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New Book by Preston Lerner – Coming Soon!

The Deadliest Decade transports readers back to the most perilous era in the history of auto racing, when the pursuit of speed outpaced the science of survival. Starting in the mid-1960s, an unprecedented infusion of money from corporate  sponsorship and fierce manufacturer rivalries funded groundbreaking technology ranging from aerodynamics to turbocharging. In Formula 1, Indy cars, NASCAR, and drag racing, speeds skyrocketed to levels unimaginable only a few years earlier, even as manifestly lethal tracks remained unchanged, and safety issues were ignored. The inevitable result was a staggering loss of life—nearly 1,400 racers and spectators killed during the ten-year stretch from 1964 to 1973. You can check out an except from the book, on the podcast episode below.

Drawing on the firsthand recollections of survivors from this period, each chapter of the book examines a pivotal moment, technological innovation, or catastrophic event, from the critical role television played in broadening the audience for racing to the botched rescue efforts that prompted international outrage after Roger Williamson’s death during the Dutch Grand Prix in 1973. But the overarching theme is how a handful of visionaries, led by Jackie Stewart, refused to accept the carnage as business as usual. Safety became not only a stated goal but also the foundation of a new industry that introduced fire suits, full-face helmets, fuel cells, and other protective gear that forever changed the sport.

The Deadliest Decade is a powerful and unflinching account of how racing confronted its own mortality—and how the growing emphasis on safety helped transform the dangerous, low-budget sport of the ’60s into today’s lucrative business entertainment leviathan.

With an official publication date of July 7, 2026, The Deadliest Decade is available for preorder now from Octane Press.
To reserve advance copies or discuss excerpts for publication, please contact Jo Snyder at jo@octanepress.com or
1.512.507.7867.

Title: The Deadliest Decade
Subtitle: How Speed, Money, and Technology Transformed Auto Racing
Author: Preston Lerner
ISBN: 9781642341843
Publication Date: July 7, 2026
Format: 6 x 9 in., Jacketed Hardcover
Pages: 496
Retail Price: $39.95
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About the Author

Preston Lerner is a former daily newspaper reporter and longtime feature writer whose work has appeared in publications ranging from Wired and the New York Times Magazine to Sports Illustrated and Men’s Journal. He contributed for many years to Automobile Magazine and Road & Track and has written seven books—Shelby American: The Renegades Who Built the Cars, Won the Races, and Lived the Legend; Scarab: Race Log of the All-American Specials; Winning: The Racing Life of Paul Newman (with coauthor Matt Stone);

History’s Greatest Automotive Mysteries, Myths, and Rumors Revealed (also with Matt Stone); Speed Read Ferrari: The History, Technology and Design Behind Italy’s Legendary Automaker; and Ford GT: How Ford Silenced the Critics, Humbled Ferrari and Won Le Mans. (tune in below).

He’s also the author of a novel, Fools on the Hill. Racing has been his lifelong passion, as a fan, as a journalist covering the sport, and as a participant—of absolutely no distinction—competing in SCCA club races. Praise for Preston Lerner:

  • “Lerner is an inspired writer, a wordsmith who never muddles a thought with a cliche, just his original storytelling.” —San Diego Union-Tribune
  • “Preston is not a race reporter. He approaches racing history as if pursuing an unorthodox PhD, yet he has the honed talents of a man who has been published over the past three decades in most of America’s top-flight men’s magazines. He can spin a tale.” —Forbes
  • “Lerner does an excellent job of dovetailing development with racing.” —Motor Sport

About Octane Press

Octane Press has published more than 200 books since 2010, won forty independent book awards, and reached more than one million readers. Social Media Handles for Octane Press: Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest: @octanepress | Instagram: @octane_press | YouTube, LinkedIn: Octane Press

The Concours at Benedict Castle

Sometimes the word concours means a contest to determine which car is the most original, so it doesn’t quite fit this show. This event is more of a competition among customizers — some as famous as Chip Foose, others not famous at all but highly skilled. One minute you’re looking at a Mercedes 540K, and the next you’re staring at a chopped and channeled ’50 Ford.

Photo by Wallace Wyss

We really have to get out front with our admiration for the ’50 Ford shown here. True, it lost its Ford‑ish interior, but the great thing is that whoever customized it seemed to draw inspiration from British postwar sports cars. It struck us as what a Ford low‑rider custom might look like if it had been built by Rolls‑Royce.

I overheard the owner saying over one million dollars has been spent on this car — and I believe it.

  • Photo by Wallace Wyss
  • Photo by Wallace Wyss
  • Photo by Wallace Wyss

Mind‑blowing now (and even more so if you imagine it in the ’50s) is the Manta Ray, built by Dean Jeffries, who not only created customs but also movie‑prop cars — and even drove them in some films. The Manta Ray might shock European car fans: it’s actually a 1940s Maserati race car rebodied by Jeffries to his own design. The bubble top was space‑age in its time. The Cobra‑ized engine was provided by Shelby, who traded it for a race‑equipped Cobra V8 with Webers.

  • Photo by Wallace Wyss
  • Photo by Wallace Wyss

Also interesting was a new electric sports car brought by two inventors who previously worked for Tesla and Rivian — so they know their electrics. Pete Brock consulted on the car. Gary Wales, California’s biggest fan of Britain, brought one of his many fire trucks. His cars — particularly Bentleys — have won awards at Pebble Beach, but he prefers customs.

Photo by Wallace Wyss

Now, being a longtime classic‑car buff — Wallace here — it’s hard to explain the lure of an early‑’70s Impala convertible. But that’s because, back in their original days as stock cars, I never saw them lowered and fitted with really deep‑dish, very tall wheels. They bring out and complement the shape of the car, and they make you wonder whether the design might have stayed in production longer if it had originally been styled around wheels like that more than half a century ago.

The show occupies at least two acres of hilly terrain, so it’s an up‑and‑down trek to see it all, but we were in shape to tackle it. It’s one of the lowest‑cost concours spectator fees in California — around $20 — and all for charity. The castle is used to help young people whose lives have been imperiled by alcohol and drugs.

Photo by Wallace Wyss

This show is famous for having personalities you’ve heard of. Chip Foose — whose shop does full customs — was there, and it’s amazing to think he left the auto industry to go out on his own. Then there was Pete Brock, now well into his 80s, who designed the Cobra Daytona Coupe in ’64 for Shelby. His booth was right across from an Orange County firm selling replica Cobras — even Daytona Coupes.

There were tours of the castle, but we didn’t avail ourselves — too busy looking at cars. Overall, I’d say the Benedict Castle Concours appeals more to hot‑rodders and customizers, but there are enough original cars to please both groups.


EDITOR’S NOTE: Wallace Wyss welcomes news of galleries who would consider consigning Ferrari art. He can be reached at photojournalistpro2@gmail.com

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Ricky Taylor on Le Mans: Lessons, Legacy, and the Loneliness of the Night Shift

For more than a century, the 24 Hours of Le Mans has stood as the ultimate test of endurance, precision, and resilience. Few American drivers understand that challenge as intimately as Ricky Taylor, who has made nine appearances at the legendary Circuit de la Sarthe since 2013. In a recent Evening With a Legend session, Taylor opened up about his earliest memories of the race, the cultural differences between IMSA and WEC, and the emotional weight of competing on motorsport’s biggest stage.

What emerged was a portrait of a driver shaped by family legacy, sharpened by global competition, and still hungry for the victory that has eluded him.

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Taylor’s first exposure to Le Mans came long before he ever turned a lap there. In 2001, he traveled to France with his brother Jordan and their mother to watch their father, Wayne Taylor, compete in the Cadillac LMP900 program. “It was our first time to France… and our first Father’s Day together,” Ricky recalled. “The scale of the event was just shocking.” The chateau lodging, the logistics, the sheer size of the paddock — it all left a mark. Even the rivalries were memorable: as kids, the Taylors viewed Butch Leitzinger as “the enemy” simply because he kept winning.

Synopsis

This episode of Evening With A Legend features endurance driver Ricky Taylor talking about his Le Mans experiences, from attending in 2001 with his father (Wayne Taylor) to racing there from 2013 onward. Ricky describes the event’s scale, the track’s dusty first laps, narrow roads, tricky slow corners, night-time loneliness, and the WEC vs IMSA differences in culture, rules, and precision.

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He explains Le Mans’ low-energy surface and long tire life, plus how top-level simulators and Michelin tire models aid preparation. Ricky also reviews Wayne Taylor Racing Cadillac’s recent Le Mans effort, including qualifying pace, missing Hyperpole, and an engine failure, and reflects on racing with his brother Jordan and teammate Filipe Albuquerque. He discusses Jackie Chan’s LMP2 program, LMP2’s competitiveness, Garage 56’s Camaro impact, Cadillac’s 2026 F1 plans, and goals to improve after a difficult season.

  • What was your first impression when you arrived at Le Mans and experienced the event’s scale and atmosphere compared to other endurance races?
  • How did racing at Le Mans differ from your experiences in IMSA, both in terms of competition and overall race dynamics?
  • Can you describe the feeling of driving through the night at Le Mans, especially on the Mulsanne Straight at top speed?
  • How did you prepare for the unique demands of a 24-hour race like Le Mans, both physically and mentally?
  • What were some of the biggest challenges you faced—either technical or mental—during your Le Mans campaigns?
  • Were there any memorable moments or turning points in your Le Mans appearances that still stand out to you today?
  • In your opinion – How can we get some more love for LMP-2 (seems to have the least amount of coverage on TV).
  • How does the teamwork dynamic differ when competing with an international crew or manufacturer on the global stage?
  • Having covered races in both prototype and GT categories, how did the different classes shape your experience and approach to the race?

Transcript

Crew Chief Brad: [00:00:00] Evening With a Legend is a series of presentations exclusive to legends of the famous 24 hours of lamont giving us an opportunity to bring a piece of Le Mans to you. By sharing stories and highlights of the big event, you get a chance to become part of the Legend of Le Mans with guests from different eras of over 100 years of racing.

Crew Chief Eric: Tonight we have an opportunity to bring a piece of Le Mans to you sharing in the Legend of Le Mans with guests from different eras of over 100 years of racing. And as your host, I’m delighted to introduce. Ricky Taylor, one of America’s leading endurance talents. He has made nine appearances at the 24 hours of Le Manss since 2013, showcasing his precision, speed, and composure competing against some of the world’s best drivers in both [00:01:00] prototype and GT categories.

Known for his technical feedback and strategic awareness. He’s carried his ims a success to the global endurance scene consistently delivering competitive performances at Le Mans. Though victory has remained elusive. Ricky Taylor’s appearances at the fame circuit D Losar underscore his standing as a world-class endurance racer, capable of thriving under the immense pressure and complexity that defined the 24 Hour Classic.

And with that, I’m your host crew chief Eric from the Motoring Podcast Network, welcoming everyone to this evening with a legend. So Ricky, welcome to the show.

Ricky Taylor: Yeah, thank you very much. What a great intro. Thank you.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, like all good stories, there’s a superhero origin. So take us back to the mid two thousands and to your first time at Le Mans.

Tell us about your first impression when you got there, what the experience was like, the scale, the atmosphere compared to all the other endurance and sports car racing you’d been doing up until that point.

Ricky Taylor: That would be with my dad, I guess. So Jordan, mom and I all going over to watch Dad in 2001 with the second [00:02:00] iteration of the.

Olympian, 900 Cadillac, and I think it was our first time to France actually. So that was maybe a big part of it. Big memory was, wow, they stay in a chateau for a race weekend. And you know, there’s just so, so much goes into it. It wasn’t just, you know, we’d been to Daytona and Sebring and all the American races quite a few times, but it was such a different scale of a race weekend.

Just from the logistics of getting the team there to the amount of time that we noticed Dad was away for that one. I think that was our first Father’s Day together, because father’s day’s always around La MAs. So the big thing that jumped out to us was, was really the scale of the event and, uh, how many people put so much into it.

Crew Chief Eric: So that 2001 Cadillac, he would’ve raced with another legend we had on the show. He would’ve been there with Butch Leisinger, right?

Ricky Taylor: Yeah, that’s true. Butch Leisinger was in the other car. And Butch Leisinger was always the enemy. To the Taylor, to the Taylor kids because he was always winning. Whether he was with Dyson or Cadillac there, or Bentley, he was always such a strong competitor.

So until we met him, [00:03:00] Butch Leisinger was the enemy. And then once you meet him, he’s just the nicest person ever. And we became fans of his, obviously, but yeah. Yeah, he was in another, he was in the other Cadillac.

Crew Chief Eric: So fast forward a little bit from 2001 to 2013 ish to your first time at Le Mans. Your brother had already been there in 2012 racing for Corvette.

What was it like turning laps at Le Mans for the first time?

Ricky Taylor: Everybody talks about, you know, the challenge of the race track and there’s a few tracks around the world where people really put it on a different pedestal. Bathurst is one of them. Indianapolis is one of them, and Le Mans is one of them. I’d say those are three of the big ones.

You know, maybe, uh. Macau for Open Wheel Guys is a, is a big one. You really can’t give yourself perspective until you’ve been there. And I think the thing that’s important is to remember that it’s a street course and the first laps that you turn the track is incredibly dusty and it reminds you of, of the first laps at Detroit or Long Beach or any of those street courses where there’s dust flying and the trek has next to zero grip and you’re gaining [00:04:00] four or five seconds of lap.

As the track evolves and it was just a shock of, firstly the speed of the L MP one cars. I had mostly prototype experience where I’m not used to being passed and I was in A-G-T-E-M class car in the Corvette and seeing the l MP one in the big hybrid era days come by, but when I’m in first second gear coming out of, let’s say Mosan corner, and they’re already, you know, doing 180 miles per hour, uh, when the front hybrid kicks in.

So that was very eyeopening, a whole different sense of awareness. That I needed to have. And then moving to the race, it was classic Le Mansr completely soaking wet for basically 24 hours. I got my real taste of my first Le Mans and it’s sort of how it, how it goes there sometimes.

Crew Chief Eric: So had you done any racing in Europe before this point?

Ricky Taylor: I’d driven in Europe, test some things, but never raced. The only race I’d done outside of America was a go-kart race in Brazil and I did a V eight supercars race in Australia and that was it basically.

Crew Chief Eric: So having focused your career mostly in imsa, how do you compare [00:05:00] that experience at LA MA to everything you had learned Stateside, you know, driving in IMSA and A LMS and those programs?

Ricky Taylor: It’s definitely culturally different when you go to an IMSA race. Something as simple as the paddock layout, interestingly enough, can change the culture of the weekend. So we work out of trailers. The tents off the side of the truck and sort of a common eating area for everybody and it creates a really nice camaraderie between the teams and drivers.

And you see people and you talk and very warm feeling when you race in Europe or the whole we season, they’re out of garages and so they go from their hospitality to the garage, to the race car, and you never go outside of your little world. You never talk to anybody. It’s very business-minded. And that sort of translates to the on-track product as well.

SA is very raw and hard close racing with full course yellows. And the way that the racing is formatted by the rules lends itself to aggressive racing because you have to fight for track position, most importantly, where in whack it’s very pure. They don’t have as many [00:06:00] mechanisms to bring the field together.

And every second counts where, you know, you could say you’re racing hard in imsa, but you have to race really precisely in whack, and it’s very unforgiving. So a mistake that you make, an hour one at LA Mall, you may never get it back. Whether it was the single safety car era or the three safety car era or slow zones or whatever it is.

You really rarely get it back and we, so that makes it very challenging from that side.

Crew Chief Eric: Let’s talk a little bit more about the racing at Le Mans, especially at night. Everybody seems to be fascinated about what it’s like to drive and your, the way your brother described it was after a while cars drop out and DNF people space apart and pit strategies and pit cycles.

He was like, it feels like you’re driving. Down the highway to nowhere for a very long time. You end up being by yourself at night. Is that true? Even in the LMP two cars?

Ricky Taylor: Yeah, it is. One thing Ford versus Ferrari did well is like that sense of loneliness. I feel like although they were going down a much longer moan straight, that sense of just sort of being [00:07:00] alone, I think they captured that quite well.

I think you’re spot on there. You get into the rhythm at night and it does space out. And especially when you’re in the faster class and you see everybody see the GT cars coming and you get that bit of a rhythm going. And I, I guess, like I alluded to earlier, it’s a lot more like qualifying laps, you know, watching the fuel burn down.

You’re saving the tires in the first half of the stent and then you push a little bit more in the, as the fuel burns and you can use a bit of the tire, you settle into three, maybe four stints on a tire at a time, which. We never do in America. Uh, we may double stick once, but because Le Mans is such low energy trek, the tires last forever.

So that alone makes it quite not monotonous, but repetitive and sort of emphasizes, you know, doing a good job corner after corner, lap after lap.

Crew Chief Eric: What do you do to stay and focus? Do you have your engineer talking to you the whole time you listen to an audio book? What are you doing to stay awake?

Ricky Taylor: Yeah, I think luckily we’re all very competitively minded people, so there’s not only somebody to chase.

You may never catch them and the guy behind you may never catch you at the start of the race. Everybody’s [00:08:00] watching the TVs, everybody’s watching the timing. You’re fighting over little inches spaces here and there, and at night you kind of settle into the rhythm of I’m gonna do my turn good of a job as I can do, give it to the next guy.

And we’re just gonna sort of wind the clock down. But at the same time, obviously doing the best job you can, ’cause it counts, but it feels like you’re just kind of doing your turn sometimes. And so you’re putting the work in and, and trying to keep the car clean and safe.

Crew Chief Eric: So let’s take the veil of nighttime off of the lap.

And for those that watched the race religiously at home, like I’ve done for many, many, many years since I was a little kid, I didn’t have a really good perspective of the track until I got to do some VIP laps. It was surprisingly narrow and surprisingly tight. And some of those corners like aaj and Mosan are extremely slow.

Was that a shocker for you too? Is it always a surprise when you get there compared to the rhythm of some of the US tracks, like a Watkins Glen or a road Atlanta that have, you know, that natural terrain and, and that movement to them?

Ricky Taylor: And I’m glad you mentioned those two [00:09:00] corners because they are such slow speed corners and Lamont gets a reputation for being such a high speed track.

And that’s what makes those corners so difficult is ’cause you’re going so fast for so long, you lose a sense of. Speed. You rely a lot on your, on your references as far as you know, breaking references and things and where you are. I think back in the day before the chicanes, having that hump in the straight actually told them, okay, moan corner’s coming up.

But for us, we can see it much easier. But losing that sense of speed, I’d say you lose that sense of speed at Lamont more than other tracks. So it’s very easy to. Overshoot those low speed corners or just sort of misjudge the speed where I feel like usually drivers have a very good gauge for that, but it’s a little hard to sort of, I guess, calibrate that in there and you’ll see a lot of people go off in, in those two places.

Crew Chief Eric: I also found myself screaming at the television less. In the sense that it’s like, just pass him, just go on tv. It looks like it. There’s all the room in the world, but it’s actually, it’s a two lane country road. There really isn’t the space to make some of the maneuvers, you know, with the fisheye [00:10:00] lenses that we’re looking at the world through when we see it on the broadcast.

Ricky Taylor: Yeah, it’s, it’s interesting, you know, plank wear has been in the news in F1 recently, and we struggle with the same thing and the prototypes wearing the plank is, is. Critical part to, you know, performance. We wanna run the car low and for the drivers preserving that. And the unique thing about Le Mans is the road is very crowned.

So like you said, you, you’re yelling at people to go. And it’s funny, when you watch cars going down the straight, you won’t see a lot of three wide. And if they do go three wide, nobody picks the dead center of the road. The car is just high sided on the crown of the road. You know, a car will pick a lane and then somebody will go off the track, you know, into that sort of green runoff if they go through wide.

It’s kind of a funny game. Everybody knows what the good parts of the race track are and they try not to give that up. But like you kind of hinted, it sometimes changes the way that, that you race the track a little bit.

Crew Chief Eric: So when your brother was here, it was just before this year’s 24 hours of Le Mans, and he was talking about getting prepped and simulation time, and I think [00:11:00] you both were slated to do some time on the Sims.

So let’s talk a little bit more about how you guys prepare both mentally and physically for such a long race, whether it’s this one or Rolex for that matter.

Ricky Taylor: Yeah, I’d say mentally Le Mans is very difficult. Just back to the monotony of it, how much you have to get in the rhythm. So mentally you don’t have those guys to race all the time.

Where Daytona Sebring, you’re always racing somebody head to head, you know, on the track, and it’s just a constant battle. Where at Le Mans, that constant qualifying lap sort of mentality really wears you down. But to your question on preparation, I wouldn’t say that we do anything differently. Physically, mentally, you know, you might do a bit more sim work or I got a little sort of a game on my computer that works on focus and attention and I do that year round, but you know, might ramp it up a little bit for LA Mall.

Simple things like, like heat training or, or things don’t hurt. It’s obviously not super hot there, but the simulator’s sort of the big one. We use the simulator in Indianapolis, the Del la simulator, [00:12:00] and then they’ve got a twin and it’s leaf for the European drivers. We do a lot of pre and post work. So pre Le Mans, I think we did four days in the US one and four days in the Italian one.

They had a lot of data from the previous two years working through set up ideas and hiring models just to see how close we can get it. And since it was our first time, we had a lot to learn as a team. And then after LA Ma correlating the tire again because we had different compounds and making sure everything makes sense with our OnTrack data.

So when we go back it will be even that much better.

Crew Chief Eric: So I know it’s not a fair comparison, but last year I got to try Dara’s Simulator at PRI, which is not the same as what you’re using, but I noted the software was different. I believe they were using a highly modified version of something like a set of Corsa versus, you know, max versus Stoppen is practicing on iRacing or whatever it is because Le Mans doesn’t exist in every piece of software.

Do you happen to know like what the sim is that the Dara hardware runs on?

Ricky Taylor: Yeah, they use Ractor Pro. [00:13:00] So Ractor does all the track scans and even the base vehicle model comes from that. And then they build off of that. The biggest component is the tire model, and each manufacturer licenses Michelin to build their specific tire model.

And so that costs a good fortune. Uh, I think for, for that. ’cause each manufacturer has a, their own Michelin representative, and they’re a Michelin engineer that. Isn’t sharing any of his tricks with the other Michelin guy in other camps, and he is responsible to build as good of a tire model as possible for your specific car.

So that’s where a lot of the development goes. But the base of it is, is our factor,

Crew Chief Eric: obviously on super high end equipment like de LA’s. The difference between virtual and reality probably isn’t very big anymore compared to the commercial stuff or the things you can buy at home. But is there still a moment when you’re on this?

Sim where you realize I’m playing a game. It’s not quite like this in real life.

Ricky Taylor: I think the closer you get to [00:14:00] reality they almo, the more difficult it gets to make it realistic. So when you talk about things like the track scan is, is probably the easiest thing to get right. There’s a bump here, the curb does this.

The check goes this direction. Those are all sort of the easier things to get right. I’d say as you get more detailed, you know, building a static tire model is easy, but when the car slides, what happens in reality, the tire overheats and then the grip drops and that compounds on itself. So modeling that becomes very difficult and oftentimes when you’re trying to model that, you make it less accurate.

While it’s highly accurate and it’s a great tool, it’s easy to get lost and easy to lose your direction as well. So luckily, there’s a really smart group of guys that do this stuff, and I think it’s also about the teams and drivers understanding where the value is and how to use it properly and not trust certain things too much.

Crew Chief Eric: Since Jordan was here before the 24, there was a lot of hype and a lot of excitement and a lot of hope for [00:15:00] Team Cadillac this year. So now that you’re here, let’s do a little postmortem. Let’s talk about what happened at Le Mans.

Ricky Taylor: Oh boy. Again, it was our first time there as a team that was super exciting. I think everybody had been looking forward to this and brand new car for the mall, and everybody was going into it as a learning experience.

I don’t think anybody in the team had expectations to do anything crazy. Uh, obviously Jota was their first year with the Cadillac as well, but they have a great history at Le Mans, almost winning overall in LMP two one year and having some really strong runs in the Porsche 9 6 3 as well. And then Action Express was the only one returning in the same situation.

And then when Jota got the poll and Jack and the Action Express Car actually did the fastest lapping in qualifying, the expectations became a little different. Obviously we just missed hyper pole. I actually made a mistake exit the Porsche curves that cost the transferred time. Otherwise, I think we wouldn’t have been fighting for pole, but I think we would’ve been in hyper pole at least, which would’ve been a, a pretty neat [00:16:00] thing for the team.

But everybody has excuses. And then moving to the race, it was sort of getting to the point where we were gonna settle in and into that night phase where you were talking about just sort of settling in. We’d lost some track position early, but continuing to click collapse and and work our way through, and then US and Action Express have engine failure.

You know, that was basically it. And Philippe tells the story really well. He’s like, you realize how big Le Mans is? It took him like two hours to get back to the pit lane. On some guy’s scooter from parking, the parking the car in a field. He said he feels like he was a World War II behind enemy line, sort of, uh, or he parked the car.

And so that was the end of the race and I was actually sleeping when, when it happened. Yeah. Jordan woke me up and it was a shame ’cause I think finishing that race. Unlike some other ones, finishing it is is quite an accomplishment. So that was a real shame for the team.

Crew Chief Eric: You and your brother have raced together many times over the years, but this was the first time you’d raced together at Le Mans, obviously under your dad’s banner, Wayne Taylor Racing.

What was it like? [00:17:00] The whole family at Le Mans?

Ricky Taylor: It was really cool. And like you said, my dad as well. When Jordan went to Le Mans for the first time, I went to watch and he was driving for the Corvette factory team. It was a big deal, and they’re in the same Corvette hospitality. Now that we’re going first full circle that we went to in 2001, it didn’t change a bit.

It was the exact same building, the same catering, everything from 2001 until 2012. And then when we went back. This year we were sharing it with, you know, the whole family together. And it was a new hospitality. It was actually the same real estate, but doing it all together with a lot of the same people, especially for my dad.

Uh, a good sort of check on the, the life bucket list that we all could do it together. And for me to see it through Jordan’s eyes. ’cause he’s obviously had much more success in Le Mansr than I have. And to be sharing the car with him and. And get his, his inputs and things as well as Philippe also winning in his class at Le Mans.

So I was the one trying to learn as much as I could.

Crew Chief Eric: So, Ricky, you’ve [00:18:00] mentioned some memorable moments as we’ve been talking here. I wanna pull one thread out of your driver career at Le Mans, and that’s racing for Jackie Chan. In the LMP two program. So what was that like? What was Jackie’s involvement? I mean, we were rooting for it going Jackie Chan, this is awesome, right?

I mean he’s done a lot of car related movie Thunderbolt and you know, Cannonball and stuff like that. But what was it like being part of that team

Ricky Taylor: That was so cool. So that year Jackie Chan was supporting Team Jota at the time for the full, we season with two orcas and then Lee had two entries as well and they ended up partnering with.

Jackie Chan, dc racing at the time, and I was in one of Thes. You know, I’ve been in quite a revolving door of drives over the years, so it was just a contact that I’d had and he asked me to do them on. Uh, of course I said yes. And so it was in a leisure, not one of the orcas, and I never got to meet Jackie Chan.

I was so excited to meet him. Obviously I grew up watching Rush Hour and all of his movies, and I couldn’t wait to meet him. And I guess [00:19:00] I might be wrong on this. But I think David Chang, who was running the team at the time, his family’s involved with the university in China, and Jackie Chan supports a film school there.

And that partnership became a racing partnership. I don’t know the behind the scenes, but I never got to meet him, most importantly for me. Uh, and uh, it was cool. It was cool to, to be involved with that though. And, uh. Program was super successful. Just to be alongside all those people was, was really good.

And I got to drive with Km Lagar and he was a really good teammate, so I, I learned a bit from him and still watching him, him racing, GT GT stuff now.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, it’s a good segue to talk a little bit more about LMP two. I’ve made this comment many times before that LMP two doesn’t seem to get enough love, especially on television.

How do we fix that? Why is that? I mean, you guys are out there, you know, racing as hard as you can. It is a little bit of a spec series in some respects, but there’s good racing going on there. How do we get more people [00:20:00] engaged and excited about LMP two?

Ricky Taylor: Yeah, you gotta have Philippe on here ’cause Brendan’s been our teammate for the long distance races for a few years.

Met Brendan Hartley and obviously he is an overall winner at LA Mall, uh, with Toyota and Felipe is a winner in AY two with United Auto Sports. And they talk about their wins. And Philippe has always given him a hard time about his Toyota wins, that you didn’t have to beat anybody and he beat 22 guys on track, uh, like in the class.

And it’s alter ultra competitive. And I think within the sport everybody watches L MP two, they’re hiring such good drivers. The teams have refined those cars to the nth degree, and the racing is is super close and exciting. A really strong deep field that you really don’t know who’s gonna win. To answer your question, I don’t know how to sell it anymore.

I think if the cameras were on them more, I think you’d see some unbelievable racing. Obviously the hypercar class is what it is now. It’s, it’s incredible. But yeah, I think everybody’s sleeping on Olympia two in general. When you [00:21:00] watch those races and you put yourself in one of those cars, you could really appreciate the the level that’s being raced over there.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, you hit on an important point there because we’re starting to see a lot of growth in what used to be LMP one, GTP, hypercar, whatever you wanna call it. Now, as a result of more and more brands coming online, whether it’s Ford or Hyundai, with the New Genesis and all these other cars that are coming into that class, is that gonna force LMP two to get smaller, do you think?

Ricky Taylor: I think it’s a political question. That’s the way that it looks like it would go naturally. It’s like you have these high paying manufacturers that are spending tens and tens of millions of dollars to race in the top class and, and then you’ve got a customer backed class that the harder sell. I don’t know if that’s the way it’s gonna go.

Sports, car racing, as we all know. Very cyclical. So this golden era is not gonna last. And the days of, you know, needing LMP two to support our racing world is, is gonna come back. So, yeah, I don’t know. That’s a tough question. I wish we could just keep adding garages at La Mo ’cause [00:22:00] I think it would be a shame to eliminate, you know, such a great historic class.

Crew Chief Eric: Speaking of adding garages, garage 56. Take us to 2023. Obviously your brother was directly involved with that. What are your thoughts on the Camaro and the American Pride and all the things we saw alongside of the hundredth being a big to do

Ricky Taylor: that was so cool? As an American going to LA Mall, there’s a bit of a stereotype to it.

Like, oh, an American and LA Ma doesn’t really fit. We’re so far outside of our comfort zone from the outside. To us, it’s just another, it’s another big race, but then that just took it to the max, I think. You take everything that’s American and you put it on track, a loud, you know, V eight nascar, any American driver, an American team, very American team doing NASCAR style pit stops.

It was a proud moment, I think, to see the reception that it got. I was super proud. I loved the pit stop competition in Le Mansr. I’ve never watched it as intently. It was that year. And to see the, the NASCAR crew go and beat right at the top, I think they turned a lot of heads. ’cause the teams [00:23:00] really put a lot into that.

So yeah, it was a proud moment and it’s cool to see the notoriety that it’s getting. Even still Jordan’s getting requests to do things here and there for us, so it’s nice to see.

Crew Chief Eric: Was there ever a moment when you were out there, whether it was qualifying or practice, when you looked in the rear view mirror and you went.

That’s a GT car coming up really fast and your eyes get big and go, wait, no, that’s Jensen. In a Camaro, their closing speed was insane,

Ricky Taylor: especially year after year. When the, when the rules are quite consistent, year on year, you really get into a rhythm of, okay, if I catch a GT here, I’m gonna pass ’em by here, or I see him up, he is, you know, going into Porsche Curves and I’m coming out of Arage.

You pretty much get an idea of where you’re gonna catch him and pass ’em, and you get that rhythm. And with the garage 56 car, you had to throw all that out the window because you could catch ’em into the Ford ccan and you wouldn’t pass ’em by turn one. ’cause that drag from the exit of Ford to D one was way faster than anything else out there.

And like you said, the light, like you’d see the lights and you’re like, why am I not [00:24:00] pulling away from this guy?

Crew Chief Eric: You mentioned Philippe Albuquerque, one of your longtime teammates in many series. You guys have raced together. Having him with you at Le Mans, how does that change the dynamic of your team of teamwork?

