The Exotic Car Marketplace

William Ross - Founder / CEO for Exotic Car Marketplace

With my 20+ years of experience in the automotive market I can source and sell that specific Ferrari or Porsche that you desire. In keeping transactions out of the public we can increase the value in your collectible and get you the most value.

Contact: William Ross at william@theferrarimarketplace.com | 216-785-3953 | Visit Online!

       

• Everyone has an origin, and your automotive past is quite extensive – where did it all get started? What is Sixty5 Motorsports? What were the Porsche and Ferrari Marketplaces? Rocks & Revs?
• Many people have contested “cars are a bad investment” – is this true? How have they not become a depreciating asset? How do you tell the difference between an investment and a money pit? 
• There are many types of car collectors out there, many folks just jump on marketplace or AutoTrader or maybe through their local car club. But when and where does “discrete purchasing” come into play? 
• Thoughts on the current collector market – thoughts on Bring-a-Trailer?
• Tips & Tricks for buying collector cars (for the newbie and the veteran) 

and much, much more!

[00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the Gran Touring Motor Sports Podcast Break Fix, where we’re always fixing the break into something motor sports related.

A bespoke showcase uniquely incorporating Porsche d n a at its heart, authenticity and legitimacy due to the family position of the company’s founder and international car designer, Christopher Wrights design and styling cues interpreted from iconic road and racing Porsches of the past, combined with Fach, hand-built craftsmanship and ultra-low production, creating for each owner a supercar that’s like, no.

With over 20 years of experience in the automotive market, our guests can source and sell that specific exotic collector car that you desire. Some of you might know or have bought from William Ross, the founder of the Porsche and Ferrari marketplaces, but most recently he has taken on the role as sales director at Fach Porsche, and he’s here to talk to us about how you can [00:01:00] purchase your first or maybe your next collector.

Welcome to Break Fix, William. Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Like we always say on this show, everybody has an origin story, but I had to start off with, well, who’s William Ross? You know , you have quite the extensive automotive past. How did you get started? This sounds like I’m at my, uh, therapist.

Who am I? . I guess you go way back to the start. How this all got in my blood. Since I could walk, I’ve always had something to do. I had wheels in a motor, started riding race motorcycles at. then got into carts and, and still motorcycles, then moved into cars. And as you get older, you know, you get stuff that’s bigger and faster.

So it’s just kind of, I’ve always been in that aspect of it and it’s always been in my blood, I guess, you know, the petrol head in me through and through. So it’s just one of those things, wanting to be involved somehow, some way to earn your living and be in part of it. So it’s like finding that right way, that’s, Hey, I can do something I love and also pay my bills.

and I’ve just been fortunate enough to [00:02:00] be, I don’t wanna say the right place, right time, but you know, just, you know, you follow your passion and usually you can figure out ways to support yourself and have fun doing it. The adage is, you know, if you do something that you love, you won’t work a day in your life.

That’s kind of my motto and what I’ve usually just done pretty much my whole life. No, you meet a lot of great people. The industry, the market, everything. The racing side of it, even much more so just very family oriented, great industry and great thing to be a part of and be involved in. You’re very right about that.

I mean, you, you’re very passionate about cars and you know, you look at your LinkedIn posts and things like that. You’re always posting something, you know, from the past especially, but always inspiring and bringing us back into the heyday of motorsports, but always surrounding Porsches and Ferrari.

What’s the affinity behind those? It’s just the two marquees that I’ve always been just really passionate and attracted to. You know, I love everything out there that’s also built. Mercedes is great. You know, I’ve had plenty of BMWs in my life. And Mercedes, the lineage, the history, the passion is tied to those two Enzo, what he did with Ferrari bill for us, and then [00:03:00] Ferry did with Porsche, you know, and just coming up it’s, you know, respectful of what they were able to accomplish, especially in the times that they started manufacturing and building those cars.

Anzo basically started around the time when World War II was coming out and you know, he was with Alfa Romeo, but then the war hit and he was doing spindles and that kind of stuff, and then got into the cars and then ferry, you know, he unfortunately had to do some stuff for, we won’t mention anyone’s name, got away from that and was able to build what he could, you know, under scrutiny.

I wanna say persecution, but you know, a lot of people didn’t wanna deal with them. And the fact it’s just because of what his history was and it was unfortunate, but persevered and got. You know the great thing about Porsche, you look at what he was able to do, in essence, a Volkswagen engine, it’s a little boxer engine air cooled, but then he took the car and light fast, you know, and just made it what it is.

You know, Enzo, his most important aspect of the car is the engine. The body’s just built around it for the engines to go faster. If you wanna turn, go do something else. You know, it’s just all about speed. Those are two brands I’ve always just been really drawn to. I just, their history and the lineage does everything [00:04:00] done, especially motorsports.

That probably is one of the biggest factors too. It just, you know, what they’ve done historically wise, you know, they conquered many, many of different types of racing. So it’s, and me being the racer I am. It just kind of respect, I guess. And what’s ironic about that is it’s probably the one of the longest.

Bloodiest feuds between two manufacturers in the motorsports world, if there ever was one, right? You see all the time. Oh, well, you know, Mercedes at the top of Formula One and Toyota just won Lamonds again, and na na na. But there’s nothing nearly as just. Gut-wrenching as the wars between Porsche and Ferrari.

And it’s across all the different disciplines of motorsport. You know, Lamont’s 23 coming up. Here we go again. Porsche says, I’m coming out with the lmp, you know, g t P car, and Ferrari goes, so are we. We’ll see you there. Right? ? I, I told my wife that. I said, look, I go, um, playing on vacation next year is we’re going to Lamont cuz it’s gonna be Unbeliev.

I mean, not just those two, Marquis, I mean, you got all these other manufacturers come back [00:05:00] and a shout out to Glicken house. I tell you what, they’re holding their own great to see a small little specialist like that be able to hold their own again, especially, you know, going against Toyota. I think they did well.

You got some mega companies spending 506, 7, if not more on their racing program for that, and Clickenhouse comes in, they’re spending, you know, maybe 10, 15 million a year to be able to do what they can and they’re just gonna get better. It’s gonna be awesome next year for that series. I just love the fact that it’s taken so long for both sides of the pond to finally agree.

Look, let’s stop battling each. , let’s make this work for both entities so the manufacturers can do both. Instead of having to pick and choose, which is gonna be the one where they wanna focus their marketing dollars on, is it gonna be United States and that market? Are we gonna, Hey, let’s go Europe. It’s awesome to see that they finally realize that, hey, they need to play together.

the upcoming partnership between W E C and imsa I think is a long time coming not only for the racers and the organizers, but for the fans as well, [00:06:00] because it just got confusing with the classes and this car runs here and runs there, but it’s not the same, but it isn’t, you know, and, and I think that’s a good turn of the page looking forward, especially at the hundredth anniversary of the first running of Lamont’s being next year.

Let’s step backwards into part of your career in both the Porsche and Ferrari marketplaces. What was that all about? It’s one of those situations where I was at a time on the restoration side handling, working with some fab shops, not so much doing the complete restoration, but actually handling specific metal fabrication of parts for the manufacturing.

and so you start dealing with clients. They have one car, they got 10 cars, kind of flows in the conversation. You get ’em to start talking and then they say, well, I might be thinking about selling this. I think you might know buddy. Well, as a matter of fact, I do cause so-and-so over here he is working on this, but I know he wants to get that.

