know, I guess it’d be kind of the equivalent of, you can go to a Formula One race where you can get a paddock pass or you can get one of the team suites.

There are access to travel arrangements to behind the scenes conversations with motorsport teams and drivers to track days, and then the other thing is. We also offer a number of discounts from our brick and mortar automobile [00:29:00] partners. So things like detailing, paint protection, vehicle, shipping, and transportation, and our car buying service.

And I will plug the car buying service that when you work with most car buying services, you realize it’s a program to feed you to a dealership. And then you still have to do all the work, especially with the finance manager. But this one instead takes the consumers. Requirements and goes out and find some vehicles and helps them get the best deal on them.

What’s the cost

Crew Chief Eric: Delta from free to premium?

Paul Ragsdale: Right now it’s 333. That includes monthly meetups. We do road rallies. Obviously those are going to be focused on Washington, DC and the Houston area. We organize socials at F1 events. We’ve done Miami before, and like I said, we’re going to be hosting a happy hour in downtown Austin.

Come hang out with the Autoverse and nerd out about F1 or learn about new things. Or just talk to cool people. Vegas baby, Vegas. What about that? Yeah, we have found Vegas to be perceived as very inaccessible because of the price point for the [00:30:00] tickets and the experiences and the hotels. So I thought we were going to have massive interest last year.

And then we did it. So I know very few people who went to the race. Yeah. No one in our community that drives our own participation. If we don’t have a large group of people that are going to be there, then we’re going to invest our time and energy in other places. Kota is a special place in my heart. I family from Texas.

I live there now. And so there’s a lot that we can showcase while we’re there. We have a little bit of home field advantage in terms of restaurants, experiences, drives, able to show off some fun stuff. I mean, it’s by Daniel Ricardo, but in Texas, there’s a lot to enjoy.

Crew Chief Eric: So another Pit Stop question before we move into our final segment.

So Paul, you’ve been to a lot of races, you’ve traveled the world, you’ve raced on some tracks all over the place. If you had to pick a favorite, which one is it? And if there’s a bucket list track, which is it and what

Paul Ragsdale: car? Oh, great question. So favorite track has to be the IR. I’ve definitely not driven on as many tracks as I would like.

I have bucket list tracks I [00:31:00] want to drive. I’ve been to Watkins Glen, our team raced there. I’ve not had the privilege of driving it yet. I was actually supposed to be at the Monticello Motor Club yesterday for a track day, but then Motor Week was here doing interviews about the garage development. So we had a really fantastic time with a number of the other garage owners.

And we actually got to do an informal track day that they could get. some footage. So that, so that was fantastic. Bucket list track, without a doubt, Spa Francorchamps. So I’ve always wanted to drive there. And we actually were connected with the folks at RSR Spa and would love to put on a track day for fellow petrolheads like ourselves.

And the great packages, obviously the great organization where the autoverse comes in is RSR Spa handles Absolutely everything at the track. We help you get there. The flights, the local accommodations, and those sorts of things to, again, make it more accessible. So now you’re dealing with a language barrier, you’re in a new place, you know, how do you get ground transportation to no one?

So we figure all those out. In terms of what I would want to drive, the car that I selected, um, that [00:32:00] I would like to drive there, if I could, it’s in their current inventory, but it is the Boxster RS Spider. High revving, naturally aspirated Porsche with an open top format. For track driving, you can’t beat coupes.

They’re fantastic. But just in terms of visceral experience of a vehicle, the open top or even just with the canvas up brings so much more. That’s what I love.

Crew Chief Eric: What people aren’t seeing unless they’re watching this on the Patreon behind the scenes view is behind you is a Lotus. Tell us a little bit about the car, the story behind the car, why it’s in your garage.

But I also want to follow that up with the final pit stop question. One of our favorites, okay. The sexiest car of all time. Oh,

Paul Ragsdale: interesting. Okay.

Crew Chief Eric: Cause it’s a

Paul Ragsdale: beautiful car. Don’t get me wrong. Oh, absolutely. I definitely have a most beautiful car of all time, which I can throw out in a bit, but yeah, this car, so as a petrol head, I mean, obviously there are certain brands that are going to appeal.

Of course, there’s Porsches, Ferrari, Lamborghini, but then, you know, in terms of, you know, actually getting to start to. Own and drive some of these vehicles. You know, some of them are more accessible than others [00:33:00] and Lotus, just because there are relatively few dealerships in the U S it’s just been one.

That’s always been kind of remote for me. There have been a few occasions when I’ve looked at buying a Lotus and then I realized just how very far away, like there were times when the closest dealerships were like New Jersey or North Carolina, in fact, actually got this one from flow Lotus in Winston Salem.

And somebody was asking me about how is it to drive on the road? I said, well, I drove it five hours. From Winston Salem to DC when I picked it up and I was perfectly comfortable, which I cannot say in a lot of other cars I’ve owned. Yeah, it’s magnificent. And then, yeah, so Lotus has a mystique around it that very few other brands have in terms of its commitment to the driving experience.

And not to say that there aren’t fantastic machines made by other brands. There certainly are. But Lotus has always, I think, really dug in and made that their space. Mid engine, rear drive. They’ve been doing that for a long time. And then chassis tuning. And then their one of the very last holdouts with hydraulic steerings.

The steering feel of this [00:34:00] car is sublime. Those are big drivers. And then my hero once drove for Lotus. It’s definitely just a really nice tie in association as well. You need a John Player special livery on that thing, you know? We’ve thought about it. Probably going to get an autoverse livery before anything.

One of our partner companies is a detailing and wrap shop. We’re able to do those things both for street cars for protection purposes, but also liveries for race cars. In fact, we have a car racing at VIR at the Sports Car Vintage Racing Association.

Crew Chief Eric: So the Amira is the most beautiful car in your garage right now.

It is. But is it the most beautiful car of all time? For me,

Paul Ragsdale: the most

Crew Chief Eric: beautiful

Paul Ragsdale: car of all time is the Ferrari 250 GT short wheelbase. And it’s one of those things where it’s nice to get validation. Like, I was flipping through a car book one time and I was like, what is that car? I have to know what this is.

And I’m like, that’s my car. I had no idea how valuable these cars were. But again, it just speaks to you in a particular way. And I think there are a lot of lists that would name that the most beautiful car, certainly of the 20th century. So I’m not alone in that choice.

Crew Chief Eric: [00:35:00] Motorsports, car clubs, vehicle enthusiasm, it’s faced with all sorts of challenges.

We talked about some earlier, but I think one of the biggest ones that we’re faced with, it’s a harsh reality. We have to do a lot of introspection into this topic, which is, how do we make clubs, Racing the paddock itself, more diverse and more inclusive. And we need to make it more inviting, especially for women and people of color and all this.

So you highlighted some things that you’re doing in the autoverse, but if you were king for a day, how could we make racing and the vehicle enthusiast world better and more open?

Paul Ragsdale: And I’ve thought about this a lot as a scientist and, you know, being in STEM workforces, which are, there are a lot of underrepresented groups.

women, ethnic minorities, etc. One of the things that I have, I’m saying this is white male, middle aged white male. I think where I have seen the most camaraderie and welcome is organizations that are already [00:36:00] diverse. Like when you already have folks you can identify with in the paddock, it’s so much easier to connect.

And obviously, again, we have to literally have to keep the lights on. So we have to have revenue streams, whether they’re from advertising, Or for providing services through paint protection or arrive and drive racing services, driver coaching, vehicle transport, those sorts of things. We’ve been actually talking a lot about go karting.

We’ve thought a lot about sim racing, we’ve thought a lot about go karting because they have lower price points. And so, yeah, I’m really thankful to be able to drive this car and it’s magnificent on track. And on the road as well, but there are also, there are so many other cars that you can actually get out and experience.

And I would definitely not recommend something like this for regular track duty for all the reasons that are certainly going to be screamingly obvious in terms of risk to the vehicle and you’re going to make mistakes during your development. So I had some good advice on those points coming up myself.