You know, competing at that international level. Kind of give us an insight of what it’s like in the pits and the orchestration that it takes to, you know, complete a 24 hour race.

Ricky Taylor: Specifically about Philippe. The last time he was at Le Mans in the top class was in the Audi LMP one, and. That is one of the proudest times of his career.

I think he, he reached the pinnacle for any driver getting to be involved in that program and his teammates with Tom Christensen and, and all the, the legends Frank Belo was, was around and Dido Capella was around like all of the guys that were all fans of, he was in that program. So really cool. And he is got so many stories.

So now when we went to a hybrid platform. He had a lot more knowledge than the rest of us. He had a big head start from being in, in that [00:25:00] world. So when it came to energy management or how to strategize, deploying and regen and how we do all that stuff, he had a really good perspective of it. ’cause he, he’d raced it before his year at Le Mans.

He didn’t actually race his car and crashed before he got in the car. So to him, he felt like he had some unfinished business and he wanted to get back and be in the top class. And so to share that with him was really special for me. We have a great relationship and we’ve been together for quite a few years now.

Just to go there with him. He was loving every second of it, walking through the hospitality. He is like, everything feels right. Everything in the world feels, feels right that he we’re here together and racing in the top class. So

Crew Chief Eric: it’s funny you mentioned that because as racers. We have a tendency to learn from each other.

It’s a very collaborative environment. Hey, this is how I take this corner. This is maybe where you can save a couple tenths and scrape us some feet. If you’re coming to the table going, I know everything. Well, there’s faster guys. Right. So that being said, Philippe, all this experience, what do you think is the most important thing that he shared with you or that you learned [00:26:00] from him and his driving style?

Ricky Taylor: So Felipe and I are, are very different people. He’s super confident, so we balance each other out. He is the first one to, to give his opinion. I’m very easily swayed, so I always feel like if somebody makes a good argument, I’m like, maybe they’re right. And I’m very open-minded. I never feel like I know more than anyone else where he’s taught me to trust myself, you know, push my opinion and believe in what I’m, what I’m selling driving wise.

He’s really detailed. We started off driving together. We did not like the same car at all, which in some senses is good in sports car racing because the track changes so much that at some point in the race one driver’s gonna like it and the other’s gonna hate it and vice versa. So sometimes that’s good.

And he sort of brought me closer to his direction, just a much more unstable car. I think that’s made me a better driver to be able to adapt more things. He came through a time when he was racing Reno, two liters and you know, you had very li limited setup [00:27:00] options and he had to really develop his driving style to drive around problems.

So those, those lessons. He passed on to me and that’s a way that we sort of brought each other along.

Crew Chief Eric: You mentioned something there without realizing, you mentioned it and I hear it’s a general complaint from a lot of the, let’s say, seasoned enthusiasts. That’s the term I want to use in that the cars are too reliable nowadays.

We’re hoping for something to break, to mix up the racing. Wouldn’t it be cool if they brought back manual transmissions, you know, if you missed a shift and over Revit, you know, like it was in the, in the golden era of endurance racing. Do you feel that way? Do you think the cars are too reliable in some ways?

Ricky Taylor: Yeah, I think the idea of it is cool, but I love the fact that you always have a chance that the racing is close. Maybe because I’m a driver, if I do a good job and my teammates do a good job and the team executes well, we should have a good result. Where if I’m a mechanic. Maybe I want the cars to be less reliable, so that might work and stand above the others because I believe in myself.

So from a driver’s perspective, I think I like where it is In terms of reliability, [00:28:00] the best drivers will still separate themselves in terms of we don’t have H pattern gear boxes, we have carbon brakes, we don’t have steel brakes. So we don’t have to say brakes, but on the flip side, because we don’t have those, those things that aren’t around anymore, we have a lot of systems changes that we can make.

We can change contraction control. We can change a lot of hybrid settings that change the handling of the car. We’ve got anti-roll bars that we can move active brake bias, brake bias, migration. All kinds of things that the driver can change in the car. Bandwidth that you have in your head can still separate yourself.

So I’d say if it becomes easy, then I would push it to where like you wanna make it difficult. So we’ve got different compounds of tires, none of them last perfectly forever at a stable rate. So there’s plenty of difficulty, I think, in the sport, and that’s a good thing, regardless of technology.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, Ricky, the audience chat is open and I got a couple.

Audience questions for you here, but we’re gonna start with this one. Even though you’re a driver, secretly, you’re probably rooting [00:29:00] for some team to win, not just your own. Let’s say maybe in the LMP one class or something like that. Has there been a particular mark that you’ve been rooting for in the background?

Ricky Taylor: And I’m sorry, in, uh, in whack.

Crew Chief Eric: You tell me.

Ricky Taylor: Okay. If I can’t pick Cadillac. After the year Toyota’s had, Brendan being in the Toyota, I feel so bad for them over there. I know they, they work hard and they’re such a strong team. They execute really well. I think they really deserve some good results. So I have to say, I, I’m cheering for Brendan mostly.

Uh, but that program, I feel like, you know, they’ve had a lot of success, but it’d be nice to see them get back on top.

Crew Chief Eric: So for you, is there a favorite race car? Of all time. Something you would love to get behind the wheel of. Maybe it’s something like Le Mans Classic or even one of the more current cars where it’s like, Hey, I’d love to get behind the wheel of the 4 9 9 p or something like that.

Ricky Taylor: I think a big one is the 9 6 2, but I don’t want to drive it. But for me, the one I would love to drive, uh, would be the Friday, 3 33. That’s sort of one of the first memories I have of my dad [00:30:00] racing properly and the sound of it. I just love that car. I had so much success back in the day, and I’d love to experience that.

Crew Chief Eric: Sam Victor writes, what’s the mindset preparing as a driver? Switching between cars, for example, switching from driving a GT car to a prototype or even a streetcar on the track.

Ricky Taylor: Oh yeah, a streetcar on the track feels like a completely different thing. It’s an interesting point ’cause Jack eight and Philippe and I were having the same discussion ’cause Jack is doing DTM and IMSA in Cadillac and Philippe is doing L MP two and El LMS and IMSA and Cadillac.

And I’m just doing Cadillac basically. And so we were kind of talking about. Who has it most difficult? Is it Ricky? Who has the least seat time? Is it Philippe who has to transition from an LP two very lightweight, right down force prototype to a heavy prototype? Or is it Jack who’s got the biggest split of all of them?

It was interesting. There’s points to be made for, for all of ’em. I think more seat time is always better. Driving a variety gives you a, a good toolbox of [00:31:00] driving styles of how to adapt and how to change quickly. To answer the question. I think when you switch your mindset over, it’s always what makes this car fat or what makes this car perform well on the stopwatch?

Is it? If it’s a GT car, you know that you’re not gonna drive sort of a V style corner, you’re not gonna be prioritizing late breaking. The speed trace always looks like a climate is always climbing, whereas, you know, high down force cars, they plateau. So you prioritize entry speed and you don’t worry so much about the exit speed.

And you’ll start there. And then you’ll sort of work backwards of how do I treat the corner differently depending on, you know, what the car needs. And so case by case, I think there’s a lot of experimentation and stuff involved too.

Crew Chief Eric: Alright, John Rist writes regarding tire wear at Le Mans. What do you mean?

That Le Mans is a low energy track? Did I hear you correctly?

Ricky Taylor: Yeah, so I would think the same thing. When you say energy, it’s just how much load and energy is going into the tire. So it comes everything from top speed, from high [00:32:00] speed corners, from the gradient of the track, from the the macro or the micro of the track.

You know how the stones are laid out, breaking zones. All those things sort of add up into, you know, what makes like high energy or not. So for example, Detroit on paper, the New Street course looks high energy ’cause it’s lots of corners, it’s lots of braking. The cars are sliding around a lot in reality, concrete.

You know, the stones are very tiny. They’re close together, like it’s very smooth. It’s actually very low energy. We use the soft tire for the entire race there. Kona, on the other hand. Pretty high energy only because of the banking. ’cause you have so much vertical load through the banking, whereas you think you’re going straight and the car’s not really sliding.

And Le Mans is such long straits with sort of a low energy surface that the way that it works out between all those variables, it just happens to be quite, quite low energy. Not to mention the conditions are quite cool and mild, especially at night.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, Scott was on the same wavelength I was and he wants to know [00:33:00] about sibling rivalries in the sport, but I’ve heard you and Jordan go back and forth and roast each other and you know, on NBC with Calvin Fish and talking about the good old days and things like that.

But I think we need to take this a step further. So I’m gonna ask you, who’s the better driver? Your brother or Rodney’s sand store?

Ricky Taylor: Rodney is a legend. I, I haven’t seen anything he can’t do, so it’d be hard to, hard to bid against that guy. Oh, I did not see that coming.

Crew Chief Eric: Ricky, you’ve been talking a lot and you are running for Cadillac.

Let’s talk about the future now as we sort of wrap up this episode of Evening with a Legend. But first I wanna get sort of a crowd question, being involved with Cadillac, what are your thoughts on Cadillac and Formula One in 2026?

Ricky Taylor: Oh, it’s exciting. It’s really cool. I think we were worried initially all of our engineers are gonna leave because they need so many people to start that program.

They’re looking for almost a thousand people, I think. Where do you find them? We’re having a hard enough time finding people for our little program, and it’s so cool to see Cadillac. You know? You think this [00:34:00] program feels big. That is just a whole nother level. So to see it actually happening, to see it.

The simulator fully up and running. They’re doing simulation races. All the people are in place. It’s cool to see the drivers that are involved. I must say I’m really excited for Colton. He’s sort of on the, on the track. Track, sorry, no pun intended. He’s got a hard season, I think, ahead of him. F two, but he has a lot of respect for it and I think all of it is cool.

I’m really excited to see the car on track and I know everybody has very reserved expectations ’cause everybody else has a super high starting point. But, uh, it’s cool to see the same brand that we’re affiliated with competing in the medical club, motor sports.

Crew Chief Eric: So speaking of, what does the outlook look like for the 20 26, 24 hours of Le Mans With Cadillac, the plan is to return, right?

Ricky Taylor: The plan is, yeah. So obviously Jota will go, uh, they’ve got the two entries. I don’t know. The entries situation is always tricky. I hope we get an entry. I think, you know, we learned a lot last year, so hopefully, [00:35:00] hopefully Cadillac has at least three. Like you were saying, with the car count, it’s probably gonna be getting more and more difficult as the.

The full season wet entries increase specifically for Le Mans. I would say this past year was a pretty good one. Pretty good opportunity, obviously come the race, the Porsches and the Ferraris were very, very strong, where over a single, I think Cadillacs had a pretty good single lap pace, but none of us had anywhere close to the, the race pace as ’em.

So. A lot of our arrow updates were geared towards improving that. So we, we had, we just unveiled the joker tested on track a couple times, been in the sim, looks like it’s in the right direction. Obviously we have a lot to learn about. It’s a, it’s a pretty different update. I wouldn’t say in one direction or the other, but it’s different.

So Le Mans is a pretty unique track and it’s hard to create, I think, when all the manufacturers build a car. You decide either we’re gonna build a car for America, or we’re gonna build a car for LA Mall. It’s hard to build one that does both well. So if we have a terrible Long Beach, [00:36:00] at least we can be like, well, maybe we’ll have a good LA mall.

So that’s the way it will probably, we’ll probably go,

Crew Chief Eric: is your seat guaranteed or do you have a fallback in LMP two if it doesn’t work out?

Ricky Taylor: Nobody see is guaranteed when there’s no entry yet. Um, so I’d say if there’s a WTR entry, we have four drivers, only three can go. So I think it would only be fair if we rotated through, and this is probably not for me to say, but I think Louis should be in the car.

And one of the three of us should look for something else. But in the same breath, I think Louis also has the best chance of finding an MP two ride. ’cause he’s winning everything. And I think, you know, AO might have an entry for MP two. So yeah. I don’t know.

Crew Chief Eric: From a driver’s perspective, what makes Le Mans the most special event?

You know, people talk about how it’s one of the brown jewels of motorsport. Do you see it that way as well?

Ricky Taylor: Yeah, I do. Sometimes it’s hard to remove myself. From being a sports car racing family, we just grew up in sports, car racing. Obviously we watch the Indy [00:37:00] 500 every year. We watch the Daytona 500 every year.

We, you know, we watch all the F1 races, all the IndyCar races, and we live in sports car racing. And so we grew up like you intensely up all night watching the MA as kids, and it was just always the biggest one. So outside of that, as a driver, I think the one thing you notice is how much it means to so many people, whether it’s the parade or.

Something as simple as Scrutineering. Lamont does an amazing job of making a big deal out of everything. And like we have tech and I’m so, and it’s a tent where the car rolls through, a couple of engineers look at the car and, and then you go on your way and you fix a couple things. For Lamont, it’s a whole public event with autographs and photos and a staged picture, and the car goes up in the middle of town.

Everything from start to finish is. World class and, and then on top of that, I think because it attracts the world’s best, it is inherently the hardest one. You wanna win against the best and you wanna, you know, win the, the [00:38:00] most difficult races that one happens to be them all.

Crew Chief Eric: So after nine attempts and many more to come at Le Mans, what has it taught you?

Ricky Taylor: Yeah, there’s a lot of ways to lose races, I think. But I think, I think it’s just the attention to detail, the, you have to keep the intensity up for so long. And so racing, like I said earlier, you’re always in the mix. Intensity is always high because you’re always racing somebody and there’s always a restart and you know, you’re battling for track position, you know, lap after lap.

But at the same time, things aren’t super consequential until the last couple hours, whereas. Le Mans, you. You just have to be, I keep saying this, but you just have to be so detailed. And just to mention my mistakes. One year at Le Mans, I passed before a safety car line, so I did the restart out of our know, and I passed a car before the safety car line and penalty, and we never came back from it.

Another year it was a bit of a slow getaway outta the pits and we lost a position and then you gotta fight for hours to get it back, and little things like that. [00:39:00] So don’t really matter. And Le Mans, it sort of stresses everything. So yeah, I think it’s just that intensity level and attention to detail lap after that for the whole weekend.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, looking ahead, it sounds like you’ve set some goals for yourself and obviously you have some unfinished business at Le Mans. So when it comes to racing in general, what’s next for Ricky? Something we should look forward to in 2026?

Ricky Taylor: Hopefully it’s a better than 20, 25, I think certainly for me, but as a team, this was one of the hardest years we’ve ever had without a win.

Really struggling for pace. Again, it was our first season with the car, so we give ourselves a little grace with that, but at the same time, we wanna do better, and I’ll be the first to admit that. I don’t think I maximized myself in some situations, so we’re not pointing fingers, but we’re trying to build on last year.

So it’s one thing when you go from year to year to have somebody else’s notes of a history of at a racetrack, but now we get to go with our own firsthand notes and, you know, pick up at a much higher level than last year. So hopefully [00:40:00] you’re gonna see a much, much stronger born normal WCR.

Crew Chief Eric: Well with that, Ricky, as we close out, I want to pass the microphone to David Lowe, our a CO representative for some final thoughts.

David Lowe: Ricky, on behalf of the A CO and Endurance Racing fans everywhere, thank you for wonderful evening. I really wish you the best. Looking forward to seeing you at laal this year.

Ricky Taylor: Thank you very much. Hope to see you there.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, folks that wraps up this evening with a legend where we explored Ricky Taylor’s journey through the world of the greatest endurance race, the 24 hours of Le Mans.

From his early impressions of the legendary circuit to the challenges of racing through the night. Ricky’s experiences reflect the dedication and passion that define true endurance racers. His perspective reminds us that success at Le Mans isn’t just about speed, it’s about teamwork, adaptability, and resilience under pressure.

So to keep up with Ricky and his racing career, be sure to follow him on Instagram and x formerly Twitter at Ricky Taylor race. And visit Wayne Taylor racing.com for [00:41:00] news team updates and upcoming events. And with that, we hope you enjoyed this presentation and look forward to more evening with a legend.

And on behalf of everyone here and those listening at home, thank you Ricky for sharing your evening with us.

Ricky Taylor: Thanks. Thanks so much for having me. It was good fun.

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  • 00:00 Ricky’s early Le Mans Memories
  • 03:09 First Racing Laps 2013
  • 04:55 IMSA vs WEC Culture
  • 06:25 Night Stints, Track Surprises and Passing
  • 10:50 Training and Simulator Prep
  • 14:53 2025 Cadillac Le Mans Postmortem
  • 16:50 Family Racing Together
  • 17:59 Jackie Chan LMP2 Story & Why LMP2 Matters
  • 22:04 Garage 56
  • 24:01 Filipe Albuquerque’s Hybrid Knowhow
  • 27:09 Are the Cars Too Reliable?
  • 28:48 Audience Q&A
  • 33:29 Thoughts on Cadillac F1 in 2026
  • 34:40 Le Mans 2026 Plans
  • 38:03 Why Le Mans Matters Most and Final Thanks!

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When Ricky finally made his Le Mans debut in 2013 with Corvette Racing, the experience was overwhelming in ways he didn’t expect.

Le Mans is technically a street circuit, and the opening laps are dusty, slippery, and unpredictable. But the biggest shock came from the LMP1 hybrids of the era: “I’d be in first or second gear coming out of Mulsanne Corner, and they were already doing 180 mph when the hybrid kicked in.” That speed differential forced a new level of awareness — and humility.

Photo by Jamey Price; courtesy Wayne Taylor Racing

Taylor has spent most of his career in IMSA, and he’s quick to point out how different the culture is compared to Europe.

  • IMSA paddocks are open, communal, and social.
  • WEC paddocks are structured, closed, and businesslike.

Those differences extend to the racing itself. IMSA’s full-course yellows compress the field and encourage aggression. WEC’s long green-flag runs reward precision and consistency. “A mistake in hour one at Le Mans… you may never get it back.”

Modern Le Mans prep is as much digital as physical. Taylor and his teammates spent eight days in the Dallara simulator between the U.S. and Italy, working through setup ideas and tire models. The tire modeling alone is a massive undertaking — each manufacturer has its own Michelin engineer building a bespoke simulation. But even with all that tech, Taylor says the hardest part is mental: “That constant qualifying‑lap mentality really wears you down.”


The Loneliness of the Night

Fans often imagine Le Mans as a constant wheel‑to‑wheel battle. But Taylor says the reality — especially at night — is far more solitary. “Ford vs. Ferrari actually captured that sense of loneliness really well.” As the field spreads out, drivers settle into long, quiet stretches of qualifying‑style laps, managing tires, fuel, and fatigue. The rhythm becomes almost meditative — until traffic snaps you back to reality.

Television distorts the scale of Le Mans. Corners like Arnage and Mulsanne are shockingly tight, and the public‑road crown makes three‑wide racing nearly impossible. “You’re yelling at the TV — ‘Just pass him!’ But it’s a two‑lane country road.” That crown also affects setup and plank wear, adding another layer of complexity.

Photo by Jamey Price; courtesy Wayne Taylor Racing

Taylor didn’t sugarcoat Cadillac’s 2024 Le Mans effort. Despite promising qualifying pace, both the WTR and Action Express cars suffered engine failures. “Finishing Le Mans is an accomplishment. It was a real shame.” Still, the team learned a tremendous amount — and the new aero “joker” update offers hope for 2026.

This year marked the first time Ricky, Jordan, and Wayne Taylor all competed at Le Mans together under the Wayne Taylor Racing banner. “A good check on the life bucket list,” Ricky said.  Sharing the experience — and the hospitality building they first visited in 2001 — made the moment even more meaningful.


Jackie Chan, LMP2 (the Underrated Class) & Garage 56

One of Taylor’s most memorable Le Mans drives came with Jackie Chan DC Racing, though he never actually met Jackie Chan himself.

He also passionately defended LMP2: “Everybody’s sleeping on LMP2. The racing is unbelievable.” With hypercar grids expanding, the future of LMP2 is uncertain — but Taylor believes the class is too important to lose.

Taylor lit up when discussing the 2023 Garage 56 NASCAR Camaro project. “It was a proud moment. They turned a lot of heads.” The closing speeds were so unusual that drivers had to relearn their traffic instincts — the Camaro could out‑drag prototypes in certain sections.

Taylor credits longtime teammate Philippe Albuquerque with shaping his driving and confidence. “He taught me to trust myself… and to push my opinion.” Their contrasting personalities — Philippe’s boldness and Ricky’s analytical nature — have made them a formidable pairing.


Why Le Mans Still Matters: Looking ahead to 2026

For Taylor, Le Mans is the crown jewel not just because of its history, but because of its intensity. “You have to be so detailed… so perfect… for so long.” Every mistake is magnified. Every second counts. And every year teaches something new.

Taylor is candid about the challenges of 2025 — no wins, inconsistent pace, and a steep learning curve with the new car. But he’s optimistic: “Now we get to go with our own firsthand notes… hopefully you’ll see a much stronger WTR.” Cadillac plans to return to Le Mans in 2026, though entries are increasingly competitive. Taylor’s seat isn’t guaranteed — but his determination is.

After nine attempts, Ricky Taylor remains as hungry as ever for a Le Mans victory. His journey — shaped by family, forged in competition, and fueled by resilience — reflects everything that makes endurance racing special.

And as he looks toward 2026, one thing is clear: he’s not done with Le Mans, and Le Mans isn’t done with him.


Imola Test of Tenacity: Leipert Motorsport Delivers

The second round of the Lamborghini Super Trofeo Europe at the historic Autodromo Internazionale Enzo e Dino Ferrari in Imola presented drivers and teams with major challenges. While conditions remained consistent during free practice and qualifying, rainfall on race day led to difficult and at times unpredictable track conditions. Leipert Motorsport once again demonstrated consistency, securing significant championship points with both cars.

It was already clear during free practice that the pace across the field was very close. The #88 finished the first free practice session in third place in the class, whilst the #44 took second place in the second session. However, due to the changing weather conditions, the practice results were of limited significance.

The team also confirmed its strong form in qualifying. The #44 secured an excellent starting position for Race One with a second-place finish in its class in the first qualifying session. In the second qualifying session, the #88 made a clear statement by setting the fastest time in the Pro class and started the second race from the front row.

The #44 delivered a solid performance throughout the weekend and consistently held its own at the front of the field despite the difficult conditions. In the first race, Thalin and Bengtsson fought on undeterred, despite a sudden engine power issue, and finished the race without any mistakes in seventh place in the class.

The schedule at Imola was very tight, as both races were held on the same day at this event. Consequently, despite their best efforts, the problem could not be permanently resolved, forcing the team to field the car in the second race despite a power deficit. Fortunately, the second race took place in wet conditions, so the lack of power did not have a full impact and a consolation seventh place was secured in the end.

#88 Tuomaala (FIN) / Salonen (FIN) – Pro class; Photo by SCIARRA GIANLUCA FOTOSPEEDY; courtesy Liepert Motorsports

The #88 driver duo once again showed good pace and impressed with a commanding performance in difficult conditions. Following a strong qualifying performance with the class’s fastest time in the second qualifying session, Tuomaala and Salonen also held their own in the upper midfield during the races.

In the first race, the #88 finished sixth in the class, before the duo finished the second race in eighth place. Despite the difficult weather conditions, both drivers stayed out of trouble and collected further important points for the championship.

“The rain made the races at Imola a particular challenge. However, both driver pairings performed very professionally in the difficult conditions and brought the cars home safely. Even though the results this time do not quite reflect our pace, we are taking important points and many positive takeaways from this weekend.” – Managing Directors Marc Poos and Marcel Leipert

Following the demanding race weekend at Imola, Leipert Motorsport is now turning its focus to the next round of the Lamborghini Super Trofeo Europe at the end of June at Spa-Francorchamps. The team will be competing there with an expanded line-up of cars.


About Liepert Motorsport

Leipert Motorsport was founded in 2002 and became one of Europe’s top GT-Teams in Sprint- and Endurance-Racing. Spreading its GT-Engagement even wider across the continental borders, this step is the logical consequence for the German team after being a front runner and championship winning team in multiple competitions.

Operation Motorsport Veterans Headed to SimRacing Expo

Raleigh, N.C., 11 May 2026 – For U.S. Army and Navy veteran Richard Davenport, virtual simulation racing has been one way to find a community again after the leaving the military. “It’s a way to stay connected with other veterans virtually any time and to have a blast racing and developing skills alongside them,” said Davenport, who joined Operation Motorsport® as a participant in 2024.

Photo courtesy Lachelle Laney, Operation Motorsports.

Davenport is proud to tell his story at the SimRacing Expo May 22-24, 2026 at the Charlotte Convention Center. It’s the first sim Expo to be held in the U.S. A delegation of U.S. and Canadian veterans from Operation Motorsport will attend on behalf of the Operation eMotorsport League, a virtual iRacing series for veterans with a U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs/Veterans Affairs of Canada rating, currently serving military and those who support them. Representatives will be introduced on stage at 11 a.m. EST on the Friday of the event.

Like many competitors, Davenport’s at-home racing set-up started small, with a Logitech G923 wheel and pedals from a connection on Twitch. Then he bought a set of Heusinkveld Sprint pedals from another Operation Motorsport participant.

“I saw a meme that said, someone will tell you not to spend $1,000 on sim racing gear,” Davenport said. “That $3,000 will be the best $10,000 dollars you’ve ever spent. That’s pretty accurate.

The Operation eMotorsport League has grown exponentially since its inception six years ago. When racing was cancelled worldwide as a result of the worldwide COVID-19 pandemic, Operation Motorsport staff were determined not to let it stop their life-changing work with veterans. But for an organization whose model depended on embedding veterans with professional racing teams at tracks, it would mean completely changing their scope.

In spite of the difficulties, Operation Motorsport made the leap and the Operation eMotorsport League was born.

Now, competition between the core of regular racers who show up nearly every event and casual drop-ins mean a dependable 35-48 entrants for each race, with the total number registered at 76 leaving plenty of room for new racers to join the community.

Photo courtesy Lachelle Laney, Operation Motorsports

“It’s really become this supportive community of veterans,” said Tiffany Lodder, Executive Director, Operation Motorsport. “We’ve seen real change in our veterans who participate. It’s designed to bring veterans out of themselves, out of their worries, give them something else to focus on and an avenue to build themselves up again. Many of our veterans are struggling to connect with others when they come to us and going to a race track feels out of reach. For a multitude of reasons they’ve had a hard time with the transition back to civilian life and while they might not be ready to be around others in person, meeting new people online in this setting is just what they need in that moment of their journey. We are there to help them build the confidence and direction that comes from being given a Team, Identity and Purpose again.”   

Supporters of Operation Motorsport can get 10% off the ticket price with the code SRE_operationmotorsport at https://ticket.simracingexpo.com/.  For more information about the SIM. Racing Expo, visit www.simracingexpo.com Veterans with a VA/VAC rating in the U.S. and Canada are eligible to apply for Operation Motorsport’s programs. For more information, visit: https://operationmotorsport.org


About Operation Motorsport

Operation Motorsport® is a Veteran Led and Operated, Canadian Registered Charity, based in Brighton, Ontario, serving Canadian Service Members and Veterans and is based on three core values: Team, Identity, and Purpose. Operation Motorsport supports the recovery of medically releasing or retired Service Members affected by military service through Motorsports opportunities. Our motto is One At A Time.

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Hurley Haywood & the Audi Era: How Quattro Rewrote American Motorsport

Some stories in motorsport are so seismic that even decades later, they still rattle the paddock. Hurley Haywood’s time behind the wheel of Audi’s all‑wheel‑drive TransAm and IMSA machines is one of those stories — a brief but explosive chapter that reshaped racing technology, infuriated competitors, and cemented Audi’s place in performance history.

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In this special Break/Fix pit‑stop episode, we go behind the scenes with Hurley to revisit the era when a “family sedan” became the most feared weapon in American road racing.

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Hurley’s Audi journey began in 1983 under unlikely circumstances. After breaking his leg, he couldn’t operate a traditional clutch in a Porsche — but Bob Tullius of Group 44 saw a workaround. Jaguar’s gearboxes only required the clutch in the pits, and Al Holbert gave Tullius a simple directive: “If you can hire Hurley, do it Today.” That decision set off a chain of events that would forever link Hurley to Group 44 and bring him from Jaguars to one of the most technologically advanced racing programs of its time: Audi.

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In this Break/Fix Pit Stop Minisode, the hosts welcome back legendary sports car driver Hurley Haywood to revisit his defining years with Audi in Trans-Am and IMSA. Hurley explains how Bob Tullius and Audi brought him into the program after he broke his leg, describes Group 44’s professionalism, and contrasts team dynamics once Audi factory engineers controlled strategy and development. He recounts early surprises with the Quattro, learning all-wheel-drive technique, and how the cars became overwhelmingly dominant, winning a Trans-Am championship before SCCA banned four-wheel drive and IMSA piled on weight and engine restrictions that rarely slowed them. Haywood discusses the advanced 90 Quattro GTO, politics that ended Audi’s program, his brief Ferrari F40 IMSA experience, lessons from Walter Röhrl, and reflections on technology, dominance, and Audi’s prospects in Formula 1.

  • Hurley, before we dive into the Audi era, can you share what initially drew you to TransAm racing and how it fit into your broader career at the time?
  • Let’s revisit how Bob Tullis put the deal together for the Audi program
  • When you first got behind the wheel of the Audi Quattro in TransAm, what were your initial impressions compared to the more traditional rear-wheel drive cars you had raced before?
  • The all-wheel drive technology was groundbreaking for TransAm—how did you and the team adapt your driving style and strategy to maximize its strengths?
  • How did other drivers and teams in the paddock react to the dominance of the Audi Quattro, and what was the atmosphere like competing under those conditions?
  • Beyond just the performance, what was the team culture like working with Audi during that period, and how did it compare with other manufacturers you had raced for?
  • Many fans credit that era with helping Audi solidify its motorsport reputation in the U.S.—what do you think was the long-term impact of those TransAm seasons for the brand?
  • As a driver, did you feel a sense of responsibility representing a new era of technology in racing, or did you simply focus on executing / winning behind the wheel?
  • Looking back, what lessons from those TransAm seasons have stayed with you, either about racing, teamwork, or innovation?
  • Finally, if you had the chance to climb back into an Audi TransAm car today, how do you think it would feel revisiting that chapter of your career?

Transcript

Crew Chief Brad: [00:00:00] We always have a blast chatting with our guests about all sorts of different topics, but sometimes we go off the rails and dig deeper into their automotive and motor sports pasts. As a bonus, let’s go behind the scenes with this pit stop mini episode for some extra content that didn’t quite fit in the main episode.

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Crew Chief Eric: Tonight we are honored to revisit the legendary career of Hurley Haywood, one of the most decorated and respected sports car drivers of all time. While many remember Hurley for his victories at the 24 hours at Daytona, and his wins at Lama, his time in the TransAm series with Audi stands as a defining chapter in American Motorsport.

Behind the wheel of the powerful Audi Quatro. Hurley helped rewrite the rule book, showcasing the dominance of all-wheel drive technology on circuits where traditional rear wheel drive muscle. Once ruled his success not only brought Audi unprecedented glory and TransAm, but also cemented his place as a pioneer who bridged [00:01:00] innovation and skill.

We’ll revisit those groundbreaking seasons and hear firsthand how Hurley Haywood helped change the face of the series and get insight about his time in TransAm and imsa. From folks like Rick Huey from the I-M-R-R-C, legendary Pro driver Lynn St. James, and Senior Director of Competition at imsa Mark Roff.

And with that, let’s welcome

AUDI SOUND: Hurley to break fix.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, Hurley, it’s awesome to have you back in the studio. The last time we got together, we talked about your adventures at lama, and during that episode we touched just briefly on your history with Audi and with TransAm, and so we wanted to revisit that part of your motor sports career Before we dive deep into the Audi era.

Can you take us back and explain how you ended up in TransAm racing, how that fit into your broader career, and tell us about how Bob Tullia put together the deal with the Audi program.

Hurley Haywood: Uh, I had broken my leg back in 1983. Bob Tullia called up [00:02:00] Al Holbert and he said, I’m thinking about hiring Hurley because you know, he can’t push the clutch down on a Porsche, but we have a gearbox and he only has to push the clutch to get in and out of the pits.