It’s just connections and networking and it just kind of went from there. Grew and grew, turned into a job, so to speak. I, I hate calling it a job cuz it’s not really a [00:07:00] job. Cause I love what I do, but it just grew from that took a lot of time, but it’s just getting to know people and meeting people and we’ll touch on it, you know, later in this conversation people don’t realize a lot of transac.

In the collector car world, especially the dollar marks you hit, you start getting at that 500,000 up, or especially when you’re at seven figure ranging up, 50 to 60% are done behind the scenes, if not maybe a little bit more. It’s just done amongst people that know people because they don’t really want their business being put out there for public in the world.

And once you post something somewhere with the valuation to it saying, Hey, I want X, that’s what your thing you’re saying with the carbs. , you know, same kind of thing. Taking cars to auction, you’re kind of pigeonholing yourself to what the value could be. You look at the history of the car, ownership, racing history, there’s so much you can tack onto a car that adds value to it.

In this day and age, you know the research you can do and there’s so many individuals out there and companies that can get you that history and photos, everything, documentation. People want something that’s got that something to it, not just something that [00:08:00] Bob down the street owned it for 20 years and just kind of drove it around the clock, went to church with it.

That was. They, they want something tangible. They want something that’s got some history to it. Cause they love talking about their cars. Kind of going back to like why Porsche and Ferrari, those seem to be the ones that I dealt with the most. Well that seemed to be, the cars seem to have the most in action in regards to people moving them, selling and trading, ’em, doing all that kind of stuff.

So it just kind of went that way. Folks that listen to this show have probably realized by now, you know, I’m a big fan of the nine 14 and there’s plenty of them out there, but there’s a difference between buying a 9 14 6 GT or even a replica 9 14 6 GT and buying the Duvale Sunoco. Number five, or. By the Jagermeister nine 14, which by the way was the first Jagermeister Livered Porsche was a 9 14 6 G T, stuff like that.

The value, it’s priceless. There is no value, and to your point, the minute you put, let’s say the Jagermeister nine 14 up on the auction block, suddenly it becomes real. Suddenly it has a limit. It has [00:09:00] that glass ceiling, right? Versus I guess those behind those scenes sales are more like selling fine art.

It doesn’t get talked about, but you know, it happens and they, they’re moving around. Oh, exactly. That’s it completely. You put it in an auction environment or you put it just cell wise, but in auction environment, you know, you got two people bidding on it. The one person that really wants, it’ll just go that much higher that he has to than another person.

Whereas that guy that really wants the car would’ve spent 50% more or something. But if he spoke to S new or reached out and find out cuz he wanted that car and just what it was, and you know, a lot of these means something to a lot of people too. They have a connection to it. It really kind of helps regarding value wise and what it’s actually.

So as a broker of fine Automobiles, when you were dealing with the Porsches and the Ferrari, did you run the gamut or did you have to narrow your focus and say, no, I’m not gonna sell 9 44 s and 3 0 8 s, I’m only gonna sell these types of cars, maybe air cooled Porsches, or only two 50 series Ferrari or [00:10:00] something like that.

How did you limit, or was your scope very, very. No, it’s limited. And when I started out, obviously to meet stuff, you’re gotta start with everything. Then you start really have to narrow your focus. I don’t wanna say become that specialist, but you know, everything I deal in, basically in the Ferrari side, it’s your fifties, sixties, early seventies.

Now I’ll get into the two eight. Eight. GTOs have forties, you know, a lot of Ferrari, that kind of stuff. You know, the higher dollar stuff, you know, that are very special and collectible. Porsche, basically the same thing. All air cooled stuff, but I’ll get into some of the stuff that’s, you know, a little on the rare side that’s a bit newer, but not a lot.

Very, very little. If I have a client that I’ve dealt with for a long time and for some reason they’re looking for 2014 or leader or whatnot. Okay, I’ll help Of course. , but it’s not something I’ll actively go out and pursue or do. I wanna say they’re dime a dozen. But you go through any of the books, you go through Sports Car Marketplace, you can put any of the magazines or you go online.

There’s so many of ’em out there that deal, Hey, we just, whatever you want. If it’s got a course badge on it, hey we sell it. You know? You’re really spread yourself thin. Yeah. You’re [00:11:00] gonna find one or two people out there that really know everything. Cuz that’s all they did was immerse the. You wanna know what you’re dealing with, the specifics, history, background, they only built X amount of these with that and everything along those lines.

I, I really narrowed my focus to those. Uh, I I could say years and models in both Marques. So let’s say you ran from the fifties up through almost the malaise era or the beginning of the malaise era, where obviously. In the Porsche world, that’s where the 9 24 s and 44 s were introduced. The nine 30 turbos came on the scene in the 9 28.

You started to get these more almost commodity Porsches at that point. And the same with Ferrari. You had the 3 0 8 was on the main stage, thanks to Magnum PI and all that kind of stuff. But if you look at the times ahead of that from, let’s say the eighties forward, , are there some rare cars in there that would fit the mold?

And I’m gonna throw an example out here for you. Something like the Carrera gt, which is so unique in the Porsche world, that it’s an instant classic that then runs right alongside of some of these vintage cars you’re dealing with. Are there other [00:12:00] ones like that, that you’ve handpicked out of the modern era?

Oh yeah, the GT one, the career gt, definitely, you know, you get those special, you know, and I think Porsches kind of, I wanna say jumped on that bandwagon, but they’ve started doing limited run on certain miles, like that new sport classic they’re coming out with. They tried to get on the list for that thing, but that was just impossible.

That thing’s gorgeous. It’s a great car and they’re only doing what, 1,250 of them, stuff like that. You start getting into where, yes, because you’re talking 1,250 world. All of a sudden you got a very rare, marketable car, you’re gonna have a lot of people clamoring for something along those lines. As soon as they announced that my email box and phone was blowing up, wanting to try and get one, I was able to help a couple people out.

They paid the premium, but they wanted it. I wanna say it’s a case by case basis. Go on the Ferrari side, say a 360 or especially a four 30 manual. Okay. The 360 s, you know, you can find the manuals, not easily, but relative. But the four 30 manuals. Now, those are [00:13:00] very difficult to hire. Your pay a premium, they hardly bill any in the four 30.

So you get into kind of those ones, the rarity of them, and if there was such a limited build of them, I’ll definitely get into it because those are the ones that people are really starting to want, especially on the far side with the manuals. If it’s got a six speed in it, you’re gonna pay through the teeth.

On the newer stuff, it’s finding those ones and it gets kind of fun with those, especially them being newer. You’re not afraid to drive. It’s a better ownership experience, especially for the person that that’s the only Ferrari or that’s one that they’ll ever buy the first one they’ve ever bought. It’s like, look, you want some analog, you wanna be part of it.

Getting the newer stuff, it’s pick and choose, but you know, there it, it’s has to be something special about it. To be involved in part of it. So does that apply to the newest of the new as well? And I’m referencing basically the EVs, right? We have things like the Tacan and on the Ferrari side. I cringe every time I say the words, Ferrari, S u V, these things that are coming to bear to market.