But in terms of accessibility, we want to be able to provide pathways for people to get [00:37:00] engaged and not have to travel 45 or 50 minutes to be part of a sim league. Or in the case of carding, we have for a long time wanted to become, you know, more active and see some opportunities, especially now that we’re here at Dominion.

Providing some opportunities for people to get into a rental track cars, because I think one of the biggest barrier when people come to me and they want to know about doing a track day is they get interested in it, but then they start thinking about driving that car on a track and the risk that they may be exposing it to and even the insurance options that they have available to them.

I mean, it’s still damage to their car and potentially. Terminal damage to their car. So vehicle rental seems to be an area of demand that we’re actually looking to meet next year with, I would say, vehicles that are friendlier to a new track driver. Think about Golf GTI or an R, think about a GR 86, something like that.

You don’t simply jump into a vehicle like this and go out on your track day, much less, you know, an open way race car, but for the people who want to be able to do those sorts of [00:38:00] things, we want to be able to provide a defined pathway. And we do think that there’s more, we’re seeing unmet demand in the area and I think Dominion would be a fantastic place to do that.

So we’re hoping to have some exciting new things. along those lines in early 2025 and see more cars running around on track in the autoverse.

Crew Chief Eric: You opened the door to allow me to ask you, so what’s next, Paul? You mentioned a couple things. What’s next for you? Are you checking some things off your list and other things that might be going on at the autoverse?

Some exciting other news that you can share? The biggest

Paul Ragsdale: news is we have our first So we have this wonderful garage condo. You can’t see the whole thing here at Dominion Lux Complex at Dominion Raceway. We previously had a space at the Virginia International Raceway, just wonderful, great community, still part of the VIR club.

But in terms of accessibility for folks, especially in Northern Virginia, it’s simply too far. So this location offers a lot. I will also say it has. Let’s just say simpler zoning processes than the near suburbs at DC. We’ve had space there too. [00:39:00] I’ll just leave it at that. So in our enterprise, had a dealership previously.

Like I said, we do offer detailing, ceramic coating, paint protection, window tint, those sorts of things. So we’re going to be able to do those things here out of the garage. But because we have the garage, we’re also going to be able to do social events. Now, I realize most fans are not going to come to an F1 watch party.

An hour outside of D. C. But for those enthusiasts who are already here at an SCCA or other track event, we would love people to come over, hang out in the garage, be able to cool down, you know, on a hot day. We’ve got the air conditioning, have some refreshments. Talk about cars and then yeah, see where we can be able to do some things together, help people in their driver development path, help people into a track car, finding one for the first time.

That is a very involved process. I had help doing it and we want to help people do that as well. And would be remiss if I didn’t mention, I now live in Houston. We’re replicating a lot of these capabilities in the Houston area as well. [00:40:00] So vehicle sales and brokering, paint protection, ceramic coating. So basically the businesses that I have either founded or run cater to me.

Like I am, I am my target customer. I am the person who buys a car and immediately goes and gets paint protection film put on it. And then I’m going to go take it out to the track and do all of these sorts of things. And so those are the folks that. You know, we’re able to connect with, and then, like I said, provide excellent service as well, because again, just like with a lot of automotive services, you really don’t know what you’re getting and read reviews, but it’s much more helpful to be able to talk to people who’ve actually gotten services from that same business and you can have a lot more confidence in quality that way.

So yeah, so establishing physical spaces in Houston and the DC area where we can host people and then where we can also use as a jumping off point for track days in those areas. as well.

Crew Chief Eric: All right, paul of the episode where we l guests to share any shout anything else that you ha I mean,

Paul Ragsdale: the main thing I to be able to take away i and [00:41:00] you want to talk F1 w We can help connect that and if you want to get on track, go carts, whatever it happens to be, we can help you get there too.

Lots of great other providers like Sports Car Club of America who organize the events, but in terms of actually walking you through the knowledge and the hardware that you need, we have the capabilities and network to be able to do that.

Crew Chief Eric: The Autoverse is a community of gearheads, and thanks to Paul and his team, they live, breathe, eat, and sleep cars, and work to help you enjoy them too.

If you want to learn more about their awesome events, giveaways, and exclusive experiences, be sure to check out www. theautoverse. io or follow them on social at theautoversegroup. com. On Instagram, see for yourself, come out and join them and enjoy a curated network of providers who help you experience your vehicles to their fullest and have some ridiculous fun in the autoverse.

And with that, Paul, I can’t thank you enough for coming on break, fix, and sharing your [00:42:00] story with us and telling us all about the autoverse. I’m excited to see How you guys are growing, how you’ve grown over the years. I absolutely applaud people that are enthusiastic about motor sports and continue to promote that to other people, because it is one of those sports that if we don’t continue to perpetuate that excitement and get people involved and engaged, it will slowly die off.

And it is something to marvel. Like we talked about the technology, the artists, everything that’s involved. In vehicles, it’s more than just basic transportation. There’s a whole autoverse around these vehicles. And I applaud you for bringing that to people’s attention.

Paul Ragsdale: You know, we say we don’t like talking about ourselves, but we all do.

Right. Especially if you’re extroverted. So first of all, Eric, it’s just been, yeah, such a pleasure, obviously, to get to talk about one of my favorite topics. Appreciate all your prep and being able to get to key elements. And again, to connect with a like minded enthusiast, it is still something I’m actively working to do.

And then of course, that we want it to make available to our community. [00:43:00] So, Eric, thank you so much.

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Highlights

Skip ahead if you must… Here’s the highlights from this episode you might be most interested in and their corresponding time stamps.

  • 00:00 Introduction to BreakFix Podcast
  • 00:48 Meet Paul Ragsdale: A Lifelong Petrolhead
  • 00:56 Founding The Autoverse
    01:45 Paul’s Early Automotive Influences
  • 02:14 Discovering Motorsports and Community
  • 03:33 Challenges and Inspirations
  • 04:53 Building the Autoverse Community
  • 06:27 Navigating the Automotive World
  • 08:50 The Impact of COVID on Motorsports
  • 10:25 Engaging New Generations of Fans
  • 14:50 The Technical Side of Motorsports
  • 17:57 The Autoverse: More Than a Car Club
  • 21:43 Structure and Future of the Autoverse
  • 22:59 Social Media Promotions and Giveaways
  • 24:13 Exploring Other Racing Disciplines
  • 27:43 Membership Tiers and Perks
  • 30:38 Favorite Tracks and Bucket List
  • 34:59 Making Motorsports More Inclusive
  • 38:17 Future Plans for the Autoverse
  • 40:49 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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The Autoverse is a community of gearheads. And thanks to Paul and his team, they live, breathe, eat, and sleep cars – and work to help you enjoy them too! 

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See for yourself, come out and join them and enjoy a curated network of providers who help you experience your vehicles to their fullest, and have some ridiculous fun in The Autoverse.

If you want to learn more about their awesome events, giveaways and exclusive experiences, be sure to check out www.theautoverse.io or follow them on social @theautoversegroup on Instagram. 

One of The Autoverse’s founding principles is accessibility. Whether it’s financial, geographic, or cultural, Paul and his team are committed to lowering the barriers to entry. That means free membership tiers, events that welcome newcomers, and a zero-tolerance policy for the “airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow” style of gatekeeping.

“We wanted to make sure we were welcoming to female fans, new fans, and anyone who felt excluded,” Paul explained. “It doesn’t matter if you wrench on your car or just love the sound it makes – we’re here for you.”

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Launching a community during the pandemic wasn’t easy, but motorsports offered a unique outlet. Track days became one of the first social activities to reopen, and Paul leaned into that momentum. From lead-follow sessions to radio-based instruction, the track became a lifeline – and a proving ground for The Autoverse’s real-world ambitions.