Al said to Bob, he said, if you can hire Hurley, do it today because he’s one of the best. And that’s exactly what happened. So I raised for the Jaguar team, the Trulia team group, 44 for two and a half years. And then when that program stopped and it moved over to Walkinshaw, Walkinshaw decided that he wanted Brian Redman and myself to come help his team win the race.

Well. We were told basically to keep our mouth shut and drive as fast as we could go. ’cause he wanted to be on television at the start of the race. And so eventually all three cars had mechanical problems and we [00:03:00] would move from one car to the other car. And so I don’t wanna get into the particulars, but it was kind of an amusing round table of guys that were going from one car to another car, and then that car would break and move to the third car.

So it was a, uh, difficult situation to be in. Well, let me back up a little bit. When Bob Tulio lost the Jaguar deal, at the same time Audi was thinking about coming into race in the United States. They wanted to sort of promote the Audi program and Joe Hopin called me up and said, I want you to come to Atlanta.

We have a 12 hour night race in a Audi Quatra in a, basically a sedan, 200 sedan racing seat and seat belts. And that was about the, the only extent of modifications that they made to the car. So I would say. You must be joking. So anyway, the weather turned terrible and it was raining like hell and [00:04:00] we were third overall against really race cars.

So, you know, I was pretty excited about that. And then about a month later, Joe Hopin called me and said, what would you think about racing an Audi in the TransAm? And I kind of thought about it for a moment and, uh, I said, what’s the deal? And he said, well, let’s go over to English dot and I’ll, let me show you the, the car that they’re working on.

So we went over, Walter Rule was there, and he sort of gave me the background of the car I got in this thing and I was really surprised. I said, this is pretty cool. And Joe Hopin was of course, the guy that sort of negotiated all the rules and everything. He called me up and he said, well, what do you think we should do?

What team do you think we should get

Rick Hughey (IMRRC): now Was that Tuus?

AUDI SOUND: That was Tuus

Rick Hughey (IMRRC): ran that program.

AUDI SOUND: That relationship lasted five years. I drove with the Jags for two years or three years, and then I drove for him with the Audi program and he was a great [00:05:00] guy. A lot of people didn’t like Bob, but. I liked him. He and I never had a crossword.

I was always kind of a little rebellious. You know, you had to do the uniform thing on that team. You had to be dressed in a uniform every time. And Bob was very explicit about, you know, white shoes, white socks, white shorts, green belt, gold army type style, belt buckle belt buckle, web belt, white shirt, you know, the whole nine yards.

Mark Raffauf (IMSA): One of the only teams in history whose people were always dressed in white and never got dirty. Not sure how they did that, but I think they had enough uniforms in the truck that if you did, you had to go change right away. But yeah. How many people have white crew guys, you know.

AUDI SOUND: And I would always have one thing that was not quite up to team standard, different color bells or a slightly different shade of sock or you know, something like that.

And he never said anything. I knew he saw it, but he never said anything. It was a nice relationship with him and I really liked the team and I liked the discipline and you know, Bob was one of the first guys that really brought professionalism [00:06:00] up to a standard that’s now enjoyed by everybody. You walk down Pi Lane in Wisa or whatever it is, and the team and the philosophy that you have with these teams, uniforms, detail preparation, always started by Bob.

Mm-hmm. Bob truly has really brought that discipline. Look to sports, car racing

Rick Hughey (IMRRC): and the preparation there was always excellent. I mean, I know one of his mechanics used to work on Air Force One, so that’s gotta be second in.

Hurley Haywood: He’s got all the equipment, he is got the shop, he’s got the transporters. They’re all spotless.

Totally. In the Audi sort of way of thinking,

Crew Chief Eric: you raced for a lot of different teams over the years. I mean, predominantly Porsche E, especially Porsche, I’ll say. What was it like racing for Audi? What was it? What was the team dynamics like? What was the culture like? What was the attitude?

Hurley Haywood: Well, that was definitely a factory team.

And Bob, I think, had a hard time at the beginning accepting that role as to sort of the mechanism that let the Audi happen. But all of the [00:07:00] decisions on how you would run the car during the race, how you would set the car up and engineering wise was taken out of his hands and replaced with the factory people.

We had a lot of factory people that went to Winchester. Which is where the headquarters were for Bob, but it was something that Bob was able to employ all his guys and his guys were very, very quick to learn the process. So it was a real team effort on both the American side and the German side, where everybody came together and worked very nicely together.

I don’t really remember any times when there was a lot of friction between those two entities. Everybody worked together.

Crew Chief Eric: Did you get a chance to work with or meet Roland Gum? He was one of the masterminds behind Audi’s success in World Rally Championship.

Hurley Haywood: Yes, I did.

Crew Chief Eric: So what was Roland like to work with?

Was he involved in the TransAm in the IMSA program too? Trying to refine the car?

Hurley Haywood: Yes. I think he was. And. The development of those cars went on 12 months out of the [00:08:00] year on both the TransAm and the GT Os period, the SSA period. It was a continual development on both types of cars. It was a nice position to be in and then have guys like Joe Hopin sort of smoothing the water out, making everybody happy, but it didn’t work most of the time.

So that’s what happened and he got the deal and everybody went over to Ingles Scott to talk about the program and you know, work out the details. But that was one of the greatest cars. Everybody laughed, said, what are you doing with, this is a family sedan. It looks like a family sedan. I said, well guys, just wait and see.

They stopped laughing after our first race because we were just so superior to everything else on the racetrack.

Crew Chief Eric: Your first impressions of the Audi completely different than anything you had driven up until that point when you compared it to the Porsches and the Jaguars. What was the experience like with a front heavy all wheel drive family sedan, as you put it?

Hurley Haywood: It was actually brilliant to drive. You had to make a little bit of an [00:09:00] adjustment because, you know, it was not a conventional car, so getting used to the all-wheel drive and it didn’t take very long. And I sort of got the technique much quicker than, uh, Hans did. Hans was very frustrated at the beginning of the season because we had engineers with both cars.

My engineer. Was different than Hans’s engineer. And Hans wanted to set up the car a little bit differently that I liked it. So it took a while for him to get into the rhythm, but I found it, okay, this is what the deal is and this is what we’re gonna do. And sure enough, the car was completely dominant in all the TransAm races.

I won the championship for myself and for Audi, and then the SCCA kicked us out. They said no. Four wheel drive is not allowed. Then we moved over to imsa.

Mark Raffauf (IMSA): This is, uh, one of the coolest cars we ever developed with Audi, which also became the biggest pain in the butt for us.

Hurley Haywood: Uh, we started with a 90 Quatro, and the 90 Quatro, in my opinion, was probably one of the best race cars I ever [00:10:00] driven.

I mean, that thing was so incredibly awesome.

Mark Raffauf (IMSA): Full tube frame, five cylinder inline turbo.

Hurley Haywood: It had over 700 horsepower

Mark Raffauf (IMSA): hunch, stook, Hurley Haywood, and occasionally Walter Royal, a rally driver who even people like hunch Stook said when he showed up. I raced for second. The man was amazing. The intriguing thing was the car is constant all-wheel drive car, which meant it applied.

The drive you wanted on each wheel based on the grip level that the car was sensing that it needed, it wasn’t 20% front, 80% back. It was applying that drive to the wheels as it saw it needed. So the hard part of it was, we started it out. Goodyear made ’em special tires 14 inches wide. We realized after a couple races, they didn’t go to Daytona and Sebring because they didn’t think they could finish.

Hurley Haywood: The cars were not really made to do long distance races. So we didn’t do Daytona. We didn’t do Sebring. But then, you know, I think stook. Won almost every race, and I was second in all those races. So that thing was unbelievable. 700 horsepower, [00:11:00] huge tires on the front end rear, and it was really a pretty cool car to drive.

Mark Raffauf (IMSA): So they started on 14th, we summed down two, three races. Changed that to 12 and then changed it to 10, a couple races later, and the end result was, it made no difference. The 10 inch wide tires worked just as good as the 14 inch tires.

Hurley Haywood: We really dominated the whole series. They were pissed off. They kept adding weight to us and all kinds of restrictions on the engines and the intakes.

It made no difference. The cars were just brilliant with the four wheel drive systems,

Mark Raffauf (IMSA): part of the reasons and the learning experience for us was technically what’s going on with a car like this is the tire degradation. Is way better. ’cause your lo, the load of slowing down is spread over all four wheels.

The braking was much better and the acceleration was phenomenal. So it was an amazing car. It is probably, in my opinion, one of the coolest, most technically advanced things that IMSA created. We did some other stuff, but this one was sort of a challenge for them and. To [00:12:00] do this. They won the TransAm the year before with a car, an Audi 100 made out of a real production shell.

This has nothing to do with that other than the greenhouse silhouette and so on, so forth. But spectacular car two remain. One is here in the USA and one is in Germany. And the significance to Audi is when they just showed their first concept, formula One car, the car that’s behind the Formula one car in their display is that car, not the R eight prototype.

That’s off to the side, but that car is right there that embodies. Audi’s performance thing and it’s 1989. Pretty amazing what they were able to do and how they did it.

Rick Hughey (IMRRC): And we mentioned marketing a little while ago. They’re still using video from those days to market the Audi all wheel drive now. So it really stood out in history.

I think,

AUDI SOUND: you know, the all wheel drive is certainly something that has found its way into lots of different types of production cars down. It’s just is a benefit that. His, um, well worth people taking a look at, and Audi was the one that kind of pioneered that system in a race car. It was just phenomenal and that’s why they basically banned them [00:13:00] and don’t see four wheel drive cars anymore.

Hurley Haywood: Everybody was out to get us and nobody really could. There were cars were so dominant, the four wheel drive, regardless of what the conditions were, rain, hot, sandy, you know, whatever the conditions are. The Audis were dominant. The reason we didn’t win the championship. Was because the cars were not built for long distance races for Daytona and for Seabring.

Those were in the calendar for the series. So we missed those two races, but we won everything else after that. Practically.

Rick Hughey (IMRRC): I know you had one race here that you do the whole race yourself.

AUDI SOUND: Yeah, I, I got it into, uh, Scott Goodier was supposed to drive with me. Scott was new to the team. I was having a great battle and just didn’t want to give it up at the pit stop.

So I stayed in. And the Audi, that was really the first time that I had been with a factory team. That was excessive. Anything that we wanted, we could have. I mean, if I said, Hey guys, you know, I want to have wood paneling on the dashboard. I mean, the [00:14:00] next race, I have wood paneling on the. It was like a driver’s dream and the cars themselves were absolutely fantastic.

I mean, just, it was just a really nice atmosphere to be able to work in that kind of situation where. Anything you wanted was possible

Crew Chief Eric: at that time. The term that was used was borrowed from Mark Donahue, the unfair advantage that Audi had because of the all-wheel drive, but it was cutting edge technology, not just in racing, but in the production world itself.

Like Audi put itself on the map after many, many years of being in business by putting all-wheel drive and production cars, and now they bring it to. TransAm racing, this groundbreaking technology. I mean, you dominated, but with all these penalties, with all the setbacks, with everything that they tried to do to stop the Audi’s advantage, how much did you have to adapt as a driver every time they penalized the car?

Hurley Haywood: Yeah, as I said, it made no difference to the performance, weight restrictions on the intakes. None of that really had an effect. The cars were so good [00:15:00] and the engineers. Behind the cars were so good that they, you know, said, oh, we need to do this. We need to change the weight balance a little bit. But in retrospect, it really didn’t slow us down at all.

Cars were so good.

Crew Chief Eric: Were there some tracks where the Audi was at a disadvantage? Like, I remember watching the Long Beach races were super tight and, and watching you kind of struggle and saw it the wheel a little bit to get through the tightness of Long Beach versus something like Watkins Glen where you could really open it up.

Hurley Haywood: It made no difference with the track. Some of the tighter tracks. Like Long Beach, you had a lot of different surface changes and where the other cars might have an advantage in one place, you had an advantage in the other place. So it sort of worked itself out. But still, you know, the worst conditions, like I remember we were running Texas now.

That was with the transient car, Texas. That was a joke. The uh, surface was just, there was one line through the corners and. If you made one step out of that line, you were in the wall and [00:16:00] a very tight chords. And I remember passing Willie Willie t ribs and I got up alongside of him. He was on the inside on the clean track and I was in in the sand, and I sort of kind waved at him when I went by.

He gave me the finger. He said, you know, God damn. At the end of the race, he came up and he says, Jesus, this car is so good making us all look really bad. So, you know, went, it was fun.

Crew Chief Eric: You know, it’s funny you mentioned that we had Lynn St. James on quite a few times on the show. In one of her interviews we talked about this.

Was it really like that when you guys were competing against the Audis? Was everybody so upset about it? Was it really that earth shattering?

Lyn St. James: Yes, it was awful. You would be hanging under your car in a corner. And then they just go driving by, you know? ’cause you got that all wheel drive and it would be like, you would just cuss the hell out of everything.

I mean, I could have killed Hurley and stuck, you know, because it was like, oh, I can remember Meadowlands particularly because you know, when you get in these temporary circuits and, and so it was [00:17:00] maddening. It was totally, it was, it was brutal and maddening because it was an unfair advantage. I mean, it complete, I mean, there’s turbos and there’s normally aspirated that erase it against each other.

They have different power bands. But you know that all eventually it evens out and there are certain tracks that are handling tracks, certain tracks that are more high speed tracks if you have a handling car versus, you know, one versus the other. But it eventually evens out when they had that all wheel drive bullshit.

I mean, that was like, that was never gonna even out.

Crew Chief Eric: There’s no balance of performance there, right?

Lyn St. James: No. Oh, of course now, yeah. I mean, there’s the. That’s a whole different thing the way the rules are. I mean, God, I’d hate to have to run a team right now because every week they changed the BOP, you know? And yeah, back then you were stuck.

You know? You were stuck with what you got, the way the rules were, they didn’t change the rules that much throughout the year, and if they did, it was usually to your disadvantaged. But that whole Audi all wheel drive thing was, it makes me just livid thinking about it again, because we. We struggled so hard.

God, it was awful.

Crew Chief Eric: You know, the [00:18:00] struggle was real for the rest of the drivers, but was it the sanctioning body penalizing the car, or was it the drivers complaining so much that you guys were so dominant that they wanted to pull the Audi back? Do you know what, what the politics was like at that time?

Hurley Haywood: Our politics were governed by Joe Hopin and Joe Hopin was a miracle man with the sanctioning bodies and the rules.

So regardless of what they put on us. Joe would talk to the engineers and say, what would happen if we added a hundred pounds or 50 pounds, and they would kind of look at Joe and say, eh, nothing really wouldn’t affect the cars at all, because the balance of those cars were so good that all of the things that they could put against us were irrelevant at that point.

As far as the restrictions on the. On the engines, you know, the engines were way under stressed, especially with the TransAm motor, so there was a big margin. You know, we didn’t show everything at the beginning. We held a little bit back on the [00:19:00] performance part of it, and they could put the restrictions on us, and it really didn’t make any difference in the end.

Crew Chief Eric: So when you look back at TransAm in those days, obviously the road courses they use a little more rustic. You have things like the Meadowlands and Summit point on the list and whatnot. But even the cars were almost, in a way, an homage to the days of Can-Am, where you could build what you wanted. You had Nissans, you had Corvettes, you had Audis, you had all sorts of stuff in TransAm, you know what you’re describing.

I wonder, when you look back, do you think this was the beginning of almost like balance of performance where they were trying to figure out a way to make the cars more competitive and more even?

Hurley Haywood: Well, I think it was. All the other manufacturers ganged up said, you know, this car is not fair. We can’t compete against these cars.

And we really had a great car, great engineers, and Joe Hopin was a master at politics. That’s the way it was. And I think that combination between the other drivers, the other teams and the other manufacturers all ganged up. Tried to get the Saxon bodies to put, you know, restrictions on [00:20:00] us, but as I said it, they made little difference in the performance.

Crew Chief Eric: So talking about some of those tracks, some are still used today in the TransAm series and others not so much. Are there some memorable tracks, favorite laps or moments that stick out for you behind the wheel of the Audi?

Hurley Haywood: Well, you know, the Audi was so good both on the TransAm car and the GTO car. That regardless of what track you were on, it was like you just could screw with the other guys.

You know, you couldn’t run up alongside of them. Go on the outside, go on the inside and kinda wave as you went by and that would just piss everybody off big time. So I remember one time Joe had said to both Hans and myself, you know, the cars are good, but don’t rub it in their nose. So, you know, that’s what we had to do.

But you know, as a racing driver, especially with Hans, Hans was really good at. Pissing everybody off and, you know, making fun of it. So it, it was two years of great, great fun

Mark Raffauf (IMSA): and there’s some [00:21:00] video of people like Ook would just pass people in the dirt or the grass because the car could do that. So the rest of the guys are like, what is he doing?

He just drove me around me in the dirt.

Crew Chief Eric: And it’s funny you bring that up because I remember distinctly watching one of the races. With my dad watching you, Hurley, Hans and Walter driving the cars and at one point vividly remember him saying, I think he just passed him in the grass. I mean, the kind of shenanigans that went down during the TransAm era was absolutely amazing during that time.

And I remember watching archive footage and so I wanted to ask you what was the deal? With Hans antagonizing, the other drivers with the doll in the rear glass that would like, basically moon, everybody. Where did that come from?

Hurley Haywood: I’m, I’m afraid I don’t remember that part. Han Hans was, uh, always really great at coming up with, you know, really weird things and.

You know, kind of rub it into everybody’s face. Like, we’re so good. We don’t even have to try hard.

Crew Chief Eric: Walter’s also part of this equation, and he’s coming from World Rally Championship. You and Hans coming [00:22:00] from road racing, everybody coming together, obviously under the auspices of the Volkswagen Audi group.

What did you learn from each other? What did Walter teach you about driving an Audi and how did you share your knowledge with Walter about road racing?

Hurley Haywood: I don’t think really that I had. Much to say about, about how to drive the cars with Walter. He was so good and he had a long history with Dowdy. You know, he helped us to get our heads around the trick to driving in an all wheel drive car was, you know, Walter was so good and he was very good at sharing knowledge where most drivers are not willing to share setups or you know, how you would drive this corner, how you would drive that corner.

Walter was really good. And I can remember many times going to Walter and said, you know, what are you doing in this corner? What are you doing? And he would sit down and take a map and said, okay, this is what you do with the front wheel drive. All wheel drive. Especially with the viscous coupling. You couldn’t do it from the cockpit, but you would come in and have the [00:23:00] mechanics adjust the uh, front to rear grip, you know, the traction in those tires.

That helped us a lot. We really work with that. Depending on the track, we would go to. He was really, really helpful for me and the engineer that I had was really good, so we, we had a good combination.

Crew Chief Eric: I remember reviewing some of the file footage and it alluded to Hans especially, had to do a lot more left foot breaking, especially with the early TransAm card.

Because of the amount of turbo lag from the single turbo that you guys had on there, did you find yourself also doing a lot more left foot breaking to keep it spooled up and get it to rotate and things like that?

Hurley Haywood: You know, I learned how to do that with the Can-Am car, the nine, 17, and 10. And if you got off the boost in, in those cars, you were just lost.

Everybody would go by you because you had to be very careful with the timing. So you would come in, do your braking, you would sort of fan the throttle to keep the boost up and then. When you would attack the throttle, you had boost and you, [00:24:00] you didn’t have a big lag that sort of went away. When you got into traffic, you really had to play your cards right on timing and pick where your windows of opportunity would be.

Same with the Audi. The Audi on the lag situation. It was not really that significant. So you would late break, get the car turn, and then the balance between the front and the rear. Was almost perfect. So you didn’t have any over steer, you didn’t have any under steer, you just had power to the ground and that was what really separated us from the rest of the guys.

Crew Chief Eric: That wouldn’t be the last time you drove with Hansuk and Walter Rural. And if we jump forward a little bit and then we’ll do, we will dance back. You actually ran in 1993 with Hans and Walter at Lama and a nine 11 turbo. Was that part of this whole group 44 contract? How did that come to be?

Hurley Haywood: No, it didn’t have anything to do with the contract with Group 44.

It was like a prototype nine 11 that we raced at Daytona and Sebring. I think it was really [00:25:00] fast. It was really a great car. And then we were also gonna race that car at Lamont with Struck myself and Walter. That was the race, if my memory’s correct. Was the race that Walter retired after, you know? So that was the end of that program.

That was a really cool car, really fast.

Crew Chief Eric: Did you guys choose to drive together or was that pre-ordained?

Hurley Haywood: It was pre-ordained. They wanted an American, which was me and Walter of course, and Hans. Were great friends and, and fantastic drivers. And very fast. So we were kicking ass in Daytona and then we had a, I think Danny Sullivan drove with us at Daytona.

There was four guys at the on the team at Daytona and mechanical failure. We were out of the race. We were leading at the time.

Crew Chief Eric: The sound of the five cylinder turbos is legendary. I mean, they sound like dragons with their tails on fire. I mean, they’re pretty raucous and fans love it. But what’s it like from inside the car?

Hurley Haywood: The tailpipe sat [00:26:00] halfway inside the cockpit and then would jump on the right side of the car, but you could definitely hear the chirping sound.

That’s what everybody loved. It would made a very distinctive sound as you would get off the power and then gradually get back on the power. It’d make that sort of fluttering sound. People just love that and, and very distinctive, and you could tell it long before the car got within sight with your eyes.

So you just knew what the car was coming. Based on the sound,

Crew Chief Eric: I wanna highlight a particular period in Audi’s experimentation, which I believe you were involved in with Bobby Unser, and that’s the infamous NASCAR Audi 200 trial, the all black version of the TransAm car that was taken to Talladega for a test run.

Can you talk a little bit about the why, the [00:27:00] what and what happened?

Hurley Haywood: Vaguely remember, remember that I think that Bobby was more involved with the Pikes Peak stuff, the Talladega run. That was kind of outside of my book, so I didn’t really pay too much attention to that. But when we decided that we were gonna do this, Audi decided that we were gonna do it, and Joe Hopin backed it up in United States.

When I went over and saw the kind of commitment that Audi was making to this program, both on the Trans AM and GTO side, I said, this is gonna be. Really, really good. Very successful.

Crew Chief Eric: So the move from TransAm to IMSA makes sense. You guys came and did what you needed to do there and moved on to an unlimited class in GTO.

How did the GTO chapter end, was it just outta sheer frustration or had Audi proven what they needed to with you and Hans behind the wheel of the GTO car, or was there something else that said, no, we’re done racing here?

Hurley Haywood: They proved what they wanted to do. They wanted to. Make the all-wheel drive system something that [00:28:00] people would look at and say, ma’am, that would be great in my car, my streetcar.

And then I really don’t know what the politics were. The decision was made. We had won the championship. Hans did a great job. I was a backup. And IMSA Joe called up and said, that’s it. We’re not coming back the next year. And I was like, Ugh, you’re kidding. And I think. One of the reasons were politics on how dominant we were.

All the other manufacturers were threatening, you know, we’re not gonna compete against this car. We’re not not gonna spend the money to compete against something that we just can’t do. And their all wheel drive systems were so far advanced from anybody else’s system that, you know, it would take the other guys a long time to catch up.

Crew Chief Eric: And in that same breath of a season, you went and drove a Ferrari F 40 at the Glen and imsa. How did that. Pan out.

Mark Raffauf (IMSA): Um, yours truly at the Ferrari Museum. I throw this in there for my own benefit, but I was the guy that had to go over there and homologate this car, Ferrari F 40, which is [00:29:00] 1989, to run in GT racing, both in the US and Europe.

So whenever I go back there, they always remind me, I did two cars with Ferrari, that one, and the 3 3 3 SP prototype. So this one sits in the Ferrari Museum. Hurley Haywood actually drove it. People don’t realize Hurley Haywood drove Audis. He drove Porsches, he drove Ferrari, he drove Jaguars, he drove a lot of stuff.

But he lives and breathes. Porsches great guy.

Hurley Haywood: Don’t ask me. Team was from Italy and they brought fantastic food with him and we have these incredible luncheon, which they would cook. And you know, all the cars that I’ve driven, I’ve driven lots of different stuff. But that was really kind of a, a strange deal.

I can’t really remember what the conditions were that I had going. That allowed me to drive the Ferri in the first place. But it was so unique that everybody said, yeah, let Haywood try it. You know, see what he thinks. And let me tell you, it was a missile that was ready to explode anytime. So I don’t think we [00:30:00] really finished any race without a major problem.

And because of the mystique of the F 40 and the sort of the emotion behind that card, behind the brand. It was sort of fun to be part of that, but from a racing standpoint, it was a real truck.

Crew Chief Eric: You were kind of wishing to be back in the Audi at that point. I can imagine. Yeah. At that time there was a lot of things going on, and the struggle was real, especially with all the penalties that they were putting against and threats of banning and and everything against Audi at that point.

But when you look back, do you feel a sense of responsibility for really representing a new era of technology? I mean, you were on the cutting edge. Racing across all disciplines outside of rally. It’s like all wheel drive in racing. Look at this. I mean, obviously it had been experimented with before, but winning behind the wheel, as you said, it proved it didn’t matter the conditions, it didn’t matter the track, what they did to the car, but when you look back, what does that mean to you to have been behind the wheel of the Audi?

Hurley Haywood: You go through history, you look at [00:31:00] cars that are really, really good cars that are really bad, and I have been really, really lucky in my career that I’ve always had the opportunity to drive great cars. Very seldom in my career have I driven a car that I didn’t like most of the time. Those are with Porsches.

You know, with the Audi deal, Porsche wasn’t racing against us, so that was a cool thing to do in the interim. You know, if you look back at my racing career, I have always driven from manufacturers that had the unfair advantage. You know, look at Porsche’s, everybody was. You know, looking at us with a nine 11, basically a nine 11 that was running against Corvettes and Mustangs and all those stars, and we were wiping them up.

I mean, it was just like we wouldn’t be too great at the beginning in qualifying, but by mid race, we’d caught up and pass all those guys. So I always had the ability to drive cars that were cutting edge cars. Look at all the Porsches that I’ve driven over the years. You know, the 9 62, [00:32:00] 9 11 RSRs. I mean, all those cars were really, really fast and very, very advanced as far as the technology goes.

Same with the, the Audi, a very short period of my raising career, but I was able to drive the latest technology and had it all work in my favor. So I was used to that. I was not an engineer. One of the things that Peter Greg taught me was drive the cars as fast as you can go, articulate what’s going on to engineers and let the engineers figure it out.

Don’t you try to engineer the car? I was not an engineer and I’ve always maintained that. I’ll drive the car, come in and tell the engineers what’s going on and they can fix it, and then I’ll go out. And if it works, fine. If it doesn’t, I’ll say that wrong direction. So if I have a good car underneath me, I’m gonna do well with it.

If I have a bad car, which has not happened often, but you know, I’ll drive it to its extent sometimes that’s enough.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, when we visited the LAMA [00:33:00] chapter of your career. One of the questions we asked was, what did Lama teach you? And so I wanted to rephrase that to ask, what did the Audi teach you? What did it bring to your driving style that you carried with you to the rest of your racing?

Hurley Haywood: I don’t think I could take what the Audi was doing with me driving it and translate that into any other car I’ve driven. All-wheel drive on a race car was something that only lasted for a very brief period of time, and then all the other manufacturers and sanctioned bodies banned four-wheel drive technology because it was so good.

You kind of learn how to cope with the advantages and disadvantages of race cars that you’re driven, and we learned how to maximize that four wheel drive technology. But when that technology was then banned worldwide, that was the end of that deal.

Crew Chief Eric: Hurley in the last couple of years, there was an Audi Heritage video that came out where they brought out all the drivers and going back to the [00:34:00] Silver Arrows days, and it was a very long retrospective and homage to Audi’s racing legacy.

And so I wanted to ask you, you know, if you could climb back in to one of your cars that you drove back then, either the TransAm or the GTO, how do you think revisiting that car today would feel for you?

Hurley Haywood: In the day that technology proved to be better than anybody else’s. When you fast forward to current cars that are on today, you know it’s a driver’s responsibility to maximize the performance of any car that he’s driving.

Whether it’s a sedan, streetcar on street tires, in a kind of vintage car racing scenario, you maximize. The limits of that car. You draw that line with a sharp pen or you draw it with a big crayon, it’s your job getting close to that limit. And every car has a different limit. Every car has a different personality.

You know? Yes, we were dominant in a TransAm and GTO, but other cars. Let’s just fast forward to the 9, 9 [00:35:00] 3, the Penske car, that car. Is so good and the engineers behind that car are so good that a lot of times the competition just can’t keep up. And they, they won the manufacturer’s championship. They won the driver’s championship, and the racing was really, really good.

They’re up against really good cars. Action Express Car, the Chevrolet, the Fords, all those cars. But Porsche has made these great cars. They’ve had great engineers and that line goes through all the cars. We, we didn’t really race against any other Porsches in the TransAm and the IMSA days. They were all big block Detroit iron.

That we were up against. So Porsche kind of sat back and said, okay, let’s check this out. But they went more conventional side and the, and the conventional, like the 9 62 was brilliant. And that car’s life span was really a long period of time. It was 10 years. I won the last major race in that car in 1991.

[00:36:00] And then they canceled that program and went with more GT based cars.

Crew Chief Eric: So you mentioned earlier, I think the key word is. Dominance. They dominated in World Rally. They dominated in TransAm. They dominated in imsa. They went on to dominate at lama. Do you think Audi can dominate in Formula One?

Hurley Haywood: You know, that’s a hard question.

I don’t know if they’re going to just supply the engine. Or whether they’re gonna supply the chassis. Formula One is a very difficult series to be in. You know, you really have, you have to have a truckload of money to make it all work. You know, the sanctioning bodies and the FIA and you know, all the people that are involved in Formula One is a hard nut to, uh, break into.

So if Audi’s willing to spend that money, then they will be successful and they’ve been successful in every racing endeavor that they’ve chosen to go into. And. We just have to see what happens.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, Hurley, I gotta personally thank you for taking the time out and connecting my [00:37:00] boyhood fantasies and and dreams and watching you on television with the reality of what was going on on the track with you behind the wheel.

I mean, it’s been an absolute honor to be able to interview you, but talk about such a. Influential time when I was coming up as a motor sport enthusiast and so this has been absolutely incredible to get your insight and your view on what it was like to be behind the wheel of the Audi. So I really appreciate you taking the time to do this.

Hurley Haywood: My pleasure. Always have a good time talking to you.

Crew Chief Eric: Thanks Harley.

Hurley Haywood: Bye. Bye.

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Highlights

Skip ahead if you must… Here’s the highlights from this episode you might be most interested in and their corresponding time stamps.

  • 00:00 Hurley Haywood Returns
  • 01:54 Injury to Audi Opportunity
  • 03:21 Audi Quattro First Test
  • 04:49 Bob Tullius Team Culture & Factory Team Dynamics
  • 08:25 Quattro Dominates TransAm
  • 09:47 IMSA 90 Quattro Monster
  • 14:17 Penalties Couldnt Stop Audi
  • 16:26 Rivals Rage and BOP Politics Begin
  • 20:03 Audi Track Antics … Hans’ Mischief Stories
  • 21:53 Walter Röhrl Wisdom: Turbo Lag Techniques
  • 24:31 Le Mans 911 Turbo Reunion
  • 25:46 The Five Cylinder Sound
  • 26:41 NASCAR Talladega Test
  • 27:33 IMSA Exit Politics & The Ferrari F40 Detour
  • 30:20 Revisiting Legends Today
  • 36:04 Can Audi Win F1?
  • 36:53 Final Thanks and Outro

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Audi wanted to make a statement in U.S. motorsport. Their first test? A nearly stock Audi 200 sedan in a 12‑hour night race at Road Atlanta. Racing seat, belts… and not much else. Soon after, Hurley was invited to inspect the new TransAm‑spec Audi Quattro. Walter Röhrl was there.

Geoffrey Hewitt Photograph Collection – courtesy Revs Institute

The car looked like a sedan, but Hurley knew immediately: “This is pretty cool” And he was right.