Now, are they gonna be collectible in the future or they just gonna be commonplace? I don’t see him being [00:14:00] collectible. I, I honestly, Sorry. Uh, EVs, there’s so many manufacturers coming out with an ev. The herd will get thin whose can last, but I, I just don’t see it because until they can create the battery for the car that can last and you can recharge it, you know, in five minutes, 10 minutes.

What have, I mean, there’s, I just don’t see it and. The car will outlast the battery, but those things will change so much in regards to design capability. You know what the battery can perform. I just don’t see them being a collectible because it’ll be a paperweight sitting there. It’s unfortunate cuz like that Thai can gorgeous car.

I love the the sport Charisma’s awesome. I’m a big wagon fan. I love wagon. You know, I, I think that’s gorgeous when I get one at two. Yeah. But I mean, I don’t think I’d pay that much for it because you won’t be able to go on a road trip. Cuz I’m not a person who likes to sit somewhere for a couple hours charging up my car and trying to figure out something to do.

I just don’t see ’em being collectible. I, I just don’t see it happening. I mean, well they hold value. Yeah. But they’re not gonna be something 20 years [00:15:00] from now, they’re gonna be paying, you know, five times what sticker was, or 10 times sticker. I just don’t see it happening. You said you liked wagons. What do you think of that Ferrari station wagon that came out a couple years ago?

You talking about the, the FFF and the GT four Luo now? Yes. Yes. Honest, it’s butt ugly. . . Yeah. I’ll be honest, man. I don’t, I’m not gonna hold any punches when I drive one. Heck yeah. It’s a great car. Cause it’s all-wheel drive. You can put some all season or winter tires out it drive the winter and just, hey, beat the heck out of it.

Have some fun. But I just think that thing’s butt ugly. . Well, let me ask you this before we move on. Say you’re in the board. and you have to decide between the venerable Porsche 9 59 and the F 40, which do you choose? Oh, they have 40 all day long. . I love that. 9 5, 9 s great. You know, I’ve driven one. It’s phenomenal.

I mean, just what you get of it. But I’ve also had the opportunity, this is some years ago, but I drove an F 40 once. You know, it wasn’t very long. It wasn’t like I had all day with it, but, uh, God, the experience [00:16:00] in that F 40, it’s such a, just, I would say bare bones. If you ever even sat in one, you get the feeling, even just look at side, there’s nothing in that interior.

You got your engine right behind you, your two seats. You got your steering wheel, your pedals, and the gear selector and go. I mean, it’s such a raw experience, man. It is just phenomenal. All day long. It’d be the F 40. You know, I’ve heard it described many times that the 9 59, it was space age technology in the late eighties and it was well ahead of its time and it still sort of is.

And there’s a lot of things that newer Porsches take from it. It is technologically superior. It is an amazing piece of German engineering. But the F 40 is like when fire was presented to the cavemen for the first time and suddenly. You ignite and you’re lit with passion and it’s like, oh my God, this is the ultimate vehicle ever built, ever.

It’s just, it doesn’t matter how good the 9 59 is. You said it right there, your comment. German engineering [00:17:00] is so buttoned up, tight collar. I mean, everything’s to its nth degree, engineered wise, stuff like that. Then you got the Italians over there. Oh, just build up a go . It’s two completely different things.

And you’re right, a hundred percent Bruce Canop, what he’s doing out California with the 9 59 s and upgrade him, doing what he’s doing, know he just making them that much better. They’re fabulous cars, but it’s just two completely different driving experiences. Yeah. , and it goes back to that rivalry, right?

If there was a rivalry for the modern times, it’s still those two cars. We can go back to that point in automotive history and go 9 59 versus F 40. I mean Ferrari versus Porsche all the way. Oh yeah. Completely, completely. So let’s step back into your origin story just a little bit. So what is 65 Motorsports?

That’s pretty much my umbrella company that I put everything under. The 65 is actually a number I raced, so I just created 65 Motorsports. I basically run everything under that, but I took that entity. And kind of transitioned it into events and [00:18:00] fundraising type stuff under that umbrella under 65. We all know that Cleveland Rocks, and you’re from the, the greater Cleveland area, but a lot of people might not know that you were the chairman and founder of something known as.

Rocks and revs touted as one of the most exciting automotive concours in the country, combining cars and music and how they influence one another. And we actually talked about this on several other episodes, so I wanna get your take on why a concore, what influenced you to start it? And let’s dig into rocks and revs just a little bit more.

Why not send it. You know, I, I, I go to all these events throughout the years, you know, all over the country. One day I’m like, why do we not? An event like that here in Cleveland, the North Coast Harbor’s got the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the Great Lake Science Center, the Brown Stadium right there. It’s on the waterfront, gorgeous area to host something.

So I said, Hey, lemme make a phone call to Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, see if they’re interested. Call ’em up. Yeah, that sounds great. I’m interested. Call Science Center. Yeah, it’d be [00:19:00] great. Call the Browns. Oh, definitely. We’d like to be part of something along those lines. Okay. So I think I might have. Call the city of Cleveland, set up a meeting.

Bam, they’re on board. Love the idea. Yeah, go ahead. Let’s do this. Whatever we gotta do to help you, hey, put it all together. So it just kind of grew from that is kind of say, Hey look, you know, music influences cars. Cars influence music both ways, rock and roll. Rock and wraps just kind of came together real quick.

The science center aspect of it is we’re trying to create the history of the car, where it went from, where it came. So it works out perfect in regards to what we can have at the. You know, we have miles ahead on board. They’re gonna set up, they do fundraising. What they do is they set up a track with electric carts, which is awesome.

So we got them on board. So we have a couple things come on. We’re ing off a 1972 Corvette. That’s for one of the places we’re raising money for, for Island Safe Harbor Animal Sanctuary. The other entities involved, you know, make-A-Wish and the Cleveland Clinic Pediatric College Department, and we’re pretty close.

Hopefully we can get University Hospitals, rainbow Baby’s Children Hospital also as one of the benefic. [00:20:00] They’re all involved because I’m a wish granter and I work with Make-A-Wish. I volunteer at the Island Safe Harbor Animal Sanctuary. It’s one of those things where it just made sense. I always live life.

It’s easier to ask if someone says no. Alright. Hey, you gave it a shot. But everyone I spoke to whenever I got to is. So enthusiastic about it and Got’s point, I guess I gotta do this. So we’re on schedule for next year to have our inaugural event, and one of the other cool things I’m trying to get set up with the Model T Club of Northern Ohio, we wanted to have it where they’ll teach you how to drive a model T like over an hour.

They’ll teach you how to drive it because I don’t know if you’ve ever driven one or been those things. They’re fun once you get them figured out or take it for a ride. We’re trying to have the events within the event to generate more. In regards to that, that we can, you know, donate to the entities involved.

So that being said, what do you think is the best pairing in terms of music era and car? Oh, that’s a tough one. obviously I go and got with the Beach Boys kind of get in the sixties, and you think of Janice Joplin and her porch. You kind of go in the [00:21:00] seventies. And I always go right to a lot of the guys, especially John Bonham from, uh, led Zeppelin and the cars he had, he.