Fandom Without Gatekeeping: Embracing the Drive to Survive Generation

Paul is quick to defend new F1 fans who found the sport through Netflix’s Drive to Survive. “They’ve got the passion and enthusiasm,” he said. “We need to be the ones who welcome them.” He shared stories of young fans drawn in by the technology, including a high school math teacher who now works at Fermilab. For Paul, that’s the dream: motorsports as a gateway to STEM, community, and lifelong passion.

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So what is The Autoverse, really? It’s part media company, part social network, part event organizer. It’s creator-led, with a growing roster of partners (many of whom are women) producing content, hosting meetups, and representing the brand at races around the world. From Katie’s Cars & Coffee in DC to Formula One races in Milan and Montreal, The Autoverse is everywhere its members want to be.

Photo courtesy Paul Ragsdale, The Autoverse

With a physical footprint at Dominion Raceway and plans to expand to Houston, the community is growing both online and off. And whether you’re looking for travel tips to Spa or just someone to talk F1 with during a live stream, The Autoverse is designed to be your pit crew.

Paul’s story is a reminder that motorsports isn’t just about lap times or horsepower – it’s about people. It’s about finding your tribe, sharing your passion, and making sure no one ever feels alone in their love for cars. Whether you’re a Senna devotee or a Verstappen newcomer, there’s a place for you in The Autoverse. As Paul puts it, “This is great. The more the merrier.”


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More Than a Race: Lyn St. James & the Women Who Dared

From the 12 Hours of Sebring to the Indianapolis 500, Lyn St. James‘ career has been a masterclass in endurance, resilience, and reinvention. But it’s her journey to the 24 Hours of Le Mans – arguably the most storied race in the world – that reveals the deeper layers of her legacy.

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In 1989, Lyn broke into Le Mans not through corporate backing, but sheer determination. Despite being under contract with Ford, she had to independently secure funding and forge connections. With help from John Gorslein and a timely sponsorship from DurAlt fuels, she joined Gordon Spice’s team in a Ford-powered Spice GTP car (cover photo).

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Her preparation was meticulous. She studied the track, absorbed advice from seasoned drivers, and leaned into her rhythm-based driving style. Le Mans, with its dual personality- long straights and technical curves – demanded both speed and strategy. Lyn delivered. Though the car retired after 16 hours due to engine failure, Lyn’s performance earned respect across the paddock. She didn’t just race – she belonged.

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In this episode of Evening with the Legend, we introduce Lyn St. James, a highly successful female race car driver known for her illustrious career in races like the 12 Hours of Sebring, the 24 Hours of Rolex, and the 24 Hours of Nürburgring. Lyn shares her journey to competing in the 24 Hours of Le Mans, detailing the challenges she faced securing a seat in 1989, the experiences of driving there, and the team’s struggles, including sponsorship, mechanical issues, and team dynamics with fellow drivers like Gordon Spice, Ray Bellum, and Wayne Taylor. Lyn reflects on her 1991 return to Le Mans with an all-female team, the inherent challenges, and the valuable lessons learned from those experiences. The discussion continues with St. James’s insights on the future of Ford at Le Mans and her involvement with Women in Motorsports North America (WMNA), an organization she co-founded to support and prepare more women for careers in motorsports. Lyn’s story is wrapped up with a tribute to her contributions to the racing world and her ongoing efforts to inspire the next generation of female racers.

  • For those that don’t know Lyn’s epic journey in Motorsports, you can return to Break/Fix Episode #142 – released on September 6th, 2022 for that; but we’re going to jump forward to the 1989 Season. 
  • Talk to us through your “Road to LeMans” … You were known for having year-by-year contracts; how did you strike the deal for a seat at Le Mans?
  • You mentioned on our previous get together, getting advice from Jim Busby (the walk down the Pocono Paddock together) and being close with Doc Bundy at that time; did they help influence your journey to LeMans?
  • What was it like going to LeMans for the first time? It has been several years since Margie Smith-Haas entered LeMans (‘84/85). Were you met with any opposition (as a woman)?
  • 1989 is a special year, because it was “the last” of the good ole days, meaning… pre chicane, pre reconstruction of the pits, pitlane, etc. Why is that important? 
  • Your teammates were: Gordon Spice, Ray Bellm, Wayne Taylor – what were they like to work/drive with?
  • One of the biggest themes that has come up with other guests on this program is “mechanical sympathy.” Would you say that’s the most important part about endurance racing? Esp. at LeMans?
  • 1991 – All female team, partnered with Desiree Wilson & Cathy Muller. Talk us through the return to LeMans? How did that come about? What had changed when you came back in 1991
  • Looking back, 1991 was also the year of the revolutionary “Mazda 787B” any thoughts on that car? 
  • Do you think despite how ‘91 ended, it opened doors or maybe laid groundwork for future teams like the Iron Dames and others to come to LeMans?
  • What do you feel is the most challenging part of driving at the 24 hours of LeMans?

Transcript

Crew Chief Brad: [00:00:00] Evening with the Legend is a series of presentations exclusive to Legends of the Famous 24 Hours of Le Mans, giving us an opportunity to bring a piece of Le Mans to you. By sharing stories and highlights of the big event, you get a chance to become part of the Legend of Le Mans, with guests from different eras of over 100 years of racing.

Crew Chief Eric: Tonight, we have an opportunity to bring a piece of Le Mans to you, sharing in the legend of Le Mans with guests from different eras of over a hundred years of racing. And as your host, I’m delighted to introduce Lynn St. James, who’s had an illustrious career and is one of the most successful female race car drivers in history.

She would take home titles in races like the 12 Hours of Sebring, the 24 Hours of Rolex, and the 24 Hours of the Nürburgring. [00:01:00] And during that time, she would attempt the 24 Hours of Le Mans twice at a pivotal time in Le Mans history. Later, in 1992, the mold wasn’t just broken, it was shattered. And at the age of 45, proving that neither gender nor age in motorsports matters, she entered the Indianapolis 500 and earned the title of Rookie of the Year.

And she’s here tonight to share her Le Mans journey with us. With you. And with that, I’m crew chief Eric from the motoring podcast network, welcoming everyone to this evening with a legend. So Lynn, welcome to the show.

Lyn St. James: Well, thank you very much. And I’m coming to you from Indianapolis. I’m from another historical race in the history of motorsports, but it’s great to be here and to talk about Le Mans.

Crew Chief Eric: To catch up on all the things I described in the introduction, if you don’t know about Lynn’s epic journey in motorsports, you can actually return to BreakFix episode number 142, which was released at On September the 6th of 2022, so you can get caught up, but we’re going to jump forward to 1989. So Lynn talk us through your road to Lamar.

You were [00:02:00] known for having year by year contracts. So how did you strike a deal for a seat at Lamar?

Lyn St. James: Wasn’t easy. It was like a dream. If someday I thought if I could even just go to Lamar and then obviously race at Lamar, and it really wasn’t part of my Ford deal at all. So in other words, it was under contract in 1988 and a few years before that, obviously, but.

In 1988, I was under contract as a racer for Ford Motor Company. Ford wasn’t doing any primary sponsorships or funding or anything at Le Mans at that time. They really had no interest in even having the conversation. I was going to have to go outside of that and do this independently. And even though I was under contract to race for them.

So a friend of mine who has been very, very instrumental actually, and helpful in my career and also many other drivers careers is John Gorslein from the Gorslein company. He handles a lot of insurance issues for race car drivers and professional athletes and high wealth individuals. He’d heard me going on and on and on about, I got to go to Le Mans.

I want to go to Le Mans. From what I know, he reached out to Gordon Spice. Gordon Spice obviously is legendary at Le Mans, legendary with [00:03:00] the Spice chassis that he has been building and competing. And so I guess he was receptive, but then the dialogue was okay. Well, where are we going to find the funding?

Well, in 1988, I actually had sponsorship from a company called DeRolt, which On my Trans Am cars and then my IMSA GT cars, interestingly enough, they were interested in not just international exposure, but international distribution. They had a fuel attitude that was very unique at the time, and they wanted to have international distribution.