Fast forward to Road Atlanta… It rained. Hard.

Once the Quattro hit the track, the paddock stopped laughing at the unassuming “family sedan” and Hurley finished third overall against purpose‑built race cars; and that was all Audi needed to see.

Geoffrey Hewitt Photograph Collection – courtesy Revs Institute

The TransAm Takeover: Dominance on Four Driven Wheels

Audi’s all‑wheel‑drive system — constantly adjusting torque to whichever wheel needed it — was unlike anything TransAm had ever seen. Hurley adapted quickly. Hans‑Joachim Stuck took longer, frustrated at first by the unconventional setup. But once both drivers found the rhythm, the results were devastating.

  • Hurley won the championship.
  • Audi won the championship.

Competitors were furious. Lyn St. James recalled the frustration vividly: “You’d be hanging on for dear life in a corner… and they’d just drive right by. It was maddening.” And then the SCCA banned them – “…they said four-wheel drive is not allowed” – recalls Hurley, after two seasons with Audi. Audi had created what Mark Donohue once called “the unfair advantage.”

IMSA GTO: The Monster Audi 90 Quattro

If TransAm was impressive, IMSA GTO was outrageous. Stuck won almost everything. Hurley finished second in nearly everything else. IMSA kept adding weight, restricting intakes, and tightening rules — but nothing slowed the car down. The only reason Audi didn’t win the championship? They skipped Daytona and Sebring because the car wasn’t built for endurance.  Being in a new series meant stepping away from the 200 Sedan platform, and Audi built a tube‑frame 90 Quattro with:

  • A 5‑cylinder turbo engine
  • 700+ horsepower
  • Massive tires (14 inches wide before penalties from IMSA)
  • Constant torque vectoring
  • Brutal acceleration and unmatched braking
Getting some air at Lime Rock Park. Photo courtesy Mark Raffauf, IMSA Archives

Hurley calls it: “One of the best race cars I ever drove.” But he’s also very clear on the subject: “You couldn’t take what the Audi taught you and apply it to other cars. All-wheel Drive in racing was banned shortly after. [again]” The Audi IMSA-era was a technological comet — brilliant, fast, and unfortunately gone too soon.


Life Inside the Audi Factory Team: Lessons From Legends: Röhrl, Stuck & Haywood

Hurley describes the Audi program as the first time he experienced a truly no‑limits factory effort: “Anything we wanted, we could have. If I asked for wood paneling on the dashboard, it’d be there the next race.” German engineers, American crew, relentless development — and a team culture so strict that even the uniforms were regulated down to sock color. Hurley admits he always wore one thing slightly off‑spec just to see if Bob Tullius would notice. He always did. But he never said a word.

Geoffrey Hewitt Photograph Collection – courtesy Revs Institute

Walter Röhrl, already a rally icon, helped both Hurley and Stuck master the nuances of all‑wheel‑drive racing. He openly shared techniques — rare among elite drivers. Hurley learned:

  • How to manage torque distribution
  • How to brake late and rotate the car
  • How to keep turbo boost alive
  • and How to exploit traction where others had none

Life after Audi: Ferraris, Porsches, and the Rest of a Legendary Career

Hurley’s post‑Audi adventures included a wild stint in the Ferrari F40 LM — a car he describes as: “A missile ready to explode at any time.”

Mark Raffauf with Hurley Haywood’s IMSA F40 at the Ferrari Museum in Italy; Photo courtesy Mark Raffauf

But his heart remained with Porsche, where he continued to win in 962s, RSRs, and GT machinery. Across his career, Hurley says he was lucky: “I’ve always driven cars with the unfair advantage.”

Me paying my respects to Hurley’s Group-44 Audi TransAm at The Auto Collection in was what the Imperial Palace (now the Quad), Las Vegas in 2013.

Hurley is candid about why the Audi era ended “[Audi] proved what they wanted to do… and the other manufacturers said ‘We can’t complete with this.'” Audi packed up and left after rewriting the rulebook, mostly due to: other manufacturers protesting, sanctioning bodies scrambling, balance‑of‑performance didn’t exist yet, and Audi’s tech was simply too far ahead. But … could Audi dominate Formula 1 in the same way? Hurley’s take is measured:

  • F1 requires enormous investment
  • Audi succeeds when they commit fully
  • Their track record suggests they could dominate
  • But the politics are fierce
  • Time will tell

Even today, Audi displays the IMSA 90 Quattro behind their Formula 1 car — not the R8 prototype — as the symbol of their performance heritage.


A Legacy That Still Echoes

Hurley’s Audi years were short — just a few seasons — but their impact was massive. They changed how fans saw all‑wheel drive. They changed how manufacturers approached technology. They changed how sanctioning bodies wrote rules. (Jump to the 6:00m, and 8:40m marks in the video below to see Hurley in this Audi Heritage extended commercial).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myZ24JC7slE

Audi (and Hurley) gave us some of the most outrageous, entertaining, and controversial racing America has ever seen. Hurley sums it up best: “If I have a good car underneath me, I’m going to do well with it.”Audi gave him a great one. The rest is history.


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FCA Concours in Pasadena

Before this Ferrari Club of America (FCA) Southwest event was called “Ferraris on Colorado” or some such, but since it was in Pasadena some thought it must be in Colorado so they changed the name. It’s still on Colorado Street, venue of the famed Rose Parade. It was a great event despite rain for the second year in a row.

Photo courtesy Wallace Wyss

And Ferrari ‘s US distributor stepped up again and had a display of current cars, and, a blessing to me, free coffee, mocha, lattes, etc. which would have cost you $5 or more at the nearest Starbucks. I think this offering of free refreshments “democratizes” Ferrari a little more, I mean before you would be a bit trepidatious to walk their red carpet full of $400,000-$1 million -plus cars, but now all are welcome. Even if they are a little short in their Ferrari finance bank account.

Photo courtesy Wallace Wyss

Most outstanding was a SR1 roadster, the single-seater (the two-seater with windscreen is the SR2), and to say it was awesome is an understatement. Now I only saw it drive from its transport to the red carpet so I can’t say what the driver uses for protection out on the road in a windshield-less car. But to see it on the road among the crowd was like seeing someone riding a white charging horse. With all the myriad of US regulations it is unbelievable that a modern automaker can make such a car that captures the spirit of the Fifties.

Photo courtesy Wallace Wyss

As far as old cars owned by FCA members an outstanding one of a 330GTC with a special Dino like wraparound rear roof style, Turns out the first was built for Princess de Rethy and three more followed from Pininfarina with a design that looks lightweight but stylish. One brave 250GT owner parked his car, top down, in the rain but finally put the top up to show, yes, indeed classic Ferraris do come equipped for the weather.

Photo courtesy Wallace Wyss

There was one old GTE, and an outfit that maintains Ferrari collections for customers displayed a squeaky clean black short wheelbase Berlinetta. I was unaware there were such firms in SoCal but now understand their need. If you have several cars, you need someone to “get one ready” for an appearance, especially if you are out of town a lot.

Photo courtesy Wallace Wyss

There was one Dino 246GT but Dinos were rare at the event as were Daytonas. A 275GTB was present, without a rear bumper, though it was not a Competitzione, which has a lower profile body and more air vents.

There was a presentation for several owners whose cars were judged winners rain and all. This writer was thrilled to see his old amigo, 95-year old Manhattan Beach resident Cpt. Earl Waggoner honored. He has been in Ferrari club activities in Los Angeles for well over half a century and, though now forbidden from driving due to eye problems, always finds someone to help him get one of his two Lussos to an event.

This venue is a good one, for spectators because it’s free-free-free. Even the parking is free on adjacent city streets. There are plenty of coffee shops available in a short walk (though $5 for a cuppa java is a bit Beverly Hills-ish).

Photo courtesy Wallace Wyss

I didn’t count them but I would say there were 100 Ferraris parked side by side. Enough to bring a crowd of sightseers with dogs, baby carriages, and all (and fortunately no kids on skateboards!).

  • Photo courtesy Wallace Wyss; Details on how you can acquire this painting are available at the bottom of this post.
  • Photo courtesy Wallace Wyss; Details on how you can acquire this painting are available at the bottom of this post.

From my booth selling fine art, I especially enjoyed talking design with students from the nearby campuses of Art Center College of Design, a school which has trained a notable Ferrari designer (such as Ken Okuyama who graduated in 1986 and later returned to teach there before starting his own car company). I told the students I hope they graduate while there are still internal combustion cars.

Let’s hope next year’s event will be rain free…


EDITOR’S NOTE: Wallace Wyss welcomes news of galleries who would consider consigning Ferrari art. He can be reached at photojournalistpro2@gmail.com

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Init Esports Named Official Sim Racing Partner of the CECC for 2026–2027

Partnership unveiled at 2026 May Madness and will have male and female categories to compete in online races and qualifiers nationwide with the championships held in May 2027

WACO, Texas — May 6, 2026 — Init Esports today officially announced a partnership with Collegiate Sports Management Group (CSMG) to bring sim racing to the Collegiate Esports Commissioners Cup (CECC), the nation’s largest collegiate esports championship event. The partnership was was unveiled live on May 2 during the CECC May Madness, which is produced by CSMG, in Waco, Texas, marking a defining moment for the future of collegiate motorsports gaming.

Beginning in the 2026–2027 academic year, Init Esports and the CECC will roll out a structured collegiate sim racing program designed to give student-athletes a competitive, high-performance platform to race, develop, and earn recognition. The program will feature both male and female categories, reinforcing a shared commitment to expanding access and visibility for women in motorsports.

Additional details regarding online races, qualifiers, and the full season format will be released in the coming weeks. Colleges interested in participating are encouraged to begin assembling their sim racing teams now, so they are ready to enter the qualifying process as soon as registration opens.

Sim racing belongs in the collegiate esports landscape. Partnering with Init Esports gives the CECC a world-class operator who understands competition, athlete development, and the culture of motorsports. This is a milestone for our member institutions and for every student who has been waiting for a real path to compete in sim racing at the college level.” — Angela Bernhard Thomas, Chief Esports Officer, CECC / CSMG and EsportsU

“Bringing sim racing to U.S. colleges has been a mission of ours from day one. The CECC is the right home for this program because they share our standards: real competition, real opportunity, and real pathways for both men and women. Starting in the 2026–2027 school year, every college in America can build a sim racing team and have somewhere meaningful to race. This is just the beginning.” — Stefy Bau, Founder & CEO, Init Esports

The collegiate sim racing program will operate under the CECC competitive framework with Init Esports leading race operations, athlete experience, and the technical platform. Schedules, eligibility guidelines, and registration information will be communicated through CECC and Init Esports channels in the weeks ahead.

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About the CECC

Collegiate Sports Management Group (CSMG) is an integrated sports, entertainment, and media company committed to advancing traditional sports and esports. The company has expertise in Media Rights, Analytics, Licensing, Sponsorship Sales, Brand Building, Original Content, and Event Production. We empower sports properties, brands, and video game publishers to succeed at the crossroads of tech, sports, entertainment, and video games. Through innovation, efficiency and execution, CSMG has created transformative opportunities, driving growth in traditional sports while unifying and elevating the scholastic esports ecosystem. To learn more, visit us at https://collegiatesmg.com/.


About Init Esports

Init Esports focuses on sim racing events and digital tournaments. They bring eSports content to fans and sponsorship opportunities to brands, while maximizing audience reach across multiple sports, industries, and platforms. Init Esports is a woman-led company where Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Accessibility is in their DNA, and their platform aims to combat bullying and cheating to help make the eSports world as safe and fair as possible. To learn more, be sure to logon to www.initesports.gg today or follow them on social media @initesports, join their discord, check out their YouTube Channel, or follow their live content via Twitch.

At Init Esports, founder and CEO Stefy Bau doesn’t just settle for the ordinary. She creates extraordinary experiences by producing thrilling online competitions and real-life events that transcend the boundaries of the eSports universe. And she’s here with us on Break/Fix to share her story, and help you understand why you need to get more involved in the world of eSports. 

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A Guided Tour of IMSA: Mark Raffauf’s Living History of American Sports Car Racing

When The Logbook (our “History of Motorsports” series) turned its attention to IMSA, it did more than revisit a racing organization — it tapped into the memory of someone who lived its evolution from the inside. As the transcript opens, we’re reminded that few figures have shaped, documented, and safeguarded IMSA’s legacy quite like Mark Raffauf, a man who has spent over five decades inside the heartbeat of American sports car racing.

Photo courtesy Mark Raffauf, IMSA Archives

Raffauf’s keynote — delivered as the Jean S. Argetsinger Address — is part personal memoir, part technical chronicle, and part love letter to the people who built IMSA from a bold idea into a global motorsports force. His stories span eras, rule books, rivalries, and revolutions. What follows is a curated journey through that history, retold as a cohesive narrative for readers who want to understand how IMSA became what it is today.

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IMSA’s origin story begins not with a boardroom meeting, but with a conversation outside the Turn 4 tunnel at Daytona. As Raffauf recounts, it all started with a call from NASCAR’s Bill France to John Bishop — the man who would become IMSA’s founding architect. France’s pitch was simple: “We need to do a road racing program with a NASCAR business mindset behind it.”

Photo courtesy Mark Raffauf, IMSA Archives

That partnership, along with support from Cameron and Jean Argetsinger and the SCCA lineage Bishop brought with him, set the stage for a new era of American road racing.

Bio

Mark Raffauf’s career in motorsports embodies the ideal combination of a successful motorsports professional who has embraced the writing of history. Mark is both a fine historian and has been a key player in the success of the IMSA series from its inception to the current day. His early career coincided with the extraordinary accomplishments of John Bishop, founder of IMSA, former President of SCCA and one of the key founders of the IMRRC in Watkins Glen. Mark’s keynote address, laced with engaging anecdotal tales and an accurate, factual description of the series, covers his own colorful career in motorsports and the emergence and remarkable success story of IMSA racing over the course of more than forty years.

Mark Raffauf
Mark Raffauf, currently IMSA's Senior Director of Competition, has held IMSA positions through many iterations of IMSA and Grand-Am, including being the second president, in overall management, technical and car regulation development, as well as event, circuit, starting, and racing operations. He is the author, with Mitch Bishop, of IMSA 1969-1989: The Inside Story of How John Bishop Built the World's Greatest Sports Car Racing Series and IMSA 1990-1999: The Turbulent Years of American Sports Car Racing.

Synopsis

In this episode of The Logbook, our History of Motorsports Series, Mark Raffauf traces IMSA’s nearly 60-year evolution from John Bishop and Bill France’s founding phone call to today’s hybrid era. Raffauf recounts IMSA’s early experiments with Formula Fords/Vees, the shift to closed-wheel GT racing, the creation of Camel GT, RS/“little car” series on street tires, and All American GT, plus innovations like road-racing stock cars, Group 5, and GTP prototypes developed with the ACO to keep cars available to private teams. He highlights major manufacturers and iconic cars (Porsche 935/962, BMW CSL, Greenwood Corvette, Mazda rotary, Audi 90 GTO, Jaguar, Nissan, Toyota, Ferrari 333 SP), the growth of street races and Firestone Firehawk, rising speeds and safety limits, ownership turmoil, the IMSA split into ALMS and Grand-Am, and the eventual merger leading to today’s booming IMSA with strong OEM support and advanced hybrid prototypes.

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Transcript

[00:00:00] Break Fix’s History of Motorsports Series is brought to you in part by the International Motor Racing Research Center, as well as the Society of Automotive Historians, the Watkins Glen Area Chamber of Commerce and the Arge Singer family.

On this episode of the Logbook, we opened with a figure whose career doesn’t just intersect with American sports car racing history. He’s documented it. Mark Raffauf has spent more than five decades inside the heartbeat of the International Motor Sports Association, better known to us as imsa. Shaping its rule book, guiding its evolution and preserving its stories with the clarity of someone who lived every chapter from the inside, from his earliest days.

Working alongside John Bishop, IMSA’s, founder and former SECA President and a driving force behind the I-M-R-R-C at Watkins Glen Mark witnessed the organization’s rise from a bold idea to one of the most influential forces in global motor sport. His path through technical leadership, car regulation, development, and event [00:01:00] operations, places him among the few who truly understand how the sport grew, fractured, reinvented itself and ultimately thrived.

In his Gene S Ainger keynote address, mark weaves together vivid anecdotes and precise historical detail tracing both his own colorful career and the remarkable 60 year arc of IMSA racing. It’s a story of innovation, resilience, and personalities told by someone who helped write the rule book and later wrote the history itself.

Mark is now IMSA’s senior director of competition and co-author with Mitch Bishop of two definitive volumes on the series. IMSA 1969 to 1989, the inside story of how John Bishop built the world’s greatest sports car racing series and imsa, 1990 to 99, the turbulent years of American sports car racing.

Together, they formed the written counterpart to the perspective he brings on the stage tonight. So without further ado, here is Mark Raffauf giving us a guided tour through 60 years of IMSA’s influence, evolution, and enduring legacy. [00:02:00] So please welcome Mark Raffauf. Thank you.

So I’m gonna try and give you 56 years of history in about 45 minutes. It’s all visual. You don’t have to read anything other than that logo. Which I was inspired last night at the theater watching the film about Cameron and Gene Ainger starting the racing here, and wanted to say that John and Peg Bishop, who are given the credit for founding IMSA with help from people like Cameron and Gene Bill France at nascar.

They’re from Cortland, jc, and Duke’s father was the one that convinced John Bishop to become the executive director of the SCCA in the sixties, which under his oversight created the Canam. TransAm and Formula 5,000. The schism that was brought up earlier or in that film about pro racing drivers versus amateur racing drivers, and the attitude of the SCCA at that time is what had John resign.

And shortly after that, he got a call from Bill France in Daytona. [00:03:00] Bill, John Cameron all knew each other from Sebring, 24 hours of Daytona, SCCA, sort of sanctioning other major events. And I wanted to start with that because kind of it all started right here along with a lot of other things. And what I’m gonna try and talk about is the people, not just the individuals, but they had groups of people they surrounded themselves with really smart people, really enthusiastic, and a passionate people for five decades through various ownerships and so on.

So I start with this. This is actually resides in the I-M-R-R-C. It is John Bishop’s original artwork of the logo of IMSA from day one. It has a little water spot on the eye up there, so he was a little sloppy with his watercolors. Anyway, it all started with a phone call between these two guys, both France on the right, John Bishop on the left.

They’re sitting outside the turn four tunnel at Daytona. Bill called him up and said, we need to do a road racing program with a NASCAR business mindset behind it. Away they went. So what was first Pocono International Raceway? This is actually the cover [00:04:00] of the program of the very first IMSA race at Pocono, which is on the little, I think it’s an eighth mile oval on the Tri Oval area.

And, uh, I don’t know that John designed it, but I bet he had something to do with it. So we started with Formula Fords. Initially there were small ovals that worked out pretty good. So Bill Fran said, well, let’s go to Talladega in Daytona with 50 formula Fords. That didn’t necessarily work as well because they ran around in big packs and had huge accidents.

So we said, okay, we’re not doing that anymore. The same time they started a Formula V program. So IMSA’s legacy and throughout its careers of five decades always had open wheel elements. John and the little staff at the time tried that. It was great racing until they crashed into each other, which all you needed was one guy to sneeze in the middle of the pack, and you had a 20 car pile up.

So we decided that wasn’t a good idea. You could see how it sort of generates into pack racing with these guys. Great stuff, but kind of scary. So what was the next idea? We need closed wheel cars. John decided he would take his background in TransAm. We’ll take those Camaros Mustangs [00:05:00] Javelins. We’ll mix it up with F-I-A-G-T cars.

Porsche nine elevens in this case. That’s I think Peter, Greg being chased by Juan Montalvo and a two liter escort from Europe. These were little GT cars and we mixed ’em up with the big GT cars. And next thing you know, in 1972, there was the Camel gt, which RJ Reynolds Tobacco came in, recognized it as a good product and away that went.

The other thing we did was we created a series for what was then the new little cars. So in this you got a Fiat, a Gremlin, a Mazda, a Pinto, and I think that’s a Volvo in the back. But John was astute enough and IMSA was a student enough to realize all these manufacturers had no place to race their new product.

So we created this and that’s when little cars, but I think the first Honda to ever race in the United States was a civic and imsa. Most of these brands, BMW and others just grew from this into gt cars and bigger cars. The American manufacturers, we had the Pinto, the Gremlin, and other similar cars. And what was great about this, they were running on street tires.

They took BFGs [00:06:00] initially, good years, shaved them down to three 30 seconds so they wouldn’t fall apart. And you could run around Daytona as an example. Tom Wall, in about 1975, did a closed course record at Talladega at over 150 miles an hour. And an A MC Hornet on street tires. Street tires on race cars, not new, but running a whole series on ’em was a relatively new idea.

So this grew great. It also provided the cars that could fill the back of the GT fields as that grew in 72 and 73, raced in the daytime, raced at night, and then we got into the mid seventies. By that point, people like Porsche, BMW Ford with their Capris. Most of the European manufacturers would build a limited run of customer race cars, Porsche Carreras or whatever.

Back then, I think Porsche made about 5,009 elevens a year. I think GM made about 300,000 Camaros. So to equate a Camaro with a Porsche was a technical. Problem. So John, and this is his original artwork, decided to apply what the [00:07:00] FIA applied to the European cars, to American cars. And he created more or less by himself all American gt.

This happens to be a Vega, which was replaced rapidly by the Chevy Mazda. And that became the mainstay, along with John Greenwood’s, big Corvettes to compete against the European brands. And that’s really where IMSA’s growth started in production car racing, which was GT cars. So that was the first A A GT car, which of course is a Vega.

Looks a little bit like the drawing, but that didn’t last long. And as back to more RS cars, this is a typical RS race at Daytona. In this same timeframe, car and driver Pinto is up there. Nick crawl, president of the SECA in the BMW in second, George Alderman who drove in the first formula forward race at Pocono is in the lead in turn one in the wet.

Lebanza Al Holbert doing an engine change during the 24 hour race, a planned engine change, which wasn’t really the best way to go about a 24 hour race, but they did it anyway. We did Formula Atlantic. We co sanctioned the Formula [00:08:00] Atlantic Series in the era of Vinu and Ray Hall and Elliot Forbes Robinson.

The Canadians did the Canadian races. IMSA did the US races. 1976. This is I think, the ski rule car that’s Vinu in the back. So this is 1976 Road Atlanta. Those of you who know the track will be stunned at what the place looked like in 1976, but you see Camaros, Porsches, la Manza. This was the Manza that first all around A A GT victory, Al Holbert in the car.

There’s four or five of these little two minute clips of video. And this wasn’t video. This was film because video hadn’t been invented yet. And just to show you what the tracks were like, what the cars looked like, and not just still pictures, but this car was the first mass produced tube frame race car before nascar, before anybody else.

14 of those were built. By Decon and three or four other constructors built cars to the same rules, but they had six liter Chevys in the front of a Chevy Mazda in a tube frame [00:09:00] chassis. But the car captured the look of the road car just as the CSL and the Corvette, which was the intent. Marketing wise.

The cars had to look like what they were supposed to look like. But you can see here the front straightaway at Atlanta, there’s no pit lane on the right as there is now. There actually was a stream over there where people would be periodically pulled out of the water and there we have it on. Al Holbert winning the first All American GT overall victory at Road Atlanta in 1976.

Those were the two main antagonists. That’s Michael Kaiser on the right with Milt Minner a lot of times, and Al Holbert who used Doc Bundy, a whole bunch of other drivers, but I didn’t want to talk too much about that, but beautiful car people remember them today and still go, you know what? For something from the mid seventies, it’s still kind of a current looking piece of hardware.

That was the antagonist for everybody, which is the Porsche, RSR. This is Mike Kaiser before he got the Mazda. But this car was sold in 1974. Brand new three liter Porsche, RSR was $23,000. Of course there’s inflation, but it still was a pretty good deal. The other great car, the air was the [00:10:00] C-S-L-B-M-W. This came about.

In 1975, the factory decided IMSA in the US was the place to race. So they gave up their touring car program in Europe and brought the whole mess. Ronnie Peterson, Brian Redmond, Zi, Alan Moffitt, they brought the whole factory deal over here. They came to Daytona, didn’t do too well. Moved into Bobby Allison shops in Hueytown, Alabama, and converted the cars from European touring cars to NASCAR stock cars with triple door bars and stiffened them all up, and then became the cars to beat because of that.

That’s a typical, let’s turn one at at Laguna in that same era, but Monza, Monza, BMW, Carl Schaeffer’s, big Block. Camaro. Porsche. Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Charlie, Kemp’s, Mustang, at the very top on the right, which was also an All American GT car. And then we decided we’d go stock car racing. So we invented American Challenge.

This is Gene Felton in a Buick Skylark. We didn’t know what we were gonna do with them, but we basically created a class, and I want to emphasize all of this stuff you see here, John Bishop and the staff at the time, we’d sit around and say, what do we need? To have for our product. Our [00:11:00] product is entertainment.

We’re not here to set the world on fire. We’re here to entertain people. Go to places like Road Atlanta and Road America and have people come and watch. This is all before television as well. So we created this, we ran ’em with our GT cars for a couple years, and then Kelly came along and we ran 10 years of.

Of American stock cars, which NASCAR tried to do at the same time. Didn’t court work out as well as ours did, but road racing stock cars was a new idea. Again, sat around one day and decided what do we need to do? We need something like that. We need these kind of cars to be on the racetrack in some way.

Again, this is Riverside BMW’s, out front Ford Capri behind Gaggle of Porsche’s. Great shot of Bert’s car. Beautiful cars, beautifully turned out. And then we got into group five. So now you see the beginning of the big wings and things, and the extended front splitters car in the back is Chris Cord’s Mazda.

The car in the front is David Hobbes and the McLaren BMW three 20. I turbo. Also a factory deal, but run out of McLaren in, in Detroit. Group five came along, and again, it was the same situation. The OE in Europe made nine [00:12:00] 30 fives, a few of these BMWs, and then they became the dominant cars. John Bishop always wanted a product that the little guy private team could win the big races in.

So Daytona Sebring, there had to be something that you were not dependent on a car company to have to have a car because after a year or two, those guys quit making ’em. So every generational shift technically in IMSA GT racing has been due to coming up with something new that would take the place of OE Manufacture built purpose race cars, and have it available to anybody who wanted to buy it.

And that was an underlying theme for five decades. That’s the other big monsters, the big Greenwood Corvettes. This particular car at Daytona in 1974 did 212 miles an hour. It pit in at Daytona. It’s the size of a small house that has a 494 cubic inch cross ram Can-Am engine in it. It’s got tires on the back big enough for a semi, but it was fast.

How did that work against the Porsches? Technically everybody got 32 gallons of gas. So 250 miles [00:13:00] at Daytona. This car was two to three seconds, a lap faster than most of the other cars, but had to make two more pit stops to get the fuel and what happened In the end, they converged, and the racing was really quite excellent because of that.

Another great shot at BMW at Sebring in the old days where you could see between the car and the big airplanes, there’s nothing. But that’s the way it was. Gives you an idea. That’s the winning car from 1975. But yeah, these constellations, DC sixes, DC sevens lined up there, they’re basically cutting them up for scrap, but there’s a little vestige of a snow fence there in front of the windscreen.

But there’s nothing between parked airplanes and the race cars. There’s a shot from Daytona same year where. There’s actually trees there, which of course have been long chopped up by spectators for firewood or whatever, but there’s no more trees in Daytona. Another good shot of Chris k Manza, mid Ohio.

Again, beautiful cars. This is now 1978 and this is a pretty important year technically. Two front row cars are factory 9 35 Porsches. One’s a customer car, which is Kramer, and the other one [00:14:00] is the martini factory car. Behind them are the two in all Terra GTP cars. GTP came about through a collaboration with the A CO and the Lamar people to develop a prototype car that a number of private constructors could build and powered by engines that anybody could buy.

So those two cars are powered by Cosworth, three Liter Cosworth, kind of a dune Formula one engine. They actually did pretty well, but a lot of people don’t understand that that was a collaboration with the A CO. It then led to bigger political issues in a few years with the FIA. But we’ll get to that. So every time we came out with new cars, Daytona’s the first race, it’s the Super Bowl race.

At no time did any new car. Beat the old cars at Daytona when they first came out until the DPI cars in the mid 20 teens. The car that won is a little 43 Hurley Haywood up there in the upper right Porsche Carre, RSR. It’s been in the game since 1974. It’s been four years and it’s still a competitive, big race winning car.

All this other stuff broke or crashed. So that’s part of it. Again, another shot [00:15:00] showing you. The first prototype of the turbo car is the Zero zero Car, which Interscope had, which was driven by Dan and Guy is Factory car, Kramer car, one of the GTP. In Alters. We talked about consequential racetracks, a couple shots from Lime Rock.

This is before the Chica. When you have 850 horsepower going up a hill. Wish was, I hate to say, kind of normal. There’s even a more dramatic one. These cars were, uh. Absolutely terrible to drive. You had to really be on your game. Very difficult to drive huge amount of power based on a standard nine 11 shell, kind of a flexible flyer until they got here and everybody stiffened them up.

Huge rear tires, tiny, small front tires. Aerodynamically, eh, not that good either. In those days you could run a twin turbo set up, or a single turbo set up with two different specifications of weight because of lag. No electronics existed yet to control turbo lag. So two small turbos. Worked a little better, but the big one made more power.

So this is a rare photograph of Peter Greg’s two cars, that road Atlanta, trying to decide which one he would race. One’s a single, one’s [00:16:00] a double. Then they morphed into, this is JLP three. They began to get Kramer body work, body work design in California. And I would say by 19 79 80, we’d have 15,930 fives on the grid.

One BMW, one or two Ford Mustang Z speed cars. But of the 15,930 fives, no, two of ’em the same. Every team got the cars hot, rotted ’em, changed them. The rules then philosophically were, if it didn’t say you couldn’t, you could, they had dry ice in the inner coolers. They had fon sprays in the intercos for qualifying, and everybody said they were cheating and we’re going, well, no, it doesn’t say you can’t do that.

So they’re just being a little more innovative than you are. Try it, see if it works for you. So it generated a lot of diversity. Hot rods. This is, uh, lagoon Deka. It’s Ray Hall on the Nine and Fitzpatrick. Whittington Brothers Ford, Zach. Speed Mustang pretty evenly matched in speed. Down the back straightaway at Daytona.

Little lock up there. Yo. But you could see Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, [00:17:00] Porsche, Porsche, Paul Newman, and a Nissan Ford. Somebody crashing the end all car. But again, we got to another point where if you didn’t have a Porsche 9 35, which you could no longer get, you had to build one out of a wreck street car or something like that.

And that’s what they did. But we got to the point where it was all the same car with one or two exceptions. So we needed this GTP concept to generate. Something new, and that was the Lola T 600. Also, the first customer, GTP car built about 15 of those. That’s J, that’s the ultimate form of the the 9 35, which by then in 82, 83 was running full ground effects.

Still a rear engine car, but the only thing left that was a nine 11 would be the front windshield cow, and side windows. The rest of it, as you can see, is heavily different from a nine 11. Again, all allowed. Shot from Daytona. These cars were great. They had mechanical waste gates. They made all kinds of weird noises.

Spectators love them. They burned a lot of excess fuel through the turbo, so every time you got off the [00:18:00] engine, you got a big flame out the back. So it was kind of spectacular to watch these cars and hear them. They were not just a visual thing, they were a great sensory overload in every regard. RS cars.

They’re still around, running around on street tires. Now you see Dotson’s Gremlins still Gremlins Mazda in the back, BMW 2002. This series created an entire industry of people that IMSA tried to establish early on who then made their entire lives their business in racing. Roger Mandeville with Mazda’s, Amos Johnson, a number of people built their entire life and business.

Starting with these cars, we always had a place or always wanted a place. And this series in particular, along later with the Firestone Fire Hawk series, provided a place for the average guy to go racing. You didn’t have to be elite, you didn’t have to have a lot of money, but you could go out, you could have a great time.