Outrageous stuff. And then you go into the eighties, the Jaguar calling over. It’s always there. So a specific one. I wouldn’t say like, oh, it’s always gotta be this. I mean, I’m a big fan of music and I listen to all genres. You know, everything from the fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, you know, you see that influence there.

And I don’t know if you ever had opportunity, I wouldn’t listen to you call the rock hall. You know, they have a lot of stuff in there that kind of goes along those lines. You know, songs that were influenced by a car. So is there an ultimate music video car? Well, you’d have to go with the Ferrari and I can’t drive 55 from Sammy Hagar.

Oh, right. Oh, that’s a good one. You know, that car was the focal point of the video of him driving, you know, everything. It was, you know, wasn’t kind of in the background. He didn’t have some woman crawling all over it. You know, it was the car, it was getting out. In my mind, that was probably one of the ones I remember the most is.

Before we transition to talking about Fach, one last pit stop [00:22:00] question for you. What’s the sexiest car of all time in your opinion? Oh, most beautiful, gorgeous, whatever adjective you’d like to use. it. It’s gonna be probably a cliche or whatnot, but in my mind it’s the two 50 GT O. Uh, people say, oh, you know the E type Joan Enzo, you said was the most beautiful car you ever seen bought, that kind of stuff.

You go up on a GTO and you’re like, right next. And smelling it and putting your head inside, whatnot. I mean, that’s one I’ve never had the opportunity to drive or even go for a ride in, unfortunately. So fingers cross one of these days, but you don’t realize how small it is till you’re standing next to it and you see one person, it’s small.

You look at the photos, you think, oh, it’s kind of some big long photo. It’s like, no, that thing’s small. And again, it kind of just to the rawness of it. That car when it was built, there really were no drawings done. They just built it, put it together, and it started with the one designer kind of finished with the other.

What they came up with was phenomenal and look at its racing history. I wanna say unbeatable, but that thing was pretty close to it. To me. I think that’s just one of the most beautiful cars I ever made. A long [00:23:00] history in the automotive world, and now you find yourself at Fach Porsche. Tell us what is Fach?

What are you doing there? What’s it all about? I’ve known one of the individuals for a little while and he did work and stuff with Chris Wrights, who’s the designer, but anyone knows Chris or looks him up. He said he was head of design in Aro Rome and Nissan. He is a member of the poorest family tree, so it’s got that da.

When they showed me the initial drawings of it, my jaw dropped. I was like, this thing is absolutely stunning for what he’s got. He’s got the homage to the sixties cars, the Abar and that taking the hood Scoop, minimalized, the interior. It was just a gorgeous, gorgeous car and I really liked what we’re putting together in regards to when you look at it and know what it is and what we’re building.

Immediately. I was gonna think of singer cuz they’re the big whale in the room. They kind of started this craze, but you know, they’re. The 9 64 series and that 19 three series, and I always say, you know, they’re basically tightening [00:24:00] ’em up, cleaning up the lines, and just taking the interior, going to the nines on ’em.

They’re gorgeous cars. But that’s one of those situations where you see that going down the road. It sounds good. They’ll know it’s a nine 11, but they’re not gonna know it’s a singer unless someone knows cars or loves cars. With this, you’ll, especially taking a newer generation car, the 9 97 series cars, turn ’em into a mid engine car like the RSR race.

And just changing all the body panels out it, cuz it gets stripped down to the shell and then it’s all carbon fiber body panels bespoke to the owner and we’re only building 25 of them. It’s very exclusive regards to ownership. I really like that aspect of it because it’s not just like, Hey, we’ll just start taking as many deposits as we can.

Maybe when we get to it, we’ll build you a car. We’re limited what it was, you know, we’ll have subsequent models that also come out after this. I love the nine 11. It’s a great car. What Chris was able to do with this car design wise, it just really took it to a different level. Everyone I’ve showed initial stuff to just rant and raved about it, it’s a fantastic car.

[00:25:00] The entities we got involved that are doing the building of the car, manufacturing of it, and all the components going into it, you’re picking the best of the best and putting ’em on the car and just making something that is gonna be built wise structurally. Just performance-wise, it’s gonna be a fabulous, fabulous car.

We’re excited about it and I’m really excited about it cuz it’s not taking something brand new, building it from scratch, like, Hey, we’re gonna build a whole brand new car. But it almost is kind of along those lines. We’re taking a car and building a new car. It’s is an exciting process to be involved with, especially from day one.

Going through the process in regards to, okay, getting everything put together, getting the manufacturing side of it, what are we gonna put in, you know, okay, what’s our message? What’s our brand? I really enjoyed doing that and it was something that I jumped in, wholehearted with when they approached me about it.

So outside of becoming Mengen, is there any performance changes to the vehicle happening? Or is it still gonna be whatever power plant was in the shell, whether it be a 9 97 normally Aspirator or a turbo or whatever you’re working with? Or is it totally new? [00:26:00] If they want tur we’ll put on it. For when we start, it’s gonna be the GT three engine.

But what happen is that they’ll get completely dismantled and gone through it, but it’s gonna get rebuilt with Porsche Motorsport, internals, camp Chas and that. And just depending on what the owner wants to do, Porsche power wise, big question. You ask them, what’s your intention with the car? Is this something you’re gonna take Canyon carving on weekends?

Long distance road trip, or is it a track day car? That’s the first question you asked. What is your intention with the car and what do you wanna do with it? Then we build the car to what they wanna do with the car. You’re gonna be no less than 560, 570 horsepower in the motor, you know, after it’s redone day, but it can just go up from there.

It just depends on what you’re gonna do with it. You want something that you’re gonna be able to drive in traffic and not have to rev it out to 6,000 rpm, 7,000 RPM to really enjoy it with the cam you got in it. All right? We built it that way. It’s building a bespoke car for that individual to what they wanna do.

Being able to have that opportunity is just fantastic. It’s a lot of fun too. Couple of people we’ve got, you know, spoken to that are interested about getting a car. It’s a completely different [00:27:00] experience starting basically from scratch with this car. What do you wanna do with it? Yeah, I asked that question to people though.

In, in other aspects, looking for a Ferrari or a Porsche. On the classic side, what do you wanna do with the car? But you know, this is completely different because okay, now you’re gonna do that. We can go this set up with this boat. You know, it’s so fun. I mean it’s just, it’s exhilarating this tradition of taking nine elevens and extremely modifying and goes back quite a long ways.

You know, singer wasn’t the first, right? They came in line behind Roof and Gamala and other names that were doing the same thing for decades. And so it makes me wonder. Why always the nine 11? Is there no room for the next generation reimagine 9 28 or 9 44 or, or something else that’s in the line? Why always the nine 11?

I wanna say the abundance availability of cars. Obviously there’s quite a few 9 44 s out there and stuff. You know, there’s decent amount of 9 28. I’m trying to remember the name. I just saw it the other day and I read article about it. Someone is doing a 9 28 and going along those lines. With the nine [00:28:00] 11, you have so many different choices from model years that you can tweak it to what you want, pull that engine out, know people stuff, uh, LS in them if they want.