And so they became very interested in wanting to sponsor and put together a package to race at Le Mans. Really, I mean, it was timing. It was. Having somebody help me to be able to reach out to the right people. And actually we put together, not only the funding to race over there, but also put together a whole activation reception and all kinds of things for DRALT for their fuels and so that they could meet the right people and, and all of that.

It was a matter of months, months and months of conversations and figuring it out. And finally, word was, yes, and we had a deal and we got [00:04:00] busy preparing all of the details that had to be worked out.

Crew Chief Eric: On our previous get together. If you jump back into that other episode, you mentioned two previous evening with a legend guests, Jim Busby and Doc Bundy, you talked about walking down the paddock together at Pocono and discussing the cars and learning from Jim and working with Doc over time.

So with their experience at Lamont, did that help draw you in? Did they help influence your journey? Did they give you any tips?

Lyn St. James: No, no, no, no. I never had a conversation with either of them about that, but knowing them and, and, you know, knowing Hulbert and Derrick Bell. And I mean, I knew these drivers that raced at Le Mans.

I mean, I followed racing as much as I did it, you know what I mean? And so I was a very aware of Le Mans and I studied and read everything. I mean, it was just interesting. Some drivers really that went there, Didn’t like it all that much. I mean, it wasn’t always on there. I mean, but it was also, if you are a professional race car driver, whether you’re Formula One, whether you’re IndyCar, whether you’re sports cars, Le Mans is on your radar.

I mean, Le Mans is one of those [00:05:00] races that at some point in time, you definitely want to do. And in fact, if you’re an engineer, if you’re a crew chief, if you’re a team owner, I mean, it is one of those. Iconic races that I think everybody wants to do, and everybody wants to go to, even as a fan. I didn’t need any encouragement.

I just needed the access and that I needed to find the financial support. And I mean, the timing turned out to be ideal, obviously coming off of having success at Daytona in 87. And I mean, my endurance racing career was starting to gain. You know, respectability at Sebring, at Daytona, at Watkins Glen. And so when you’re known to be a good endurance racer and a good teammate in an endurance race, then that helps when you are then talking to people on the other side of the pond about this opportunity.

So I didn’t really get any tips about the driving that I recall. No, the best advice I got was literally from Gordon and Ray. When I got over there, I mean, they were. incredibly helpful. You know, I had some friends, John Mecham, who had been a successful team owner at Indy, and we had [00:06:00] become very dear friends in the 80s.

He actually came over and there was like this positive energy in a circle around me that, that just really helped. I am, I’m, Such a good listener and I wean information from people, even when they don’t know that they’re actually giving the advice. So, you know, it’s just the way I operate. I mean, I’m always hungry for something that I can put into my bag of knowledge.

If I don’t have it personally, then how can I get it from somebody else?

Crew Chief Eric: Your story parallels a lot of other American drivers. Going to Lamar during this period, they’re sort of like drinking from the fire hose. First time there, I learned the track on my first outlap during practice, or I’m in a new car on a new track.

So what was it like going to Lamar? Did you have this sort of idea or illusion in your head or fantasy of what it was going to be like? Did that glass ceiling break when you got there? What was that initial experience like?

Lyn St. James: Let’s face it. We saw the movie, right? And we didn’t have simulators at all of the visuals that are available now.

First of all, it helped that I had prototype experience that I braced with the Ford Argo prototype in 84, and that I had had [00:07:00] the prototype, the GTP cars. So I had some downforce, high speed experience, but this is a long course. The other good news was that I went over there early because we had to do a lot of activation for DeWalt’s fuel, you know, so we had these parties and things and meetings that had been set up.

And so I did do a little bit of driving and. Talking to the drivers that I knew when I got over there, Brian Redmond. I mean, Brian Redmond is like an encyclopedia. I recall, I think I actually got some laps in a rental car because I remember the Porsche curves was really hard for me. And before I ever even got in the race car and to just get the timing, I’m a rhythm driver.

I really look for a rhythm and a racetrack and Le Mans is a little tough because you’ve got two racetracks. You’ve got the backside where you’ve got the long straightaway, but obviously before the chicanes and you have a more of the high speed. Corners until you get to the cake at the end of the straightaway.

And then you’ve got a real series of corners. So there’s almost like two different racetracks to me and from a rhythm standpoint. And I had a hard time with Indianapolis corner and Porsche curves. So I just broke it down bit [00:08:00] by bit. And when I was struggling, I would talk to any of the drivers that I knew that.

And I knew, unfortunately, a number of, as I said, a number of drivers that were my contemporaries, I’m going to call them, meaning they were American and they knew who the hell I was. And I would just pick their brains.

Crew Chief Eric: You talked about getting there the first time, getting oriented with the track. But what was it like culturally at Le Mans being not the first, but one of very few, especially American women to grace Le Mans, what was that like?

Were you met with any sort of opposition?

Lyn St. James: Well, you know, it’s funny because my first time out of the country was actually when I raced the 24 hours of Nurburgring, which was about a decade earlier, I did get a lot of strange. I don’t know, resistance, maybe, I mean, they called me an Amazon woman when they were interviewing me and I did get a real sense of cultural resistance and discrimination about nobody would really believe that I was doing what I was doing.

But that was 10 years before that. That was in Germany. In France, I didn’t really get that sense of an attitude about it. In the 80s, we’re talking a whole decade later, the 80s where things were starting to open up a little bit, even in [00:09:00] France. The only comparison I could make, the first time I went to the Indianapolis 500 in 1992 as a driver, the best way I’d describe that is it was like Christmas every day because every day I’d go to that track and I’m like, I am an Indianapolis Motor Speedway as a race car driver because I’d come there as a fan, but now I’m there as a race car driver.

At Le Mans, when I was there, and I hadn’t done Indy yet, this was like the highlight. This was like the top of the mountain. I am at the 24 hours of Le Mans as a race car driver. I’m not here as a tourist or as a fan or as a spectator. My feet were on the ground, but I had this sort of elevated, my sensories were just absolutely at the very top.

Which means that if there was probably a lot of stuff going on, that I was probably pretty oblivious to it. I was just so proud to be there and then so determined to learn that course and drive well. I just let a lot of stuff probably roll off me. I tend to operate that way. When I’m doing something that I really want to do and I really am committed to doing it really well, I stay so focused.

I only allow [00:10:00] things in that are going to contribute to that success. The other stuff, sometimes I don’t even hear it. It’s like, if you don’t have anything positive to say, or you don’t have anything you want to say to help me, just get out of my face, get away from me.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, we’ll put a pin in it and come back to that because this theme continues throughout your career and then your subsequent career after that, let’s go back to 1989 because it’s a special year.

And you actually alluded to this. Because it was the last of quote unquote, the good old days, meaning free chicane, pre reconstruction of the pits, pre new pit lane, all those kinds of things. Why is that important to Lamont’s history? 1989?

Lyn St. James: I didn’t know that it was all going to change. I mean, I was just there experiencing it, like watching the movie.

And I mean, it was everything authentically the way you’d always seen it. I think the thing that was the most appalling to me was when we would come down pit lane. Is how many people were in pit lane? I was used to racing over here in the U S where, I mean, you were restricted. There were a certain number of people allowed over the wall.

And you only, if you were getting ready for your car to come in the pits, that was it. I mean, the rest of the time the pits are clear and there, it just seemed like I [00:11:00] kept seeing from kneecaps down because, you know, from the prototype, it was like, I just kept seeing all these legs, you know, and these people, and I’m like, what are these people doing in the pits?

And of course the pits were narrow. And, you know, as you come out onto the track, it was pretty cowboyish, pretty old school, you know, but it’s like, okay, this is what it is, kiddo. So figure it out and make it work. It wasn’t until, you know, I left, I mean, it wasn’t until after the race and I come back to the United States and then I read about all the changes that were made.

And then of course, when I went back in 91, I didn’t even feel like I was at the same place. Huge building. I don’t even know what to call it. The structure where the pits are underneath, you know, with all of the hospitality, I guess, of meetings. I mean, it became a very stoic, harsh, cold, beautiful building.