And I wanna say up till this point, one of the things IMSA did was we paid everybody something. You might have won 50 bucks back then. [00:19:00] 50 bucks was two nights in a hotel room, so you could go to registration on Sunday afternoon and get paid in cash to get home. But we did that for a decade. It was a completely novel thought process that you would actually get paid to do this even if you were last.

But that was the philosophy. We paid everybody and it was appreciated. You also got an apple at registration. When you went to get your credentials. You got Peggy Bishop would give you an apple. So that was kind of cool too. So this is a typical RS race at Daytona. Mob racing. The only thing that made it better than Formula Fours is they had fenders and the wheels didn’t come off.

So there was a lot, a lot of stuff about that, but there’s probably 10 different kinds of cars in that picture. But that was what it was all about. You know, little guys racing who then became big guys later on, and that was really important to us to make that possible. Road America First Race. Road America 500 took us a while to crack the Cliff Tufty wall as well.

But finally they realized that if they wanted to do this, they had to have a bigger race than what they had at the time. But this is the Road America 501st year. See the crowd’s [00:20:00] great. The little BMW won that race 500 miles. It’s the longest it ever ran and its entire career, which is pretty good. The pit lane, no speed limit.

A lot of brave people in my opinion, but that’s what it looks like. That’s Fitzpatrick, leaving him from a fuel stop. But that’s the old pagoda, which when, uh, Lee Hall, who was the president at the time, said they were gonna take it down, I volunteered to fly to Wisconsin so that I could light the fire on one end that would burn it to the ground, which was the easiest way to get rid of it.

Mazdas were huge technical innovations with rotary engines. They provided a 330 horsepower car for virtually nothing in money compared to piston engines, and we had lots of ’em that’s cant racing. Uh, Lee Mueller, Kathy Rud, another weird great car, the R five Turbo by Patrick, Chuck Mart. Unfortunately, he.

Was killed in it at Midio testing, but this was one of the other interesting cars that Im SA fostered sometimes writing special rules for special manufacturers to enable them to be there. The Zak speed Mustangs, again, blowing a lot of [00:21:00] unused gas out the exhaust pipe. Klaus Ludwig, Ray Hall, Kevin Cogan, great Cars, two liter turbos.

It’s gotten kind of complicated at this point. Some of the other fun things that happened. This is testing Fitzpatrick’s nine 30 5K three the week before Lama on the highway in German. So the crews would go over and build up these cars at Kramer and then take ’em right to Lama, but you had to run ’em a little bit.

So took it out on the Audubon, gave it a little stroll down the highway, right? With a Volkswagen next to it. So if you read the sign, let’s see, Doman, yeah, calm, they were, weren’t calm, basically. A lot of that stuff went on all the time. Sometimes here, but in Europe it was routine to get a cake plate, which is a Kramer plate.

It was a dealer plate, but they just stuck it on the race car and took it out on the highway. So at this point, 82, we have three series. We have Camel GT Champion, spark Plug was the RS Cars. We had a 15 year relationship with that company. 12 years with Kelly Kelly Services with the Kelly American Challenge.

And at this point we started working with Skip Barber on this Barber Sob series Open Wheel Cars, which generated people like Diego [00:22:00] Montoya, Juan Montoya, Brian hurt a lot of IndyCar people. Paul Tracy ran in Skip Barber’s beginning Pro series, but that was just starting and we were just contemplating another shot of Road America.

Crowds were starting to get quite large at this time. Late eighties, early nineties. The 9 35 kept morphing into more bizarre high speed. This is a Moby Dick version actually. It’s the end dial car done in Preston Hens colors at Road America, which you could see it’s quite a long way from a nine 11. It’s flatter, wider.

And then came this piece. This is the Lola T 600, which was the first production series built GTP car. Eric broadly told Brian Redmond, I need two orders. These cars cost $75,000 in 1981. Get me two orders and we’ll build them. And they ended up building about 15 of them. This was run by Garson Enterprises who had run Porsches and basically Brian Redmond won the first race as a true ground effects car with tunnels, which was fairly new concept at that time.

How differently the [00:23:00] car could use the racetrack over a conventional car. The downforce and aerodynamic development, two biggest changes in this kind of racing in 40 years are tire development and aero development. The engines made 800 horsepower 45 years ago that no big deal. Cheaper to make that power these days.

But arrow and tires is what move these kind of cars. And in some cases you’ll see outside the boundaries of what the race tracks could handle. John and Bill France always had a theory that the car needed to be bigger than the track, and that worked until something. Bad happened and then you had to kinda rethink that philosophy.

So by the late eighties, these kind of cars had morphed into going to every racetrack We went, for instance here before the bus stop, the end of the back strait away was about 210 Laguna Seca before they made the inner loop turned two up the hill at the bridge, 205. Mid Ohio, two 10. Every track we went to the cars were faster than Indy cars, and at the tracks we shared, like at Road America and Portland Cars actually did faster lap times in an [00:24:00] Indy car.

We were pushing that envelope by the late eighties. But again, some views very simple. This is kind of, those are familiar with Lola’s. It’s kind of like a Lola T 70 from the sixties tub with a six liter Chevy V eight. This is a Franz Lease Chaparral engine car. 75 grand. The engines were like 35, 40 grand.

So Porsche 9 35 when you could last buy one was well over $200,000 from Porsche. And this was a much more cost effective. Most of the teams that got these were not OE manufacturer related, but they were race teams. And when the business of racing and we were trying to create an environment where they could be successful as teams with sponsors and everything else.

So we kept morphing to new cars and everybody says, well, how did you think of this? Pretty simple. We needed a car that was half the price that could perform as good or better than what already existed. And then we figured out moving backwards from that end point of how to get there techniques. And what was frightening is none of us were engineers, but there were simple pieces of this, which were, the engine had [00:25:00] to be made available to anybody who wanted to buy it.

Car had to have two distinct things. It had to carry 32 gallons of gas. The driver’s feet had to be behind the center line of the front axles when the pedals were depressed. This was the era where India and F1 guys all had broken feet and legs ’cause they stuck out and they were the first thing to hit the fence.

And when they went into it. But you can watch this video from Laguna of how this car could just kind of drive around people. That’s Danny and guys in a Porsche. He just drove by him like he was tied to a tree. That’s John Paul. Same thing. He’s taking an outside line and turn 10 that you don’t normally do.

You’re in the inside and he just drove by and it’s all because of the ground. There’s another good shot of watch how it’s squares off these corners compared to the Porsche. It just was an amazing revelation because people didn’t realize what the impact of that technology would be until they saw it and went, oh.

We need to get one of these. So that was sort of the end of the 9 35. This is the first race that the car raced in and it won. It started fifth. Brian Redmond worked his way through the field, not by going any faster, but the speed the car could run. You [00:26:00] could run the whole race at, well, the nine 30 fives, the Fords, all those other cars had tire degradation.

They had too much power on two back wheels. These cars have the right amount of power, the right weight and the arrow package just made ’em really good. Another limerock shot. This is, uh, one of the coolest cars we ever developed with Audi, which also became the biggest pain in the butt for us. But this is, uh, the Audi 90 GTO car, full tube frame, five cylinder inline turbo hunch Stook, Hurley Haywood, and occasionally Walter Royal, the rally driver, who even people like hunch Stook said when he showed up.

I raced for second. The man was amazing. So this is Lime Rock again, doing wheelies up the hill. The intriguing thing was constant all-wheel drive car, which meant it applied the drive you wanted on each wheel based on the grip level that the car was sensing that it needed. It wasn’t 20% front, 80% back, it was applying that drive to the wheels as it saw it needed.

So the hard part of it was we started it out. Goodyear made ’em special tires. 14 inches wide. We realized after a couple [00:27:00] races, they didn’t go to Daytona and Sebring because they didn’t think they could finish. So. They started on 14th. We summed down two, three races, changed that to 12 and then changed it to 10, a couple races later, and the end result was, it made no difference.

The 10 inch wide tires work just as good as the 14 inch tire. Part of the reasons and the learning experience for us was technically what’s going on with a car like this is the tire degradation is way better. The load of slowing down is spread over all four wheels. The braking was much better. And the acceleration was phenomenal.

And there’s some video of people like Ook would just pass people in the dirt or the grass because the car could do that. So the rest of the guys are like, what’s he doing? He just drove me around me on the dirt. So it was an amazing car. It is probably, in my opinion, one of the coolest, most technically advanced things that IMSA created.

We did some other stuff, but this one was sort of a challenge for them and us to do this. They won the TransAm the year before with a car, an Audi 100. Made out of a real production shell. [00:28:00] This has nothing to do with that other than the greenhouse silhouette and so on, so forth. But spectacular Car two remain.

One is here in USA and one is in Germany. And the significance to Audi is when they just showed their first concept Formula One car, the car that’s behind the Formula one car in their display is that car, not the R eight prototype. That’s off to the side, but that car is right there. That embodies Audi’s performance thing, and it’s 1989.

Pretty amazing what they were able to do and how they did it. So more pictures. Here’s the L is now taken the front all the time. And then Bob Tulia showed up with Jaguars with Big V 12 engines. One of the only teams in history whose people were always dressed in white and never got dirty. Not sure how they did that, but I think they had enough uniforms in the truck that if you did, you had to go change right away.

But yeah. How many people have white crew guys, you know, beautiful car. Lee Drester design actually originated by Mike Dale, who was the head of uh, Jaguar, USA, had nothing to do with England. They didn’t want anything to do with it, so they did it here themselves [00:29:00] again. One of IMSA’s goals was to provide the industry designers constructors, the opportunity to make a living and a business in this kind of race.

So another example of that beautiful car. This is the hairpin at Miami. In the first treat races, which is the next sort of episode where we talked about racing on roads. Well, it came back with a vengeance in the eighties. At one point we had five downtown street races. Different concept, which was we’re gonna bring this show to people.

In their face, which is gonna mess up their town for at least a month so they’ll know it’s happening. Okay? The buses didn’t run. It was, we messed everything up. But when all said and done, we turned on a lot of people to the game that would not have otherwise ever seen it, and it was spectacular to watch another innovation.

The first plastic engine, it was tour on two liter. Most of the internal components are carbon or plastic, sponsored by Amaco. It actually got two podium finishes in Camel Lights. This is also early eighties. So we had a lot of innovative stuff going on and welcomed it. You know, we looked at what [00:30:00] we did as a place for people to try new things.

Some of ’em worked, some of ’em didn’t. But I threw this in here only because a lot of people don’t know about it, but. It actually scored two third places in a pretty competitive category in an engine made outta plastic. This is interesting. This is John Bishop’s original drawing, which he drew in the meeting when we started arguing with Porsche between the 9 5 6 group C car and our desire for a different kind of car.

So what’s different? We put out our GTP rules with the A CO in 1980. It required that engine to be available, no aluminum roll cages, which the FIA insisted was okay, which never was. Everyone we ever saw failed and the driver had to be behind the front axle. John actually sketched this in the boardroom at Porsche Stuttgart and showed it to him and says, here, you can lengthen it in the back or you can lengthen it in the front, but you gotta make it longer to get the driver moved.

And you can’t have aluminum roll cages, and you gotta have an engine that everybody can get. So the group C formula, for those who don’t know, was a fuel formula, more [00:31:00] endurance championship Lama took kind of the same thing, the 56 version, the group C car, which was shorter driver out front, the one that Stefan Beov was killed in its spa.

And it probably, I don’t wanna say it would be avoidable, but the way he was positioned in the car and what happened to the car was tragic. Should not have been that bad, but it did. They lasted about two years. And then finally after some bad accidents in Group C, they adopted IMSA’s GTP rules because it made sense.

And again, none of us are engineers, but we just looked at this thing and said. This can’t be right. There is a better way to do this, and we just did what we thought was correct. 9 56 is probably the least successful Porsche car in that regard. In the 62, I think they built 145 of them. So you think about that 145 race cars that started at about 300 grand and at the end a decade later were 700 grand, but they still built 145 of ’em and sold them.

So that’s what the fields kind of look like. You got a Porsche Buick, March Jaguars. We had a lot of diversity. We had nine OE manufacturers in [00:32:00] GTP in the eighties, as well as, I think five or six more in Camel Light, which was a lower division using normally aspirated engines, which is kind of where the gentleman guys went ’cause it was an easier car.

These things started getting really fast. Miami, this is what street racing was like in the early eighties. Biscayne Boulevard. On the right pit lanes to the left. You could see cars coming around. Turn one. It was amazing to do this. I remember the first race had Sterling Moss as the color commentator on tv, and he was just fascinated because street racing at that point was pretty much Monaco.

That was it. So we did this, then we did West Palm, then we did San Antonio, then we did Columbus, then we did New Orleans, and we just kept going. And the economic benefit was huge. The pushback from people whose businesses got messed up and couldn’t get on the bus and everything else was equally great.

Noise wasn’t that big of an issue because everybody knew it was gonna be noisy. Just to give you an example, race control, the high rise building on the left was a new building and we were like 20 stories up and had a commanding [00:33:00] view of the entire area. This is right along Biscayne Bay. The cruise ship port is to the left.

It was just spectacular. Great idea. Firestone Fire Hawk. All right, other great idea. We took street cars. Told everybody to take the carpets out, put a bolt-in, roll cage in it that you could take out. If we ask you to take out, in other words, it could not be firmly affixed to the car. It had to be bolted in steel fire bottle.

That was it. Belts and a seat. Go race it. So those were street cars, which everybody said there’s no fuel cells, there’s none of this, none of that. The standard of construction of these cars in that day was such that they were. Five layers of steel around the fuel tank already. It was past the Ford Pinto I explode experiences of a decade earlier.

They were pretty solid cars. We’d roll these things up and what was cool is you could wreck it on a test day, go down a dealership, buy another one, and build it overnight and go race the next day. How bad was that? But you could see there’s Dodge Chargers, BMWs, Camaros, Mustangs, just about everything you could.

Now, what happened over time? We had three or four categories. [00:34:00] Each category, we listed a group of cars, and out of that group, maybe three or four were really in that configuration, competitive with each other. Some of them were just hopeless. You didn’t wanna run eos, they were terrible, but people tried.

Picture of a Jaguar V 12, six and a half and seven liter engines based on the production Jaguar engine. Beautiful sound, very competitive. Another great picture from Sebring where you can see this Porsche is going down hangar straight at about 180. And there are people sitting in the grass to the left, and then there’s a chain link fence, and then there’s more people.

And somehow we didn’t manage to kill anybody, though. We certainly had all the parts to do that. No big accidents, but not what we do today. But this is about mid eighties. Bruce Levin’s car, Daytona at night. Just a cool shot. That’s a Nissan GTP car in the last one. And an interesting thing is the what shown this week.

Of course, with endurance racing, we got the moniker of Racing with a Difference. We race at night and we race in the rain, and sometimes we race at night in the rain, which makes it really nasty. What I’m [00:35:00] trying to illustrate here is just how people have adapted these cars to take on different race lengths, different kinds of racetrack, angling the lights out so that you could see where the wall was, was essential.

This is pre-live tv. During the races, so now it’s lit somewhat better. You can actually drive Daytona at night without headlights. People can’t see you coming, but you could see where you’re going. But back then you had to have lights and they had to work and they had to work this way. And places like Sebring, the old 5.2 mile track, part of which was that 86 Havelin car.

If you lost your headlights or your alternate or your battery went dead, there were times where guys just stopped and had to wait till the end of a session ’cause they couldn’t find their way back to the pits. That dark, certainly at speed, you wouldn’t even try to pretty, uh, heroic if you won there in those conditions.

As a driver, it was not just consequential, it was heroically consequential. Okay. Castrol Jag. These are the English cars from Walkinshaw. They replaced Jaguar finally adopted the GTP concept for Group C as well, so they were able to build new cars. Came in a variety of forms, V [00:36:00] twelves at seven liters, twin turbo v sixes.

The XJR 14, which comes up later was the Ross Bra Design Formula One designers version of a car powered by a Cosworth. But really super big program. Castrol, yours truly at the Ferrari Museum. I throw this in there for my own benefit, but I was the guy that had to go over there and homologate this car, Ferrari F 40, which is 1989 to run in GT racing, both in the US and Europe.

So whenever I go back there, they always remind me I did two cars with Ferrari. That one in the 3 3 3 SP prototype, which will come up in a bit. So this one sits in the Ferrari museum. Hurley Haywood actually drove it. People don’t realize that Hurley Haywood drove Audis. He drove Porsches, he drove Ferraris, he drove Jaguars.

He drove a lot of stuff, but he lives and breathes Porsches great guy. Daytona Castro, banking early in the morning. They won in 90 and in 88. Another beautiful piece. The ni Nissans hard to miss these cars. This is the second generation GTP car. Okay? This has got some nasty, uh, accident stuff in it. This is where I talk about how the cars exceeded the racetrack.[00:37:00]

What’s going on here is Road. Atlanta has not got a chicane. It is a flat out turn seven to turn, what is now 12, run 210. There’s a dip in the middle, the dip and the downforce. At this point, these cars were running 7,500 to 8,000 pounds rear springs. They needed springs like that to keep the car from grinding into the road.

That plus the weight of the car. You go down to a in a dip at 200 miles an hour, what’s gonna happen? The tires are gonna explode. It’s a little gruesome, but nobody got seriously hurt. Same race, both cars. There was a third one with the Toyota, which managed to get back to the pits ’cause it landed right side up.

These guys didn’t Pretty destructive. So this is when we started thinking about, okay, this stuff is simply going too fast. We don’t need to go that fast to put on a quality show. To put on good entertainment. We’re not in the business of wrecking this stuff this way. After that particular race, Goodyear refused to supply tires to these teams until they told them actually what the downforce potential would be.

’cause the cars just [00:38:00] exceeded what they could possibly do. So some other footage from this era, Holbert was the dominant car, the eighties followed by the Nissans in the late eighties. One of IMSA’s most iconic car, low and brow car. John Lamers put that one in the fence when he went out of the pits with cold tires and new brake pads.

Oops. Which is still happening today at Daytona Sebring. Again, that’s turn one. Before there was the change in the track, the original Nissan GTP car. So at this point we had five or six major factory teams. We, once again, were struggling with a private tier, could not get the hardware to be able to compete with these people.

Starting to think about what’s next when this goes. We also were made aware at the time that RJ Reynolds, because of federal law, would have to stop their sponsorship in 1993. So we had a number of things going on into the next decade. The bishops and the original stockholders, the Francis and two other groups of stockholders sold IMSA to a businessman in Tampa, who was also the promoter of the St.

Pete Grand Prix race. Mike Cohen and Jeff Parker. It wasn’t the best idea. Neither one of ’em were [00:39:00] racers. If you wanna read the gory details, I wrote a book about it with George Silverman, Mike Compatriot with this, they would do stuff like Mike was a construction guy, so he would take the purse for the 24 hours a Daytona, and he would use that to bond jobs for the state of Florida.

I could say this now because when he finally got caught up, he did 15 years state and 15 years federal, non concurrent. Just got outta jail about two years ago. It was strange days, but basically he lasted three years and then basically sold to another guy who actually was a great guy, Charlie Slater, but the guy who talked Charlie Slater into buying it.

It was the same guy that talked Mike Cone into buying it. He was the promoter at Tampa and St. Pete, both of which were temporary circuit events that failed mid nineties. In spite of all these underlying bad things going on, we exported our GT stuff first to Japan and we took, uh, anywhere from six to eight cars and helped the JAF develop what is now super gt super GT cars are essentially derivatives of the car on the right, which [00:40:00] is a 300 ZX Cunningham car built in California.

Just to show them this Nissan set this up at Fuji. There’s the road car, there’s the race car. The whole idea was to capture the spirit of the streetcar, but make it a real race car that makes it cheaper to run. We brought six or seven cars at their request. We ran two years at Fuji, one year at auto topless, I think.

So three races where they started running, uh, Nismo Skylines. A modified group A cars and started developing a tube frame structured car, which then grew into what they do now, which is very similar to this, even beyond that, without much help from us, other than bringing a variety of GTO and GTU cars and American iron and opening them up and letting all the, their mo OE manufacturers just come and look at the cars and ask questions, how they made, what do you use, and so on and so forth.

It too developed their own industry of parts and component manufacturers for their own cars, which is great. That was one of the big goals of IMSA was always to focus on that. Chevy Intrepid, Wayne Taylor, 1991. [00:41:00] 1991, was the most successful GTP year because every OE manufacturer won at least one race, which rarely happened.

The last nine 60 twos. This is Rob Dyson’s. Quite a bit different than the earlier Holbrook pictures, A lot more arrow stuff on it. Triple element wing on the back, which originally was one element. The car won races in 1984, and it won its final race in 1993. And the reason I bring that up is the original layout of A GTP car.

John Bishop drew on a piece of paper in his office in front of myself, Roger Bailey and Charlie Rainville, and that drawing remained in the IMSA Rule book for a decade. Unchanged. So when people talk about stability, people like Rob Dyson invested in these cars and he raced them for 10 years. Modified ’em, but it’s the American hot rod mentality.

You gotta fix it somehow. There’s the XJR 14 brilliant car. Look at the size of the arrow device. On the back of that. The spray gives you some idea what’s going on, but the air going under the car. This car, Davey Jones said many times, 73 to 7,500 pound rear springs on it. But it’s basically a Formula One car with a three and a half liter engine.[00:42:00]

Widen tub holding 32 gallons of gas. Great little car, super quick. Davey Jones was one of our really good drivers, but the best company I ever heard was Tony Dow, who managed the British cars, said uh, Davey Jones has wrecked every model of GTP and Group C car we’ve ever made at least once. So you know, you got guys that are really fast, but you gotta expect them to damage the hardware occasionally or total it as he did a few times.

Then came the Toyota’s. This is gurney’s effort. These cars were culmination of three generations of previous designs that became the dominant cars. What’s really unique about this car is if you notice, there’s no holes in it other than the hole in the front. All of the air going through the car created, added down force inside the car on a second floor, all the air for the radiators, intercos, and the only thing sticking out of those two little black things, which are brake ducts for the rear brake, but everything else went through the car.

The tall scoop on the side was an intake for the turbo, just because it needed the cleaner air, because at the time the air got from the front to the engine bay for the turbo was [00:43:00] pretty agitated. These cars also ran 7,500 pound springs. It was a 2.1 liter engine running 125 inches of boost and could make if they wanted a thousand horsepower out, a two liter.

They didn’t run that long that way, but it was there if you wanted it. Great cars having gurney in the series from GTU to GTO to GTP for close to a decade was a treat. Wonderful man. That was the year they won 24 hours, 93. We had carbon breaks by then, as you can see. So Japan, here’s the group of cars we took to our topless.

Seven of them, the whole group. That was a lot of fun. The Japanese were great hosts, but they also, you know, you see some of them, we had Exxon at that time instead of Camel. So because it was international, half the cars had so on it because they were still using Theso name overseas and not here, but Exxon was the US that’s pouring rain at Fuji Lightener, GTU car and the two Cunningham, GTO cars in the.

This is another weird car. This is the most successful Porsche car ever raced. This is the [00:44:00] Jaguar Bud Light car that you saw earlier. With the rain coming out the back, they cut the roof off of it. Well, first what they did was they sold that car to Mazda, who ran it in Group C with a Mazda badged Cosworth engine, same car, but they changed it from a Jag to a Mazda just by putting Mazda covers on the engine.

And they did that for about three, four months and decided that wasn’t worth it. So Val Perez, Indiana, they had two or three of these chassis and. Tony Dow Max Welty, who was the Porsche head of Motorsport at Allen Springer in California, go. We need to do something with these. What’d they do? They drop the 9 62 spec engine in the back of one of these things, which cut the roof off.

Reinforced the roll cage structures you could see with forward and rear braces. This is Mario Andrei testing it at Charlotte and it’s the most successful car because in 1995 with the beginning of world sports cars, which side story? We knew in 93 no more GTP cars. So we had a new sponsor, which was Exxon.

They had two requests, make the cars look different because we don’t want to be viewed as taking over someone else’s old stuff. And [00:45:00] two, we need more of ’em. So the whole idea, again, was another technical shift to develop a car that private teams could buy and run. And so the World Sports Car was born. I bring this one up because it’s so unique.

It only raced in our races once after the roar. The test at Daytona in the beginning of January. Kramer had a CK five, which was a similar car made out of a 9 62 chassis. He brought one. Porsche brought two of these and we changed the rules on ’em between then and the race because we recognized that we really didn’t set up world sports cars for turbos.

We were trying to extend an arm to Lamar to go, you need to get rid of what you were now running, which are GT one cars and McLaren F ones. Porsche GT one cars, which at the time cost about $1.5 million a piece unavailable to everybody. Factory made so many and that was it done. So you’re limiting your field.

You’re not looking forward about how you’re gonna sustain this. So we needed cars like this that customer cars could be made out of existing stuff. So it never raced at Daytona that [00:46:00] year. However, the Kramer CK five, the older version, won the race under the rules that Porsche didn’t like with the same engine.

I say it’s the most successful. It ran Lama twice, won both times. Finish second. A third time, and then no finish. Second at Petite Lamont. 19 98, 3 years later, we also extended a series to, um, central and South America, the NA Cam, Marlboro GT series. Again, IMSA Cars, IMSA Rules, IMSA teams, a place for them to sell their cars.

Another good view of the World Sports Car taking the roof off. That’s, uh, Andy Wallace, or might be Derek. And you could kind of see who was driving the car and what he was driving it with. So it was kind of a good view. James Weaver and Rob Dyson’s Spice with a Ferrari engine in it. Again, all that stuff was generally available.

Wayne Taylor won the first championship in a rotary powered car by not winning a race, but finishing in the top five, I think, 12 times. The car of the decade is clearly the 3, 3, 3 sp. This car again, I went to Ferrari with Jumpier. Met with Montezemolo and Pirro Ferrari and said, we need a customer car. So they committed to making this car solely [00:47:00] for customers.

Ferrari never ran one themselves. Pure customer car is exactly what we wanted. It wasn’t that expensive as Pirro Ferrari said. The little badge on the front end, that’s $25,000 just to get the little badge on it ’cause it’s a Ferrari badge. So there was a little inflation to that. But you bought a car, you got an engine.

Four corners, and a full body and a transmission. For about three quarters of a million dollars and that was most of the parts you needed to run a whole season, including the car. It’s a great deal. Rob Dyson. The other great car was the Riley. Many engine combinations in it. Great shot of the Ferrari. They spit flames out the back and made great noises with a V 12 turning 12,500 RPM.

It’s magic spectators loved them. GT cars still the mainstay. 99 Audi and BMW showed up at this point. The A CO and the FIA adopted IMSS W World Sports Car Rules, but then had to put their mark on it so they put bigger engines in it and put aerodynamic diffusers on ’em on cars that weren’t designed to have ’em, which immediately obsoleted all the Ferrari and made the Audi and the BM BMW cars.

That’s a six liter V 12, the car to [00:48:00] have. As you can see here, all the old cars are in the back. The two Panos is the two BMWs. The Lowell is a new car, but then you got the Ferrari’s and the Riley’s in the back, and they could no longer compete with the cars at the front. Grand Dam comes along 19 99, 19 97.

George Silverman and I left when Andy Evans acquired imsa, which was the fifth owner in seven years, and decided we didn’t like to work under his ethics. So IMSA got split in half. Half of the people, the management and. Director type level people ended up in NASCAR Daytona, the rank and file people, part-time.

People that ran the races as race staff ended up getting the contract to run the A LMS with Don Panos program. Again, new car. We had to get rid of the old world sports cars again. Grand Dam did Daytona prototypes. Interesting design Ford. Lexus. Lexus. Ford. That’s Adorn, which became a Dara Riley. So what happened there was the benefit Grand Am had was at the time International Speedway Corporation.

We had Daytona, we had Watkins Glen, we had [00:49:00] Phoenix, we had Fontana, we had racetracks that we owned that let us race there reasonably. The A LMS had Sebring in Atlanta, and we both would pick up mid Ohio or Three Rivers or some other events to build out a schedule. We used to go to the Glen twice. We used to go to Daytona twice, but basically for about six or seven years, these two things ran in parallel with opposite philosophies.

One was cost effective, lots of cars, all prototypes in that shot, there’s no GT cars. A LMS had OE Manufacturers spending a lot of marketing dollars. But they didn’t have very big fields or lots of cars. They had a connection with LAMA and eventually, by the early teens, I don’t wanna say one was better than the other, they were two different philosophies.

But Grand Am had pretty much caught up and passed TV viewership on the car count, and on the spectator attendance at events. And then the smarter people got involved and said, why don’t we combine these two things and make something better? And that’s where we are today. We also did some cool stuff. This is Mike Shank, breaking the World Close Course Speed [00:50:00] record at Daytona, which was held for 20 something years by the Mercedes C one 11 done at Nardo in Italy, which I think is a seven mile or nine mile oval.

He beat it with a three liter eco-boost turbo production engine. You could see the line. You could see the four decimal points, pretty high tech stuff when we would do stuff like that along the lines of Bonneville. Then DP version three. These are the Corvettes. The final version, there were three generations of DP cars and A LMS.

You have the Audi, the Corvettes. They were definitely the A LMS cars. Panos. This is a classic end of race. This is Yorg Burmeister, and I forget who’s driving the Corvette. It’s not very friendly at all, as you can about to see. Oh yeah. See that? That’s a wall that was to the flag. So the Porsche won the race.

The Corvette was second, but crossed the line backwards shedding parts, but luckily I didn’t have to have anything to do with that. Vipers another Corvette. Beautiful cars. Now we’re getting near the end. This is D-P-I-D-P-I [00:51:00] followed the merger between two years of running A LMS and Grand Am Cars together, and then creating a new car.

This is very similar to the car we have now without the hybrids. So at this point, IMSA is starting to really boom. When I say boom, record crowds great TV numbers, social media is, is exploding and it just grew from this point to where we are today. This was last lap at Petite Lamar. Diehard passed, but he’s going so slow.

The car he is trying to pass past them going down the hill and he still finished second. We don’t push for that, but it’s so competitive and so close. People talk about BOP and all the rule stuff. We’re working margins of 0.03%. Where some of the teams, the two drivers cannot drive the same car on the same day within that number, and yet the manufacturers want us to fix that.

It’s like, no, some ending ones. We do this now every year at Daytona. That’s the field for the Rolex 24, probably two years ago. Turn one SE bring just GT cars this time. Huge. We have 18 OEM [00:52:00] partnership agreements with car manufacturers. Most of anyone in the world right now, Penske’s, Porsches, Roger Penske, said when they first tested this car in Barcelona, these are the most technically advanced race cars on the planet, including Formula One, IndyCar.

Anything else? They are made with stuff that was not off the shelf. Everything in these cars, hybrid wise, battery wise, MGU Wise was developed specifically for this. Again, in order to have a life until now, 2030. So we’ll be using this componentry and it has scalability for another five years. Easy. Cars are really cool.

They do really great things. They leave the pits on the electric, they have no alternator, and they just hit the ignition button and the car starts itself from the electric. It’s got an 800 volt battery in it. The 800 volt battery can give it 150 more horsepower, not on demand, but over a period of time.

It regenerates itself when you’re on the brakes and when you disengage the clutch, the input shaft, that’s where the MGU works is the input shaft BMWs. They just debuted [00:53:00] their second generation of the car at Daytona last weekend. Here you have Aston Martin, and again, off we go. So Daytona tells us the Rolex 24 now is the second most profitable event at the racetrack after the Daytona 500.

So road racing and sporty car stuff has come a long way, but you can see how quick these things are at Daytona. Now they’re slightly over 200. I threw this in just to give some idea of IMSA and the Corvette from the third car from the top. It is all IMSA, A LMS, grand Am. Corvettes first two? No, the third one is a Greenwood, so that’s where it starts, but it’s kind of a neat photo to show how GM is used.

Motorsports and Corvette, final picture, that’s the Bishop France trophy. Every champion of every class. In the overall division, G-T-O-G-T-U-G-T-X-G-T-P, on the front straightaway in front of the new tower building at Road Atlanta with the Michelin man on it. And uh, I’m done. Thank you.[00:54:00]

Where all the pictures came from. I am sure there’s some questions, mark. That was absolutely fabulous and I don’t know if we wanna open it up for questions. How old were you when you started, uh, with John Bishop? I was, had just turned 16 in the spring of 1974 and I did my 50th 24 hour race this year of only two years.