What you start with, what you have is just, it’s open to so much interpretation by the designer. I think it’s just, it’s an easy choice to go with because the flexibility. To create your vision is that much easier. The 9 44, you’re not gonna get much outta that four cylinder engine. That doesn’t mean you couldn’t put a V8 in its place.

I mean, you guys are putting a GT three motor and a 9 97. You’re kind of losing what the 9 44 is and you’re just creating this hot rod, so to speak. Nine 11, you’re still using. that six cylinder that basically came with building it up to what I mean, so you, you kind of don’t lose that. It’s always different when you look at a car that, you know, it came with the four cylinder, but it’s kind of V8 in it now, I feel.

Yeah. You do have the option though, with, let’s say a 9 44 as an example to use the outta your Volkswagen base. Two liter turbo, which is an excellent motor, makes tons more power. You can get 400 horsepower out of it and it’s still a [00:29:00] four banger. Maybe the other thing is about though, if someone looks at the 9 44, sees the poor man’s.

Like the 3 0 8 Ferrari, right? It’s like the 3 0 8 Ferrari. As the years go on, especially as the transition goes from the gas, you know, EVs here, trying to keep the classics on the road more, I think you’re gonna start seeing more of those along the lines. They might electrify ’em, you know, look at Evaro, what they’re doing.

They’re doing a great job. The cars are gorgeous. Evie West, right? With all the old 3 56 s and stuff. Exactly. I’m sure as she’s seen a lot more of them, only time will tell. It takes someone that’s got that mindset and division for it and creates something that people. Creates that demand. If you do it right, there’s always a buyer out there.

Maybe the real answer is you couldn’t really approve on the 9 68, so we just have to leave it where it is. No, and you mentioned rough. I was over in Germany a years ago and I went to their factory. What they put out of that was a gorgeous shop, not very big, but that new car that they came out, which where they created the shell itself and everything like that.

God, that thing is absolutely, If I had the means, I would get my hands on one of those in a [00:30:00] heartbeat, which is actually a great segue into my next question about Fach Roof. Originally was doing what you know Singer is doing now, harvesting existing vehicles and modifying ’em and things like that. But Roof eventually got to the point where they started building their own chassis.

They were awful close to real nine 11 chassis, but they weren’t vinn from Porsche. Right? They’re roof cars. So, and to your point, they’re bodying them. They’re doing all these kinds of stuff out of their small shop there. So do you see the same sort of future at Fach when they move into maybe their future model lines and things like that?

Or will it always be based on something that came from the factory? I would love it. Cause somewhere down the road we get to that point. But obviously that’s a long process to get there. And my guess is I’ll either be in the ground or I’ll be going around on my jazzy scooter, you know, down in Florida wearing a lot of.

Uh, that’s where we wanna take it and get it to that point. You know, obviously, hey, you gotta have, you know, take your first step and go. But that would be the plan and the path to take is to get to that [00:31:00] point. Then you have so much more control over what you can build and how you wanna present it.

Instead of taking an existing thing, you’re kind of stuck with regards to what you can do with what you working from. Unless you start hacking it up, re-engineering thing and doing all this weld to it, then okay, well you might as well just build a whole new car. But again, when you’re at that point, where are we gonna be at?

Is it going have to be electric or are you gonna still harvest? I mean, I don’t know. I love what Porsche’s doing in regards to making that push with that synthetic fuel. They make that affordable, that could be a game changer for the internal collection engine, getting a second lease and life, so to speak, in regards to some more longevity to it current remission wise, basically.

Solves the problem. You have the greenhouse thing. What’s coming outta the car? I, I’m really excited about that. What they’re doing. I dunno if you saw, you know, F1 race, but I know before seven he, you know, he had bought the red number five Nigel’s old car and he did a demonstration on it and they were running the synthetic fuel in it.

Let that thing rip. And there’s nothing like the sound of that V 10, that’s just music. That’s just music in what you were saying there about, you know, building your own [00:32:00] car and what do you end up with and all that. I think that’s a tip of the hat to what you said earlier about gli. Andhas kind of where do you end up?

You end up there with a unique vehicle that’s out there kicking butt that’s designed in such a new, new but retro way. That’s the one thing I wanna say about those cars. We kind of take a look at what you guys are doing. If you’re Aach the new car, I. Some of the pictures that are in the press material and whatnot.

It’s a gorgeous car. It has, to your point, the lines of a bar and zagato and even some of the five 50 is in there and mixed in and, and things like that. It’s a beautiful car by no stretch of the imagination, but a lot of people are probably thinking, well, if you’re only gonna make 25 of them, , when are we ever gonna see one?

Are people buying these as a model car or are we gonna see the first fach at Amelia or at Pebble, or some sort of event like that? What’s the future look like for the final product? It’s gonna be a tight stretch to try and get it for a million next year to have probably more than likely not a running ob, obviously driving car, but we could have a one-to-one scale.

We’d really [00:33:00] have to get our deduction roll like right quick, like within the next month to be able to put it together to do it. But more than likely, it’ll be at an event further, sometime in 2023. As for like seeing it, not like we’re just gonna build a 25 sum off and then, Hey, hey, I’m gonna come across one.

In a blue moon. Hey, there you go. I mean, we’ll definitely have cars that we’re gonna take out to events and shows. We really wanna build the brand and FK name out there doing those 25, the subsequent cars that go along behind it that we’ll have and we’ll build. We want to be able to have multiple models going on at once.

Also. We don’t wanna just build the 25 then disappeared and also come back a couple years later with something else. You know, we need to stay in people’s minds and out there. So we’re gonna be hitting events, showing people the car. Once we do have production ready car, we’ll have the one where we’ll send it around to all the online, you know, all the magazines, the publications, you know, driving and whatnot and get, you know, feedback and what have you.

Our intent is so people will be able to see the car cuz we wanna build up that brand and the. . Yeah. And I wanna remind our listeners too, you know, [00:34:00] 25 cars, you’re probably going 20, 25 cars. That’s nothing. But these are hand-built vehicles. There’s not a lot of manufacturers that are hand building cars anymore, even if they are being harvested from existing chassis.

I mean, you look at like the story of Zample, when he built the Sutta, he was cranking those cars out by him. And you could only put out so many in a year. I forget what the number was, it was probably less than 20 in a year, but it was absolutely nutty. And to be able to do that and, and you guys have a team and you’re getting all this stuff done and 25, that’s a good number for something that, you know, you’re taking a car, tearing it down, re-imagining it, and then putting it back out there with immense amounts of detail.

I mean, again, it’s a gorgeous car and I can’t wait to see one in person. And hopefully one of the big shows, especially for the owner, the people that are gonna buy the. Our other goal was to make this an exclusive card. So to your point, like I say, when would you see one? You’re not gonna run into one of these of the cars in coffee, maybe out in Malibu or something like that on one of the days.

But other than that, you’re not gonna run into it down a [00:35:00] corner at sloppy Bob’s bar and grill, whatever. You know? It ain’t gonna happen. You know, and that’s the thing we wanna build is, you know, you start getting saturation with the model in the car, then it just becomes, oh, everyone’s got one of those now.

Or you see ’em all over. We wanna make it and keep it exclusive for the. And make it something very special that they have in their collection. Cuz obviously the people that can afford to get the car are gonna have multiple vehicles in their collection. We’d love to be able to build a car that, hey, it’s for 75 grand.