And then of course, very professional with the pit lane. And then the way the victory stand comes out over the track. I mean, the whole thing was extraordinary. You know, the old way in 89, I mean, behind the pits where everybody walks to get to the other pits or do you have to go through to get out? It [00:12:00] was so narrow.

And I mean, it was kind of damp and kind of smelly. And I mean, it was like being in the locker room, but it was fantastic. I mean, none of that is a complaint, but I didn’t understand it until after the fact, I was really experiencing something I would know that I would never be able to experience again, you know, because it was changed.

Crew Chief Eric: What’s also important about that time is LeMans was still carrying the tradition of being one of the fastest tracks. On the planet outside of made the Nürburgring in terms of full length straightaways. And you are no stranger to doing 200 plus mile an hour at this point, but speeds down the Molson in excess of 230 miles an hour.

So what was that like in the Ford powered spice GTP? I mean, you’re in this, it’s a brand new car to you. So walk us through that.

Lyn St. James: You know, it was a brand new car. You’re right. But. The car worked, wasn’t wandering, you know, I mean, it was actually set up really well. I’m sort of numb to the numbers of speed.

I feel like it’s all relevant. And it’s just, you’re always trying to go as fast as you can. And yet I remember talking to Hurley Haywood [00:13:00] in particular saying to me, yeah, but what if a tiger goes? When you’re going 230 miles, I said, Hurley, why are you thinking about that? I mean, you know, it’s like, don’t think about that.

Speed is a number and it is a desire to go as fast as the car is going to go. And what’s beautiful about Le Mans, first of all, that Mulsanne straight’s not really straight. You’ve still got It’s movement there and then crown of the road is really weird. You know, it’s like when I ran at Talladega, which was really just before that, that I remember asking Bill Elliot, like, Hey, could you show me the line?

And he goes, I’m going to show you where not to go. And so I kind of felt that way at Lamal, particularly on the Mulsine straight, because you can get caught into thinking it’s just, let’s go down the middle of the road. And so you really have to pay attention. And again, weed information from Ray Bellum and.

Wayne Taylor and my co drivers and my teammates and really look at where not to be on the racetrack so that you’re not darting around because you’ve also got traffic, but where you do not want to place your car. And of course, having downforce, I had a responsive car. I wasn’t like [00:14:00] floating and trying to figure out how to manage it.

My recollection, it was a good ride. And this

Crew Chief Eric: was during the ground effects era too. Was this your first ground effects car?

Lyn St. James: No, the GTP car that I’d had, the Ford Mustang Grove, it had some ground effects and not as much, but sort of the Argo that I had. So I’d had some experience with that.

Crew Chief Eric: So you mentioned your teammates, Gordon Spice, Ray Bellum and Wayne Taylor, who’s still involved in endurance racing today.

What were they like to work with and drive with back in 1989?

Lyn St. James: Everyone’s got their own personality, a lot of different characters hanging out together. Ray and Gordon were so laid back cause they’d done them all so many times. I mean, and so to them, this was just another year of doing them all. I mean, I was like, so hungry to be, contribute and be on the track and all.

I mean, they kept, you know, you go out, you go out. I got a lot, actually a lot of seat time. And of course, didn’t know until it was over that Gordon had decided to retire. I mean, after that race, unfortunately the engine went and we broke, I think 16 hours in, but he had already decided that he was going to retire.

He was very helpful, but at the same time, just very laid back. It’s hard to [00:15:00] explain, but I’ve not been around racers that were that sort of casual about everything. Wayne, on the other hand, I’m not sure if this was the first time Wayne had done the law. I haven’t talked to him about that, so I don’t recall, because he seemed pretty wired.

I remember the one challenge that he had and I got a kick out of this because he’s a little guy. One of the tests that we all had to do was to be able to take the bonnet off for having access. Now that’s at the back of the car because that’s a big, big piece. And so we all had to be able to unlatch it and do it that we needed to have access to get to where the engine was.

The other guys were pretty big, so they were able to do it no problem. And Wayne was struggling and I’m thinking, holy crap, if he’s struggling, what am I going to do? He just about got it and got it okay. I was last, I was so lucky because I just had a little puff of wind at the end that just caught it and helped me, you know, I was a nervous wreck about that.

And so was Wayne. That was one of those that it was kind of nice to see somebody else struggling about something that I was having a hard time with. And the other two guys, they were from other countries, European from other countries. And, you know, they were kind of typically nice, [00:16:00] but arrogant. Yeah. You know, not positive or negative.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, the reason I bring up your teammates is because one of the themes that comes up with every guest, and this is true of endurance racing in general, is the concept of mechanical sympathy and with different drivers behind the wheel of the car for different lengths of stints and things like that. Not all of you drive the same, although you try to practice and get a rhythm down and try to get lap times down.

So did mechanical sympathy. Maybe play into the demise of the spice car.

Lyn St. James: I don’t think so because I’m not aware if it was, because those are conversations that too, when one driver’s driving, the other two drivers who aren’t driving could have that conversation as they follow somebody, they’ve noticed that, you know, something is now been abused.

Or is not functioning very well and could have been abused. So that conversation usually happens from the two drivers that are out of the cockpit, while the other driver’s in the cockpit. And I don’t recall that conversation having it with either with Ray or Gordon. And the other car, even though we were all teammates, when it came to the race, I mean, it was kind of like two independent [00:17:00] programs because the crews, they help each other, but they were really assigned and kept to the car that they were running.

Crew Chief Eric: So as we close out 89, one of the other big themes about driving at Lamar is how variable it can be. And there’s the sentiment that Lamar chooses its winner, right? If you believe in that sort of superstition, but. The weather is a big to do. Like you said, the crown of the road, the cars, all the different tires, the different drivers.

So when you put all that together, when you walked away from Lamont, the end of 89, what did you feel was the most challenging part of driving the 24?

Lyn St. James: Really? The most challenging was. accepting that we didn’t, because the car was running so well the majority of the time, and it didn’t just blow up. I wasn’t in the car.

I think Ray was in the car, because the car is still running. So I was trying to catch up. Okay. I probably just rested. And cause I went over to Gordon and I’m like, okay, you know, and then he goes, we’re done. And I’m like, what do you mean we’re done? He said, you know, the engine’s gone down and I don’t even know what actually had broke, but I mean, it was just, we’re done.

And I think the most challenging was Accepting that and, and walking away feeling fantastic [00:18:00] because I’d raced Le Mans, but at the same time, the air is out of the balloon of, Oh my God, we didn’t make it to the end when we were, we made it so far. And you know, the only other time, and I had a very similar at Sebring when I was at a 935, it’s the first time I’d raced a 935 turbo and just the turbo went, but the engine was still running and I’m out there.

And I remember Jim Bell was my crew chief and he’s on the. Radio and he goes, Lynn, you know, bring it in. We’re done. I’m like, what do you mean? We’re done. The car is still running. Fix it. You’ve got to be able to find a way to fix it. Accepting defeat, particularly when the car is still mechanically running, even though it may not be mechanically sound enough to continue in an endurance race.

Accepting defeat is, is one of the hardest things. It’s really hard. It’s hard to walk away after everything going so well, after all the fulfillment of a dream and all the excitement. You don’t want to have a bad taste in your mouth at the end. At the same time, that’s just the hardest, is dealing with that and trying to go back to, oh yeah, but we did this, and oh yeah, but we did that, you know, so it was that defeat.

Crew Chief Eric: That segues us right into 1991. And to [00:19:00] quote you for the last time we got together, you It’s the one you don’t like to talk about and for very good reason. So let’s set the stage. For those that don’t know, you return with an all Pink Spice GTP car. At this point, Ford powered, but this time it’s an all female team and you partnered with Desiree Wilson and Kathy Mueller.

Talk about this return to Lama. As we mentioned before, Lama had changed. Suddenly you get there, brand new buildings, brand new pit. They’ve got Chicanes on the mall Sun. It’s like a reboot. So walk us through 1991 and the return.