One year I was actually kind of helping John Cooper at the Speedway after Andy Evans took over. George and I went over there at their request and then by 99 I was over there regularly beginning to make Grand Am for. Bill Junior and Jim Franz been a great run. I think the most important thing, which I could talk to, you know, the cars are cool and the events are cool and I took a lot of notes, but the people.

Do you have the opportunity to work with your parents, John and Peg Bishop? Priceless. You know, I’ve been given great guidance, great teachings was told. Day one, you can make every mistake you want. Once, second time we’re gonna start thinking you’re stupid. And I said, okay, I don’t wanna be stupid. That was direct quote.[00:55:00]

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Highlights

Skip ahead if you must… Here’s the highlights from this episode you might be most interested in and their corresponding time stamps.

  • 00:00 Meet Mark Raffauf
  • 02:14 IMSA Origins Bishop & Bill France
  • 03:55 First Races Open Wheel
  • 04:53 Closed Wheel Camel GT, Small Cars w/ Street Tires
  • 06:32 All American GT Era
  • 10:42 American Challenge Stock Cars
  • 11:39 Group 5 Turbo Monsters
  • 13:48 GTP Arrives Daytona 1978
  • 15:20 935 Evolution And Innovation
  • 18:11 Privateers Payout Philosophy and the Road America Breakthrough
  • 22:29 Lola T600 Ground Effects
  • 26:14 Audi 90 GTO Quattro
  • 28:28 Jaguars Take Over
  • 29:11 Street Races: Miami and the Downtown street racing boom!
  • 29:42 Wild tech experiments
  • 30:13 GTP rules vs Group C
  • 33:06 Firehawk showroom racers
  • 34:47 Night racing survival
  • 36:54 When speed got dangerous
  • 38:46 Ownership turmoil and exports
  • 40:57 GTP peak and aero wars
  • 44:49 World Sports Car era
  • 46:46 Ferrari 333SP dominance
  • 48:11 Split into Grand Am and ALMS
  • 50:57 Merger to modern IMSA
  • 51:49 Hybrids and today’s grid
  • 53:53 Closing remarks and sponsors

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IMSA’s first races were held at Pocono, where Formula Fords circled a small oval. The concept worked — until it didn’t. Pack racing led to massive accidents, and the organization quickly pivoted.

Photo courtesy Mark Raffauf, IMSA Archives

From there, IMSA began experimenting with:

  • Formula Vee
  • Closed‑wheel GT racing
  • Mixed‑class fields featuring Camaros, Mustangs, Javelins, and Porsche 911s
  • Small‑bore “RS” cars like Pintos, Gremlins, Fiats, and early Honda Civics

This willingness to adapt became a defining IMSA trait. As Raffauf puts it, the goal was always to create “a product that the little guy private team could win the big races in.”


The Rise of GT Racing and the All‑American GT Concept

By the mid‑1970s, European manufacturers were producing limited‑run customer race cars — Porsche Carreras, BMW CSLs, Ford Capris. American cars, built in vastly larger numbers, couldn’t compete under the same rules.

Photo courtesy Mark Raffauf, IMSA Archives

So Bishop drew a new path forward.

Literally.

Photo courtesy Mark Raffauf, IMSA Archives

Raffauf shows Bishop’s original hand‑drawn artwork for the All‑American GT (AAGT) concept — a rulebook designed to let American iron compete fairly with European machinery. The Chevy Monza, Greenwood Corvettes, and other tube‑frame monsters became IMSA icons.


The Era of Wings, Turbos, and Ground Effects

As the 1970s gave way to the 1980s, IMSA entered its wildest period:

  • Group 5 “wings and things”
  • Porsche 935 dominance
  • BMW’s factory CSL and 320i Turbo programs
  • The birth of GTP prototypes

Raffauf describes the 935 era vividly — cars with huge power, tiny front tires, and “flexible flyer” chassis that demanded absolute precision. Teams innovated aggressively because the rules allowed it: “If it didn’t say you couldn’t, you could.”

Photo courtesy Mark Raffauf, IMSA Archives

But the arrival of the Lola T600 changed everything. With true ground‑effects tunnels, it could simply drive around the old GT cars. It was the first customer‑built GTP car, and it set the template for the next decade.


Street Racing, Stock Cars, and the Expanding IMSA Universe

IMSA wasn’t afraid to take risks — literally. The organization brought racing into downtown Miami, West Palm Beach, San Antonio, Columbus, and New Orleans. Raffauf recalls how the series “messed up the town for a month,” but also brought motorsports to people who’d never seen it before.

Photo courtesy Mark Raffauf, IMSA Archives

Meanwhile, IMSA also experimented with:

  • American Challenge stock cars
  • Firestone Firehawk street‑car racing
  • Skip Barber open‑wheel development series

These programs created opportunities for grassroots racers and future stars alike.


The Audi 90 GTO: A Technical Marvel

One of the most fascinating chapters in Raffauf’s talk centers on the Audi 90 GTO, a full tube‑frame, all‑wheel‑drive monster that defied expectations. Despite IMSA narrowing its tires from 14 inches to 10, the car remained dominant thanks to its ability to distribute power dynamically across all four wheels. Raffauf calls it “one of the coolest, most technically advanced things that IMSA created.”

Photo courtesy Mark Raffauf, IMSA Archives


The GTP Arms Race and Its Consequences

By the late 1980s, GTP cars were exceeding the limits of the tracks themselves. Raffauf recounts violent tire failures at Road Atlanta caused by extreme downforce and 200+ mph speeds over dips the circuits were never designed for. This era produced legendary machines — Nissans, Jaguars, Toyotas, Porsches — but also forced IMSA to rethink safety and sustainability.

Photo courtesy Mark Raffauf, IMSA Archives

Ownership Turbulence and Reinvention

The 1990s brought financial and organizational upheaval. Raffauf describes owners who mismanaged funds, temporary circuits that failed, and the eventual split that led to:

  • Grand-Am (under NASCAR/ISC)
  • The American Le Mans Series (under Don Panoz)
Photo courtesy Mark Raffauf, IMSA Archives

Despite the chaos, IMSA continued innovating, exporting its GT concepts to Japan and South America, and helping shape what would become Super GT.


World Sports Cars, Ferrari 333 SP, and the Road to Modern IMSA

With GTP ending, IMSA introduced the World Sports Car formula — open‑cockpit prototypes designed for private teams. The standout was the Ferrari 333 SP, a pure customer car that became one of the most beloved prototypes of the era.

Photo courtesy Mark Raffauf, IMSA Archives

This period also saw:

  • Daytona Prototypes (DP); and the Birth of DPi
  • The eventual ALMS/Grand-Am merger
  • The rise of hybrid racing machinery

By the 2020s, IMSA had become a global powerhouse with 18 OEM partners and some of the most advanced race cars on the planet.


A Legacy Written in People

Mark Raffauf’s keynote isn’t just a recounting of motorsports history — it’s a firsthand account from someone who shaped the rulebook, lived through the politics, and helped guide IMSA through five decades of reinvention. His stories remind us that racing is as much about people and ideas as it is about machines.

Photo courtesy Mark Raffauf, IMSA Archives

Raffauf reflects on working with John and Peg Bishop, the France family, and the countless passionate people who built IMSA’s culture.

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One line from his keynote captures his philosophy perfectly: “You can make every mistake you want — once. Second time we’re going to start thinking you’re stupid.” – It’s blunt, funny, and deeply human, much like IMSA’s history itself.


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Executive Producer Tania: [00:00:00] Welcome to Break Fixes, Drive-Through News, your monthly recap for everything fast, fascinating, and usually four wheeled. We’re serving up a fresh batch of automotive headlines, motorsports madness, and car adjacent curiosities, all with zero wait time and maximum flavor from Formula One, drama to concept car debuts with Garage built legends.

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Crew Chief Brad: Let’s see. This is April. Hello and welcome to Drive through episode number 67.

We

Crew Chief Eric: don’t do that anymore.

Executive Producer Tania: Oh, I’m sorry. I thought this was a podcast where we don’t say anything.

Crew Chief Brad: You’re killing it. You’re killing it right now, Tanya. You’re doing so good. I’m so proud of you.

Crew Chief Eric: We don’t have a formal showcase, but I don’t know what should we label this because the headline read. The word war.

You know, we have department of war [00:01:00] now, the war and the war, but it’s not a war. It’s a conflict. But then I heard there was another way to describe it. Isn’t that right Tanya?

Executive Producer Tania: An excursion.

Crew Chief Eric: We’re going on an excursion to the desert apparently.

Crew Chief Brad: I see what Eric’s talking about. The war. The war.

Crew Chief Eric: I don’t think we’re quite there yet.

No. I feel like it’s just a bunch of the do moments here and I’m gonna just come out swinging. This is comes from car scoops, right? The Iran War War. Again, excursion, conflict, whatever adjective you want to use to describe it could end tomorrow and the auto sales industry will still lose. A million sales.

Executive Producer Tania: It’s been ending tomorrow for about three weeks, I think.

Crew Chief Eric: I mean, yes, we’re in the middle of like the most economic turmoil ever. Who’s gonna run out and go buy a supercar?

Crew Chief Brad: YouTubers, Instagram influencers, tiktoks.

Crew Chief Eric: None of the rich and powerful Middle Eastern are gonna buy a [00:02:00] supercar right now. I think they’re a little busy.

Wouldn’t you say what kind, what, what is this reporting? What, what is this stuff? Uh, but no, in in seriousness though, another side effect of all of this that’s going on, and I think this next one was brought to light even before the excursion started, which was the dilution of our fuel to maintain the E 15 that we use in the winter throughout all of May as we head into the hotter days.

And Tanya, I know you’ve been out of the business for a while, but can you explain what this means and like how this actually works? Because I think it’s important for us to discuss.

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, it means poor fuel economy.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, why is that? Because I don’t think a lot of people understand what the E 10, E 20 E 15 actually means.

I’ll put it in layman’s terms. That’s a percentage of alcohol that’s in mixed,

Executive Producer Tania: it’s a percentage of ethanol. So the 10 is 10%. 15 is 15%. Although, so it’s really meant to be an octane booster ’cause it has a higher octane number. So it’s good if you’re [00:03:00] trying to prevent engine knocking or something, but doesn’t have as much combustion capability, I guess to put it simply as gasoline does.

So you’re not actually getting as good a fuel economy than if you’re using straight gasoline. So depending on what they’re pricing it at, you’re not actually saving anything. If they keep the price at $5 a gallon and now it’s more ethanol and you’re getting worse fuel economy, then you’re going to the pump quicker.

Crew Chief Eric: So the rule of thumb I heard in racing was. It takes twice the amount of alcohol to make the same power as gasoline. Right? I mean, that’s probably a stretch.

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, they say it’s like 30% less energy per gallon than gasoline, so I mean, that’s not insignificant.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: But the bigger problem with extending it into the hotter months, the way I understood it, and correct me if I’m wrong, is that it tends to evaporate quicker.

In the hotter days, especially when the car heats up and the tank heats up and we have all these evap systems that let the fumes escape. [00:04:00] So basically your tank is emptying itself as the alcohol evaporates out of the fuel.

Executive Producer Tania: Yes, and it also has a problem that ethanol will absorb water from the air. So it’s particularly bad.

I mean, maybe that’s less impactful if you’re constantly using your carb. That’s why they say it’s not good to leave ethanol or fuels with ethanol like in a lawnmower that you button up for the winter or some other piece of equipment that that you don’t use. Or even a car if you’ve got a garage queen that you don’t drive very often because the ethanol actually absorb water and now you’re gonna have water and then it’ll separate and you’ll have a water phase and then a fuel phase.

And obviously that’s no good when you go to go combust.

Crew Chief Eric: Chemical term for that is hydroscopic. Is that right?

Executive Producer Tania: That it likes water

Crew Chief Eric: or hydroscopic? I can’t remember. Remember. I wasn’t very good at chemistry.

Crew Chief Brad: I think it’s called bend over and Open your wallet.

Executive Producer Tania: Yeah, I grow scopic.

Crew Chief Eric: And the reason I bring that up is because brake fluid [00:05:00] suffers the same problem.

And I don’t think a lot of people realize that if you go too long on your brake fluid and don’t flush those fluids out, you end up with water concentrated in your brake fluid. And there’s tests where it, there’s like these litmus sticks. You can stick in there to see, you know, the potency of your brake fluid.

But realistically, Brad, you just went through this on your tundra changing brakes and it’s like, well what about the brake fluid?

Crew Chief Brad: Thankfully I changed the brake fluid over the, the winter when I had my inspection done because it was on my list of fluids to change just in the maintenance schedule. The breaks themselves were not, but the fluid was so, yeah.

Um, but yeah, you’re, you’re right. And it’s probably, I’m assuming it would mean the same thing for like clutch fluid and trans, well, probably not transmission fluid ’cause that’s always moving, but

Crew Chief Eric: that’s hydraulic fluid. So it’s different.

Executive Producer Tania: Yeah. I mean the other bad thing is ethanol is and alcohol. What does alcohol like to do to things?

Crew Chief Brad: Make ’em drunk.

Executive Producer Tania: Make it what? Make it drunk.

Crew Chief Brad: Our cars all need to go to AA now. There [00:06:00]

Executive Producer Tania: you go. Alcohol, things like that aren’t usually good on rubber parts.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah. Dries out rubber. So all your seals, all your hoses, all that stuff.

Crew Chief Brad: I don’t need dried out hose,

Crew Chief Eric: which is particularly important when you’re talking about classic cars.

Especially cars pre 1980. I mean, they run on the newer fuels as long as you burn through ’em. But to your point, Tanya, if they sit for extended periods of time, you’re risking damaging something in the system that could be catastrophic and extremely expensive.

Executive Producer Tania: Yeah. I mean, not only, I mean, they’re probably more prone to dissolve rubber, which would be even worse.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah.

Executive Producer Tania: And so, I mean, that’s why, again, I think it’s not recommended for motors, whether it’s a lawnmower or a boat even that sits. For a long time, or your garage queen.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, and the reason I wanted to bring it up and talk about it as an important thing is car show season is upon us. People are taking ’em out.

They’re cleaning [00:07:00] them up. They’re filling them up after sitting over the winter, and they might not be thinking about the amount of alcohol for ethanol that’s in fuel right now. And if you’re getting a higher dosage, you know, upwards of 20% at some of the stations, then you only take it to a car, show a couple miles away or whatever, and then you let it sit for the rest of the summer, you’re gonna be in deep trouble come the fall.

Executive Producer Tania: Honestly, I had that thought when I heard that and I was like, man, I really need to stretch the legs on the gt. But I’m like, I probably need to add fuel to it. Well, I guess I’m not gonna add fuel now ’cause it sits for a pretty long time and I don’t wanna put that in the tank.

Crew Chief Brad: You just need to run out to the track and get some from Summit Point.

Or I can bring some up from I stop. I can stop easily Stop by, uh, dominion.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah. Get some a hundred octane or 110 race fuel. That is the option for a lot of cars.

Crew Chief Brad: You’d give it the old Italian tuneup?

Crew Chief Eric: Hell yeah. Yeah. A hundred octane At a hundred mile an hour. Let’s go. It clears out all the carbon.

Crew Chief Brad: It’ll, it’ll give that car [00:08:00] what?

115 horsepower?

Executive Producer Tania: That 110? I’ll have 111.

Crew Chief Brad: I will say there was a, a Wawa, I think it was at the Wawa down the road where they gave me the option for ethanol free gasoline.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, so they just built a new sheet up here too, and they have all the colors of the rainbow as we like to refer to ’em. ’cause sheets, colors. They’re fuel pumps. So you know, red is this and Diesel’s green.

And the blue fuel is the Flex fuel ydi. And not all of them have it. The ones in Pennsylvania for sure have the, all the colors of the rainbow. And they have an orange, which is an ethanol free, it’s not quite like a hundred octane, but it’s designed for the older cars that can’t run, you know, between 10 and E 15 and all that kind of stuff.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. I think the, the Wawa had a black one for the ethanol free, a green one for diesel, and then some other rando color for, or maybe it was yellow or something, I don’t know, whatever. Right. But they, they, they kind of had it color coded as [00:09:00] well. I was like, Hmm. Not too often that you see ethanol free fuel these days.

Crew Chief Eric: And this is all a result too, of, you know, the petroleum situation that we’re in right now. But more importantly, there was another article that was again, sort of like a de do moment in that diesel production has always been stifled, especially in this country. And it’s down right now on top of everything else, which is why you’re seeing the price of diesel escalate so much faster than gasoline.

And people might be listening to this and saying, who cares? I don’t have anything diesel. I don’t care about diesel. Well, do you care about the packages being delivered from Amazon, from UPS? ’cause all those are diesels and the trains that move them across the country, those are diesels and the semi trucks that moved them from the trains to the Walmart.

Those are diesels and a lot of generators and construction equipment. Diesel, diesel, diesel. And to make it even worse, there’s a lot of people out there that heat their homes on home heating oil, also known as wet folks, [00:10:00]

Crew Chief Brad: diesel.

Crew Chief Eric: Diesel. Exactly.

Crew Chief Brad: The good thing about that is at least we’re heading into the warmer months, right?

At least we’re a lot of the country. So it, those people should see. I don’t know if they’d see relief, but it shouldn’t see it escalate as much as they normally would if we were heading in the winter.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah. And I, I think the timing was like just right, that it started to escalate, you know, and start to accelerate really hard as we were coming out of the colder months.

’cause can you imagine filling 2, 3, 5, 700 gallons of diesel? You know, some people have massive tanks to heat their houses and their buildings and stuff. At $6 a gallon, that’s the street price for what you pump into your Cummins Dodge Ram diesel. Right. But when you pay for home heating oil, add another 30 cents a gallon or to 50 cents a gallon on top of that, it is.

Bonkers, expensive. So diesel is a crucial part of the world and also the world economy. You know, we don’t talk about [00:11:00] Dieselgate too much anymore. Not not a ton of people running around in diesel cars, but there’s still a ton of diesel that moves the world. It’s absolutely incredible. So I’m hoping that we’ll see the prices come back down.

But if they don’t, I mean, good night.

Crew Chief Brad: I guess we’ll have to start like. Now that wouldn’t even help anyway. I was gonna say start shopping at Brick and Mortars. But they still need to get their supplies from senior. Correct? Correct. Like either way, there’s no way to avoid it.

Crew Chief Eric: Drones, ev drones, that’s what it is.

Just we’re gonna deliver. See, Amazon’s gonna make it a reality. That’s, they said they would, but that’s just it. Brad, your point about shopping and and needing stuff and the way we buy things just in time and order it online and have it show up the next day. Think about this though. We’re getting nailed still with tariffs.

They haven’t gone away and now we have this diesel crisis on the other side. The cost of everything is going to triple and that’s going to have a effect on everything to include the car community. So the next time you need to go buy something simple like, oh, I don’t know, oil filters or brake pads.

Don’t [00:12:00] be surprised when it used to cost 20 bucks and now it’s 200. I’m not saying that’s a good thing, but I don’t know. Let’s talk about something a little bit nicer. Maybe not so much. ’cause these folks are crazy. Volkswagen, Porsche and Audi News. So I’m just gonna, I’m gonna read this Volkswagen’s considering an EV comeback for the Tore, so now I’m confused.

’cause they have the atlas which replaced the Tore and the Tiguan is the size of the old tore got re badged and there’s a whole bunch of badge engineering there. But aside all that, I have to say if this rendering is right, this might be, and I’m gonna put asterisk and air quotes around this. This might be the best looking VW in the last 10 years.

Tell me I’m wrong.

Executive Producer Tania: No, that was the first thing I thought. I was like, wow, that’s actually not terrible looking.

Crew Chief Eric: Right. It looks like the SUVs of 10 plus years ago, which were actually quite handsomely styled. This is proportioned. It doesn’t have any dumb lines.

Crew Chief Brad: You said [00:13:00] SUVs of 10 years ago. You mean like the tore

Crew Chief Eric: Shush.

You shush. I mean, they only show it from the front threequarter angle, but I like it. I don’t like it as an ev, but I like it. And I don’t wanna say I’m not sold on EVs ’cause I get it. I’m not sold on Volkswagen doing EVs. They do not have a good track record at this point, and I’m just considering their sales numbers.

I don’t wanna talk about reliability or recalls or anything like that. I just, I don’t get it.

Crew Chief Brad: Anybody that would buy a brand new Volkswagen right now is a moron. Just, just putting it out there. Just that it’s putting that out there into the universe. Anybody that buys a new Volkswagen right now is a,

Crew Chief Eric: here’s the kicker about this article.

Okay. More so than the design, which caught my attention. It’s this one line. In the article it says, the new sales boss, Martin Sander at VW has said there remains a gap in the market for upmarket cars that don’t carry a premium [00:14:00] badge, which the to reg and the Fon, which was discontinued in 2016, were designed to serve.

And I said, really? Really,

Executive Producer Tania: here’s the bigger question. Why are they bothering doing this? What EV do they have right now that’s actually doing well?

Crew Chief Eric: Well, the ID buzz got killed.

Executive Producer Tania: Yeah, the ID four got killed.

Crew Chief Eric: I heard that too.

Executive Producer Tania: So what, which one is doing, you’ve already lost twice. Three times the charm.

Crew Chief Eric: And we’re not counting the Porsche stuff that they’re backpedaling on.

Like they canceled the McCann ev, they’re pulling back on the Tacan ’cause they took a bath on that. So that’s two more right there. Not counting stuff that they probably sold in Europe that we never saw, like the ID three and all that.

Crew Chief Brad: My guess is the ID buzz and the ID four were a little too out there when it came to styling and design.

And this is more [00:15:00] in line with just like a normal looking S-U-V-I-I. I’m not saying that they’re right, I just, this is where I think their thinking is.

Executive Producer Tania: I could follow your argument with the van that that was too much. Like people aren’t,

Crew Chief Eric: it was too expensive. It wasn’t too out there. It looked

Crew Chief Brad: like it. It was definitely too expensive.

It was definitely

Executive Producer Tania: too expensive and it has the cost price to it, but I don’t think the ID four was so wildly styled that it should have deterred anyone. If anything, maybe it was too small for people.

Crew Chief Eric: Yes,

Executive Producer Tania: but does anybody really need a electric toric?

Crew Chief Brad: I can see the ID four being too small for some people.

I can, I can see that

Crew Chief Eric: this is the General Motors problem. VW has somehow usurped the way they’ve done business because we joked about this and GM is really not in the news right now. Like we made fun of them. Like, I don’t know how many drive-throughs ago. Like it’s general morons over there. Right? They don’t know what they’re doing.

They’re always 10 years behind. They’re [00:16:00] trying to catch up with everybody else, and by the time everybody else pivots, they’re like, we’re, where? Where’d the party go, guys? I thought we were, you thought we were jamming out here? This statement that the Toag and the Fon, but we need to fill a premium. That’s what Audi is for and beyond Audi.

That’s what Porsche’s for. And then, oh wait, they own Bentley. So if we wanna go premium prestige, luxury models, why don’t we build an Evie Benga or whatever that thing is called right now. There is a new Bentley coming, the Bentley, uh, the Barnato sounds like Bono from Formula one. The barnacle. Yeah, the barnacle.

Like it looks like a barnacle. This thing is horrendous. But the point is, it’s like, why are we wasting the time? Everybody said when the Fon came out, nobody’s gonna spend a hundred thousand dollars on a re badged steel framed a eight. And guess what? Nobody wasted a hundred thousand dollars on a steel framed a eight.

It was pointless. So we’re gonna repeat [00:17:00] the mistakes of the past Volkswagen. Get out of your own head.

Crew Chief Brad: Like they’re delusional. They’re totally delusional. They have no idea what they’re doing. They don’t listen to the consumer.

Crew Chief Eric: No. Hell no. Hell no. I saw spy photos of the new golf, the Mark nine, I guess you know, the ninth generation.

It’s even bigger. If you can imagine. It’s gonna be a Tiguan by the time it’s on. The golf keeps getting bigger and uglier. It has this funky front end. It looks like a Kia. You know the one with the wraparound front light that goes from like one end to the other. I was like, this is the future of the golf.

Really. Like you guys are out of, you’ve lost touch with reality. Like what are you doing? So now we got this Bentley built on top of the Q five, which that is a useless market too. Who’s gonna buy a cheap Bentley? So this is again, the game, right? Like in the GM paradigm where it’s like, we’re gonna make a Chevy that’s better than a Cadillac.

Just sell a Cadillac as your premium model and Chevy’s your base. Volkswagen is the base. [00:18:00] Model in the equation here in the United States for this family, but we’re gonna try to do a bargain basement Bentley. So they spent all the tooling, the research and the stuff to build on top of this Audi. It looks terrible and nobody’s gonna buy it.

Crew Chief Brad: I’m gonna throw down a challenge.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh boy. Here we go

Crew Chief Brad: for the show. Do you think we could do a season?

Crew Chief Eric: No.

Crew Chief Brad: You know where I’m going, don’t you,

Crew Chief Eric: without talking about Volkswagen. It’s impossible.

Crew Chief Brad: Without talking about Volkswagen.

Crew Chief Eric: No, we did it with Tesla. We gave up Tesla for a year

Crew Chief Brad: and we did it without BMW. But they made it easy.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s impossible because if you look at this next article, it, it’s stuff like this that makes you beat your head up against the wall. China is getting a Jetta. A Jetta, SUV. Drop the mic. Folks. Talk about badge engineering, bad badge engineering. This looks terrible too.

Crew Chief Brad: Well, it’s another car. It looks like they’re just rebadging.

Another car.

Crew Chief Eric: The Jetta X, they call it [00:19:00]

Crew Chief Brad: the Jet X,

Crew Chief Eric: also known as the id. Aura. T six S. UV. Not to be confused with the id. Unix oh nine. What?

Crew Chief Brad: What about the The id? Linux?

Crew Chief Eric: Dude, this is ter. This is the kind of stuff I don’t understand. And then Volkswagen’s going after the Chinese market. They’re up against BYD.

Porsche has already lost their ass in China, so we’re gonna try with this. This is what they want. Really, I don’t know. Electric, SUV. Ugh. But that’s okay because Volkswagen, not only are they getting rid of the ID four, as Tanya mentioned, they’re scaling down production capacity by a million. Cars and layoffs are imminent, so they’re in good shape.

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, I guess the, they gotta hit rock bottom before and they can rise from the ashes. I don’t know,

Crew Chief Brad: before they hit rock bottomer.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, formula One’s gonna bring them there. Again, this is all to pay for [00:20:00] Formula One. I’m telling you, there’s no other way to do it.

Crew Chief Brad: So when do we start seeing. Volkswagen sell off pieces of the company.

Like what’s the, the brand in Spain and

Crew Chief Eric: Sayat.

Crew Chief Brad: Sayat do, do they own Sayat? Yeah. Like what if they sell off pieces? What if they sell off Sayat? What if they sell off Audi? God forbid they sell off Porsche. They sell off Bentley to somebody else. I mean, well that’s coming next. There has to be,

Crew Chief Eric: I think you’re right.

They’ll scuttle the stuff that just doesn’t sell. That’ll all end up at JLR or something like that. Yeah, especially Bentley. Like all the Bri, the British bands. The British. The British bands. That’s what I really meant to say. They wanna get back together. The bands wanna get back together. The Jags and the Bentleys and the Rolls Royces.

Right? They don’t need to be owned by the Germans anymore.

Crew Chief Brad: No. They go to, they go to India.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, a hundred.

Executive Producer Tania: There’s a G. If they get rid of all those, they get rid of all those. Then what do they become?

Crew Chief Eric: Volkswagen?

Executive Producer Tania: Nobody’s gonna pay [00:21:00] $50,000 for a golf. Because that’s their problem right now. So they don’t solve a problem if they’re gonna keep doing what they do, but just divest the other brands.

People don’t care. People don’t realize that it’s Audi, Porsche, Volkswagen. So if nobody’s buying a $50,000 golf today with the trifecta, they’re not gonna buy it tomorrow when they’re by themselves.

Crew Chief Brad: You, you and I understand that If it was me doing it, I would sell those off and completely redo Volkswagen from the ground up and

Crew Chief Eric: yeah,

Crew Chief Brad: start listening to the consumer and selling vehicles that people actually wanna buy at prices that consumers can actually afford and start over.

Basically,

Crew Chief Eric: I, I think Brad’s point is a little less General Motors and a little more Toyota is what they need right now.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. Because the only reason, well, to me, the only reason General Motors is still around is because we bailed them out.

Crew Chief Eric: There is that too.

Crew Chief Brad: Is the German government gonna come and bail out Volkswagen?

Crew Chief Eric: I have to dig into that, but people have told me that there [00:22:00] is something between the Porsche Mafia that runs all that and the German state, they are involved. It’s sort of like too big to fail type of situation.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, of course they are. I mean it’s the same thing with isn’t Renault owned by the French government?

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah,

Crew Chief Brad: to an extent. Or something like is owned by the public, like the French public.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah.

Executive Producer Tania: Volkswagen is facing a 44% profit. Crash driven government in the state of Lower Saxony are discussing measures to aid the firm driven by the need to protect German jobs and industrial sector.

Crew Chief Eric: Say too big to fail.

Executive Producer Tania: As part of its crisis management, Volkswagen is considering slashing up to 30 to 50,000 jobs

Crew Chief Eric: by getting rid of Betley.

Crew Chief Brad: How does that help? So, so is this one of the situations where they’re prying wolf trying to force the government to come in and step in and help to save those 50,000 jobs?

Crew Chief Eric: No. See, but they didn’t tell you where they’re gonna cut the 50,000 jobs.

Crew Chief Brad: Oh, they’re gonna cut ’em in the us.

Crew Chief Eric: Exactly. You [00:23:00] got it. The Tennessee factory will get shut down before they’ll shut down one.

Well, they’ve already shut down a couple of factories in Europe. ’cause we talked about that already. But the thing is, they’re gonna cut the labor force from other places where it doesn’t make sense.

Executive Producer Tania: Yeah. Well, Chattanooga already shut down because they’re stopping. Id buzz. Well at least that production line.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, all three of them that they made there. Yeah,

Executive Producer Tania: pretty much.

Crew Chief Eric: But they can also cut their factories in South America and Mexico. ’cause vehicles are still produced there.

Crew Chief Brad: Those governments wouldn’t step in and help. I’m sure Volkswagen has lobbyists on Capitol Hill right now trying to say, Hey, we’re getting ready to cut these 50,000 jobs.

The economy’s already strained. Why don’t you go ahead and kick a little bit of bailout money out the way and see, you know, if we, we can keep these jobs going

Crew Chief Eric: about that. All that.

Crew Chief Brad: It’s all a far, it’s all a far

Crew Chief Eric: and then we talked about last month how they’re building munitions or something now too, to try to diversify their engineering portfolio.

So it’s like, all right, whatever to aid the, um,

Crew Chief Brad: the losing F1 team.

Crew Chief Eric: Well that and what, what did we call the excursion? The excursion.

Crew Chief Brad: The excursion.

Crew Chief Eric: But you know, they, they [00:24:00] have taken other avenues to try to shore up their pocketbooks, right? Tanya? They’ve gotten in bed with

Executive Producer Tania: Hot Wheels.

Crew Chief Brad: They’re tugging at the nostalgia heartstrings.

Crew Chief Eric: They are, you know, at 15 bucks a pop for two hot Wheels in this special premium collection pack. But you know what this says, you know what? Cars aren’t in this bubble pack? It’s not an ID buzz. It’s not an ID four. It’s not this Jetta X thing. It’s not the benga or the take hand.

It’s the R 30 twos. The last real enthusiast Volkswagens that they made, whether the R, the second gen R 30 twos sold well or not doesn’t really matter. But the point is these are the cars we wanted. Yeah. And it does pull up the nostalgia strings, like you said, Brad, but they need to go back to building cars like this.