So, you know, anyone almost could come out and get one. But it just, the way the world works, it can’t happen. You know? We just wanna make this. Such a unique, valuable car to the owner, make it that special for them that they can say, I’m only one of the 25 that have one. And that’s a rare club. I mean, it’s like the GTL people with the McLaren F one.

You’re a member of a rarely exclusive club, and those guys have a lot of cool events that go on that people don’t know about. Very secretive about what they all get together and they all talk how they can make another billion dollars from each other and move on the next day. I could probably guarantee you two [00:36:00] sightings of the vehicle.

You said Malibu, and it’ll either be Jerry or Jay driving it and then and then probably at the Goodwood Festival where they’re gonna put a car like that on display for everybody in the world to see. So I’m looking forward to that. I’m excited about it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. If any of your listeners out there know how to get ahold of Seinfeld, get ahold of me, let me know.

Get ahold Eric. Get ahold of. We love to hit him off. It’s up his alley. Love the car. You don’t know until you ask, right? That’s right. There’s a But for every seat they say, you know, we’re talking about collector vehicles, especially at this point we’re talking about bespoke specialty vehicles. Many people will contest that cars are a bad investment.

Is that true? You hear all over the place. Everyone says, you know, never buy a car. Think you’re gonna make money on it. I guess it’s true to some extent. You can’t go into, you’re gonna double your money in five years. Does. If you’re an individual that that’s your only collectible you have buy the car that you want to forget about, Hey, it’s going out in the valley, it’s gonna hold its value.

Buy the car you want. Be sure you buy the right car. Buy the [00:37:00] best car that you can afford unless you have the wherewithal to be able to work on your car every weekend, every night, and what have you, and tinker with it. That’s what you love to do, so be it. You’re more on the side where I just like to drive, enjoy my car, go to bedside, buy the best that you can afford.

Spend that extra 10, 20 grand, whatever it is, you know, if you can stretch it to that point, do it. You’ll appreciate it that much more because nothing will turn you more sour on a car when you go to drive, that won’t start. Or you go out there and there’s a big puddle oil, you know it’s gonna just drive you nuts.

If you’re in the industry, in the market and you follow it very closely, and that’s what you do, you’ll know what to buy and what to go after. You’ll see the trench. It’s just like the stock market. Get into that. You’re gonna have your ups and downs, but if you buy something correctly, it will slowly grow.

It’s gonna drop a little bit here and there, but over a period of time, tick with it. It’s gonna gain in value. You just gotta buy the right car that’s gonna. It’s just kind of looking at trends and looking at where everything going. You can never really go wrong with the sixties. Ferrari, front engine, b12, [00:38:00] Enzo Air car, those will go up in value.

Buy the right Porsche, it’s gonna go up in value. You maintain it, you’ll on to it. You know it’s gonna go up. Might only go up one or 2% a year, but it’s still gonna go up in value. If this is the only card that you’re ever gonna own or buy, take that out of the equation cuz you’ll just drive yourself nuts and you’ll piss yourself off.

Cuz all a sudden if it loses value, you loses 10, 15% the first couple years you’ll. You know you’re gonna get angry and if you told your wife that, hey, that’s why you’re buying it cuz it’s gonna go out in value, that’s how you sold her on it. , you’re looking like an idiot. But you know, if you got the means and you have multiple cars, you’re probably gonna have someone that knows advising you.

There’s not a lot of guys out there that really buy a car cuz they know it’s gonna go out in value. You got the gentleman that are fortunate enough, they’re on the Ferrari list and they can buy that new Ferrari that only amounted get and they can turn around and sell it. They’ll make. You don’t necessarily buy the newest car as a collector car.

I guess there’s a balance there. Granted, the guy that bought the 300 SL Goldwing Mercedes when it was new and everybody told him it was a fool [00:39:00] for buying it because hey, that’s a depreciating asset. Why would you buy that stupid car with those goofy doors? Yeah. Hold onto that car for 40, 50 years and suddenly it went from, yeah, that was a $6,000 car in the sixties and now it’s a $600,000 car.

You have to have to your point, a little bit of a crystal ball, but you can’t just buy everything, right? Commodity vehicles, there’s even commodity supercars. There’s even commodity exotics. I mean, I hate to say look at some of the Lamborghinis post Audi era where they’re all basically R eights with different skins on ’em.

There’s a million of them because they became super popular and everybody wanted a Lamborghini again, but it’s that performante. That, you know, whatever Superleggera version that they only made 12 of, like the Bugatti Divo, they made 41 of them. That’s the car to buy. Now, that’s on the extreme end of this.

I mean, we have different levels of collector. The guy that bought the Viper, the original Viper, when I came out, That’s a whole nother story that car has also gained in value. So [00:40:00] is it always sports cars? Probably not. Is it always the rarest of the rare? Probably not. But to your point, it’s what’s makes you happy.

But I think you need to hold on to it in order to see that value over time. It’s not something that you can sit in your mind thinking, okay, I’m gonna buy this in three to four years. Now I’m gonna flip it and make all this money on it, or make something. It’s a long-term investment where you need to hold onto it for 10, 15, 20 years and maintaining it and keeping it in that a great level of performance and keeping that value there.

You can’t just sit it and go buy it, park it, and let’s sit under a tarp in your garage. Then all of a sudden, 15 years later, you think you’re gonna turn around and sell for all this money. You gotta maintain the car. You gotta keep investing in that in. so we can get to that point. It’s tough when someone comes at that question because they’re not buying a car for the right reason.

So how do you tell the difference between an investment and a money pit? One, if you’re gonna Barney Rubble or Fred Flinstone a thing home, or if you can actually start it and drive it home? . So I, I guess, are there some collector [00:41:00] cars though that are just absolute nightmares where some people buy them anyway and you’re just like, oh, you kind of cringe every time you see it happen?

Yeah. I hate saying it. You know, e. It’s a great car when they’re running. Great. But it’s a lot of work to keep ’em at that level, to be able to drive ’em in all honestly, you know, Romeos, they’re also kind of a nightmares thing to deal with. That’s something if you buy, you better know how to work on a car when they run.

Right? They’re awesome, they’re fantastic. It’s all about your commitment level to what you wanna have. I guess the big question to ask yourself, again, it kind of goes back, do you wanna be wrenched on that car every weekend to be able to drive it that one weekend a. Or you want something where you can buy it and you only gotta wrench on it once every six months and you’re driving it every other weekend to go to your events, stuff like that, and just doing your little things here and there, changing your oil one.

It’s all about how someone’s looking at it Goes back to that question, what do you wanna do with this car? What’s your enjoyment? What do you really want to get out of this car? Some people could look at something that’s been sitting out in the farm field for 40 years and [00:42:00] pull it out and they see a diamond in the rough and you know, they’ll take five, 10 years to make it show car like it was brand new where you got someone else that walks up to it, go, that thing just should be hacked up and scrapped.

It’s all in up to the individual and it’s all how it’s looked at. Someone’s gonna see a money pit, someone else is gonna see a diamond in. So you brought up a really fantastic point about the Jaguars. The running joke, at least that I know has always been never by a Jag with low mileage cuz you know it never ran.