Lyn St. James: Everything was. Before we even got there. So, I mean, it was intriguing. Yes. Pink car, all female, Spice, Cosworth.

So that was the good part. I got to go to Japan. I’d never been to Japan. So I got to go to Tokyo. That’s where they made the announcement. So there was this woman, Tabika was her first name. She had put the deal together. And so there were a lot of things. Quoted, said, written down. There were a lot of statements made about this effort and I knew Desiree.

So I was like, [00:20:00] this’ll be perfect. Really fantastic. So it was going to be Desiree, myself and Tomika. So then we go to this racetrack in Japan, not Suzuki. It was one that I’d never heard of. It’s actually a beautiful racetrack too. I mean, it was, it was stunning. And so the car was there. We were going to just test, all get acclimated to the car and to the team.

And everything was wrong. Car barely ran, you know, we were having incredible troubles. It became very obvious that everything that was said and presented was not necessarily happening. You know, it wasn’t necessarily real, but you know, you want to be optimistic and you want this to work. So, you know, our radar was up like, I don’t know about this.

Hope that works out. So this was months in advance of going to Le Mans when we went to Japan. So, we show up at Le Mans, now we see, I see at least, all of the, oh my God, this is all different, you know, and I see all this part of it, but it was a different crew than that were with the car in Japan. The car was a disaster.

I mean, the car was not prepared for Le Mans. They had said it had raced in some other race. [00:21:00] Whatever it was, it was still had the setup for that race as opposed to being set up for Le Mans. And I just remember since I had, the most recent person had been to Le Mans, I took the car out first. I mean, I wasn’t at race speed at all.

At the end of the Mulsanne Straight, I went for the brakes and the brake pedal fell off. I mean, the pedal just fell off, it was rattling down on the, you know, on the floor. And I was livid on the radio, and of course, the entire crew were all Japanese, nobody spoke English. And so they’re like rattling, and finally Desiree gets on the radio, Boo!

You have a problem with the brake? I said, expletive, you know, The brake pedal fell off, you know, I said, I will try to get it back to the pits. So I got back. And I mean, that is what the start of our first out there. There were some crew guys and team members from another Spice team who had worked with me when I was with the Spice two years ago.

And they came over and tried to help. And they told us everything is wrong with that car. The suspension is wrong. The shock is wrong. Everything. And they let us know, we would help you if we could, but [00:22:00] we can’t because that car is so off and so wrong. And then the ACO or the Lamal people would not approve Tameka’s license.

So now she’s being told she can’t get in the car. So now we only have two drivers. And so that’s when it was really mostly Desiree put our heads together. Trying to figure out who could we get to replace Tameka. And that’s what we called Kathy Mueller. And so Kathy Mueller, cause she lives in Europe. So she was able to come out and join the team so that we could still fulfill.

There were all kinds of conversations that they weren’t even going to let us on the track and that they weren’t even going to let us run. Desiree’s husband was there, Alan. And he was, you know, everybody was just, it was total chaos. Total chaos. And Desiree, God bless her, would not give up. I mean, she would constantly, at one point I saw her, literally with her hand, with this little Japanese guy and she had him, she had him off the ground and his feet were going like this because she was so mad.

She was like, you know, trying to get him to do whatever it was that needed on the car. So, I mean, Desiree [00:23:00] just really, to me, was very, very committed to trying to figure out how to make the car run. And they did let us start at the back.

Crew Chief Eric: Neil says, In 91, Desiree crashed the race car in practice, which forced the team to switch to a spare car, but then she crashed in the race and caused the retirement.

How were things between the two of you? Knowing all this went down,

Lyn St. James: Desiree is one of the most talented race car drivers that I know. I’ve known her a long time, raced against her, raced with her. My criticism of her is that she doesn’t understand the limits of the car. She drives the car like it’s perfect and she’s going to drive the wheels off of it and doesn’t understand sometimes the car’s just not ready to do all that.

She was so dedicated to make this thing work. I do not at all. Criticize or angry. I mean, I think it’s amazing that she did as much driving and as much, she tried to get as much out of the car as she did, because I mean, we were definitely behind the eight ball the whole weekend. I just say, God bless her for working so hard.

It was just everything that could have gone wrong, went wrong. And that’s when you just have a really bad pit in your stomach of saying, this is not [00:24:00] the way you want to race at all. And you certainly don’t want to race an endurance race. This way, when the car is volatile and not mechanically sound, I could go on and on about it.

I don’t even remember all the details. As I said, it’s one that I have practically tried to erase on paper. Yes, I was there. It is not one of the better races in my entire racing career.

Crew Chief Eric: No, but there’s a point to us bringing it up and it’s part of one of your quotes, which is there are more failures. Then successes in motor sports.

And so I think 1991 was a learning experience for you. So what did you walk away from in 91? What did you take away from that? Despite all the tragedy and the chaos and the calamity of this car.

Lyn St. James: Thank you for reminding me of my quotes. Cause it is failures. We’re going to have a lot of failures. You learn more from failures, but it’s what you do next.

It’s what you learn, but it’s also what you do next. For me, I was at the same time working on my indie program, but I think it was not being so vulnerable. I mean, what I learned was. You know, no matter how much you want to do something, you know, how much, how badly you want to do something is that you [00:25:00] just use your brain and when they, I mean, literally after Japan, I should have bowed out.

I just said, I’m sorry, this is, this is not right. So I’m not going to do it. Racers are the most optimistic people in the entire world. And many times your optimism will overcome bad stuff. But I think it was more of a Lynn, you know, when you really know and see something then use your brain and use your instincts and don’t be that vulnerable.

Don’t allow yourself to be that vulnerable because. Once we got there, I mean, other than the experience of seeing Le Bon in its current, revised, upgraded state, there was nothing else good that came out of it. There was no like, oh, well, you know, at least we accomplished this, or at least we accomplished that now.

I mean, so I think it’s just learn to trust your instincts and don’t be vulnerable. Allow somebody to pull the wool over your eyes.

Crew Chief Eric: Looking back at 1991 from a different trajectory, it was also a revolutionary year at Le Mans. Not just because of the course design, but there is a car that graced the stage that has really never been reproduced ever again.

And this is the infamous Mazda 787B [00:26:00] quad rotor GTP car. What was that like? What were your thoughts seeing this basically one of a kind LMP car out on track?

Lyn St. James: That was cool. I mean, it was killing our ears. It was exciting. You know, I’d forgotten about that, to be honest. I mean, I had actually raced an RX 7 at the 24 Hours of Daytona many years before, like a decade, I think, before.

And so to see that sort of, One off have success. This is why we do always want to be optimistic because even the things that you think are going to work, you know, sometimes can work. I mean, it was ear piercing. It really was. It was a beautiful demonstration of a commitment. And that’s where you come to that thought of that you brought up earlier.

Is that somehow the universe. Decides who’s going to win a race. That’s how it happened. You know, I think that their hard work or preparation, they earned that. But I think there was a little bit of the universe interception saying, yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: And it was definitely a pivotal moment for Mazda and put Mazda motorsports on the map.

And some mutual friends of ours have often expressed that that is the turning point. And it starts there at Le Mans. I mean, obviously that car ran prior to that, but that’s 787B. That [00:27:00] has translated into a legacy for Mazda that is absolutely incredible.

Lyn St. James: It is great to watch, you know, what Mazda has done.

And obviously a dear friend of mine is John Doonan. He really was in charge of a lot of that after that. I don’t think he was involved in that project. I don’t know, but I don’t, I’ve never talked to John about that. I should. It was definitely a tipping point for them to really embrace that Mazda could go racing and sell more cars and sell more products and make a statement and be successful in motorsports.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, as we transition into our last segment here, I was holding off on an audience question on purpose because it leads us into a deeper conversation about what you’re doing today. May pose the question that reads, what were the advantages and or disadvantages of being a female racer amongst the majority of male colleagues?