Crew Chief Brad: That’s what I’m saying. Like it to fix Volkswagen, they need to go back to what Volkswagen did best, and they were their best in the late nineties and early two thousands.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, they had finally figured it out and then after that it was like all downhill [00:25:00] race to the bottom. But that’s okay, because you know what?

Sometimes when you visit other companies, you realize how good you got it. So when Volkswagen looks over the fence and says. What’s going on over there? Stellantis. They feel good about themselves. It’s getting weird. It’s stellantis.

Crew Chief Brad: Can, can you pronounce this plant name for me because I’m, I, it it’s pronounced in a certain way in my head and I think it’s wrong, so I don’t wanna say it.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s French.

Crew Chief Brad: I, I I understand.

Crew Chief Eric: And the way I understand the non phonetic pronunciation. ’cause you gotta remember French, like half the letters are silent or they have a different tonality. So I asked my wife, ’cause she speaks French, it’s poi

Crew Chief Brad: That’s pretty close to what I was thinking.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, I knew what you were thinking.

But that is not correct.

Crew Chief Brad: Are are the, the people that work there, a bunch of, of PWAs,

Crew Chief Eric: well, they’re not working there anymore because they’re gonna stop making cars in the [00:26:00] French Stellantis factory and they’re gonna shift to parts and recycling. You might say, who cares? You know, it’s another factory that’s shutting its doors, so be it.

There’s a couple important things about the POI factory and that is that Chrysler has been using that plant since the 1940s,

Crew Chief Brad: that that’s an old poi.

Crew Chief Eric: Now, in terms of the cars that are, that are sold there, or were, I’m sorry, that were built there. That’s the Citra and DS three. That’s the hot hatch. So I’m a little sad about that ’cause that means that car’s not getting built.

Along with the Opal Mocca, CUV, which would be better known to a lot of people in the United States as the Buick Enclave. Not really sad about that going away. I think the sadder part is that it’s a piece of history. Oddly enough, this particular article, which you can find in our show notes, was brought to me by a member of this society of automotive historians, and so they were talking about how the plant is even older than when Chrysler took it over in the forties.

It was [00:27:00] used by Ford, it was used by other people. It’s been around for over a hundred years in automotive production, so it’s sort of living on. But no more cars will be rolling out the doors of the POI factory.

Crew Chief Brad: That’s what I was just about to say. So it, it looks like it’s, it’s not shutting down completely, it’s just being retooled.

Correct. So at least from a economic standpoint, from a job standpoint, like they’re, they’ll probably cut some of the workforce, but not all of it.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah. It’s sort of like Willy Wonka when the guy used to put the caps on the toothpaste. Now he fixes the robots that puts the caps on the toothpaste. It’s that sort of situation, you know what I mean?

Crew Chief Brad: Very nice. Very nice.

Crew Chief Eric: You like that analogy. It’s a good one.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: Meanwhile, in, in other parts of STIs, Fiat is going back to its roots. Look at this thing, Tanya.

Executive Producer Tania: Mm.

Crew Chief Eric: This is the trees.

Executive Producer Tania: How delightful.

Crew Chief Eric: I mean, that looks like an ape. If I ever saw one, Italy was littered with these three wheeled tiny delivery trucks for the longest time.

And then, then they were made by [00:28:00] piaggio, which is the same people that the Vespa and all that stuff. So they had the ape. But they’re bringing it back. It’s very modern. That’s pretty nice. And if it’s an ev, it’s perfect.

Executive Producer Tania: It’s pretty nice.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah.

Crew Chief Brad: Could haul a decent amount of mulch in that truck too.

Executive Producer Tania: You could actually,

Crew Chief Eric: maybe more than that.

Dodge we saw the other day

Executive Producer Tania: more than a cyber truck.

Crew Chief Eric: As we continue discussing lower Saxon A, it’s not really BMW, so I figured you were okay with it. It’s BM BMW adjacent

Crew Chief Brad: because it’s powered by BMW

Crew Chief Eric: and it’s got A BMW drivetrain.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah,

Crew Chief Eric: so Morgan has revealed the new super sport 400.

Crew Chief Brad: I’ve got a question.

Crew Chief Eric: Uhhuh,

Crew Chief Brad: who buys these?

Crew Chief Eric: Right?

Crew Chief Brad: They’re just so ugly.

Crew Chief Eric: I don’t know if ugly is the right term. They’re very classic. They have not deviated far from their original form, that’s for sure. I think these are probably a hoot to drive, probably more fun to drive than a cater, because there’s a little bit more substance to the car.

But the problem is the price. [00:29:00] I mean, you’re getting kind of a really expensive Z four

Crew Chief Brad: that’s made of wood.

Crew Chief Eric: I mean, that’s for lightness and not rigidity.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, because if any, whenever I think of wood. I think of lightness. Not say like an aluminum space frame or carbon fiber or anything like that.

Crew Chief Eric: Why use aluminum when you can cut down tree?

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, we don’t need to breathe.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, that’s okay because they won’t sell too many of ’em at the starting price of just over $152,000. If you can fit the thing like a tight leather shoe, it is small.

Crew Chief Brad: Well, you know who’s already got an order for one? I guarantee it is. Uh, Richard Hammond.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, yeah, because they fit the car around him, like he’s one of the few people that can drive it.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: Did you notice the wheels though?

Executive Producer Tania: They look Porsche wheels.

Crew Chief Brad: Oh yeah, I see.

Crew Chief Eric: There you go, Tanya. Got it. They look like the roof wheels from the eighties.

Crew Chief Brad: They’re nice.

Crew Chief Eric: Doesn’t suit the body style though.

Crew Chief Brad: It doesn’t, but I don’t know any wheels that would suit this body style. The body style doesn’t suit the body style.

Crew Chief Eric: Chariot wheels like [00:30:00] on a Conestoga wagon, that might work.

Crew Chief Brad: Exactly. This car needs to be pulled by a horse.

Executive Producer Tania: Of course.

Crew Chief Eric: You know, Brad, ask and thou Sht receive. We have not talked about General Motors in quite a long time, but I found a piece of General Motors news and it’s yet another swift and well thought out decision on their part.

The CT four and CT five black wings are going

FLORIDA MAN: sad

Crew Chief Eric: and you’re a hundred percent right. And you know why it’s sad? Because these are really the tail end of the manual transmission V eight, fire breathing sports saloons like we all loved and cherished over the years. And this is it. Once these are gone, what’s left?

What can you buy with a V eight with four doors and a stick shift?

Executive Producer Tania: Uh, Dodge Dart.

Crew Chief Eric: That’s a four cylinder

Crew Chief Brad: 16.

Executive Producer Tania: I know, I know.

Crew Chief Eric: So much like the jokes about Volkswagen is this because Cadillac has [00:31:00] to pay for their failing F1 program. Because in my mind, these are the cars you keep around to try to get people excited about your racing program.

Crew Chief Brad: I was just about to say like, and, and you don’t have to have like a whole fleet of them. Like you don’t need. Well, we’ll, we’ll take BMW for example, right? You don’t need an, you don’t need an M, everything in the fricking lineup, but one or two or even 3M cars to entice people to come in and they may not be able to afford an M five, but they can probably afford a regular five series, and it makes ’em feel just as cool.

Like you need these cars to excite people about the brand. Volkswagen has killed off basically all of theirs.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah,

Crew Chief Brad: they say nothing. Looks like GM is doing the same thing with Cadillac. But gm, at least for as far as I can see into the future, which is not very far, they have the Corvette, so they’ll always have the Corvette that entices people to come back to gm.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, let’s put a pin in that [00:32:00] Corvette thing for a

Crew Chief Brad: minute. Oh, did you? Are you gonna, are we gonna talk about the recall? Isn’t there a recall that just happened?

Crew Chief Eric: Oh yeah, there is. Since you brought it up, we might as well go there. They have stopped production on the C eight Corvette.

Executive Producer Tania: Why? What now? Do they light on fire again?

When you fill them with fuel?

Crew Chief Brad: It’s something super silly.

Executive Producer Tania: The hoods come open.

Crew Chief Brad: No, it’s, it is like silly as in like it’s, if I remember correctly, I don’t even think it really warrants a recall, but I could be wrong.

Crew Chief Eric: Chevy Corvette under stop sale. Because software glitch might not tell drivers that their turn signals are out.

Crew Chief Brad: Yes. What that is, who cares? That is such, yeah, that, who cares that? So let’s take the BM BMW approach. Let’s do the, who cares Your freaking turn signals out. So effing what?

Crew Chief Eric: That was the first thing I thought when I saw this was like, do Corvette people even use their turn signals? Like

Executive Producer Tania: Exactly.

Crew Chief Eric: Sort of the Enzo Ferrari thing.

Like what’s behind you? Doesn’t matter guys. I mean, we’re doing like mock two. So who cares? Turns

Crew Chief Brad: you getting the, the, the Corvette owners are doing sub [00:33:00] speed limit.

Crew Chief Eric: Well

Crew Chief Brad: the ones I, the ones I always end up getting behind ’cause they’re like 80 years old and they can finally afford their dream car.

Crew Chief Eric: Those are the C seven drivers.

Now you see ’cause C eight drivers. Those are the TED dbi million dollar man, hairy man, spaghetti wide, open collar. These are the C eight drivers. Okay, got it. Got. These are the guys at their peak earning potential. They wanted a sports car and couldn’t buy a Porsche, so they bought a Corvette instead.

That’s the demographic, the the respectable Corvette owner, they’re buying the old stuff.

Crew Chief Brad: Got it, got it.

Crew Chief Eric: I don’t think c eights come with a pair of new balances. They might come with Jorts like, but they don’t come with New Balance.

Crew Chief Brad: They come with new balance driving shoes, new balance, lrs,

Crew Chief Eric: what a terrible, terrible recall.

That’s the silliest C eight recall, yet it’s had some dumb recalls, but this one takes the cake.

Crew Chief Brad: I understand having a recall, but a, a stop sale,

Crew Chief Eric: right.

Crew Chief Brad: For a software update

Crew Chief Eric: that you do over the air.

Executive Producer Tania: It’s important that your turn signals work, but they’re brand new cars. Like, [00:34:00] are the turn signals failing immediately?

Like that should be like a. 10 years from now problem.

Crew Chief Brad: Are they using Philips bulbs?

Executive Producer Tania: I don’t know if I’ve ever changed a turn signal, light bulb.

Crew Chief Eric: I don’t think I have either. You change headlight bulbs, brake light bulbs, but turn signal. Nah.

Crew Chief Brad: You know what the problem is? This is some stupid government regulation that says it needs to blink about 5,000 times a second when your turn signal’s out.

So you know your turn signal’s out. Although it’s still blinking. So is it technically out,

Crew Chief Eric: you know how that worked on the old cars? And to your point, why is this such a big thing? Because the little stock that activates the turn signal isn’t actually connected to the circuitry for the turn signal anymore.

Remember, this is a software problem. Mm-hmm. Because on the old cars when the bulb went out, as rare as that was

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, it was like tripper relay or something. Right. And it wasn’t getting, it wasn’t getting enough circuitry or something.

Crew Chief Eric: It shorts the circuit and causes the relay to start opening and closing really fast.

Yeah. ’cause it was all what? Mechanical.

Crew Chief Brad: Gee, [00:35:00] imagine that.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah. Yeah. Shocker. Well, Brad, I wanna go back to something you said before about the badge engineering at BMW. As we know over the last decade, they are infamous for slapping an M badge on just about anything. Got that? MI three. Hmm? Yeah. Woo. This one just made me shake my head.

Tanya and I actually talked about this off camera. We’ve been very excited about all the gazoo racing products from Toyota gr, this GR jars, gr supra, GR 86. Gr gr. They’re everywhere. It’s awesome. Even the Haas GR Toyota team, right? I mean now this season, but because they enthusiast who is at the helm of Toyota is now left and it’s in charge of by a bean counter.

They have taken a page from their partnership with BMW. ’cause let’s not forget that the Supra was a Z four, the Supra, as we like to call it. So now Toyota is slapping GR badges on stuff. And I’m gonna use the word stuff ’cause I don’t wanna say [00:36:00] anything too bad, but I’ll just say this Toyota’s introducing the RAV4 GR sports

Executive Producer Tania: garbage.

Crew Chief Eric: Is that what GR is short for now? Garbage.

Crew Chief Brad: So I will say this is not new territory for Toyota because they’ve been doing it in the US for years.

Executive Producer Tania: TRD

Crew Chief Brad: with Lexus and they’ve got the F sport, which is not an F. So they’ve been doing it for a while now it’s just kind of trickled down into the normal Toyota brand.

Crew Chief Eric: All I’m gonna say is there is nothing sport or GR about this RAV4. The design alone is pretty terrible looking. It reminds me of that Bentley we talked about earlier. It’s just awful. But hey, it’s got little red stitching in the seats GR right there.

Crew Chief Brad: So you’re paying for an appearance package

Crew Chief Eric: pretty much like the BMWs.

It’s just an appearance but slap some badges on it. It’s a m now. Terrible. Toyota, you make me sad.

Crew Chief Brad: You gotta do better.

Crew Chief Eric: I got click [00:37:00] baited this month guys. I got really excited. I read the headline from Car Scoops, pinine Farina, who has been, by the way, booted from Ferrari. They’re no longer designing Ferrari.

That’s why I got excited about this. Pinine Farina has a Honda NSX reboot and I was like, Ooh, ooh, this is gonna be good. Like they’re gonna get their revenge on Ferrari. You know, as we joke that a lot of the Ferrari look like an NSX, but unfortunately this is a rest mod. Mm-hmm. Body kit by PanIN Farina. I mean it looks good, don’t get me wrong.

’cause the classic NSX looks good and it’s still a good looking cart to this day, but what a bummer.

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, it looks better than the The real in SX they came up with.

Crew Chief Eric: Yes. I love the wide bodiness to it.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, that’s hot. The red one. I would drive that

Crew Chief Eric: it looks more Ferrari than a Ferrari. If you think about it.

And it’s got pop-up headlights. How can you go wrong with pop-up headlights? That is amazing.

Crew Chief Brad: Yes.

Crew Chief Eric: But we’re not getting a new [00:38:00] NSX. However, comma, if this partnership were to continue somehow between Penny and Farina and Honda, that would be epic. The engines are still gonna be anemic, but the designs are gonna be amazing.

Let’s dog ear this a little bit. Come back to it and see if anything else progresses. Especially since Honda and Sony have sort of parted ways and dissolved the whole Alea thing, maybe they can concentrate on some good looking cars instead of the whatever that was. All right. Well, Kia decided apparently to make the cyber truck better looking.

Executive Producer Tania: I don’t understand because they said it’s a stinger, and I’m like, I don’t remember the stinger looking like this.

Crew Chief Eric: It did not. This looks like a cyber truck. Am I wrong?

Executive Producer Tania: Because like the Kia Stinger admittedly wasn’t a bad looking sedan.

Crew Chief Brad: It looks like an A seven to me. I liked it a lot.

Crew Chief Eric: Did you see the interior shot?

That is like minority report? Total recall.

Crew Chief Brad: Murder. Death Kill murder. Death kill.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah. It’s like all the sci-fi films sprawled into [00:39:00] one. I wanna say this is terrible, but from every angle it’s better looking than a cyber truck.

Crew Chief Brad: What is that weird joystick thing in the gold seat? I thought it was a cup holder.

At first. I thought that was a Starbucks cup or a stand.

Crew Chief Eric: Is that a steering wheel or a Lego brick?

Executive Producer Tania: Maybe it drives itself.

Crew Chief Brad: Is that something to sit on? Well, I don’t get it.

Crew Chief Eric: Again, the cyber truck is the bottom of the barrel.

Executive Producer Tania: If that’s at the bar, then I mean, don’t take much. And guess what? It does not look good in Kelly Green.

That is not a favorable wrap. Color choice?

Crew Chief Eric: Nope. Oh, what’s this? Somebody added an, what’s this? What’s this? Someone added an article

Executive Producer Tania: so much like Honda. Is doing with heritage parts. Now, apparently Nissan will also be having a program for heritage parts

Crew Chief Eric: only if you own an Ultima, right?

Executive Producer Tania: Well,

I mean

Crew Chief Brad: Ultimas [00:40:00] are all original parts. They don’t ever change ’em.

Executive Producer Tania: They seem to indicate for the Z cars.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh, okay. I’m glad you specified.

Executive Producer Tania: You’re probably not getting some heritage parts for your 1990 Altima.

Crew Chief Brad: There’s no Altima Z Sport.

Crew Chief Eric: Brad, you bring up a very valid point. What if NI Nissan did that

Crew Chief Brad: like a Nismo sport?

Crew Chief Eric: SMOs Ultima.

Crew Chief Brad: An an Ultima.

Crew Chief Eric: That’d be terrible. I mean, good for them. More companies need to do this because plenty of enthusiasts have old cars, and as we’ve learned with our Ford project, which isn’t that old, it’s extremely difficult to get stuff and it’s like it shouldn’t be. I mean, we’re very blessed in the Volkswagen community that there’s a huge aftermarket support for all the old cars, but I feel for everybody else, if you don’t have that network and you don’t have that import overnight from Japan thing going on, it’s gotta be extremely hard to get stuff done, which is why you never see any of these cars on the road.[00:41:00]

Well, switching to EVs and concept cars, Tanya, they finally got the smart right?

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, these cloth wheels, I don’t understand.

Crew Chief Eric: I’ve never seen white tires before.

Crew Chief Brad: They won’t be white for long.

Crew Chief Eric: What is with these front ends? This is the third car with this thing that looks like, you remember those mats like our grandparents would put in the bathtub so you wouldn’t slip.

You know those things for like the seventies, like that’s what that looks like. You know what that feels like? You don’t even have to touch it. You know what it feels like?

Executive Producer Tania: I don’t think this feels like that. However,

Crew Chief Eric: it looks like a suitcase.

Executive Producer Tania: You know the problem is you don’t need a grill. So what do you do with that space?

And I guess there’s trying to be creative with a pattern of. Plus signs, [00:42:00] negative signs and circles.

Crew Chief Eric: All the mathematical operations you can think of like what is this?

Executive Producer Tania: Which the front view has a pound sign and a two in the little, I guess those are lights of some sort in the grill.

Crew Chief Eric: That’s ’cause it’s the four two,

Crew Chief Brad: hashtag four two.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah. Much like the mini, they did not deviate too far from its roots. So it’s, you look at it and go, that’s a smart, I mean the wheels and the tires are bizarre.

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, the thing is two feet long, how much can you deviate from the spirit of it?

Crew Chief Eric: True. It is a roller skate. Here’s the shocking part, and maybe it’s not 186 mile range on battery.

Is that not enough or is that just right for its size?

Crew Chief Brad: Well, I think it’s right for its size. I don’t know anybody that would be taking a road trip in a car this size. And it’s gonna be in the UK and Europe and everything. It’s,

Crew Chief Eric: no, you’re gonna take that back because I posted on Discord. I saw a gentleman driving around the city this month in a [00:43:00] Braas Smart, which I had to like do a 10 take not a triple take.

I did like a 10 take.

Crew Chief Brad: You were in the city.

Executive Producer Tania: He wasn’t driving down the coast.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. You didn’t see ’em on 95.

Crew Chief Eric: City miles are like dog years. Okay. Like how many country miles are equal to a city mile? You know what I’m saying? Like it’s, it’s rough and tumble out there.

Executive Producer Tania: Uh,

Crew Chief Eric: it’s an excursion.

Executive Producer Tania: That comparison makes no sense.

Crew Chief Eric: I don’t know. I feel like an electric smart should do like 500 miles before it needs to be charged.

Crew Chief Brad: Where are they gonna put all the batteries?

Executive Producer Tania: Exactly. You think that? ’cause you go, oh, it’s so small it power to wait. It should be going forever. But the problem is it’s so small. You can fit like one Duracell battery in it

Crew Chief Eric: double or triple A.

Crew Chief Brad: When I think of a smart car, yes. I think it should go like, sure. To use Eric’s analogy or Eric’s thought it should go 500 miles. Yeah, you should be able to charge it off of Mofi on your phone.

Crew Chief Eric: Yes, a hundred percent.

Executive Producer Tania: If you could fit a battery on that, that could do. 500 [00:44:00] miles, then we should be getting way better mileage out of bigger cars.

Crew Chief Eric: But we’re not, because I think it’s all part of the game. Or the farce

Crew Chief Brad: delusion.

Crew Chief Eric: Thank you.

Crew Chief Brad: It all, it all aids. The uh, the conflict,

Crew Chief Eric: the excursion. My new favorite. It’s my word of the month excursion

Crew Chief Brad: liberation.

Crew Chief Eric: I’m talking about the Ford. Isn’t that what you’re talking about?

Crew Chief Brad: Oh, of course. Always.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, Brad, let’s switch to Lost and found your favorite part of the drive through where we scour the internet and call up Chuck led duck at Gray Chevrolet to see if he’s got anything on the lot that we want to buy. And I found a car for Tanya.

Executive Producer Tania: Uh oh.

Crew Chief Eric: Shall I read the stats? Limited production only 250 units worldwide.

This was a Japanese allocation with left hand drive. 45 units were sent to Japan. It’s serial number 1 [00:45:00] 74 of two 50. Its condition is non-smoking and it’s completely stock and its interior and exterior. Its exclusive. Features include RO orange leather, front bucket seats, 18 inch oz, magnesium wheels, and a Remus dual exhaust system, which I don’t think was stock on this particular car.

What am I talking about? The 3.2 liter VR six powered Beetle RSI.

Crew Chief Brad: I hope Tanya has not looked at it to see the cost yet.

Executive Producer Tania: Oh, I know the cost. So why don’t we refresh people and what that cost is.

Crew Chief Eric: What do we think this should cost? What would you be willing to pay for a Beatle RSI? And please note that in the picture, there’s a black magic R 32 behind it.

Crew Chief Brad: It’s your old black magic R.

Crew Chief Eric: That’s probably where it ended up. Yeah, it was

Crew Chief Brad: sent to Japan.

Crew Chief Eric: Don’t even get me started. All right, Tanya, what would you pay for an RSI Beetle?

Executive Producer Tania: What would I pay? That’s a very good question.

Crew Chief Eric: Don’t let it weigh you down. Like other purchases weigh you down. [00:46:00] Just be like, I would pay if I had a million dollars and I don’t care, I would pay.

Blah. What would you pay?

Executive Producer Tania: Well, if I had a million dollars and I didn’t care, then I could just buy this one.

Crew Chief Eric: Okay. But I’m just saying like, I’m trying to alleviate the pressure where you’re like, oh, I don’t wanna pay too much and I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna underpay just like, put out a number. Like what do you think this car is worth to you?

Executive Producer Tania: $30,000.

Crew Chief Eric: 30. Wow. You’re so cheap.

Executive Producer Tania: I know. That’s why I was like, hesitating.

Crew Chief Eric: I was to say 50.

Crew Chief Brad: I was, I, I was in the 50 to 60 range.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah. ’cause these are super rare,

Executive Producer Tania: considered maybe 45.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh my god. So cheap.

Executive Producer Tania: Okay. We do all these things to it, and then there’s still that steering wheel,

Crew Chief Brad: but it’s entirely stock.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s allegedly stocked.

That Remus exhaust did not come from Volkswagen. I’m just pointing

Executive Producer Tania: out allegedly stock. Did they come with orange Recaro bucket seats?

Crew Chief Eric: I don’t remember what the RSIs came with. Those are heinous though. But yes, it still has like the factory [00:47:00] stupid steering wheel that was in your, that’s in your beetle.

Crew Chief Brad: Those are the seats I need in my car.

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, maybe they came like this, we wouldn’t know. They didn’t sell ’em here.

Crew Chief Eric: No they did not.

Executive Producer Tania: Would I pay $160,000 for it? No. If I had a million dollars, then

Crew Chief Eric: well see. If I won the lottery, I would buy you this. I wouldn’t have told you that I bought it for you. I would just have it delivered to your house and then I wouldn’t give you the keys for a while.

Just like tease you that. It’s like sitting in your driveway. These are super cool.

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, I would want one,

Crew Chief Eric: it’s really a shame. Nobody created an authentic body kit where you could build one, granted be front wheel drive, or if you want to do all the work to the drive train to put the all wheel drive in there, it’s not a big deal.

You get it from a tt.

Crew Chief Brad: I was just about to say like what would be more expensive buying this car at 160 or building one yourself?

Executive Producer Tania: Buying this car for 160?

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, it’s probably cheaper to build one.

Executive Producer Tania: I don’t know that you could build it exactly like this one.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, there was that one that we saw. [00:48:00] It was the HPA one that sold on bring a trailer and that was under a hundred thousand so that you would’ve had money to spare and they did build one.

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, I really also don’t like this interior. If that’s actually how it came,

Crew Chief Eric: it would’ve been cool if it was blue.

Crew Chief Brad: Did they ever, did they come in any other color other than silver? No, I think I’ve only seen them in silver.

Executive Producer Tania: I don’t only ever seen them silver.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: The racing ones came in all sorts of funky colors, orange and blue, and like all the, the Beetle Cup series ones that they used.

Crew Chief Brad: So what I would buy for going down a rabbit hole here, I would save my 160,000 from this and I would buy that Volkswagen, GTI that I think it was oh 34 built that had a 2.7 twin turbo V six in the back.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, I know what you’re talking about.

Crew Chief Brad: That car was. Maze balls. I would buy that. It was, it sold, you know, a few years ago or several years ago.

I can’t remember what it sold for, but that car was awesome. They put a lot of time and customization into that.

Executive Producer Tania: I have to go back for a second before we move on to [00:49:00] this 3 56 thing, because the comments of some things are so funny. The amount of people that don’t understand this car and why it is so expensive is insane.

You are insane. I understand what this car is because I have the front wheel drive version of it without the VR six.

Crew Chief Eric: This is the same. Same but different thing.

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, yes, it’s badass. And had they only sold these here,

Crew Chief Brad: you still wouldn’t be able to afford it.

Executive Producer Tania: End of the day it’s, it’s 25-year-old beetle.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah,

Executive Producer Tania: I mean,

Crew Chief Eric: so instead, let’s talk about 65-year-old beetle. Let’s talk about three pieces. There you go. Let’s back off of this $160,000 number. Let’s say you had $160,000 to spend. Would you spend it on an RSI Beetle?

Executive Producer Tania: No.

Crew Chief Eric: Or would you buy a 3 56? Because that’s what Manny from PCA longtime friend of the show is basically espousing in his latest blog post on pca.org.[00:50:00]

Executive Producer Tania: Oh, no, I would, I was gonna say I was gonna buy A A MG Mercedes gt.

Crew Chief Brad: I was just about to say, you wanna say A-M-G-G-T?

Crew Chief Eric: Yes. But if we’re comparing beetle shaped vehicles

Executive Producer Tania: Oh. I didn’t know that that was a boundary to the conversation.

Crew Chief Eric: It is now.

Crew Chief Brad: Tanya would buy 16 Turbo butyl. They make one good one out of all 16.

Crew Chief Eric: Alright, so getting back to it, would you spend 160,000 on RSI? We already know you’d buy Mercedes, which is more akin to the 9 28 or 3 56 because I’ve said for a long time the 3 56 market is ripe for the picking because there’s too many people sacrificing nine elevens to go build singers. Or they’re holding onto their nine elevens and they’ve gone through the roof and these 3 56 s are left behind unloved.

Executive Producer Tania: Would I buy that for $160,000? Or the Beetle for $160,000?

Crew Chief Eric: 3 56. Not a Beetle

Executive Producer Tania: Say what?

Crew Chief Eric: 3 [00:51:00] 56? Not a beetle.

Executive Producer Tania: No, no, no. I thought you said the choice. The question is, would I buy this RSI for $160,000 or this 3 56 for the same money

Crew Chief Eric: and 3 56 might cost less. I mean, you’re getting a classic Porsche for less than that Beetle.

Executive Producer Tania: And after I’ve spanked it off the line,

Crew Chief Eric: hey, now they make 75 horsepower. Okay.

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, I would have, I would buy the RSI. I think

Crew Chief Eric: I would love to have a 3 56 like I’ve read this article, and Manny is not wrong. These cars are gonna have a second coming. They’re gonna have a whole new fellowship and a whole new following.

I think they’re the place that if you’re looking to buy a Porsche, especially an air cold Porsche. You should invest your money in 3 56 s.

Crew Chief Brad: How much is a 3 56 running right now?

Crew Chief Eric: He doesn’t mention it in the article.

Executive Producer Tania: Newtown Square, wherever that is, has a used 77,000 mile 1962 Porsche 3 56 BT six 1600 Super for the low low price of 229 9 [00:52:00] 9 5.

Is

Crew Chief Eric: that all?

Executive Producer Tania: You could also get a 1959 Porsche 3 56 used with 4,000 miles on eBay for $80,000.

Crew Chief Eric: So the pendulum swings pretty far there. Brad.

Crew Chief Brad: Ooh, here you go. A one scale, one Porsche, 3 56 speedster wooden display model.

Crew Chief Eric: Ah, Uhhuh.

Crew Chief Brad: If you want to go the Morgan route,

Crew Chief Eric: Uhhuh

Crew Chief Brad: is, uh. Sold for 15,000.

Executive Producer Tania: Okay. This is a nice clean 1 56 speed.

Well, it’s a speedster replica.

Crew Chief Eric: I’d take a replica.

Executive Producer Tania: 44 9.

Crew Chief Eric: That’s not bad.

Executive Producer Tania: That’s not bad.

Crew Chief Eric: 45,000 for a classic Porsche. That is not bad.

Executive Producer Tania: That is not bad. However, dollar for dollar. I mean, that would be,

Crew Chief Brad: well, here you go. Porsche 3 56, speedster styled, go-kart. Oh,

Crew Chief Eric: stop. Stop.

Crew Chief Brad: 80, 80, $200.

Executive Producer Tania: Uh, it’s another [00:53:00] replica. You could get a 3 56, a replica for 35 9.

Crew Chief Eric: I am good with replicas too.

Executive Producer Tania: In the great state of Michigan.

Crew Chief Brad: Are the replicas just built on beetles?

Crew Chief Eric: Yes. Okay. Just like the Beck Spiders and all those other things out there. Well, all right. Well, I haven’t convinced you to buy a 3 56. Well, maybe I can convince you to buy this uncool wall nominee. It’s been a minute.

I found one.

Crew Chief Brad: The fudge is this.

Crew Chief Eric: This is a Homebrew Chevy Trailblazer convertible, and as the headline reads, it is the mullet of cars.

Executive Producer Tania: Dang.

Crew Chief Eric: It is business in the front, already in the back for sale at a Nissan dealership of all places. Somebody traded this in

Crew Chief Brad: or across Cabrio Lake.

You were gonna say Ultima?

Crew Chief Eric: I was, but

Crew Chief Brad: I I beat you. No. A, a Murano Cross. Cabrio Lake. They were like, you know what? This one is it, but that one? Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: What was wrong with this [00:54:00] trailblazer? That somebody said, you know what, we gotta cut the roof off and make it a convertible.

Crew Chief Brad: They’re friends with Daniel.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, we’ll get to one of those in a minute.

Don’t stray too far from that thought. But here’s what gets me, right? So the structural rigidity of a trailblazer is, uh, partially where

Crew Chief Brad: the doors,

Crew Chief Eric: well in its roof structure ’cause it’s built like a box. So how much does this flex when it goes down the road,

Crew Chief Brad: you’re assuming it goes down the road.

Crew Chief Eric: Well that’s true too.

But more importantly, if you were gonna spend the time and the money to do this, why not just buy an SSR?

Crew Chief Brad: Because then it doesn’t run on that sweet, sweet straight six.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, right. It’s not even an ss it’s not even a V eight in this. This is terrible.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, it’s got that 4.2 liter in line six mm You can feel those 275 ponies.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, but look how much less it weighs now that it has no glass.

Crew Chief Brad: Sure. Actually someone even put in here small, like they mentioned the SSR in [00:55:00] here. So

Crew Chief Eric: that’s what I’m saying, man, that’s ugh. The fakes people do is absolutely just incredible. So yeah, this one’s going up on the uncool wall so you can vote on it with like 90 other cars that are on the uncool wall at this point.