Yeah. . Exactly. . There’s a reason it’s got low miles . Exactly. Well that being said, we’ve been kind of skirting around this to say there’s different types of car collectors out there. Many folks nowadays, they love the ease of the internet. You got this marketplace and that marketplace and Autotrader and cars.com and some people buy cars through their local car club or it’s like, Hey, this guy’s getting out of this car.

You know, he is getting older. He wants to sell it whatever word of mouth, but there comes a point. In which you need to cross the threshold and enlist the help of somebody like yourself. And in that discreet purchasing comes into play. [00:43:00] When does that happen? When in the collector lifecycle, if you’re really committed to that part of the automotive world, when do you get there?

When do you make that transition? One, when you can afford the car that’s gonna be involved at that level, but too, if you’re looking for something very. That’s where it helps to get someone like myself involved and, and again, even if it’s, Hey, this is gonna be the only car you buy, but hey, you got that 200 5500 grand a spend up, but you only want one, but you want this kind of specific one, that’s where you’re getting that involved because you want to get the value for what you’re paying for because it’s such a meaningful purchase.

If you’re finding something that’s very unique and hard to find, and you have to know people that know people that, Hey, I can get my hands on one, but you’re gonna have to pay the premium. That’s where someone like myself gets involved. Kind of goes back into an earlier conversation when you ask, Hey, just, is it every Porsche?

Four hour maintenance? Says, no, it’s not. It’s very specific ones from specific eras that I’ll deal with. You can go online into Autotrade or all the other sites on there, bring a trailer and all [00:44:00] this stuff. You have all these cars in there, but bring a trailer kind of blazed the trail, how they, these more simplified auction sites got.

You know, then they sold out, but then he had all these other cars and bids. Doug De Monroe, you know, launching his, these, all these other ones came out and for 99 bucks, there’s some reason now said they’re not even charging you to list your car. Bringing trail was at 5%, capped it at five grand. Then the next one came out.

They capped it at four grand and it was free and everyone keeps undercutting everybody to make it cheaper just to get the listings and have the cars on there. I know they say, Hey, we try and weed some out, or we’re gonna be picky about what we put on there. Boils down to, they gotta make. So they’re gonna start putting whatever they can on there because they got bills to pay, they got employees to pay.

They’re gonna start letting stuff slip through. You know, that was a nice thing. Originally, bringer, Trino was very, very particular about the cars they would put on there. So you knew what you were getting, who the owner was. He was a great person cuz they spoke to the owner and have all the stuff. Now that they got bought out, they gotta make money for the corporate entity.

They have to. So now they’re taking whatever they can. So we joke [00:45:00] all the time, at least on our drive-through episodes, about how bring a trailer has basically ruined the used car market because everybody now has this false sense of what their car is worth because they go well and bring a trailer, my geome sold for $200,000.

It must obviously be worth that. Yeah. What’s your take on the current used car pricing market? Because you threw out some. 2 50, 500. You buy a new Corvette right now, not even fully optioned out. You’re talking a hundred grand. So that threshold has moved and used. Car prices are going up and everything is just like crazy town.

What’s your take on this bubble? Is it gonna settle? I mean it’s gonna course correct. Definitely. How long? I think it’s still gonna be another couple years that this is gonna be, but you know, on the new car side, and the manufacturers are salivating over this because especially, you know how Tesla is their business model regards how they sell and they wanna emulate that however they can.

because they don’t wanna have inventory. That’s money on the books. We want you to order a car [00:46:00] on the internet. Then it’s there. And we only have five cars at the lot. They can just test drive one. They really wanna go that route. I mean, what’s happening now in the marketplace and the used car prices, it’s really going to define and change the course of how new cars and new cars are sold and priced.

Out there in the market, it’s really gonna change up. It’s gonna last a while. There’s a big hole. It’s not like all of a sudden they’re gonna start cranking out all these new cars and you know, fill these holes and people go buy ’em. They got all these flooded used cars on it. I mean, it ain’t gonna happen.

It, it’s gonna be a while before the ship corrects itself. In regards to, I guess, things bouncing out on the other side too is you could see the used car market staying where it’s at. Absolutely crazy forever. Because people can’t afford the hundred thousand dollars ev, but they can afford the $30,000 a hundred thousand mile car that’s sitting there that’s 10 years old.

Well, I can afford that, but I can’t afford that. I just foresee that happening. Also, it could just all of a sudden be like, look, this is the new norm and it’s not going away. These EVs are priced so high. What, what [00:47:00] percentage people can afford it. So they’re gonna be forced to buy the IC engine cars. And you know, that edge goes, Hey, supply and demand, and you know, they’ll just gouge the heck out of you.

We’re seeing that on new cars too, right? Where Ford had to step in and say, you can’t raise all these big dealer markups and all this stuff that’s happening. Oh, I’ve seen, I, I, I’m sure you have too. You know, some of these photos I’ve seen online and videos, people go into New Cartier to seeing what their market.

$8,000 for this, which doesn’t cost anything throwing on these obscene numbers to jack it up. And what’s unfortunate though is they’re selling them people coming to buy it, and it just perpetuates the problem. And this goes back to something I’ve always said. There’s plenty of old cars to go around. So when you’re looking to spend that kind of money, I mean, fossil fuels aren’t disappearing overnight, doesn’t make sense for them to suddenly shut off all the taps.

Does it make sense to. A Ferrari, California spider like they did in Ferris Bueller every day as your daily driver. No, but there could be something older that maybe [00:48:00] is a little bit more collectible. That’s a lot more fun. And if you’re looking to spend a hundred thousand dollars on a new Corvette, well, what about an older Corvette?

Like a c3 like you were talking about for the rocks and revs, you know, something like, or even a c2, a Stingray. What are they going for right now? Kind of do those mental gymnastics and then you en. The help of somebody like yourself, a head hunter for these classic cars, let’s just say and go, William, I’m looking for this.

What can you do for me? I mean, is that as simple as the process is to get that ball started? How does it work if somebody looks to get your help? Yeah, that’s as about as simple as it gets a, it’s. It’s like, Hey William, I’m in the market for X. They could have a specific car model they’re looking for. Say, Hey, I’m looking for a 67,275 GTB forecast.

Okay, now we’re getting very specific color wise, what I started getting into. You want Class C certified? ? Hey, what do you want? I’m looking for a Ferrari. Okay. Then to start asking question, what do you wanna do with it? What’s your budget? You know, what do you plan to do with the car? Everything like that.

You start asking those questions to really start boiling. To [00:49:00] what you really wanna get out of the car. Now, like your point, say with the Corvette, like I say a C too, you can find something out there relatively inexpensive, but are you happy with a non numbers matching car? But hey, do you want to be able to drive this thing out there?

So you want disc brakes on it all around. So you want basically, you know, it’s a restomod. Is that what you’re looking to have, you know? , how extreme do you want it? It really boils down to what someone, one, what do they wanna do with the car? What do they wanna get out of it? You know, what’s their budget?

And then you start bringing ’em down to reality what they can afford. And that’s the other big thing, is kind of getting them to see the light. Cuz some people think, I got 500 grand, I want a two 50 gto. Well you might want to add a couple zeros to them. And sometimes you know, you have that heart to heart.

and you bring ’em down to reality. Then they all say, kind of turn, say, all right, you know, well, let me think about it some more. I’ll call you back. They eventually call back and say, you know, they look more around on the internet or what have you, and they kind of came to realization what they can’t afford and what really would work for them.