Lyn St. James: 99. 9 percent of it is really no advantage. You know, the only advantage If you want to call it an advantage is you do get more eyeballs. You know, you do get more people paying attention to you, observing you, but I don’t know if I’d call that even an advantage unless you can use it to your [00:28:00] advantage. If you can use that to your advantage in a positive way, meaning help a sponsor get more exposure or actually encourage.

others to show that somebody other than a male can do this. You know, you can justify some positivity out of that. I can’t see where I can say I’ve experienced an advantage. I can’t. And maybe I’m missing something that I would if I, but I can’t, I just can’t say, oh yeah, there’s this disadvantage, there’s this advantage.

But you have to look for how to make it work. And how to make it work for everybody, not just for you. You know, when you are the minority or the odd one out, whatever you want to call it, first of all, get used to it. If it makes you uncomfortable, then, you know, you better figure that out. Who wants to spend a lot of time being uncomfortable if you’re really pursuing your passion?

Become comfortable with it. Get over it. If it does bug you somehow, just figure out how to manage it and get over it, but then look for the positivity that you can make with it.

Crew Chief Eric: And the reason I chose this as our transition point is because thinking about 1991, despite everything we’ve already [00:29:00] highlighted and revolutionary things that were going on in motorsport because of Mazda.

There’s a younger generation of petrol heads of enthusiasts and of upcoming racers, looking at what you’re doing at Lamont, despite success or failure and going, there’s some team of all female drivers at Lamont. So it wasn’t an all female team. We’re not talking about, you know, the Beth Paretta indie team and things like that.

This was on a smaller scale and you guys were struggling and trying to make the car work. Again, there’s this audience watching from different angles, taking everything. And like you said, learning without really trying to learn. So I’m wondering, did 91 sort of open the door for what didn’t really happen again for 30 years, where teams like the iron dames stepped into the paddock.

And now you have all female teams running at Lamont. So do you feel like inadvertently you created this paradigm where people went, I can see myself there because I see Lynn there.

Lyn St. James: If we had been successful, yeah, but fortunately Desiree was already a respected race car driver, you know, so nobody put, [00:30:00] Oh my God, the girls, they can’t drive a freaking car.

You know what I mean? So we didn’t have to deal with that because I was a respected race car driver. Kathy Mueller would, you know, she was a respected race car driver. So the three of us were there carrying something that we just made the best effort. So the racers. The real people in the sport, I think, looked at it as, God, those gals tried.

If you talk to some of the crew that were around, I thought we just never gave up. You know, and I think there was some respect that gets earned when you, when you approach it that way. If I ever tried to figure out what the outside is thinking, you know, meaning the fans and the media and the people that I, I haven’t had this opportunity to have a conversation with, I would go crazy trying to figure out what people.

Are thinking. And so, I don’t know. I’m sure what you said, there’s some people that looked at it. I’ve talked to Deborah Mayer, but I, I don’t even think she knew that we did that. I would be very surprised that she knew that that even existed. I don’t wanna get ahead of us to say that that opened up the eyes for others.

And because it would be too easy to criticize. It’d be too easy to, I don’t know, to say, well, they couldn’t do it. They didn’t do it. They didn’t do, they didn’t get it done. And [00:31:00] unless you, people are motivated by what didn’t happen, that they’re gonna prove that it can, and, and I don’t know. It’s outta my league of understanding.

Crew Chief Eric: But it did open the doors for WMNA, Women in Motorsports North America, which is an organization that you co founded a couple of years back. And your charter is to help to prepare more women in all sorts of positions, not just driving, to become part of, let’s just say in this context, the Le Mans story.

So tell us a little bit about WMNA and what you’re working on.

Lyn St. James: Yeah, but wait a minute to prepare them to never ever get yourself in a position to do that, be smarter and better. So you’d never get yourself into that position. If anything, maybe that did have a lasting don’t, you know, don’t people anyway, so go ahead.

Sorry.

Crew Chief Eric: Tell our audience who may not be familiar with. WMNA, what it’s all about, what you’re working on, progress you’ve made in the last couple of years.

Lyn St. James: WMNA is Women in Motorsports North America, and we are a not for profit that I founded with Beth Perretta and about 40 other people in the industry in motorsports.

And it is about celebrating [00:32:00] and elevating and encouraging more women to pursue a career in motorsports and then to also be successful in motorsports. Because the more successful, then the more motor sports will grow. And, you know, we’re still figuring out all the ways that we can do that. And we can’t do it all.

Part of our goal and mission is to encourage others to actually reach out and do things that they can do. So you have the PNC, GDASI, they have a scholarship program every year that PNC sponsors for engineering. I was just supporting them. Michelle Della Pena, she had 27 high school girls after applying and they had 50 apply in high schools all over the, you know, central Indiana.

Come out to the track for three days and learn about all the different careers. So we’re doing a many different things, but our main pillar is to be educational. And we do that through our women with drive summit. This year will be the fourth year that we’re doing the summit and it’s taking place in Indianapolis in December 9, So spending a couple of days networking.

Yes, but also doing a deeper [00:33:00] dive into the challenges. And the successes of what women have experienced in the sport so that everybody could do it better. Racing is always about doing it better, right? Making it go better, making it faster, make it last lasted. So we’re really just networking. We’re expanding the knowledge base and we are capturing the knowledge base.

of people that are out there that are wanting to be in the sport who are in the sport and want to help others. It’s a really exciting time. I mean, I’ve made some efforts in the past decades. I can only say that the timing is right. Everybody in the industry, racetracks, sanctioning bodies, race teams, sponsors, everybody is reaching out and saying, what can we do?

Or this is what we’d like to do. Help us do it. The time is now. And it’s been really exciting just to see it get traction. That’s what WIM is about.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, Neil writes, Which up and coming female drivers are you most excited about right now?

Lyn St. James: Well, there’s a long list, actually. If you’re paying any attention, know that Kaylee Bryson just won a USACS Silver Crown race last weekend.

Made history. Taylor Ferns is also running in that [00:34:00] series, and I’ve been working with her. Mia Lovell, there’s Hannah Greenmeier, there’s Hannah Grissom, who I’ve been trying to help over the years. I mean, there’s just, there’s so many that are doing really well. I’m so encouraged that we’re going to have some race winners out there.

I mean, and that’s what, I mean, Jamie Chadwick obviously stood on the podium in the next race recently. Chloe Chambers has really been improving and doing really well. So, I mean, there’s just, Quite a few.

Crew Chief Eric: So if one of the younger lady drivers came up to you and say, Lynn, I heard you’ve raced at Lamar, what do you say to them?

Lyn St. James: Get as much road racing and endurance racing experience. I’ll give you an example. This series that I am not familiar with. I haven’t gone to one, but I’ve, they’re like eight hours long and they have like two or three races over the course of a race weekend. It’s kind of more grassroots, but at the same time, it’s.

pretty well prepared cars. You know, do a lot of those so that you get a lot of time in the car and you’re dealing with different co drivers and you’re dealing with different racing conditions. Endurance racing is how you prepare to go to Le Mans to be a good endurance driver. You know, start networking and [00:35:00] read, read a lot.

I mean, I used to read a lot of publications and, you know, try to stay current about what’s happening over there because it changes a lot. The politics change, the race teams that are changing. Then the other I would say is to try to align as early as you can in your career with an OEM, because the OEMs are now really demonstrating and testing their products in endurance racing.

So whether they are racing here in the U S or whether they’re racing with the world endurance championship or at Le Mans, pay attention to what teams are there, what OEMs are there and start letting them know you exist. You know, the awareness that you need to have, and the knowledge you need to have, and then the awareness that they need to have that you exist, and this is your desire.

It may take two, three, or four years, but you know, you got to start somewhere, so start now.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s no secret you’ve had a long standing relationship with Ford Motorsports. As we wrap up, I want to get your thoughts on the last time Ford won at Le Mans, which was in 2016 with the Ford GT, and now they’ve just introduced the GT3 Mustang.