Well, speaking of things that are uncool, we would be remiss if we didn’t look at this picture of Elon. Look at this picture of Elon. What a nerd this was back in the early days of the Roadster, and the reason I bring this up is the Roadster is back in the conversation again.

Crew Chief Brad: How are the profits up?

Crew Chief Eric: I don’t know.

There’s tons of cyber trucks sitting around on lots being unsold. Mm. Maybe selling more carbon credits. Again, the reason I bring this up, and again, it has been in multiple feeds and uh, you know, some new renderings of the Roadster and whatnot, all AI generated. But Musk is quoted as saying the Roadster will be Tesla’s last manually driven car.

He also claims Tesla’s aspirational goal of building the last. [00:56:00] Best driver’s car. I think Porsche’s got something to say about that.

Crew Chief Brad: This is a non story Moving on.

Crew Chief Eric: Complete clickbait. I mean the Roadster is never gonna happen. We’ve been talking about the Roadster since 2017. Like it predates the show.

They’ve been teasing with the lasers and the this and the that, and it’s gonna do zero to 60 in 1.9 seconds with the dual cannons. And Bobby Parks came on talking about it’s gonna be the next hit. Dragster, blah, blah. I mean, it is the biggest vaporware smoke and mirrors car ever. And we thought the cyber truck was gonna be like that too.

Like they were never gonna make it. And then they finally made that. So maybe, maybe this just, we haven’t waited long enough. Right? 2027 will be 10 years that we’ve been talking about the delayed production of the Tesla Roadster.

Crew Chief Brad: Alright, so question time.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh boy.

Crew Chief Brad: What happens first? The Tesla Roadster goes into production, or Volkswagen writes the ship.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh, [00:57:00] dude. I don’t know if that can be answered. That might be like the secret of the universe. I don’t know that we can answer that question. That’s wow, that that dude, I’m having a, uh, existential crisis now trying to solve that problem.

Crew Chief Brad: It’s like that meme with the woman in the middle of the screen with all the math equations going around her head and everything.

It’s exactly what’s going on in your head right now.

Crew Chief Eric: Pretty much. Pretty much.

Well, let’s move to the segment that has changed more times than you’ve changed your socks this month. Let’s go to seriously, what could go wrong where we get to ask Tanya the same question we’ve asked her for six months. Have you watched the F1 movie?

Executive Producer Tania: Well,

Crew Chief Eric: what, before you answer that, our listeners will have to tune in for the next Formula Fanatics episode.

We will answer that question. So let’s put a pin in. For a moment. How do you keep an idiot in suspense? I’ll tell you tomorrow,[00:58:00]

but seriously though, what could go wrong? This one came across my desk also from the Society of Automotive Historians, so I’m just gonna sort of read this in. In summary, there’s a TV journalist based in New York that is currently developing a documentary on a sport from the early 19 hundreds known as.

Auto polo.

Executive Producer Tania: Ooh,

Crew Chief Eric: it is a wonderfully chaotic motorsport. The tour through Madison Square Garden and Coney Island in the 1910s and twenties before repair bills finally killed it. Take a look at, this is the craziest thing I have ever seen.

Crew Chief Brad: It reminds me of the auto football that top gear played,

Crew Chief Eric: but mental

Crew Chief Brad: with more, more car around.

Executive Producer Tania: No, this is like the other thing. The chariots with the motorcycles where it’s like you have the motorcycles in front and you’re doing like chariots of fire,

Crew Chief Eric: but look at some of these wrecks. These guys are being ejected, but then there’s also, what do you wanna call him? The mechanic, like he’s leaning out over the car [00:59:00] while the other car’s going by.

They’ve got these clubs in their hand trying to hit the ball.

Crew Chief Brad: Well, those are the polo clubs.

Executive Producer Tania: This is like a top gear episode. This is where they got it from.

Crew Chief Eric: Look at the one as you get down maybe three quarters away, where the guy is leaning out the rear passenger. He has what looks like, I don’t know, a snowshoe and he’s hitting an oversized ball.

You see this? This is the most buck wild thing I’ve ever seen.

Crew Chief Brad: It looks like a Morgan

Executive Producer Tania: Wonder how people died doing this.

Crew Chief Eric: There’s so many death in Motorsport because of this stuff. Like this is why not Formula One. It’s this. How many rollovers? Absolutely insane.

Executive Producer Tania: That was Darwinism.

Crew Chief Eric: They thought it was fun.

You say it’s Darwinism. This is sport.

Executive Producer Tania: This is also the meme where it’s like, this is why men don’t live long.

Crew Chief Eric: God bless. Absolutely

Crew Chief Brad: dumb ways to die.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, finally, Brad, you sort of buried the lead earlier talking about mountain man. Dan, going back to our [01:00:00] sort of showcase, this gentleman has solved the world’s gas problem.

He built a square body Chevy that runs on would

look at this thing. I’m gonna say that again. It runs on wood. Brad, your face says it all,

Executive Producer Tania: but it says that it’s covered 60,000 miles. That’s impressive.

Crew Chief Brad: That was be before the wood.

Crew Chief Eric: It took 20 years to build this thing.

Executive Producer Tania: It was built for enjoyment, not as an energy solution.

Crew Chief Eric: I’m gonna say bull. I’ve heard Dan talk about his hydroelectric plant based off of creek. This is pure trying to beat the man, beat the system, and not pay the gas bills.

Executive Producer Tania: The V eight pulls as if it runs on gasoline.[01:01:00]

Crew Chief Eric: ’cause the best part, it takes five to 10 minutes to get started up.

Crew Chief Brad: Probably makes a mean wood fire pizza.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh my God.

Crew Chief Brad: It also takes 81 pounds of wood to go 60 miles.

Crew Chief Eric: Yes.

Crew Chief Brad: That’s a lot of wood.

Crew Chief Eric: And I love how the article says it’s a small inconvenience so it can go 60 miles on 81 pounds of wood, but you have to feed it every 43 miles. So you can’t even do the whole 60 miles.

’cause you have to keep the fire going.

Executive Producer Tania: But I could get to work. On one wood fill.

Crew Chief Brad: That’s when you get your brother Darrell and your other brother Darrell up there feeding it and stoking it as you’re driving down the road.

Executive Producer Tania: Oh, we have to stay tuned because there’s going to be a video later to document this Chevy’s participation in a one mile speed event.

Crew Chief Brad: Is this whistling diesel.

Crew Chief Eric: This is some mountain [01:02:00] man engineering right here.

Crew Chief Brad: This, this is Daniel looking around his property thinking, you know what? I got a lot of, I got a lot of wood up here. How am I gonna get rid all this wood? I got a lot of wood and a lot of cars. Hmm.

Crew Chief Eric: But then you gotta burn different woods, right?

I wonder if cherry wood gets you a couple extra miles versus, you know, burning an oak.

Executive Producer Tania: Let’s think about this. He’s got the cover on. Well, no, he doesn’t have a cover on the back. So you got the bed of the truck, so that’s good. ’cause you can carry all your fuel in the bed of the truck. Then when you pull over, you put it in the pot, burn it.

I guess you can’t use this in the rain

because last I checked, what wood doesn’t burn very well.

Crew Chief Eric: You know, engines don’t burn water either.

Crew Chief Brad: Seeing this gives me a really good idea. So we take this idea, but we refine it. Instead of wood, we burn like a [01:03:00] liquid or something that like burns really efficiently. Oh. Instead of storing it in the bed of the truck, we put it in a tank and we, we burn it that way and it gets pumped through the tank.

We can call it fuel. Well hold on a

Executive Producer Tania: second.

Crew Chief Brad: And you use a fuel pump to get it outta the tank.

Crew Chief Eric: That’s some Star Trek stuff, man. That is, no,

Executive Producer Tania: you know what would be interesting? We need to do the math on the price of a quart of wood equivalency. The quart of wood per gallon to fuel per gas. Like is this really, it’s more

Crew Chief Eric: expensive.

Of course. It’s like $600 a cord. How much gas are you buying?

Crew Chief Brad: Would it be more powerful and more efficient if you douse the wood and like lighter fluid?

Crew Chief Eric: No, it would burn faster. So here’s the other problem, okay. To make those wood chips, he’s gotta burn diesel to run his chipper at $6 a gallon to make fuel for the truck.

It doesn’t work.

Crew Chief Brad: He’s using coal. [01:04:00] It just.

Crew Chief Eric: See you read my mind because that’s the next logical conclusion to Tanya’s problem, which is because the wood chips get wet. Well, why don’t I use the wood chips in a device where I can use it to heat something else and maybe make, oh, I don’t know, steam. Steam Powers next watch.

Revolutionary idea.

Crew Chief Brad: We have gone full circle.

Crew Chief Eric: The internet still gives me hope. It’s stuff like this.

Crew Chief Brad: For what?

Crew Chief Eric: That I can find something actually entertaining.

Crew Chief Brad: So you tell me, this guy’s in Florida.

Executive Producer Tania: No. You know what it’s said? It was a finish. A Finnish Chevy truck. So do they mean like this is in Finland?

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah, it has a European license plate. I just noticed that. It’s got the long, skinny one.

Executive Producer Tania: There you go.

Crew Chief Brad: I love that giant radiator.

Crew Chief Eric: What is Daniel in Finnish? We need to convert his name.

Crew Chief Brad: I think Daniel is universal.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh, okay. He’s not a Bjorn. He’s. All right, if that wasn’t enough, let’s move on to [01:05:00] rich people things.

Crew Chief Brad: This is the, the opposite of rich people things.

Crew Chief Eric: Well, I have just an announcement more than anything else, not anything to share on the rich people thing side. I just want to invite everybody to come join us July 10th through the 12th in South Bend, Indiana for the Automotive History Live conference.

That’ll be in conjunction with the concourses at kol, which is operated and sponsored by the Studebaker National Museum. So you get to meet folks from Studebaker, the Society of Automotive Historians, as well as Don from Garage Style Magazine, and you’ll see William Big Money Ross, John Summers, the motoring historian, and yours truly on stage giving a presentation about the Bianco Spial.

So if you haven’t listened to those podcast episodes, go back and jump in on those. But if you can’t make it to South Bend for that week in July, that’s okay. We’ll be live streaming the event. From our Twitch feed on Twitch tv, grand Touring Motorsports. So more [01:06:00] details to come. So stay tuned to the drive-through and our digital magazine for those updates.

Crew Chief Brad: And don’t forget, if you’re looking for that extra special automobile to complete your garage office den or mancave, be sure to check out garage style magazine.com for a list of upcoming auctions and events, along with a curated list of items going up for sale all over the country, because after all, what doesn’t belong in your garage.

Crew Chief Eric: Thanks for that, Brad. And now we’ll switch gears and talk about are you faster than an interceptor?

This is a real concern. I’ve seen multiple posts about this. I don’t know how many of ’em are real, but this one came from life in Florida. They’re gonna start using drones to catch speeders on the highway.

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, that sucks.

Crew Chief Eric: Right.

Executive Producer Tania: There’s always those signs on the road that say, [01:07:00] enforced by air or something, and it’s like, what?

Really? Like

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: Speed checked by aircraft or whatever it is. Yeah.

Executive Producer Tania: What plane is flying overhead or helicopter clocking someone? Nobody, I’ve never seen it, but this is actually sadly ingenious.

Crew Chief Eric: It is. But these drones have a short lifespan though. Especially these quad rotor ones where they, they use a lot of energy.

They’re gonna nab somebody, but they’re not gonna nab everybody.

Crew Chief Brad: You know? It would probably be better if it ran on wood.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh. Oh geez.

Crew Chief Brad: I love that. It shows, it displays your speed. It would be really cool if it announced it like in cars three, ah, where they’re on the beach and there’s, it’s announcing your speed.

It’s like, Jarvis, what is my speed? 75 miles an hour, 76 miles an hour, 80 miles an hour, 85 miles an hour.

Crew Chief Eric: I don’t know like that. That’s definitely an AI generated picture. But the point is this Skynet police state future that we’re creating for [01:08:00] ourselves, it’s scary, right? I mean, it takes all the joy out of driving, and I’m not saying that you should be out there breaking the law and, and speeding and stuff like that.

I mean, it takes the fun out of cops and robbers I guess a little bit. You know, are you faster than an interceptor at its core? But drones, that’s a scary post-apocalyptic future that we’re talking about there.

Executive Producer Tania: It’s the future, unfortunately. So I don’t like it. But you know what, unfortunately we’re all gonna have to get used to this kind of stuff.

Crew Chief Eric: Uh, but you know, the side effect is gonna be in Florida, the reports are gonna be drunken man with alligator and passenger seat shoots down drone with 30 cal Cannon. You know what I mean? Like it’s gonna be like skeet shooting. It’ll be the next great sport is to get out in your wood powered square body and shoot down drones at 70 miles an hour.

Executive Producer Tania: That’ll be the plus side to this.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s gonna happen wherever there is drone, there is counter drone. That is a real situation.

Crew Chief Brad: I thought it’d be something like Florida man dies trying [01:09:00] to ride drone like Rodeo Bull.

Crew Chief Eric: That’s another good one. And I guarantee that’s gonna happen too. Yeah. This next one is another sort of sad story, and this is, I hate to say shame on you, Jake, from State Farm.

Shame on you, limu, emu, and Doug. A fleeing suspect totals a New York woman’s car and her insurance company isn’t gonna pay out,

Executive Producer Tania: is it? Shame on Jake from State Farm or limu IMO and Doug because she did not have collision insurance.

Crew Chief Eric: This is a freak accident. This is like when the frozen boulder of poo lands on your car from the airline.

Like that’s the same thing. Like, come on. That’s not her fault.

Executive Producer Tania: It’s not her fault.

Crew Chief Eric: Is that a collision? She didn’t collide with anybody?

Executive Producer Tania: No, but she only has personal injury liability on the car. So if the insurance company does not want to be gracious. They’re within their legal rights to say, too bad, so sad.

No persons were injured in this. You did not pay for collision insurance on the car. Therefore there’s no coverage.

Crew Chief Eric: I [01:10:00] got tetanus just looking at this car, personal injury, pay out.

Executive Producer Tania: It’s like, where are you going with that?

Crew Chief Brad: No. Her next step is to go after the state.

Executive Producer Tania: It, it is unfortunate. I mean, the insurance company, they’d have to be gracious and not an insurance company.

Crew Chief Eric: It’s a scam. You pay all this money into the system and when you need it, they’re like, nah, nah. But she

Crew Chief Brad: wasn’t paying enough.

Crew Chief Eric: I’m sure she paid enough to get a new car.

Crew Chief Brad: Well, yeah, but based on the pricing of whatever her insurance company was, she didn’t pay enough.

Crew Chief Eric: I mean, it’s an Impala after all.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, but if she, like everybody’s saying, if she didn’t have collision,

Crew Chief Eric: I don’t know that collision counts in this particular instance.

Crew Chief Brad: It does.

Crew Chief Eric: If nothing else, this is gonna get tied up in court.

So somebody’s gonna buying her a new car at some point.

Crew Chief Brad: So Eric, I see your point. Her insurance company should not be liable for this, but the other person’s insurance company should through their liability insurance

Crew Chief Eric: or the police [01:11:00] or whoever.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. So because this is not her fault,

Executive Producer Tania: but if they haven’t found the person who did it, there’s no other insurance company to, yeah.

Call or if the other person didn’t have insurance,

Crew Chief Brad: she needs to get a lawyer and see the state.

Crew Chief Eric: And on top of that, you can literally tell from the pictures. You don’t have to be a crime scene investigator. We don’t need to call Grissom for this one. You can tell that was not an accident created by something hit this vehicle because you cannot do that on the road.

There’s no way. I bet it

Crew Chief Brad: was an Ultima.

Crew Chief Eric: Of course it was. And it kept going ’cause it’s here for all of it.

Executive Producer Tania: The only thing she could do is sue the person for, I don’t even know. Does it count property damage? Personal property damage something?

Crew Chief Eric: I mean, that’s like squeezing blood out of a turnip.

Executive Producer Tania: Who else are you gonna sue?

Crew Chief Brad: She could sue the police for inciting a chase.

Crew Chief Eric: Ooh. Interesting. I wonder if that holds up,

Crew Chief Brad: whether it holds up or not. It gives her another option.

Crew Chief Eric: I mean, a good lawyer will find a way to make it happen. And then on top of that, there’s the whole garnished weeds thing. ’cause May, this is her only car. She can’t get to work right now.

[01:12:00] She’s gotta do Uber or whatever it is that she’s doing.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah, but she’s in New York Public transportation. Unless she’s using the car for work that doesn’t hold up.

Crew Chief Eric: I’m trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Crew Chief Brad: She needs to go to the police. She needs to sue the police. She’s a victim.

Crew Chief Eric: She’s a victim for sure.

Crew Chief Brad: She needs to sue the police to get a new Ultima.

Crew Chief Eric: Shame on you. Jakes from State Farm. That’s all I’m saying. Oh boy. Tanya brought us one. What is this?

Crew Chief Brad: That’s a funny place to park.

Crew Chief Eric: What the,

Executive Producer Tania: here’s a video.

Crew Chief Eric: There’s Oh shit.

Crew Chief Brad: Oh yes.

Crew Chief Eric: Wait, what was this? A publicity stunt?

Executive Producer Tania: Supposedly not.

Crew Chief Eric: The guy in the Lambo was like backing up.

Oh wow.

Crew Chief Brad: Because he saw her coming.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh, she that high up that she couldn’t see ’em.

Executive Producer Tania: That’s what the article alleges was she’s so lifted and oblivious that she didn’t see the hurricane.

Crew Chief Brad: So I will say, having driven these Silverados of this model year, this body style

Crew Chief Eric: uhhuh,

Crew Chief Brad: it is. One of the reasons I didn’t buy it is ’cause it is nearly impossible to see over the hood.

Crew Chief Eric: And you’re a tall guy. She’s not very tall.

Crew Chief Brad: [01:13:00] I’m six four. Yeah, I know. I can totally see how this is feasible.

Crew Chief Eric: You know, we joke about how the movies are fake. Like, oh, you could never do it. Ran right up the front of that Lamborghini like it was a ramp.

Executive Producer Tania: I mean, the hood of the truck is like a foot above the roof of the thing.

So

Crew Chief Eric: the hood, the bottom of the bumper’s above the hood of the Lamborghini.

Executive Producer Tania: No, no, no. I’m saying the hood of the truck is above the roof of the Lamborghini. Oh yeah. Yeah. So like her line of sight, especially if she’s not paying attention, you, you can’t see that car.

Crew Chief Eric: Wow. You think Jake from State Farm’s gonna pay out on that one?

Executive Producer Tania: Woo.

Crew Chief Eric: That Lambos gonna get totaled. That’s what that’s gonna happen to that. That’s a what? $250,000 car A Huan easily. Maybe more.

Crew Chief Brad: It’ll be 1 25 on the salvage market.

Crew Chief Eric: Hey man, that motor’s still good. That’s all I’m saying. Well, let’s go behind the pit wall. Talk a little bit about motor sports news. So there was a small blur this month about nascar, and we talked about this two [01:14:00] years ago in the drive through where they were testing.

An EV version of the NASCARs that we have today. And they kind of went quiet. And now NASCAR is considering racing the EVs.

Crew Chief Brad: So there’s gonna be a NASCAR version of Formula E.

Crew Chief Eric: Yeah. Or the next generation of nascar. I mean, in my mind, they just got rid of carburetors. So like this is woo ev. What?

Crew Chief Brad: What’s it gonna sound like?

Crew Chief Eric: It’s like a bunch of Dyson vacuum cleaners out on track. Terrible

as they plateau. Like, can you imagine on an oval, like has Formula E even tried that? I mean, they’re doing road courses.

Crew Chief Brad: Yeah. It’s gonna it, it’s gonna make it like 10 laps

Crew Chief Eric: terrible. All right, well speaking of terrible, switching over to sports car and endurance racing Monkey C Monkey Dew in the Formula one world, all I have to say is GT three racing plus land stroll equal.

Epic fail. Do I need to say anything else? Lance [01:15:00] Stroll. GT three racing.

Crew Chief Brad: Who keeps telling this guy that he’s a good driver?

Crew Chief Eric: I just wanna read the stats from the race. I laughed so hard when I saw this. The first time he was lapped 12 times four. Milli one driver was lapped. 12 times. He had 465 seconds of penalty.

Now, that wasn’t all his responsibility for what I read, and he finished 48th.

Crew Chief Brad: Oh, how many cars?

Crew Chief Eric: 47.

Oh my God.

Crew Chief Brad: Where was this

Crew Chief Eric: driving? An Aston Martin, GT three. What a clown. What a buffoon like, do you think he’s gonna do more of these?

Executive Producer Tania: I saw something and I didn’t save it down, whatever. It was basically saying, you know, land Stroll deserves his seed in F1. You know, he won the championships leading, you know, whatever championships he was in leading up to Formula One.

And I’m like, I didn’t even read the whole thing. I’m like, look. Maybe he [01:16:00] deserved his initial seat into Formula One based on performance leading up to Formula One. But in no way does he continue to deserve his seat in Formula One. If his father wasn’t the owner of the

Crew Chief Eric: the Blue Jean Company

Executive Producer Tania: of the team, he’d be gone.

He would’ve been gone already. Nobody would keep him around. So at this point, no. He does not deserve a seat in Formula One.

Crew Chief Eric: I didn’t know you could get your Formula One racing license by going to the Lego Traffic School at Legoland Ron. Oh, your face.

Crew Chief Brad: Lance Stroll, just, I know that’s why you watch Formula One, but we’ll talk about that on the other episode.

Crew Chief Eric: And since we’re talking about sports car and endurance racing, I just wanna mention that we have scheduled a whole bunch of evening with the legend throughout the next couple of months. So if you’re interested in being part of the live audience, we have Charles Mendez coming on April the 29th, followed by the legendary Michael Kaiser in [01:17:00] May.

And then Nicholas Bole in June and David Cot, who’s famous for running the Red Lobster racing BM BMW M1 in August. So check out motoring podcast.net, look under shows, and then evening with a legend and you can jump on and register to be part of the live audience. I just do wanna talk about some virtual stuff ’cause that is now part of our catalog of things that we talk about now.

So they just released a set of course of EVO six or 0.6, the sixth release, I don’t even know what to call it. They’re not even a 1.0 version. They keep modifying the game. This brings a bunch of current Gen GT three cars, like nine elevens and stuff to the table. It also adds Sebring and two classic supercars.

You get the chance to drive the Kunta and the 2 88 GTO Ferrari. The big downside to a CC Evo being a evolution. Every time they change something, they either break something else or they completely change the way you had it set up and it wipes out all your settings and you gotta spend the next three [01:18:00] hours, like recalibrating everything as I wasted a whole bunch of time getting it set up so I could try it before talking about it.

Today. Some of the changes they made to calibration are actually really cool. They, they’re showing you things like pedal output versus what the game thinks it seems, so you can really calibrate the pedals, which really help dial in braking and, and launching with the clutch ’cause the clutch is always an issue and, and getting shifting smoother and stuff like that.

So you’re really able to dial in the dead zones and all that kind of stuff. I will say pedals feel a lot better. The racing was a lot better. The F 40 is still a hoot, but it’s also garbage to drive ’cause they made it way too fragile. So they need to stop making it so lifelike. It would be nice to be able to finish a race without the transmission exploding, but it is getting better.

You know, they’re making changes, stuff like that. I’ll say I, I had one of my best races going back to what we talked about earlier. I hopped in the NSX and it was like, it can go the whole race. It was super reliable, it was quick and it was fun and it’s agile and I was like, just make ’em more [01:19:00] like that. I will say that they changed the physics model a little bit, which is really cool because it is more true to life in the sense that if you go into a turn a little too hot, like the backend steps out in a more realistic way, but you can catch it.

And it’s not like Tokyo Drift kind of thing. Like it feels more like being at the track where you’re having a code brown moment, but you can recover from it. So I was really, really excited about that change. So if they stay on that path, that’d be great. They just need to make the cars a little less fragile.

Now on the other camp, project Motor Racing, that’s the other big one this season, right? That’s based on kind of picking up where project cars two left off. It’s a lot of the developers from that original title. It got a whole UI facelift. So when I logged in, I’m like, where? Yeah, I used to click here to do, I don’t know, I either like relearn the whole menu system and it did get some iconic cars.

One of them is right on the cover of the update. That’s the E 46, M 3G TR, I mean that amazing car. So you get to play with stuff like that. And you know, I’ve been progressing with it since it launched [01:20:00] just like a C Evo. And I still think the TransAm GTO series is the reason I keep playing that game because TransAm GTO isn’t available in anything else right now.

And it is absolutely awesome. It’s my favorite class, hands down. But I’m glad to see both of these games progressing or both of these sims progressing versus some other titles have just completely stalled out. Like I haven’t seen an update for EAs, WRC in a while. There’s been a bunch of other stuff that’s just completely flatlined, so who knows what’s going on there, but we’ll keep tabs on it.

But these are the two big ones for this year if you’re just getting into virtual racing. So that said, our Motorsports News is brought to you in part by Endur Reverse, powered by Hyper Dev America’s premier endurance racing community. So check it out online to become a member@www.interreverse.com. Well, it’s time for the GTM Track side report.

So we got a quick update on our unfocused performance lemons project. We got new motor mounts, we got a new clutch because we figured it’s [01:21:00] probably be smart to not be on the side of the track, 20 minutes in with the unknown history and 237,000 miles on the engine. Might as well do the clutch and make sure that at least we can go more than 20 minutes.

So that’s done. We have yet to do the brakes and we still need tires. And we haven’t decorated the car yet. So if anybody’s looking to help us out there and if you’re look, and if you can’t, you know, a couple bucks would be nice too because all this stuff’s getting expensive really fast. So our first event was supposed to be mid Ohio, like we talked about in the last drive through, but we pushed it off to June 5th through seventh weekend at New Jersey Motorsport Park, that’s the hoop de at New Jersey.

So we’re looking forward to getting the focus out there and doing our first laps. We have some commitments from some drivers, so that’s gonna be good. And hopefully the car will be done in time and hopefully fully decorated. But again, if you are in the area, you wanna come and meet us, you wanna come and hang out.

The paddock is always open. It is free to spectate at lemons events, if I remember correctly. Don’t quote me on [01:22:00] that, but it is a spectacle. It is worth checking out. There’s always a crowd. The cars are really, really interesting and you know, when you start a hundred plus cars in a two and a half mile track, it is absolute chaos.

So we are looking forward to that for sure. Brad, are you excited?

Crew Chief Brad: Uh, I am, I’m not gonna be able to make it to the race, but I’m excited for the lemons race. I will be able to make it to.

Crew Chief Eric: But you got your Santa Claus suit now. You bought a driving suit and everything?

Crew Chief Brad: I did, I did, but unfortunately I’ve got other prior commitments that weekend.

Crew Chief Eric: Aw, so you’re gonna race in October at some point, right?

Crew Chief Brad: I’m definitely gonna be there for that. Uh, I’m trying to figure out another time to get there. To get out in the car and get some sea time before that event as well. So

Crew Chief Eric: I am hoping, crossing my fingers, they had planned this year, New Jersey Summit Point and then they added Road Atlanta to the schedule.

I really wanna get to Road Atlanta that’s in December, so we gotta wait till all the way to the end of the year, which would be a great way to recap and look back over all the progress we made. Maybe we can squeeze in another race here and there. But yeah, super looking forward [01:23:00] to at least the three races that we’ve committed to for the year.

Just gotta get the car done, get everything prioritized and buttoned up and all that kind of thing and still working on a design. Right? Tanya?

Executive Producer Tania: Thought we were done.

Crew Chief Eric: We well, are we? But we’re unfocused, which means we are not committed quite yet.

Crew Chief Brad: That’s why the design is blurry.

Crew Chief Eric: Uh, is that what it is? Oh, I thought it was my eyes.

You’re getting older.

Crew Chief Brad: And if you’re not quite ready to hit the track, don’t forget that you can find tons of upcoming local shows and events at the ultimate reference for Car Enthusiast collector car guide.net.

Executive Producer Tania: If you’re hearing us for the first time, be sure to jump back into our podcast catalog and check out other programs we offer, like the Ferrari marketplace, the motoring historian evening with a legend, the Racers round table, formula, fanatics, break fix, and of course, the drive through.

Crew Chief Brad: And if you enjoy our various podcasts, there’s a great way for you to support our creators on the MPN. There’s tons of extras and bonuses to explore on our updated Patreon page. Learn more about our bonus and behind the scenes content. Get early access to [01:24:00] upcoming episodes or support our 24 hours of lemon’s Team, please, when you consider becoming a break fix VIP by visiting patreon.com/gt Motorsports.

As always, thank you to our co-host and executive producer, uh, who no longer sounds like Kathleen Turner this month. But, uh, Tanya, thank you and to all the fans, friends and family who support Grand Tour Motorsport, as well as the Motoring Podcast network. Without you, none of this would be possible.

Crew Chief Eric: Good job, guys.

Good job.

Was a Is your microphone working?

Crew Chief Brad: Who me?

Crew Chief Eric: Oh, there it goes.

Crew Chief Brad: I didn’t say anything.

Crew Chief Eric: Oh, I thought you did.

Crew Chief Brad: No, I get myself into trouble every time I say something. Mm.

Crew Chief Eric: Only on this show.

Crew Chief Brad: Only anytime I talk. There’s Tanya. Hi, [01:25:00] Tanya.

Executive Producer Tania: Sorry. I was dealing with a spider. Of

Crew Chief Eric: course. It’s like that other episode

Crew Chief Brad: in a dark space.

A quiet space.

Executive Producer Tania: A quiet place. A

Crew Chief Brad: quiet place. Yeah. That’s what I was getting to. Yeah.

Crew Chief Eric: That’s a whole movie like that isn’t there? Where there’s like no talking

Crew Chief Brad: Three eyes. Yeah. I

Executive Producer Tania: don’t want to be in the quiet place.

Crew Chief Brad: No.

Crew Chief Eric: Did you guys hear that? There’s a podcast where there’s like no sound. You just tune in and it’s just nothing

Crew Chief Brad: That’s really dumb

Crew Chief Eric: for a moment there. I thought we, that sound like the

Executive Producer Tania: Yulong channel and Christmas.

Crew Chief Eric: I think so. You know what I mean? I, I don’t know that I could go more than, I don’t know, 30 seconds at least when the microphone’s on.

Crew Chief Brad: Hello and welcome to, we Don’t Talk where we don’t talk. Today’s topic is

Executive Producer Tania: not talking.[01:26:00]

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  • 00:00:00 Show Kickoff
  • 00:00:51 Geopolitics Hits Auto Sales
  • 00:02:06 Ethanol Fuel Explained
  • 00:09:10 Diesel Shortage Fallout
  • 00:12:10 VW EV Touareg Debate
  • 00:18:42 VW China Jetta SUV
  • 00:22:19 VW Profit Crash Layoffs
  • 00:25:13 Stellantis Poissy Factory Shift
  • 00:27:38 Fiat Three Wheeler Returns!
  • 00:28:20 Morgan Supersport 400 Reveal
  • 00:30:09 GM Blackwing Farewell
  • 00:31:58 Corvette Stop Sale Recall
  • 00:35:03 Toyota GR Badge Creep
  • 00:36:59 Pininfarina NSX Restomod
  • 00:38:28 Kia’s new Stinger Concept
  • 00:39:37 Nissan Heritage Parts
  • 00:41:06 Smart EV Concept Talk
  • 00:44:31 Lost and Found: The Beetle RSI, or should you buy a Porsche 356 instead?
  • 00:53:16 Uncool Wall Nominee!
  • 00:55:14 Tesla Roadster Vaporware
  • 00:57:26 Seriously What Could Go Wrong?
  • 01:04:57 Events and Announcements
  • 01:06:25 Drones Catching Speeders, Trucks Climbing Lambos & other Florida Man stories!
  • 01:13:49 Motorsports News Roundup
  • 01:17:18 Sim Racing Updates
  • 01:20:49 Lemons Project Update
  • 01:23:20 Support and Sign Off

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