So they put more thought into it, then make a hasty decision. Some of you don’t hear back again. They take the money they put in stock market or [00:50:00] buy another vacation home or do something along those lines, you know? Or buy a boat. And I think you brought up a really good point with the American muscle. Uh, and I know some of us get scared when you see the prices coming out of like Barrett Jackson and Mecu and some of these other auctions.

You’re like, that Camaro sold for what? Yeah, granted, it’s not Ferrari money, but it’s still like your eyes are bugging outta your. I think those cars are underappreciated in the sense that there’s gonna be a lot more of them available here in the next 10 to 15 years. But the people that have taken care of, loved for and maintained some of those classic muscle cars, you know, late sixties, early seventies, we can say almost to the malaise era.

They’ve put a lot of really cool things into ’em, right? You talked about resto mats, power brakes, air conditioning, modernize this, the suspension, like all this kind of stuff. They’re actually better than they ever were intended to be, and they make good daily drivers. Now put that big cast iron V8 aside.

They’re not the most efficient engines in the world, but if you’re looking for something reasonable, cost effective, and a lot of fun, that makes all [00:51:00] the right noises, maybe divert your attention over there. Not trying to take anybody away from Porsches and Ferraris, a nicely redone C2 Stingray. I mean, I’m not looking for a split window here.

It’s not a bad car, right? No, no it isn’t. They’re great. That’s the, you’re exactly right. That’s where having the conversation with the individual and really getting down to Brass tack with them and really kind of making ’em see some things and having an honest conversation with them. My goal is to make them happy.

I want them to be, to have that purchase, cuz one, I want them, if they ever come to sell or wanna buy another card, I want them to come back to. . But two, I also want them to tell their friends cuz they’re gonna be involved in clubs area with that. Someone’s talking to ’em, say, Hey, I’m still gonna to buy a car.

You know, what’d you do? Hey, you wanna get ahold of William? You know, he’s gonna help me out immensely. That’s my goal. The plus side is yes, I get to make a living from, but I want them to be happy with. They need to have an honest conversation regardless what they wanna do with the car. You can have a lot of fun with the sixties, seventies, eighties car.

Look at the Fox body Mustangs. I had one. It was a lot of fun. It’s a [00:52:00] great car. You just gotta look at what’s out there availability wise, cuz a lot of these guys get very narrow blinders on it regards to what they think they’d have fun with, what they want. But then when you talk to ’em more, you start suggesting things and then they go, oh yeah, I didn’t even think about that.

Oh God, yeah, I remember that car. Oh, my buddy had one of those in high school. Yeah, that thing was great. It’s just having a conversation with them and just really getting them to see the whole market, what is out there, what you could do with something. So you hear that listener’s. William is the living, breathing version of our, what should I buy?

Episodes he embodies Why we have those episodes and we’ll put a pin on that because maybe he’ll be a special guest on a future. What should I buy? Episodes? So stay tuned for that. But I do wanna ask you any tips or tricks for buying collector cars both. For the newbie and the veteran collector, from your experience, things that you’ve just learned that are gotchas that you want to pass down to folks, buy the best thing you can afford is basically it.

I mean, going out there thinking you’re gonna find, [00:53:00] grandma’s got her son’s car that was unfortunately killed in Vietnam. It’s been sitting there for 40 years, it’s got 1500 miles, actually bought it right before he got shipped out, and those days are long and gone stealing something from under. And to me, I don’t like that.

I just think that’s just unfair and it just doesn’t disservice to the industry itself, you know, and it’s not fair to the seller, it’s not fair to the buyer. I’m a very honest, straight shooting person. If I approach someone about a car that I, I’m looking forward to someone. And I think it’s underpriced.

I’ll tell them, look, you know, this is a great car scraper. I’m gonna tell you right now, you know, you should be asking a little bit more money for this. They appreciate that honesty and being straightforward with ’em about it. If you go to an auction, you’re looking through it, you know, you might be able to sneak something out of there that’s like one of the last five cars going across and everyone’s left, or it’s one of the first couple cars got across and no one’s there.

You might in a blue moon, come across something like, You know, rummage through all the places you can find cars that are for sale. You might find something that’s a diamond in the rough. You know, [00:54:00] Hey, I bought it for five grand. If I put another five grand into it, hey, it might be worth 15 grand. It just needs a little tlc, needs a little engine work.

Just a tune up, this and that. A solid, good detail job does miracles for a car. I tell people say, look, yeah, you can do it yourself, but if you really want it done right, spend the 500 800 bucks and have a professional. Inside out. The difference is night and day compared to what it’s getting. All swarm marks like that.

It’s well worth it. Especially if it’s a car. You plan to keep it, you know, even if you go up to say, spending the two grand, getting a detailed ceramic coated ppf, the whole nine yards, maintain it and keep it, it’s well worth that investment in that car. Especially if you know you’re gonna keep it. The barn fine days are gone.

Find something along those. Internet, everything like that, you know, those things came across. All of a sudden everyone was out there trying to look. You seeing the guys taking drones out, going in the middle of Nebraska, flying a drone around all the farms, trying to see if they see a car sitting somewhere.

You know, those kind of things. Yeah, you might find something here and there, but this day and age, that person knows what they have in the garage, unfortunately. So like you mentioned before, [00:55:00] bring a trailer, made someone think a car that’s worth 10 grand, they think it’s worth 20. It’s like, oh, that just sold for this.

It’s like, it’s not the same car. , same thing with auction. Go, a car goes through and then someone says, Hey, I just saw that go on Barrett Jackson, you know, in Arizona the other month, and I had that same car. And I think it’s, no, you don’t have the same. There’s a big difference between your Camaro and the Yako Camaro that went across that auction line.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And sometimes the person won’t listen and it’s like, all right, I just wanted to help have fun, you know, go at it. But sometimes you know, the person will listen too. So it’s kind of both sides of the coin. Well, William, Any shout outs, promotions, or anything else you’d like to share that we didn’t cover thus far?

Hit me up and check out the Fach Porsche website. It’s very minimal in regards to what you can see, but hey, if you’re interested in some information, I can send it out to you. If you got any questions, you know, just uh, shoot me an email. William fach porsche.com. Keeping transactions out of the public eye increases the value of your collectible so that you get the most [00:56:00] value for the few and not the many.

That’s the world of bespoke car collecting. That’s the world that William Ross comes from to learn more about Fach. Be sure to log on to www.fachporsche.com and to get in contact with William. You can reach him via LinkedIn or email him@williamfachporsche.com. So William, I cannot thank you enough for coming on the show and talking about, you know, your corner of the automotive and motorsports world.

I mean, we talk to all sorts of different people on this show. But it takes all of us to continue to keep these gears turning and you’re a part of that larger equation. So thanks for giving us some insight, some tips on collecting cars, and to come check out the newest, hottest bespoke car on the market if you aach Porsche, it’s been great.

I really appreciate you having me on the show. It’s been a lot of fun. And like you said before, you never know. You might hear from me again on the show.

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