So where do you think the future of Ford is at Le Mans? Do you think [00:36:00] there’s a win in the future? Do you have hopes for Ford?

Lyn St. James: Absolutely. I mean, I think they did finally go back and win on, you know, that anniversary year. And that was important. And they always. All of them, and Ford for sure, they want to sell product, and they want to demonstrate their product in racing, prove it in racing, so that people then want to buy it.

People are smart, and at some point, if your race car is so exotic, and so over the top in technology, it doesn’t relate to the actual street car, they get excited about it, but they’re not necessarily going to want to buy the product, I don’t think, because they’re going to go to the races, and they’re going to buy tickets, and they’re going to cheer for you.

And they may buy the t shirts and the hat and all the other stuff. You’d become, you know, Ford race fans and they might buy a Ford product because of that, but more than likely, they’ll be a lot more likely to buy a Ford product. If they see a car very similar to the kind of car that they could buy out there racing and successfully racing.

So, I mean, I saw they raced at Laguna Seca and, you know, they’re not out of the box. They’re not winning yet, but they’re definitely showing that they can be [00:37:00] competitive. Ford is kind of stepping down, I think you would call it, or back a little bit and racing more of the relatable product, relatable to the types of the cars they’re selling.

And so Mazda has proven that beautifully. Porsche is proving that all the time. I mean, their race cars are still real race cars, but they can translate much closer to what you would buy to take out on the street.

Crew Chief Eric: In all this time that’s passed, you were in the heyday of the GTP class. It has come full circle again, as of last year.

Is that exciting? Oh yeah.

Lyn St. James: Oh yeah. The ultimate race cars you could say would be Formula One and IndyCar, because you know, you’re talking about, but that’s open wheel. And so to be able to see prototypes with the OEMs involved, most of them, it’s the engine that are powering it, but it’s also all of the engineering and technology that’s going on.

being developed of it. And let’s face it, those cars are fast. Those cars, they’re like magic. And I mean, now to me, they’re very complicated with the hybrid. And I mean, I remember when we were testing turbos back in the eighties, the turbochargers that we were [00:38:00] running in the Ford’s at that time, they were testing it to put those in the street cars.

Cause I remember when they didn’t work, I’m like, So what’s wrong? And they’re like, well, we don’t know yet. I’m like, you better figure it out. Cause you’re going to fix it for your street cars. So they’re kind of testing a lot of that hybrid technology and under heat, under vibration, all of the stresses that you put on a race car are much greater than you’re going to put on a production car.

And they’re sexy. I mean, they’re exciting. And, you know, I think the eighties of the prototypes was one of the highlights of motor sports and particularly in sports car racing. And we’re having another era of that now.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, one other thing before we close this up, we have a special message from one of our ACO ambassadors, Margie Smith Husk.

Margie Smith-Haas: It’s all Margie out there. Hi, Lynn. I am so glad I get the opportunity to do this. I am so proud of you. I want you to know that I watched the video that Eric is talking about. I thought, well, I’ll watch for maybe five minutes and I got to go to bed. I couldn’t stop until it was done. I’m so, so pleased at what you’ve accomplished through your career.

and what you’re doing for [00:39:00] other women in racing. It’s just mesmerizing. I’d really, really like to encourage everyone to listen to your story. And I know you’ve got much more to go and I just want you to know, I’m so proud of you.

Lyn St. James: Well, thank you. Thank you. I mean, you were part of that whole process, Carol, with what you did too.

Thank

Margie Smith-Haas: you. We were comrades. Yes. And I remember whenever you wrote that first book and so forth, it was just to see where you come and how you fought to get where you are, but you deserved everything that you got. I know that you’ll be doing even more and congratulations on WMNA, what you’re doing for the women.

And you’re just a legend, ma’am. Thank you.

Lyn St. James: We got a whole crew doing the WMNA thing now, which I love, you know, I don’t feel the weight on my shoulders. It’s like great. Now we’re out. We’ve got ambassadors and we’ve got just talent coming out everywhere, volunteers and just some wonderful things going on.

So that’s all. That’s a great, which you’re helping too. So that’s great. Thank you. And

Margie Smith-Haas: best of

Lyn St. James: luck in

Margie Smith-Haas: everything you do in your future.

Lyn St. James: Thank you, darling. You

Margie Smith-Haas: too.

Crew Chief Eric: With 31 speed records earned over a 20 year span and many wins and titles in her logbook, Lynn [00:40:00] St. James reset more than just metrics in a record book.

She rebooted the way we look at and think about motorsports. And because of her perseverance and accomplishments, she has inspired generations of talented women to also get behind the wheel of a race car. And her continued efforts to expand and equalize motorsports Sports are far from over and we can’t thank her enough for all she’s done and continues to do for the racing world at large.

To learn more about Lynn, you can visit her website, www. lynnstjames. com, as well as Wynna’s website, www. womeninmotorsportsna. com. And on behalf of everyone here and those listening at home, thank you for sharing your story with us. We hope you enjoyed this presentation and look forward to even more Evening with the Legends throughout the season.

So with that, Lynn, I can’t thank you enough for coming on Evening with the Legends, sitting down with me, and I look forward to seeing you very soon this season.

Lyn St. James: Oh, thank you. Thanks so much, Eric, for bringing me back and let me talk about Le Mans. It’s a really, it was special, special. So thank you.

Margie Smith-Haas: Thank you.[00:41:00]

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Highlights

Skip ahead if you must… Here’s the highlights from this episode you might be most interested in and their corresponding time stamps.

  • 00:00 Meet Lyn St. James: A Racing Pioneer
  • 01:56 Lyn’s Journey to Le Mans
  • 02:31 Securing Sponsorship and Support
  • 04:19 First Impressions and Challenges at Le Mans
  • 08:16 Cultural and Personal Experiences
  • 10:10 The Changing Landscape of Le Mans
  • 14:21 Racing Dynamics and Team Interactions
  • 17:04 The 1989 Le Mans Experience
  • 18:56 The Return in 1991: New Challenges
  • 21:57 Driver Dilemma and Team Chaos
  • 22:41 Desiree’s Determination and Crashes
  • 24:26 Lessons from 1991
  • 25:42 Mazda’s Revolutionary 787B
  • 27:25 Challenges and Opportunities for Female Racers
  • 31:07 Women in Motorsports North America (WIMNA)
  • 35:42 Future of Ford at Le Mans
  • 38:31 Closing Remarks and Acknowledgements

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1991: A Return Marked by Chaos and Courage

Two years later, Lyn returned to Le Mans with an all-female team- Desiré Wilson, Kathy Mueller, and herself – in a striking pink Spice GTP (seen above). But the dream quickly unraveled. Mechanical failures, language barriers with a Japanese crew, and a last-minute driver substitution turned the weekend into a survival exercise.

Despite the setbacks, Lyn and Desiré fought to keep the car on track. Their determination, even in the face of defeat, underscored a deeper truth: success in motorsports isn’t just about podiums – it’s about perseverance.

Lyn’s Le Mans story didn’t end in the ‘90s. It evolved into advocacy. As co-founder of Women in Motorsports North America (WIMNA), she’s helping pave the way for future generations—drivers, engineers, crew members, and fans alike.

WIMNA’s mission is clear: educate, elevate, and empower. Through initiatives like the Women With Drive Summit and partnerships with OEMs and race teams, Lyn is ensuring that motorsports becomes a more inclusive arena.

Lyn’s advice to aspiring racers is as practical as it is profound:

  • Get endurance racing experience early.
  • Align with manufacturers who value motorsports.
  • Read, network, and stay informed.
  • Trust your instincts – and don’t let optimism blind you to red flags.

Her mantra? “There are more failures than successes in motorsports. It’s what you do next that counts.”

With 31 speed records and a career spanning decades, Lyn St. James isn’t just a racer – she’s a movement. Her story at Le Mans is one of ambition, adversity, and advocacy. And as she continues to mentor and inspire, her legacy grows far beyond the track.


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